As someone who went to three different public colleges and eventually earned a PhD, this is shocking to me. But, I saw signs of this when I was teaching at both undergrad and graduate levels. I even had pressure from department chairs to change grades because of pressure from husbands and parents of students. The explosion of private for-profit colleges and helicopter parenting also played a huge role. No wonder higher education has lost its value to many.
you kidding? cheating, lies, fraud and corruption has become the american way of life. capitalist society encourages and rewards the best cheaters and the most corrupt. i don't cheat. i don't lie. i embrace ethics and practice integrity in all aspects of my life. and i expose the world's cheaters whenever i find them. AND I'VE PAID THE PRICE! i live in poverty and absolute misery while the cheaters, profiteers, liars and corrupt conformists of the world flourish! go figure.
That and low wages for advanced degrees. I saw guys in my Architecture days with masters degrees from ivy league schools getting paid very little. Now there are a lot of options for people since the internet where maybe an advanced degree isn't worth it when an influencer is making 6 figures and more.
@@Pulse2AM Often times both. Several young RU-vidrs I follow, they are in or just out of university. I wonder have they paid off their degrees? They are probably making more as a RU-vidr putting out content twice a week than they would trying to find a job in a field related to the degree they took. You think was it a waste of time and money in the first place?
"Explosion of helicopter parenting?" Helicopter parenting encourages kids to _cheat?_ I am 62 and the only thing I have seen explode, is mostly non white humanity. If by that, you mean the explosion of the internet and media in general, allows more opportunity, you are probably being profound. I think you have issues with child-parent relations.
I mean...this is America. The system tells us that you succeed with hard word, but shows us that you succeed by lying cheating and stealing. If anything, they are preparing better for the workforce than I did but studying and trying my best, unless you count SparkNotes
I agree. I had a 4.0 in college back in '04-'05 and nobody cares. It means nothing when employers don't check credentials anyway. America is a scam and we are all just marks.
You mean the clown that supports the lying and cheating of the GQP is now morally outraged that students are cheating? Laughable ding a ling with ever changing morals… Hilarious. 😂
you kidding? cheating, lies, fraud and corruption has become the american way of life. capitalist society encourages and rewards the best cheaters and the most corrupt. i don't cheat. i don't lie. i embrace ethics and practice integrity in all aspects of my life. and i expose the world's cheaters whenever i find them. AND I'VE PAID THE PRICE! i live in poverty and absolute misery while the cheaters, profiteers, liars and corrupt conformists of the world flourish! go figure.
@@dumpd6227 C'mon man. Even if what you say is true, you can't naive. This has been going on before you and I were even born. Institutions have always been there.
People have always cheated. It just wasn't so socially acceptable before. Plenty of PhD dissertations are just cobbled- together quotes and passages and data. The only original thinking is to be like a librarian.
Get real. Students ARE customers. Tuition has reached a point where few have the resources to make it through 4 years without debt, and the values some degrees aren’t worth the paper they are printed on.
Correct. I teach in academia. They are. I didn't create this system but they are a paid customer now. I also taught at law schools; it is even worse there.
Look. As a former H.S. Teacher (I didn’t last long) I required my students to write papers in their own hand writing about their Summer vacation or over the Holiday break. This was a template of their overall skills. Additionally, weekly exams on the reading material also fostered a good synopsis of where the student was at on the subject matter. When I got a term paper that was way beyond these two threshold base readings, I knew "cheating" was involved. It was an easy call-out. Given the cost of a higher Education, I strongly recommend two year Technical Schools for their cost/benefit ratio in ascertaining a good paying job that one can at least live on without going into incredible debt!
No one's gonna bring up the fact that admissions departments are putting preference on applicants that can pay for college out of pocket? applicants that don't need financial aid? Sure, lets just ignore that bit.
If the GOP was a person, it would have the honesty of George Santos, the brains of Lauren Boebert, the compassion of Marjorie Traitor Greene, the morals of Matt Gaetz, the integrity of Lindsey Graham, the spine of Kevin McCarthy and the personality of tRump.
