It actually feels like jae is turning over a new leaf now and rethinking all his mistakes and how he responded to them. It probably has to do with a comment he said (in the zach sang inteview) that it felt like he was mentally stuck in his trainee/debut age and that he is just now maturing and catching up.
I think he just didn’t know how to talk like a celebrity. He simply just talks like a regular person, you know, we use sarcasm, we joke around, have some dark humour even. Even though I think what Jae said weren’t even that bad (outside of the Jaimie incident) he should’ve been so much more careful. It obviously didn’t seem like he was media trained, but now when he’s on twitch he’s way more careful now and a lot more mellow.
@@Puguita-0cto I completely agree and also saw that as one of his biggest problems. It's not a matter of him not being allowed to speak his mind, but his inability to articulate his thoughts to his desired audience. He has thoughts that other artists were able to say without the same backlash (a lot of his similar thoughts around the industry, lost members, dark/sexual humor are said by people like Bangchan, BM, Keeho, etcetera) because they know how to relate their regular-person experiences in the way a public figure should express them! Im glad he's mellowed out and I also do think it helps that he's with more people who are guiding him to better public behaviors. I do wish him the best
Although I completely understand why some people don't like Jae and I believe those feelings are justified, I also think… hating(?) on him so much is useless. He's apologized or showed remorse for almost if not everything he's done and he's a good person in a lot of other ways. Bringing up his past actions in completely unrelated situations really feels like it doesn't serve a purpose. Like beating a dead horse. The only controversial thing he's doing right now is talking about Day6 and I don't think that's “bad” I think that he has a right to do so and you have a right to dislike it, but I don't think it justifies hating on him. I think people also need to realize that Jae was genuinely mentally unstable at the times he made a lot of his actual mistakes and hurt by the industry. While this does not absolve him of it, I do think the fact that he's in a better mental state now and no longer displaying those behaviours says something. Also side note addressing some of the things in this vid: I personally don't think the sugar daddy thing is offensive (or its offensiveness is subjective in the way he pointed out) and the further apology for the ableism came with a live stream that was much more through on the topic (not that that excuses the dismissive attitude or anything, but he did seem to eventually take it more seriously). I do think that Jae had a sort of "everyone just wants to start a hate train against me" attitude, (probably not helped, or even caused, by his mental illness and frequent use of the internet or the sort of "is this actually a problem?" controversies like the sugar daddy one) that he really sort of hung onto even when he genuinely did seem to feel bad about the actions themselves. I think that why a lot of people were frustrated with him, too; he seemed still on the defensive and it kinda felt like excuses or a "you can't be mad" attitude. I think that why what happened with Jamie hit him so hard, it wasn't just faceless fans on the internet. He's really shed that entire demeanor since he left the industry and his health improved, I think people don't really realize that.
this is well said. i also take issue with people saying the interview came at suspect timing- if anything, those feelings should be pointed towards zach sang instead of jae, since that interview was filmed in advance
I'd like to add that he's only talked about Day6 once in the past 2 years after he has left a group. There was even a viral post from one interviewer in ID who talked sht about him bc his conditions on interviews were not to mention day6, and call him Jae. So I think finally talking about day6 again should be fine, especially since he has not said anything negative about the members and the group and is in a much better headspace.
i will be honest. aside from the jamie thing none of this really feels like a big deal to me. even when these things were happening i felt like the reactions were way out of proportion. if he were any other kind of celebrity no one would even care but because he was an idol every word out of his mouth was criticized.
the jamie thing really is just the one big problem. the other ones are just some normal western twitch streamer thing. but kpop fans don't to know the truth that for the most part idol industry is not "Authentic" like he said so they're mad at him saying he is badmouthing kpop industry and his former band and the fans. like how did they come up with that conclusion when it's so obvious kpop industry isn't authentic. there have been so many cases of idols being a creep or worst yet they still can't accept that some of the idols aren't angels. As for the Jamie thing. it sucks because he apologized to her already, to her mom and everyone closely related to her. she forgave him and even explained that she knew that Jae didn't mean to be a mean person and that he is not that kind of a person. yet people can't forgive him and they keep bringing it back as if that's helping Jamie. they keep trying to gaslight Jamie into thinking she shouldn't have forgave him lol. most kpop fans are just insane in general.
