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During the interrogation scene, I noticed how Collin was the only one with a light shining on him and not on the other cherubs. I like how this implies that his moral compass will lead him to redemption.
I think it will be key that Collin overcomes his Stockholm syndrome as he seems to justify his treatment by trying to be helpful to everyone and seeing it as just something he has to do for others good I think if he’s able to realize his “friends” don’t really care about doing the right thing and only care about there vendetta he might be able to break through there attempts to gaslight him.
It would be epic and funny if Collin tells the other Cherubs including Deerie the F-Bomb, he finally sticks it to them that leads him back into Heaven.
I can almost see Collin's switch. The two teams of facing off again and Collin gets paired up with fellow whipping-boy Moxie, who has him cornered. Collin cowards and Moxie freezes, seeing himself hunched over, shaking and begging for mercy (possibly connected to Crimson). Moxie lets him go to fight one of the other cherubs, leaving Collin mystified. Assuming the battle is a big one, Collin could get knocked out and we know Cletus and Keenee would ditch him to save themselves, and Moxie would continue to pity the little lamb, suggesting they take him to get some medical attention. From there he would be more of less adopted by the group, offput at first but quickly coming to the realization that at least Moxie and Millie care for him. I think it would also be kind of cute if he developed something with Luna; not necessarily a full-blown romance, maybe just an requited crush or something, with her at least appreciating how sweet he is.
I can’t see all of this working in the story/show, but I can see Mox showing mercy and the M&M’s basically adopting him until he’s able to get back into heaven!
Cletus and Keenie ditching Colin and leaving him for dead in hell might just be the catalyst for Colin's character growth. Colin has put up with his "friends" mistreatment, largely because they are all he has. But if Cletus and Keenie betray him by abandoning him, maybe this will help Colin begin his own character journey.
I like this but prefer Collin just wanting to be friends with Loona because they both need good friends who help them grow a bit and maybe she'd even stop picking on Moxie.
I've seen some other people theorizing that Collin and Loona could be a potential romance, and I honestly think it could work (and be well executed!) I could totally see Collin being taken in by I.M.P, possibly after being left behind by the other CHERUBs, and they all just slowly warm up to each other and learn about each other's perspectives from opposite sides.
Same. Well I don’t think he’ll be getting redeemed unfortunately, it will be very satisfying to see him finally turn against them (though now my mind is wondering and imaging the irony of them taking his words to heart and becoming better people while Collin has pretty much given up on trying to be good)
Seeing how we're going to other rings.I would not be surprised in future episodes.Him snapping with tournamental like a fucking fallen or like something equivalent of a giant hailbourne monster.
@@drakobloodwing540I think if it ever comes to it he could become a Baphomet Edit: If he does snap it be in wrath ring probably letting out all of his anger
I'd say it's more like he has the self-awareness to ask if what he is doing is good. Instead of just assuming the answer is yes because he is the one doing it.
Now I'm just imagining them trying to help Desmond from Smiling Friends. Update: Now that I think about it, Collin would definitely be the one to get traumatized by Desmond's speech about how life doesn't matter because the sun will explode.
I'm the voice of Collin the Cherub on the series. Really cool to see a video essay done on my character! I'd like to think that someday he'll find redemption, perhaps even by saving one of the demons.
That's amazing! Keep doing you, bro (and keep giving us amazing cherub content while you're at it!) I actually find them to be the most interesting side characters on the whole show.
From what we've seen in Full Moon, it looks like Collin has very high chances of getting into Heaven especially that he sees what he and his friends are doing is wrong. Cletus and Keenie may be friends with Collin, but for some reason they don't listen to him or treat him well. So I think it's fair that Collin gets back into Heaven and Cletus and Keenie don't. Unless they listen to Collin, these two won't go back into Heaven. It's no wonder Collin is like a Heaven Counterpart to Moxxie.😊😇😬🐑
I love the detail that Loona menaces the Mox counterpart in a mech suit replicating Mox's abilities....and slowly but surely starts losing the fight. She underestimated Collin, and as such she underestimates Mox.