I worked at two of the largest companies on the planet in their respective fields, what I learned besides having qualifications for the job, is that your people skills take you further in your career than anything else.
Virtual learning is NOT the problem. This can open opportunities to students who may not be able to enroll otherwise. The problem lies in teachers reducing (or being forced to reduce) their roles to tutors, assignments that are little more than video game exercises, and examinations that do not focus on the fundamentals. Well said by the guest commentator that we should want the best teachers in the classroom, and therefore not a passive tutor that lazily let's students learn from themselves.
A lot of universities rely more on adjuncts who are paid ridiculously low wages and often have to work multiple jobs to make ends meet. They don't have time to police all their students, and probably aren't that motivated to do so. And students have been told that their degrees are paperwork to get a good job so it's no longer about the education they're supposed to be getting. The ends justify the means.
You wouldn't blame a teacher for turning a blind eye? As a former professor I find that horrifying.I both graduated from and taught at Ivy League schools and yes, the commercialization of higher ed has been building for years. There are many factors influencing this trend, including the Trump effect of normalizing lying. But that doesn't make it right, and professors and administrators who don't care are abdicating their responsibilities.
I literally had 1 college student tell me about 10 yrs ago that they used drugs like Ritalin to pass his college exams... literally memorizing everything on an ADD drug so that they can ace the tests. College campuses have become huge drug dispensaries for students or others... They'd also brainstorm together so that they could do their assignments quicker, but wouldn't individually comprehend the course material. And I'd wondered as a student why the grad students who were working as lab assistants seemed so clueless and unhelpful... and I knew why later... 😈
you kidding? cheating, lies, fraud and corruption has become the american way of life. capitalist society encourages and rewards the best cheaters and the most corrupt. i don't cheat. i don't lie. i embrace ethics and practice integrity in all aspects of my life. and i expose the world's cheaters whenever i find them. AND I'VE PAID THE PRICE! i live in poverty and absolute misery while the cheaters, profiteers, liars and corrupt conformists of the world flourish! go figure.
When I went to college in the early to mid 1990s the only drugs I took were caffeine and alcohol. I actually studied and worked, never working with another student unless it was a project where such was required or a cute girl was involved. This generation just doesn't want to work. When you've been raised to believe that you are a victim and can never succeed because [insert boogeyman here] will always hold you down, this is what happens.
@@scillyautomatic If you went to Trump University you didn't need to cheat. You didn't need to do anything, just pay and get your diploma. Which one? Anyone you wanted.
@@johnc3525 Dude. You don't even know your enemy. You people are the only ones who believe in quanon and not everyone who disagrees with you is a trump supporter. SMH GFU
When education becomes a for-profit business, which is the model of all higher education these days, the real product is not knowledge but certificates that open doors to other markets. We should not be surprised that “cheating” becomes mainstream; in this model, it’s not really cheating… it’s working the system. Chinese and Indian students are expected to cheat if needs be when their international money cannot buy them a free pass to that certificate…they must bring home the certificate. Domestic students are thereby left with a hard choice to organise similarly in the face of crippling lifetime debt of school loans. Downstream, we find that the corruption machine that is higher retail education has led to corruption internally (replacing true philosopher/scientist/educators with Machiavellian tenure-track weasels and a permanent underclass of temp-teachers), and in the industries they purportedly serve (corrupt, incompetent career gangsters). You killed public education, you’ve created a nation of amoral jackals and zombies… you reap what you sow.
Not to blame a specific community.. but cheating has been the rule for students of chinese heritage for a looooooooong time. They usually are not detected because of the langage. Even in my provincial university (less than 5k students), there was adverts written in continental chinese offering redaction of term pappers and even to take the exam in the place of students (the price was not stated).