So, here's the thing, even if I'm not a solo fan of his, I can kinda see why people are attracted to him because he's just that much more human because of his flaws. The crucial thing is, he owns up to his mistakes and learns from them. I don't think his image is tarnished *as* people make it out to be because the fact he could go back to Korea and host a mini concert and a fanmeeting (apparently with a massive crowd outside his venue) is kinda wild considering most members who leave a group on their accord would be cancelled like mad. There's really two groups of people who heavily dislike him, MyDays who feel 'betrayed' and general kpop fans hung up on the several incidents. Imo the hate in the latter is definitely way more pronounced because a lot of the perception towards him is stuck in the twitch era when actually overtime he has grown to become a more conscientious person. I am a MyDay and we skirt around the topic but there are indeed factions grouped according to personal feelings towards him. Most just dislike the fact that he seems to pick and choose when day6 is allowed to be included in interview conversations (there was a time where interviewers weren't allowed to raise these topics) and because of the group's recent success, a few (I do mean just a few but very loud fans) speculate so much that it was a calculated move that he's now comfortable speaking about his past. My perspective tends to be more nuanced, time has passed and he's had time to digest his departure so he's detached enough he can comment on those experiences in a more grounded manner. Was the timing coincidental? Maybe. But I do think he was comfortable enough speaking on a sensitive topic with a interviewer he felt was more trusthworthy. Idk, imo he was simply someone who was accessible digitally and thus, it became easy for anyone to actively hate on him. Other problematic idols could lay low and ride out the wave, but because his social media presence is strong, people will never rest. Also, as much as he has lost favour among general kpop fans, he seems to building quite a fanbase for himself as a soloist. I'm speaking this from the perspective that my friend who is a 88 rising fan knows him simply as eaJ. So even if he can never return to kpop, his music career seems to be growing quite organically. He's not viral but he does have a decent listening audience from what I can feel online.
Totally!! And I don't know how the korean mydays feel in general but I do know in all the Day6 songs I still read comments from k-mydays saying how they miss him and love his voice so imo that speaks volumes!
He is now an American artist not a Korean artist so please leave him alone. His songs are so incredible and different from Day6.he’s got his own style of music and fanbase . He’s getting more shows and opening on more of American music groups like Imagine Dragons. I am one of his fans just love his music Keep your opinion to yourself
@@lemeun9380 Yes and read too bc he is promoting his EP that will release soon or released? and he's about to open the west-coast leg of the Imagine Dragons tour
the comment about spending his twenties kinda got me too... the feeling of something you spent years putting your heart and soul into now just feeling like it's getting erased must be awful :(
Tbh I feel like some of these controversies are blown out of proportion. He's not perfect and I feel like people expected him to be. He's allowed to be critical of the idol industry based on his own personal experience. It's not a well hidden secret that the industry is toxic and highly controlling. It didn't come off as dissing his band mates. The only big controversey that I think he was rightfully criticized for what he said to Jamie. Jae, his humour, and beautiful vocals were a big part of Day6, but I really hope the best for him with his solo career.
well, the "we are not that authentic" comment did come across to me as dissing(?) them or disrespectful to the band to be honest. I don't know how he meant it. I remember thinking "Not authentic in what sense?" "What do you not sing yourselves or are posing in the rock genre or something?" And I do remember people questioning the same thing like "how much more "authentic" your rock and sound could be?".Or like in the sense that "they actually hated each other?"(which seems like they didn't, still seems tho). It was off-putting at best and discrediting/disrespectful to them at worst since the comment was directed like a compliment towards Day6 and how he responded was a rebuttal, felt like a grudge towards D6 and not necessarily towards who he actually was mad at.
Yes, I agree with you... Jae has never done drugs or done any criminal acts. He is very straightforward & outspoken, very brave to be honest that he is human like the rest of us. He can make mistakes, he has emotions & can feel hurt too as human being.
@@wherethesunsets Hi! I just wanted to respond rq. Realistically, the KPOP industry is so cookie cutter, iykwim? Chances are, genuine music artists might want to explore would never truly make it in the KPOP industry, which is why it might not be as “authentic” as Jae thought it should be. Of course, DAY6 has made some wonderful music but the KPOP industry will never be a genuine industry. It’s entertainment, catered to please fanatics to win over their hearts and most importantly - their money. He certainly could have worded it better so that it didn’t feel like a jab to DAY6, and again, he restates that he was immature and angry at the time, but I think I understand what he meant.