It seems like Collin is the only one of the Cherubs that still has their sanity. Because from what I noticed in the recent episode all Cletus and Keenie care about is getting revenge, And they use Collin as a punching bag and I wouldn't be surprised if sooner or later he'll be pushed to the breaking point snap and betray Cletus and Keenie. Like there would probably be a moment in the series where Cletus and Keenie go too far and Collin will take it upon himself to stop them.
Collin has a chance of getting back into Heaven. He already did the first two steps 1. Don't Steal 2. Be Selfless He needs to do the last one, Stick it to the Man! He needs to stick it to Cletus, Keenie, Deerie, and the agents. And Also he drops the F Bomb on them. It would be very interesting if IMP directly or indirectly gave Collin the push he needs. Hope we see more of his story arc.
Collin is an idealist, the member of C.H.E.R.U.B. that really and truly believes in the stated cause and genuinely wants to help others. He hasn't become jaded or cynical nor does he take a 'holier than thou' attitude. But because of his dedication and drive, the others drop all the mundane work onto him. Heaven, Earth, or Hell, Collin could do a lot of good if paired with the right folk. The problem is he's a doormat, a sheep that follows the herd even when it is clear it's a bad idea to. He's easily bullied and swayed into what the others want. I really do hope that in some point in the show he'll be able to break free and find others with similar ideals.
idk why but i have an idea in my head where Cletus and Keenie in an effort to escape the imps after another murder attempt just abandon Collin and leave him for dead, The imps take him hostage in a attempt to get him to tell them information he wouldn't talk, and after like a couple if hours Collin sees the amount of both wholesomeness from Moxxie and Millie and how depressed Blitz is from what happened in the most recent episode...and just with the utmost goodness in his heart explains how the cherubs are getting to hell and what is happening in heaven. It probally wont happen but theories must be made for a show such as this
I said this before on an Ayy Lmao short, but if Collin does get back, who's to say that it would be a complete fire of panic and confusion because of Sir Pentious's redemption changing the rules?
That's the joke, they are reverse IMP but really bad at their job and are doing it all for the wrong and selfish reasons. Besides Collin, who seems to actually be in it for actually helping people.
The parallels were always there, and obvious, but I think the implication beyond that (which I think you were alluding to) is that cherubs are to Heaven as imps are to Hell, like, in general.
Honestly I would love it if in the end only Collin gets welcomed back into Heaven for being genuinely good and not caving into violence and revenge. Like I can imagine Heaven reappearing and him being becokoned back and welcome with open arms in a beautiful and majestic moment… and just as Cletus and Keenie go to follow… they get blocked off and met with a “Yeah… no… it’s just him okay?”
I could honestly see Deerie getting kicked out as well, Cletus and Keenie are spiteful phonies, but Deerie takes the cake. Would be poetic if she ends up replacing Collin among CHERUBS trio unit.
I've always written Collin as a wholesome sweetheart, even when he was the fall guy who had both a sense of morality but a duty bound duty to Heaven and what it stands for, even in his worst of times. The only time he swears is in the most literal sense of any word which is unusual for me. He's used as a full guy, a frame and a plot device whenever I use him because of the person he is. Personally I wish nothing but the best for him, he clearly wants nothing to do with any of this and is the willing fall guy for a lot of things, more than he should be but I've seen people like him, I've been people like him and I know the struggle that it is to keep your faith in the face of adversity, not quite to this extent but I respect him all the more for it.
Thanks for giving Collin some much deserved acknowledgment. I agree that he should do more than just standing up to his friends for him but also wake up and see that their version of Heaven is actually flawed. Now I don’t know if that will actually get him back into Heaven but for him to have that realization is definitely key for his character to grow. I’m curious to see what they’ll do with him going forward. I just hope he doesn’t lose his innocence and eagerness to help others
He already put up a decent fight against Loona, a total berserker that destroyed DHORKS' squad effortlessly. I think that little sheep is more powerful than he looks, but like Charlie, he just doesn't have it in him to cause actual harm.
