I'm on the side of the driver, and not because she's a cyclist. she chased down the car, fine. she scold the driver, fine. but then she decides the damage her vehicle. and then decides to impede traffic and then proceed to put her life in danger and jump onto the car because of her ego. the cyclist practically put herself in a position and then started shouting for "help"
You know that regardless of ANY situation (aside from self defense), you are never allowed or justified to drive into someone right? The cyclist can be insulting your mother, that doesn’t mean you can drive into her to push her away
@@sfqm1083 drive into someone? push her away? she hop on the car. she blocked the driver's way preventing her from driving away. regardless of any situation, you are also never allowed to damage someone else's property. any more excuses for the cyclist? watch the video again, even though the cyclist damage and hit her car, she still tried to deescalate the situation by just going on her merry way, but no, the cyclist couldn't let it go.
There was absolutely no wrong on the driver's end. There was no rash endangering of life. The cyclist chose to engage even though there was no issue, and placed herself in a place of danger even though she was told multiple times to get off. This incident shows exactly why cycling is incompatible to coexist with motorised traffic and should be banned from the roads
Invalid. Cyclists are increasingly in danger then you are driving. Basic things what people forget is, pre covid cycling was a mode of transport not a leisure. These days Sunday cyclists (like in vid) are normally drivers too. Might not want to take advantage of free parking. Nevertheless, they see faults better with drivers....
The driver made some bad decisions, but I honestly wouldn't put that much blame on her. Driving off with the cyclist on her bonnet was dangerous yes, but the cyclist didn't try to deescalate the confrontation at all. In the driver's defence, it was her flight response even if it wasn't the best decision at that time.
dude there was no driver defence towards the end, she drove her vehicle with a human being (granted an angry person clinging to her bonnet) knowingly. tats crossing a line.
All jokes aside, the cyclist was creating a dangerous situation to begin with by standing in front of a car in the middle of the street. They could have easily been rear-ended, endangering both of them. Driver tried to disengage by driving away, and the bicyclist threw herself on the hood of her car, endangering herself once more.
Just cuss the driver out for 5 seconds and go on with your life. This cyclist really idiotic. What you expect to happen when you confront the car driver? When she overtook you there were no real damages. Couldve ended there.
I tend to empathise more with drivers. SG do not have the level of infrastructure as yet to support a cycling culture. Cyclists especially the recreational ones are putting themselves at risk each time they feel like flouting traffic laws.
applies to all aspects of life, not just cyclists - laws are there to protect us, if you flout the rules then you face the consequences. in some cases, you may get hurt. if you want to stay safe, follow the rules. i have seen cyclists on expressway, beat red light, cycling against traffic, cutting across chevron marking - asking for trouble.
I really missed the good old days cycling in the parks and chilling at the jetty. I really pity the drivers nowadays who paid super premium amount of money (COE,road tax,petrol, maintainence etc) just to drive, and yet they have to deal with cyclists who, i think did not need to take the road theories right?
Road cycling has been around for over 100 years already, anyways paying premium amount of money is to own a car and is a personal issue. Roads are public infrastructure and everyone is entitled to use them. Cyclist in this case was erratic and deserve to be called out but are we going to conveniently forget that the vast majority of accidents on the roads involves cars...
@@SPIndustriesF23 wow if everyone is entitled to use them then everyone should pay taxes for them right? There's a reason why people don't walk in the middle of streets and use the sidewalk.
@@SPIndustriesF23 Because majority of the users are cars ? Its like saying most accident out at sea is boats. No shit sherlock. Also gotta love the public infrastructure angle, but when its road tax. Car and motorist only please.
pedestrians use the road too, shall we tax them too? 🤡 another clown using road tax as an excuse just because you cant think of an actual reason. people with your medieval thinking should be deported.
i'm not on the side of the cyclist, i think she's an idiot. but road tax is not calculated based on use of the roads. road tax is calculated based on a vehicle's engine capacity or power rating and hence linked to the amount of emissions produced by each vehicle type. our roads (and cycling paths) are built using general tax (including taxes paid by people who do not drive or cycle.)