@@melodysong9453 Oh for sure bestie, there is no denying (even here in the west) that labels can and/or are cookie cutter more so over there, like just look at how those concepts for each group are created to the T. Yeah, I eventually guessed even tho Day6 is pretty heavily involved with the music because they are a band and even when they have commented, YoungK especially, about their involvement in the music and creative process that maybe he wanted another approach or explore more with the Day6 sound/image in general. Because although yeah they wrote a lot and composed even, what goes on a final album and the other aspects of a kpop comeback/release do involve loads of other people, departments and a hierarchy of decision-making (this last one is a very sturdy one, considering cultural contexts) that eventually can limit their creative route, and that THAT was his anger towards "Day6". Not at them obvs. And besides his anger at the management. Also maybe at the possibility of what more they could be without those limitations even. Still for me- and I saw that I was not the only one at the time - that kinda saw his comment first-hand in the sense of like a jab at his own band, it sparked a protective feeling over the others. And yeah for sure I agree that he could have worded himself a LOT better, not only on that comment but in a lot of those controversies was also a lack of knowing how to express himself and his anger outlet as well. I also believe that's why a lot of mydays (myself to some extent too) felt hurt because of how mean he worded himself in many of those instances. Like this saying in Spanish that translates to "It's not that you call me a b*tch, is the b*tchy way you said it". Also even when he was known to be sarcastic he constantly cleaned the air afterwards, but then and there he did not, it was very puzzling for the fandom at the time.
Jae was not built to handle unique SKorean Celebrity culture esp the type for Idols, he wanted his 20s to be able to be a musician not a celebrity...not a celebrity dealing with the intensity of k-fans & k-public...he was raised as an American & gravitated to a more Bro-culture way of interacting publically & that meant controversy for Koreans who don't understand and cannot forgive...if jae carves out success as eaJ internationally the Day6 fans will re-embrace him...until then just live successfully by making music!
Exactly. I feel like he's done quite well for himself. People do really underestimate the success of rebranding because there's an entire group of his fans which he gained organically that don't even know Day6. I joked with a few MyDays that Chappell Roan tends to remind me of Jae. Once he has established himself well enough, I think that's when people will start opening up to the idea of his return whether or not he chooses to.
Yeah, I remember him saying they're molding idols into a shape like a cookie dough, but he already came as baked cookie and it felt like they were breaking off pieces of him. Either way, I can't come back to Day6 and their new songs because I can't handle the tought they're 4 now. I know it's not fair, but that's how I feel now. I miss his voice, he was my favorite member because of the voice, so I'll just follow him for now.
There are things he said that shouldn't be excused, however I can't help but feel bad for him. I've been following Day6 since 2017 and I've often felt that people treated him more like a comic relief than an actual artist (the way people engage with english speaking idols in general is a whole entire can of worms that should absolutely be opened and discussed tbh). Quite franky, I might not have been able to handle some of the situations better than he did and I can understand why someone in his position would be frustrated. I've seen takes that other idols also struggle with mental health and don't act the way he did - which I also find harmful, because you can't dump everyone who strugglees in one bag and expect them to have the same experience. Jae doesn't strike me as a bad person, just one that was unable to handle his plate at the time. I genuinely hope he's managed to heal and will do better in the future.
yeah. ive noticed that people take english speaking idols very unseriously. besides from being translators, they are typically just comic relief. their talents are looked over and people feel more comfortable making fun of them
honestly? i don’t get why people still hate jae. yeah, he had controversy because of one (1) thing he said, and jamie has already forgiven him. the victim is fine, why aren’t you? feels like a forced reason to hate. they’ll talk about how he hurt jamie just as a gotcha moment, not because they actually care about jamie (evident because they’ve never, ever mentioned her once on their profiles aside from that incident or streamed her music) jae’s an amazing artist now, i absolutely love his music. personally for me, he was the reason i was into day6. his voice was my favourite to listen to. it just feels .. slightly empty without him (not to hate on the other 4, i love them and the music they’re putting out still)
honestly. like just think about jamie too. like you'd be pissed too if you were Jamie and you kept seeing people bringing it back when you as the victim have moved on and using your past drama as an attack to someone. kpop fans are just stupid in general.