The newest episode seriously made me appreciate him as a character, I love him so much now, I seriously hope he gets back into heaven somehow, he deserves it!
I liked the cherubs because they are a our only Viewpoint of heaven’s people while in Hazbin hotel we get to see the VIP’s of heaven such as Adam, Sera, and Emily.
I love Collin. I want only the best for him. It's interesting that Heaven's moral system is the inverse of The Good Place's, and I'm so glad the video acknowledged it milliseconds after I had connected those dots myself!
Colin is actually a great example of an underappreciated type of evil: innaction. He knows what's right, but lets himself be shouted down and coerced into bad decisions. He doesn't like what he's doing, but he does it anyway, so he's damned by the decisions of others.
If I were writing anything I'd make it so Collin watches as his friends and DHORKS become more deranged and bloodthirsty and highlight his increasing neuroticism regarding his position. Meanwhile Stolas is kicked out of his position and it's given to Octavia, so at some point where the Cherub/DHORKS decide to step up their game and summon 'the owl demon' into a holding cell they get Octavia instead. Being the fall guy that he is, they leave Collin in charge of watching her because he couldn't possibly 'fuck it up' and they start talking. Because of Heavens weird direct morality Octavia would technically be more or less spotless and deserve to be in heaven rather than hell and it makes Collin self reflect, sparking whatever character development the creative team wants.
11:03 Collin is a sheep, not a goat! When I was volunteering at the zoo some kids mistook the sheep (who had been recently sheered at the time) for goats. So I guess people confuse them more than often then you think. lol 😂
Wet thenselves. Meanwhile, Lucifer is shocked to see cherubs in Hell and wants answers. Charlie is so sweet and concerned. Cletus and Keenie freak out and try to fight (which is pathetic) , while Collin just sits there and pleads for mercy or to just make it quick.
The Good Place literally CHANGED the way that I think about morality, so I was already thinking about it when you directly called out the difference between the Cherubs' mentality and The Good Place's!
He 100% deserves better. He's been treated like shit the whole time he was on screen. Idk why he just won't ditch Cletus and Keenie because he's just a doormat to him. Lots of people witnessed nice characters grow a backbone and stand up for themselves. Collin should do the same to that yellow sheep and baby. It would be satisfying to see him yell at them in the most swear-free way and as a bonus, beat the ever-living shit outta both of them earning his spot back to heaven while Cletus and Keenie have to continue to rot on Earth. I hope it does happen someday because he's the only one outta the 3 who doesn't want revenge or harm. He's pretty much the Double D from Ed Edd n Eddy of the group. Justice for Collin!
“I could probably bore you with a bunch of Bible lore that probably doesn’t matter to the show as much as some people would like it to” I hope this is a jab at Cartoon Universe because that would be so funny
I agree that Collin will need to do more to get into heaven, and he truly is the best of the three, but I also have... small hope that the other two, "Cletus, Keenie," will see the error of their ways when, and only when Collin snaps. P.s. I love the good place connections made here because it's true❤
I feel like Collin might betray the other cherubs and join the imp gang. It can open interesting dynamics with a cherub staying in hell. He can also have interesting dynamics with the other imps and maybe Loona as well.
Having perused the artwork of this fandom, I would like to introduce a route for him to take. Go full Fallen angel in pursuit of love, specifically Loona.
Never been a fan of the obligatory punching bag role in the team dynamic but Collin is interesting cuz he's not a wimp he just wants to do the right thing
I love Collin. I audibly gasped so hard when he got kicked out of that robe I hurt my throat. I want him and Moxxie to bond over being the respective buttmonkeys of their groups.
The problem is that -In a very twisted and fucked up way- Collin redeeming himself would likely see him stripped of his divinity and become an imp because in calling out heaven's hypocrisy, he would be turning his back against heaven and be damned.
Am I the only one seeing Collin being the only one NOT getting back into Heaven due to B.S. reasons, and handing Blitz his resume? That working the desk for I.M.P. in Hell is a *STEP UP* from where he was before getting kicked out of Heaven?