@@SPIndustriesF23 clearly the bike is not just "crossing the road" and contributes to traffic congestion since they are so fucking slow and ride in the middle of the lane all the time. At least motorbikers know how to keep on the centreline and avoid cars.
sorry sushi I dunno why you feel compelled to do the 'both sides are wrong' politically correct thing leh. just call it fairly. cyclist could have let go, but she didn't want to. so bring her for a ride lor. the car wasn't speeding off or trying to throw her off or anything - it was moving damn slow. even if she let go, the car can easily stop. fact is that the cyclist was a crybully karen with entitlement issues, and was trying to vent her issues on someone who wanted to mind her own business. also in general, there are a lot of road cyclists with entitlement issues lah. dunno if a rich/privileged thing(? dunno, still trying to figure out a theory), but sometimes feels like there's a correlation between the damn hardcore ones that spend thousands to tens of thousands on bicycles and then act like they deserve to hold up traffic for everyone else. but it's a thing lah. they really expect people to wait for them. it's like they get a kick out of it or something. anw, cyclist was in the wrong. supposed to keep left and allow traffic to overtake them. section 29 highway code ' - Always ride on the left-hand edge of a roadway. Allow other traffic to overtake you safely. Keep a straight course and avoid sudden swerves.'
I get how the cyclist is in the wrong for making a fuss out of the situation. but the driver driving with the cyclist in the car could have ran over the cyclist if she didn’t hold on to the windshield properly, it’s a reckless act by the driver and thus she is in the wrong too
@@joemiljoe1771 Naw, take the law out of it. You really feel she's not justified to try and get away if the idiot refuses to let her leave? Touch your heart. Put another way, of course the law will charge both - it will do the politically correct thing, and also it has other considerations - it also needs to deter people in OTHER situations from driving off because there are going to be situations where the driver is actually an idiot or psycho who uses it as an excuse to kill/hurt the cyclist. But in this case? Don't mix up right and wrong with what the law does. Law has public policy considerations beyond the immediate case.
@@alui5362you’re on a slippery slope here. If everyone acted on simply their fight and flight instincts, there’d be unrest and conflict every single day. Now, I’m not saying that the cyclist wasn’t being a complete asshole. But, its like you’ve said - regardless of what Sneaky TRULY feels, he’s speaking to a mass audience. If he’s just going to tell all car drivers to run down cyclists (instead of keeping their cool) in situations like this, he’d just be fuelling the problem. At least by taking both stands, he’d help others rationalise the situation.
I don't really know who is in the wrong at the first turn, but a sorry or some follow-up elsewhere should settle it. What did the cyclist think she will get out of confronting the driver in the middle of the road? Call police on the scene or like instant cash compensation? Siding the driver 100% - very certain she was so stressed over a mistake she didn't even knew she did, and having to hold back traffic behind her over someone else's over-exaggeration and personal ego. She started driving off with the cyclist and by inertia it's best to keep driving, she did look like she drove as careful as she could and turned in to just get out of the way of the road.
I'm not sure that the driver took off like that because she wanted to get out of that situation, she did stop at a safer location nearby after all. Perhaps she wanted to settle this elsewhere without blocking the traffic behind her? Definitely still a dangerous and silly move after the cyclist decided to hop onto the bonnet, and she should've communicated it to the cyclist, but she seemed flustered and probably panicking in that situation.
Anyway, 1:34 if the cyclist wanted to go straight, she should have kept to the right of the dotted line of the filter lane, instead of to the left, appearing to be making a left turn.
yea it does look like she was turning left as well, her complain was that the driver overtook her on the bend, which looked like a safe and fine move from the camera
Whether the cyclist wanted to go straight or turn is immaterial. Even if the cyclist wanted to turn, the cyclist is already in the filter lane, no vehicles should overtake her in that one lane. You wouldn't do that to a motorcycle; you shouldn't do it to a bicycle. But, after which, the cyclist should have handled it better.