@@gragalakaisel1477 right? like seeing that issue resurface every month when i’ve already moved on / trying to move on from it would be so exhausting and frustrating. and their only two responses are “jae called jamie that” and “jae hates day6”
I'll never forget how people made fun of how his hair looked greasy during the twitch stream where he apologised, he was so obviously not doing well mentally and not taking care of himself
there was also that streamer that claimed to be a friend of jamie, ridiculing jae (a little bit deserving, but not their place to do so, theyre not even a fan). turns out that streamer is now also problematic on the vtuber scene, calling just abt anyone their friend and trying to raise their rep by minimizing harrassment.
It’s not fair for people to say he shouldn’t talk about Day6 and should move on. He was a part of the group for years and it’s not a part of his life he can just erase. He wrote majority of their songs and promoted more than the company at times, and was like a brother to the other members. He made a life and a legacy that can’t be and shouldn’t be forgotten
I didn’t realize his “reputation is ruined.” I think he’s just too frank and American for the very proper (?) Koreans. Just about anything will cause a scandal over there. I guess a lot of Western World Gen Z are quite sensitive and politically correct as well. He should probably focus his efforts on less sensitive target audiences.
yeah that's it. like his reputation aren't exactly ruined. it's just for most koreans and actual twitter braindead people that like cancel culture and sht. any sane person will find his mistakes forgivable and just move on. but some of the hate is literally just for the sake of hating. like he's saying the kpop industry isn't all that authentic and people lost their minds as if that wasn't so obvious. but then again that's like 90% of kpop fans. thinking their idols are these angels that's so perfect. but outside of kpop Jae still has a very good reputation.
As someone who is neurodivergent and doesn't always pick up on sarcasm, I don't at all think he was being ableist (only speaking for myself). Ya I get his response was a bit snarky, but he for sure didn't have any ableist intent. Sarcasm isn't inherently ableist. While I get why neurodivergent people don't appreciate when people use sarcasm, I think we should understand that just because not catching social cues is a common trait for us, we can't blame anyone who doesn't have those traits- or is neurotypical- for simply not knowing about that part of ADHD or autism when they use sarcasm casually. I also feel like Jae's failure to pick up on how his sarcasm came across (as rude and snarky), actually does highlight his own neurodivergent trait as coming off as blunt or "rude" when that wasn't his intention.
YESSS thank youuu, I can come off so blunt and ride when I'm just being kinda snarky and trying to get my point across! I'm either that or wayyyy overly nice but then people don't listen to you, you know? I am ADHD, so (',',':
Jae’s done so much thinking, you can visibly tell. I feel like he’s matured so much and I’m genuinely so proud of him. He should be criticized for his mistakes but he shouldn’t be hated for aspects of situations that were out of his control. Also, fundamentally, he points this out as well but cultural differences are a huge factor because what’s accepted in Korea is vastly different from what’s accepted in the US. It’s clear that what he said to Jamie should not have been said whatsoever, but some other issues are just a difference in how you view it, to be honest. In addition, I’ve always felt that his mental health and view of himself was so relevant to his actions, if that makes sense.
Kinda random and unrelated but the sugar daddy incident was soo funny and I actually giggled when it first became a problem. Thats smth I would totally do and made him feel real and relatable.
Isnt it because of cultural difference ? Sexual joke in a mouth of an idol doesnt look good and since he work in korea..idk. they wouldnt survive in my country 😂
I think the only issue I had with him was when he called Jamie that, but I pretty much agree with everything else that he said BESIDES that. The Jamie comment was definitely really strange to say about someone who is supposed to be a friend and I'm glad he apologized to her. I'm ngl the Twitch gamer edginess was a bit annoying back then but not worth harassing him constantly over, and he definitely has matured since then and you can tell that he has, so I think people should show a little more grace to him now.
This was actually a very interesting topic that isn't really talked about, I knew some things but now I have much more context. You were very through, considerate, but direct where needed, thank you for such a good video
so many of these are deeply unserious and people just getting mad at him being a little dramatic and candid instead of some poster child of perfect media training. if I was on a game livestream being badgered about another group, I'd probably lash out too. I'm glad he's learning but I really don't find any of his mistakes unforgiveable at all especially considering the scope of how horrendously some idols with careers have behaved even recently.