This is happening in middle and high school, I see it everyday. My algebra students are scrambling to learn simple equations because they chose to use photomath; I knew I could not stop them, so I chose to warn them. This is how we end up with the Green's and Bobarts in congress
At the large state university where I teach, the vast majority of instruction is face-to-face. Maybe at Harvard they are slackers. Also, state universities are a lot more affordable. As for the cheating, yes it's rampant at places where it is easy to do it. But a contributing factor not mentioned is the dismantling of student accountability at K-12. Students there are learning that they can coast without consequences, and this includes disciplinary issues. Too many parents enable this trend. That's why teachers at that level are leaving the profession in droves. Once these students get to university, the much higher expectations come as a shock, they have not been taught that dishonesty or other bad behaviors have consequences. So they cheat if they can. But, it's actually not that hard to use assessment tools where it's essentially impossible to cheat.
@matthewwithee3422 To be honest, it hasn't been all that bad until the last couple of years. But clearly there was a seismic shift that occurred as a result of Covid-19; or, alternatively, this is the culmination of a long trend that crossed some sort of threshold where it became blatantly obvious the last year or two. The performance decline on comparable exams over identical material between this year and even three years ago is stark. We are face-to-face but attendance is way down. By the way, I live in a very large city in the United States, and my next door neighbor teaches at a fairly elite private university located just a couple of miles away from mine. And he has noticed the same thing. His school, without a doubt, has tougher admission standards, essentially Ivy League standards, and yet when we compare notes, we are seeing the same things. It's not cheating per se because as I said I use assessment tools where it's essentially impossible to cheat. But there is a certain disengagement that is really clear, a sort of apathy that I've never seen before. To me, this is the more concerning thing. My neighbor thinks that this may be students finding a new strategy to take care of their own mental health. Maybe. Now after they bomb an exam it's like they don't even care. They don't come to see me, they don't complain, it's like they are numb. Again, this is very different from even two or three years ago. By the way, I teach him a STEM discipline, and most of my students would like to end up in medical school or some other health profession, and it's a fairly upper-level class.
My son, a university professor, says with AI, he's now going to have to test students face to face. Programmes can detect AI produced content, but not always.
2023: "AI Programs Like ChatGPT cause chaos in the classrooms." 1953: "Advanced electronics including recording devices and mimeograph machines cause chaos in the classrooms." 53CE: "Reading and writing cause chaos in the classroom."
In the 1960's we had a cheating problem at the Hun School of Princeton. So, someone said: "They say if you cheat in high school, you will not understand the basic material and will do poorly in college." Then he went on to say: "But, don't worry....you can cheat in college too....."
When u put up the pennants fir your roundtable, how about pointing out how many hosts and contributors have GOP background. It always gets me how some refer to "MSDNC" with people like Joe, Diaz-Balart, Nicole Wallace, Steele, etc. on staff.
Part of the problem also is being able to agree upon what constitutes cheating. A lot of times, students have differing opinions on what constitutes cheating, and even faculty can't always agree on what is considered academic dishonesty and what is not. I guess it's good that I earned my degree fair and square.
Kids also want an easy path to getting their degree. Entitlement is a part of the problem too. I've seen it with two of my family members who went to an expensive boarding school then prestigious university. The thought of having to get a part-time job seemed like a foreign concept to them.
you kidding? cheating, lies, fraud and corruption has become the american way of life. capitalist society encourages and rewards the best cheaters and the most corrupt. i don't cheat. i don't lie. i embrace ethics and practice integrity in all aspects of my life. and i expose the world's cheaters whenever i find them. AND I'VE PAID THE PRICE! i live in poverty and absolute misery while the cheaters, profiteers, liars and corrupt conformists of the world flourish! go figure.
Overdependence and focus on "technology", which is not really technology, but an overcomplication in the educational process resulting in an impediment to learning, not an enhancement.
@@iangreer4585 Not true. Flunking a course just means you have to retake it or take a course that better suits your aptitude, schedule, etc. Losing a scholarship because you failed a course means you need to get a job. Weeding out the inattentive will actually help those who are engaged get more from their education. Too many community college and Cal State professors are having to coddle students through to the end of their courses. Fail them and they'll have to grow up (because living at home with mom and dad is doing nothing but infantilizing them). Nobody owes you a career. You have to earn it, just like the kids who work and manage to get to class.