I think the issue is that, the cyclist may go straight at the cornering and the driver turn left and overtake her which might resulted in a collision. But to stop the vehicle while the road is for cars is such dumb, cycling beside the road is already a luxury.
I thought so too at first but upon 2nd viewing, the cyclist was already in the turning lane before the driver turned. Basically both were heading in the same direction.
cyclists on the roads should have the spatial awareness before making any turns or at a bend rather than expect motorists to watch out for them and their safety. its just entitled thinking on the part of cyclists.
The moment cyclists have to be registered and be liable for any erratic behavior, I’m sure many dumb or reckless behavior will be curbed. For now the cover of anonymity is an anti deterrent.
Nothing wrong to overtake. Even when we learn driving, instructors will say don't keep let the cyclist in front of you. Is dangerous, if got chance just overtake carefully and move on.
Im not too sure but I do remember when in Primary school, we went for some road safety excursion , if a cyclist were to want to continue straight instead, the cyclist should signal to let cars behind know. If not, people will think that the cyclist is gonna turn left. Not sure if this regulation still applies though...
Why are road cyclists always so entitled? Cars expected to slow down and tailgate behind her snail pace? Just look at the large gap formed within seconds between the car in front at 1:34.
Ngl I've seen the driver tailgating cyclists thing before, happens on less busy roads. The time I saw it, there were two cyclists side by side in the middle of the road, and a car was keeping a low speed following behind them. I see alr I oso shudder.
I think the 1.5m gap between cyclist and car is pretty much observed in this case, driver no wrong. There is no requirement for a car to GO TO ANOTHER LANE when "overtaking" a cyclist on a multi lane road. As long as you're 1.5m away from cyclist you can take over the bicycle. There is absolutely no rule about not over taking a cyclist on a bend or single lane or whatsoever.
@@user-ih6nv2go9h I agree about defensive driving but it is subjective to whichever instance to be defensive about. Drive gave more than 1.5m distance Driver overtook the cyclist way before filter lane. Driver wasn't accelerating or driving at a dangerous speed. Driver didn't make sudden cut offs or turns. In this case the drive wasn't careless. The driver overtook the cyclist safely while following the natural flow of driving cadence and maneuver. Natural flow is what I want to emphasize. Many times accidents are caused by drivers who are overly cautious and hence made overly safe maneuvers causing other drivers to be unable to anticipate the driver's reactions. Defensive yes, but in this case? I deem it as defensive enough already.
just searched it up and it says "Specifically, cyclists and PAB riders must: Obey all traffic signals and travel in the same direction as the flow of traffic. Wear a helmet when cycling on roads. Always ride as close as practicable to the far left edge of roads, and allow traffic to overtake you safely." so the car is allowed to overtake.
Not even surprise, cyclists thinks they own every pavements and roads in Singapore, every vehicles pedestrians and roaches need to give them idiots way
Also remember that roads in the 1920s belonged to both pedestrians, cyclists, and motorists Theres a heritage photo of Hill Street that showcases this. Essentially, roads belong to everyone, not just a car or a bicycle, BUT BOTH
Some cyclists just behave very inconsiderately. There was once 2 cyclists rode along a single lane road side by side, thus taking up the whole lane. I honked at them to tell to them to file up so I can overtake. They gave me middle finger.
if road has 2 or more lanes, cyclists can ride 2 abreast. overtake when its safe, dont need to honk. you deserved the middle finger according to your description.
As a cyclist I feel like it is ok to "mini" honk as to say "excuse me". I ring my bell too when I am behind pedestrians walking side by side, once they give, I will say "thank you" while bypass them. It is mutual respect I think. But if a driver hoonnnnnnnnnnnnkkkk, then it will probably scared the cyclist, or maybe being considered rude, never try to startle anyone and behave with manner in public places.