they're just salty that an Idol is streaming on twitch and that made them feel like he's closer and can be interact with. but they keep asking about someone he has no idea of and he shut them up so they got mad lol. like you're not gonna be in like moistcritikal's stream or kai cenat's stream and keep asking for mr beast like that's just so stupid
I loved Jae madly at one point, but his destruction of character was so sad to see all i could do was simply focus on the rest of the boys struggling to keep the band afloat. Glad to see he's doing okay tho
Either way regardless, how Jae responded seems to be a better call (also a bit more mature than his youthful days) as I would also feel genuinely hurt if they purposely left me out of something I love so dearly He's genuinely hurt and will need time to go thru these feelings in whatever ways he can so why not just let him grieve and heal slowly
6:49 tbf if keeho from p1won said this, I assume this would've been taken in a more lighthearted and funny way (as at the current moment even tho there no audio attached to this clip, I assume the tone was more light hearted) That's all lol
Ngl I thought keeho actually said this and I went back to the timestamp😭 but yeah and I feel like keeho’s fanbase is used to his jokes and sarcasm and maybe Jae’s fanbase don't understand it ig.
@@HayleeCoded In my opinion it wasnt always that way I swear . There was a time where the fandom was very chill he would roast his own member freely, the fandom wasnt always like this... things on twitter weren't taken that seriously. But Something shifted around 2020, ever since he went solo something shifted
oh keeho would definitely say this hahahahaha although, i do think jae didnt get the haha keeho treatment because his "beef" with jype was a lot more aggressive that time and making a comment like that about a group in the same company seems less jokey to many
@@shaynadonovan7684i guess the shift was the amount of outsiders cuz of the demon album and the pandemic. we were chill, and the hate felt so forced, until he left.
thanks for this video i was wondering what happened with jae cuz all i knew was that he left the group! you covered the topic rly well and ur voice is lovely!
I only knew about what happened to Jamie and that he was really edgy in his twitch channel. His situation is really sad and it shows us the dark side of Kpop. Idols hurt a lot and yet companies always prioritizes their good image just for money. I’m glad Day6 is doing well and he is focusing on his music.
Looking back at Jae in in retrospect, I do think he was really just an artist who went to the wrong industry. He was an independent creator who could not handle being under a company. A lot of his issues stem from the fact that he finds being "manufactured" as a bad thing, when in reality it's just the path other people would like to take (having less creative control, trusting other people with the art you represent, etc.). He had to work and live with that for years, and now that he's out of it... the "ruined image" is a lot like a wasted image of what he could've been. He could have been eaJ but he needed to grow out of being an artist under StudioJ/JYPE, blaming his lack of control and agency (artistic direction and persona-building) to his past.
Ig this may also be why I didn't end up listening to any ot4 day6 content, idk if it's cuz of the controversies, of the boredom or if it's cuz of the hurt but I'll make more of an effort to stay tune to ot4 day6 + Jae's solo work as the best has yet to come for both 💞💞💞
An Aspect might also be the ADHD he mentioned he has? One of the many Symptoms in which ADHD expresses itself is saying more or less whatever comes to Mind or even just talking a lot. And because you don't really think about what you say, it can land you in very tricky Situations. I have it myself and have had such Experiences as well. It's just less problematic for me because I'll just offend the one or two People I'm speaking to while Jae is sitting on the "Präsentierteller", the Presentation Plate, as we say in Germany, and will offend Tenthousands if he isn't careful which is probably very difficult for him, through he seems to understand now how important the whole Business is and thus tries to pay more Attention. And Anger Management isn't exactly someone with ADHD's strong Suit either, in most Cases, which probably was a Factor in his Non-Apologies too.
@@archivesunset4214 I'm not saying that he's not accountable for his Actions, you'd know that if you had properly read my Comment as I literally say that he seems to have relised how important him being able to control what he says is and appears to be doing better, clearly indicating him being to some Degree able to control himself. I'm just saying that if you have ADHD, and this is both medically so as well as in my own Experience, controlling how much you say and what is more difficult, as one of the Main Symptoms of ADHD is Impulsiveness. Not saying that's impossible just harder. I say it's an Aspect, one of many that might or might not play into this.
@@archivesunset4214 Excuse me, I might not have caught it (you know, because of the ATTENTION-DEFICIT-Hyperactivity-Disorder) but where in the Video was he once mentioned to have been racist? I'd seriously like to know. If it wasn't mentioned in the Video you couldn't blame me either Way (besides, I looked it up and couldn't find anything about it aside from one single Reddit Comment briefly mentioning it) - I honestly don't really care about him at all, I didn't like Day6's Music either, so yeah. Just randomly stumbled accross the Video and put out one of my Thoughts on the Role a Condition he seemingly has could have had on the whole Ordeal based off what is known scientifically about it and my Experiences with it as someone who also has it. It's not that deep.