When a university starts turning a blind eye on cheating, they automatically diminish the value of the degree they award. So the student can have a degree, but it is worth peanuts. And employers know what degree is earned and what degree is bought. Now, on the topic of using AI in exam, it is up to the faculty to adapt the exams to today reality, but I can see older faculty who have tremendous problems to adapt even to online teaching.
Unfortunately so true, and why i got out of academia. Whats the point of education when students just learn how to cheat? But the main problem is lazy teachers. The only solution is to go back to in class essay exams, which is not such a bad solution. At least you know they measure the students abilities. Stop assigning take home essays and projects.
I think there is no such thing as cheating and Universities are being demised a bit the core task of universities is transforming a regular person to an intellect!! A force of ideas must be imposed, let’s improve too!! Cheating is certainly a weakness of any student but universities are certainly in their aim to let it happen!! This is to be discussed in decent manners and definitely not on tv!!
The way I heard it put that I liked was this. "Students aren't the customer. Society is the customer. Students are the raw input. The output is skilled, educated participants in a democratic society." I do believe K-12 should become Pre K-16. The four years will be some of those humanities and liberal arts classes as well as things like more professionally relevant skills, or even trades. No reason electricians and machinists shouldn't be picking up strong backgrounds in the humanities and liberal arts as well. That kind of education is what innoculates a population against the kind of cyberwarfare Russia and China have been waging on social media.
This type of ethos (using education not to learn but merely as a stepping stone towards a high paying job) is quite prevalent in the millennials that are entering the workforce. SMH
there may be a need to have a lesson on how to use chat gpt to be the best possible outcome. If in day to day one uses chat gpt to figure out how to function and everybody uses it. . . then that's just a tool like a calculator.
Once, I just didn't get around to doing an essay, and came in on the morning it was due, headed to the student common and started chatting to the "top student", and got him to let me read his essay before he handed it in, and I photographed it on my phone without him noticing, ran to the computer suite and rewrote it in 1 hour, and got a higher grade than him.
Day after day…again and again…over and over multiple times a day.👈🏻 Your religion, MSLSD lied to you about Brian, Josh and Jacob. Don’t be upset you were lied to……just deny it like a good little 🐑
There actually was an insurrection on 1/6/21 that was clearly instigated by Donald Trump in an attempt to subvert the will of the American people that voted him out of the White House.
i think college students that never fail and always pass the plagiarism ai test thing... deserve 1 single mulligan for their student loan for 1 quarter if they failed out.. just one.. and reserve that for the best of them.. like you're trying hard get back up and try again loan protection..
WHAT are you complaining about?? You people want to wipe away any reference to truth, let alone objective truth. You prefer a world with no transcendent creator and yet you whine that people are cheating? SFU
Hahaha transcendent creator?? Why would I believe in a daddy in a cloud? "Prefer a world with no creator", no, I don't prefer, I just accept truth. Reality doesn't care about your preferences.🤡
@@johnc3525 ☝ Case in point. Thinks cheating is the norm. Actually believes Men can be Women if they just claim to be. Thinks morals are set by society and thinks that the 1930s Germans were not wrong. ☝
Cheating has always been the norm, as long as you pass that’s all that matters. It’s just better to get it over with and move on to the next thing. Plus students are utilizing tech and other methods. I don’t see the big deal 🤷🏽♂️
I'm very skeptical of this. How do we know that everyone is cheating? Cuz a couple kids confessed to it??? I don't know any professors that look the other way. That's a violation of the Honor Code. Where is the data, or is this just anecdotes?
Hey, you need to go to those privately owned colleges and universities to find out the truth, ok! The majority of students who commit cheating are Republicans. They love the mafia 45 and the GQP. They are also loyal to Republican administrations. 95% of executives, directors, and managers of small and big corporations are Republicans and they are experts of cheating and stealing. Luckily, the majority of Democratic billionaires are humane. They are willing to fight for Democracy in this country. Meanwhile, the GQP and its fascist regimes are full of fascist sickos and delusional cults. In fact, bad students become disgusting Republicans. They are all crazy for money and power!