Driver is wrong for driving off with the cyclist on the car but maybe she was just wanting to find a place to pull over, not to interfere with traffic. Incident should had just been swept under the carpet imo
For me, it doesn't matter who's in the right when you're dead or severely injured. The driver was an idiot but the cyclist gambling with her own life to escalate the confrontation just made it worse. Nice pfp btw
If you watched the full video.. You will know that the car driver is late for her yoga class and she is going into that shopping mall carpark. Not finding a place to pull over hahahahaha
This is the perfect example of how a bully (the cyclist) who is used to bullying others by screaming and being aggressive gets a taste of their own medicine. Lesson to take away here: don't test someone else's limit, you might not like the repercussions.
By law, not allowed to overtake on a bend but most people just look the other way, as long it wasn't close. This women obviously not looking the other way. Ironically, blocking the road is also an offense.
I rode my bike to school for about a year so while i feel bad for the cyclist, shes not even supposed to be on the road so the starting point is that she's at fault.
When two Karens meet, on a serious note: the ultimate winner is still the government, fine for creating public nuisance (for the cyclist), and for the driver fined for reckless driving and suspension of license.
1. Cyclist didn't use hand signal to indicate she was going straight before the camcar overtook her at the bend. 2. Cyclist blocked the camcar in the middle of the road and obstructed other motorist which is already a traffic offense. 3. Cyclist then jumped on the car which is a dangerous stunt and obstructing the view of the driver. 4. She tried to act like she was a victim when she was the perpetrator. Lock her up.
Oh at first I thought the cyclist was going straight, but it turns out she was turning into the bend too. And looking at how much space the car gave on stopping to the car in front of her, she must be a very defensive driver.
If they (cyclists) want to use the road, it should be mandatory that they like get a class 2D(?) Licence or something and pay a small coe and road tax. The driver could have been in a rush and needed to be somewhere urgently before being confronted by an annoying cyclist for absolutely fucking nothing.
enforce coe and road tax may be a bit harsh for those lao ahpek who just wants to cycle 2 blocks down for a cup of coffee - so i think not feasible. but definitely agree+++ with mandatory license (with theory and practical component), mandatory registration and insurance as well, to protect both cyclist and driver (and also to hold them accountable since with the registration, they can be prosecuted). mandatory if you want to share the road with other road users. if you don't want then stick to pavement. so ridiculous! no knowledge of highway code still can share road with other road users? i have seen so many cyclist just beat red light or cycle against traffic flow which is just downright dangerous.
I m a cyclist ,too. From the video.Driver is polite to keep on its lane. Cyclist must be struggling n exhausted forgotten that vehicles are king of the road. She should slow down n patiently paddle thru busy street.Cyclist must give way to cars when they are cutting lane.why agitated with the driver ???..
as long as the driver keeps 1.5 m distance then it is legal. you can overtake a cyclist at a bend . i think that the driver was a bit too close for the cyclist's comfort but it was not super close.
The drivers in Singapore have this entitlement allure. They are completely ignorant of the traffic laws and when they are endangering someone's life. After doing all of that they are completely in a not my problem mood. What happened here is she took her over on the bent. However as soon as she took the cyclist over she has to break in order to make the turn. Imagine doing that to another car or any other vehicle. Resulting action for the cyclist is hard breaking in order not to hit the car. This is extremely dangerous and potentially life threatening. When the cyclist tried to explain the the driver what did she do wrong she was ENTITLED and DISMISSIVE. She didn't even want to engage in the conversation with the cyclist. Cyclist was very nice in the beginning even thought it didn't need to be in a situation where her LIFE was ENDANGERED by a reckless driver. Cyclist only became aggressive after the driver started ignoring her and dismissing her. What happened later by the driver running the cyclist over is completely LUDICROS and only SHOWs how AROGANT the drivers are in this country. I plead to all the drivers - please show some respect to the others around you. Just because you were able to fork out 100+k doesn't mean that you are entitled to kill a person on a road. Really think about this hard because the cyclists are not able to protect themselves from the cars and the 3 seconds that you will save are NOT worth killing someone.