Very insightful video! When I listen to eaJ’s music my first thought was he makes music that reflects self-hatred and loathing. I think he reflected on his past a lot and is striving to do better. I can relate to having a painful past. I hope the past becomes lessons learned instead of an unmovable block of ice in his chest.
absolutely the right mindset to have! you can personally not vibe somebody but at least appreciate that they are trying to learn from their past behaviours, and I hope that is what he's doing.
This kinda gave me 3rd gen Kpop nostalgia. I haven't followed Day6 or Jae in the last 5 years, so when I watched that Short from the Zach Sang Show (subscribed since his first BTS interview, lol) I was like "oh no, what happened??". So yeah, thanks for explaining 😊
I would like to say that I understand why he's hurt about "Fourever" but I also really really don't. He left, years ago mind you, and the rest of the members *needed* to rebrand. This is business, something that he'd already experienced in the group. They're called Day6 bc there were 6 of them and like 6 months into their debut Junhyeok violated the terms of his contract and was removed from the group. Boom! Now they're only 5 and they have to rebrand as 5 while still being called Day6 and having everyone ask them "why day6? There's only 5 of you". Granted his decision to leave was way more public so less people needed to ask BUT it's still been years since he left and years more since the last time the band released music all together. They needed to rebrand to ease the transition from 5 to 4 for the general public. And also he's not apart of the band anymore. They didn't scrub his writing credits, the music videos with him, the bts videos with him, or rerecord their songs (like they did with Congratulations after Junhyeok left). He's not a part of the band anymore so they're not promoting him anymore. It's as simple as that. This is part of the business. "Fourever" is a very clear and succinct way to signal to the general public that they are 4 now and "no we won't be talking about it because we actually can't". Jae moved on, Day6 moved on, can eaJ now move on too? And while I don't think this interview was intentionally released right as Day6 are in their current prime - these things are prerecorded and released on a schedule - it was bad timing. X was full of so many eaJ stans saying how hurtful that title was and how angry they were at Day6. So that's what filled up the tag when you searched for day6, drowning out their accomplishments. He's allowed to feel hurt, yes he is. But he should know that the rebranding is just business. The guys can't have his ghost hanging off of every new thing they do if they want to move forward. They aren't erasing him, they're moving on. It feels like a guy seeing his ex-girlfriend start dating again and be hit with the "but we were so happy together 🥺 how can she just date someone else??" feels even though he's been dating around for a while now! Sorry. I'm just tired of this.
he's commenting on it because it's his story. A story that he shares with the other band members. It's something he was a part of for a decade and provides context for the place he is at right now. It's easy for you to say "move on!" because you're not him and you will never know how it feels to truly be in his shoes. It may just be business, but to him it was also something super personal that he dedicated years of his life towards. Seeing as he's the actual person involved in this whole ordeal, its so rude of you to discount his own feelings about it.
@@Liv652wig for context ( i don't believe you either watched the full zach sang interview or maybe just wached some clips) he first hesitated but then said that he felt hurt by it, which is completely normal and anyone in position would. It probably felt like he dedicated his whole life for day6 at one point. After he said he felt hurt by it he said that he knows and understands the reasons for the name now and that he know they needed closure and a new start.