The idea that heaven only looks at actions without context is actually a really interesting idea that would make a lot of sense. Surprised I haven’t seen it suggested sooner.
The Cherubs are Heavens version of the Imps. The C.H.E.R.U.Bs are also an interesting contrast to I.M.P - with Collin being the Moxxie of the group. And where Blitzø and Millie are tough but still caring towards Moxxie, Cletus and Keenie pretend to care/be good, but just abuse Collin.
I feel like Cletus is kind of similar ground to Blitz, just we see more POV of Blitz to know he's a good guy deep down. They both do a lot of that interchanging between manipulative sweet talk/asshole behaviour but have moments that show they are looking out for the whole group just in a very flawed way. Cletus at the very least tried to bail Collin and Keenie out of Hell rather than just bolt out by himself, even when Loona came for them. Having a moment of protectiveness after a whole episode of asshole behaviour does seem very Blitz-like.
There's definitely a lot they could do with Collin as his story progresses. I'm sure they'll have him ultimately ditch his so-called friends at some point, but the question for him is what he'd do afterwards. And here are three scenarios I could see happening to Collin. 1. Get allowed back into Heaven. 2. Crossover into the Hazbin Hotel show and join it's cast as a way to earn his way back into Heaven again. 3. Join I.M.P. (As very unlikely as this scenario would be, imagine him befriending Moxxie, Millie or even Loona.) But what do you all think?
A keebler elf ad played in the middle of cherub dialogue while I was away from the screen... for a breif moment I was trying to recall where and why the cherubs were talking about fudge stripes.
here's hoping if Collin ever goes back to heaven, and only Collin, the other cherubs would beg on how exactly, and he just says nothing, has had enough, and flip the bird before disappearing to Heaven. It may be rude, but it's the right thing to do when dealing with terrible friends that treat you like trash.
Thematically, Helluva Boss is about the ones who will probably stay in Hell. (paralleling Hazbin) So I bet Collin will fall proper and get a cool arc. If heaven is that shit, maybe Hell will show more kindness. Heck, maybe Satan himself will Pump Him Up!
While I went Collin to be redeemed and go back to heaven, I don’t want him to go back to that toxic environment. Also, if he does come to his senses it’s possible he will fall like Lucifer and Vaggie.
"You're so nice. You're not good, you're not bad, you're just nice." This was all I could think of. XD But yeah, agreed. Hopefully Collin will get to at least heal a little! Xoxo
i know it probably wouldn't happen because it would require a cross over but it would be amazing to see Colin come across the Hazbin Hotel, or even just Charlie, and have an existential crisis where he just starts going off on the other two cherubs 😭
Something I've noticed between Hazbin and Helluva is that the actual question being asked here isn't actually "What does it take to get into Heaven?" Because for the most part, the various answers seem to have the basic gist of "Be a good person." The question, then, is what constitutes a good person? How can we determine what makes someone a "good person" and what makes them a "bad person"? Is it action versus intent? How do you weight those categories? Like, if you spend your entire life donating to charities and volunteering at soup kitchens, but you treat non-white people poorly because they're not white, are you a good person for all of the charity work, or are you a bad person for the racism? Does donating to a homeless shelter a few times cancel out you throwing your kid out of the house because they came out as gay or trans (or both)? And in the case of people like Lipton, does inventing or discovering something that ultimately proves beneficial to humanity make you a good person, despite the questionable (at best) ethics you used to accomplish that outcome? And on the flip side, does being a kind and compassionate person make you a good person even if you don't volunteer your time or donate your money? Is someone who more or less keeps to themselves but is always polite and respectful and considerate when dealing with others not a good person compared to someone who is active in the community but has a habit of treating people who are different from them poorly? Like, maybe it's not that deep, but it does feel to me like Hazbin and Helluva are exploring two sides of the same question. The kicker is that the nuance of the actual question seems to be getting lost or muddled in translation.
Finally, someone acknowledges the unsung scapegoat Broski needs that redemption arc at least show him working in the background of the hazbin hotel or just have them stand up to his shitty coworkers