Tbh, no harm was done in the first place, this is all the cyclist causing drama. No confrontation is worth it, just bring a body camera if you really think road justice is really worth it.
If the cyclist wanted go straight instead of turn left, she should have used hand signals and provided them early as well to show her intention... And then now...want to lecture other people about what is right or wrong? This is pure stupidity, because even if you are going straight, you should slow down and also watch for your own safety before passing that bend. Don't assume cars will give way to you. It takes just one person who in a split second didn't notice you for an accident to take place. At that point, no need to argue who wrong or right - you will suffer. Look now. You didnt even take the right course of action when someone did wrong against you. If you had just taken down the licence plate and report to police, this wouldn't have escalated in this manner. Before you confronted her, you had no damage done to you at all. You were perhaps threatened, but you could report the car with cctv footage for dangerous driving...and in the very first place, what could you have done with the driver besides confronting her, scolding her and then just give her a warning ? We need cyclist who can calm down and not turn out to be a hazard
LMAO!!... Absolutely mental! Both of them need therapy. Could have just swear at the driver and move on. Nothing would happen if the cyclist knew how to control the controllable.
If you see the video, the car in front of the cam car actually overtook the cyclist more dangerously & closer than the cam car. Nothing wrong with cam car’s overtaking. Cyclist is too f..king entitled. Road rage started by cyclist.
The stupid cyclist jumped on the car instead of just walking off when the driver was already trying to drive off so it already gave the cyclist ample of time to react and move away when she started driving off. Also, U have to also understand from the driver’s point of you. She is so stressed and her car is blocking THE ROAD and people behind are are honking. You have no idea how stressful it is when other cars are honking at u, as a driver I personally get super stressed and anxious. So, she can’t do anything else and her flight reaction was just to move off without blocking traffic flow and also try to get that crazy fucker off HER car. Why is no one talking about how it was wrong for the cyclist to even jump and touch her car in the first place??? That itself already shows whose in the wrong from the start. And, there was no issue from the beginning AT ALL. NOTHING. So, idk whoever is siding the cyclist and people saying the driver in the wrong. You put yourself in that situation and experience it raw, I see how you well and calmly you react. I did the driver did her best there and then.
I do not know much about the Singaporean law, but I think it is quite similar to Malaysian law where it is very high likely that the lorry driver will be charged for driving with that idiotic cyclist on her bonet regardless of what reason she give. However, I cannot fully blame the lorry driver as the cyclist was acting erratic and dangerous. I seen road users similar attitude to that cyclist like motorcyclists brake check people, then scold vulgar words at drivers, and use their helmets to break the windshield. Imo, if I am the lorry driver, I would had long pressed the acelerator on my car and rammed the cyclist for my own safety. I am not going to wait like some oblivious character in a horror film waiting to be slaughtered like a pig.
That cyclist needs to be banned from Singapore's roads. She's a menace to vehicle road users in Singapore. Hope she will be charged for causing a scene in traffic and damaging the lady's car.
I am both a motorist and cyclist. Based on the video, the cyclist had obviously over-reacted. The turning lane was wide enough for the car and bicycle, and it was perfectly fine and legal for her to make the turn, leaving ample space on the left for the cyclist. It was wrong for the driver to move the car when the cyclist was on the bonnet. But I would put more blame on the cyclist for this escalation.
It is 100% the cyclist’s fault. Putting aside whether the driver was right/wrong to overtake at a bend, it is a very very small matter. There was no collision. No one got hurt. Yet the cyclist chose to escalate the matter. Even after repeated apologies from the driver. If everyone chases down & harasses any road users over small infractions (perceived or otherwise), the traffic would be at a standstill. The driver is wrong for driving off with the cyclist on her car. Though the cyclist was clearly the aggressor, the driver’s reaction constitutes reckless driving. That’s why they were both arrested. Had the driver stayed calm and not reacted, I am sure she wouldn’t have been arrested.