The Jamie incident was the tipping point for me. As someone who was there for most of jae's streams, you could really tell that he wasn't doing well. After the apology livestream, even though I understood his situation I stopped following him on all social media and haven't checked on him until a couple of months ago. I'm really glad to see that he's in a better state now and that he fully realized the gravity of his mistake. I feel like the situation w day6 is still complicated. When he was in the band, it almost felt like jype wouldn't take him seriously as an artist. Even when they were in hiatus and even of day released their first album, Jae revealed in stream that no one in jype told him anything, and that he was confused. The fourever album is a new chapter in the band's history, and ofc it hurts him seeing the band move on !! He spent like more than a decade in that company. Talking only about the 'public' side of things (don't want to assume about their personal life) it's also v reasonable that the company has tried to insist on day6 being only four members and that the boys don't talk about him (remember they are idols!!) When day6's name was brought up, Jae's controversies and him leaving the group were at the center of the conversation instead of their music. They've made a lot of effort to finally get the spotlight they deserve as four!! (go listen to band aid it's amazing) So because it's such a difficult situation i wouldn't criticize anyone for not doing their best Also there's the huge difference of Jae not being and idol anymore, in the interview w zach sang he's talking in a way he prob wouldn't have if he was still under a contract. To finally close this comment (lol) imo the success that DAY6's been having recently is a step in moving on from the past controversies that kinda created a 'stigma' (if u can even call it that) w the gp. And from what I have seen Jae's been busy w his music career too :) edit: +wanted to thank you for making such a clear video on the topic, it's v refreshing to see this on kpopyt
Honestly I don’t get why people angry at him for standing up for his boss JYP is the boss of the entertainment but he doesn’t control everything … he is the CEO he just gets commission of money his company makes but he is not aware of every single thing his company does . Why do you think you know more about JYP than people who worked for him ? 8it reminded me the recent controversy people hating on newjeans for siding with MHJ . She worked with her . She knows more than you . We don’t know artists as person and we don’t their boss . And when people speak up for their boss they get shamed ? They know more than we do And they worked for them why do act like know it alls Many artists who worked for JYP has a good relationship with him . Consider he is a singer and dancer , he is still putting out music in his 50s and he is passionate about performing , he understands artists struggle more than most CEOs becuase he went through this struggles himself , being rejected by SM due to being conventionally unattractive.and he put lots of effort to his work and never gave up performing when he has more money to retire right now and don’t have to work a day for his life yet he still sings live and of courses his artists gonna respect him because you will feel bad not work hard when you see your boss out their grinding Let idols speak for themselves , if idols stand up against their company we should support them , if Idols speak for their company and managers we should support them as well
Although a lot of the things are correct in this video, there’s a lot that goes into his controversies (apart from Jamie one) that only fans know of, but nobody’s ready to listen or do the research bc all people wanna do is hate. And he’s apologised so many times, he’s apologising to this day for the mistakes he’s made. He even apologised for the skz thing (which in totally unbiased opinion is just silly and shouldn’t have been such a huge controversy). I just don’t know what else do people want him to do. I’ve never seen a celebrity who’s actually shown growth and acknowledges their mistakes. But even when his apologies are so sincere I’m afraid he’ll never be forgiven just because people love to hate.
Like i always say ppl are using his mistakes to justify their hate for him. So even he apologize or changed to a better person these ppl will nvr open their mind and heart to accept that which is sad coz no one is perfect
jae definitely might have made some mistakes and some of them might not be okay to be just brushed off but i believe that he’s definitely held himself more accountable for everything he has done and has definitely done a lot of reflecting ever since he left the industry. i think it has allowed jae to look back more clearly on eveyrhting that has happened and indeed the kpop industry seems like it would get one entirely wrapped up in eveyrhting that has happened and as jae said he felt like his mental age kinda paused at some point. i do think that jae has been maturing and growing over the years so let’s support him!
What I do think he was PAINFULLY UNTACTFUL for commenting that Kpop is "all fake". Many artists who have left K-pop (such as MOMOLAND's Daisy) or who have been inactive, said that the companies don't make up their whole personalities/it really depends on the person, and many friendships through fellow kpop idols have been proven again and again to be genuine. It was so disrespectful to generalize a whole genre, with hundreds of artists, and sum it up to just his experience (which is valid, but is not the only one out there).
I am not his or Day6's fan so I probably will never fully understand all the feelings related. However I kept up with all the stuff going on to this Interview and would wholeheartedly agree to everything said in this video. The last interview he seemed very careful to balance his honest way to approach things while also be mindful of everyone's possible perspective. It seems he has matured and grown a lot and although there were so many little stupid comments, what's what matter now is the present. I found it sad if everyone has to be perfect from the get-go...especially we are holding very young people to the standard. I understand that he was already in his 20s however how much can you really mature if all you do his practice and work for your career. I think he said it himself he was kinda stuck at a certain age and now he caught up learning, growing and healing. I felt the sincerity in his words so I am inclined to give him the benefit of believing he is matured. I understand the hurt as well of being 'erased' ...it maybe typical for companies to do this after an artists leave but on a human level it feels shit if you work hard for something and suddenly it seems all for nothing. In that sense many things can be true at the same time...he can be proud of them, he can hurt a little and still be okay with his decision all at once. Thank you for the video, it's really good to see a level-headed mind about topics like that.
This is going to sound SO stupid but the smell of baked potatoes remind me of Jae 😔✋️ It's because I used to make baked potatoes for lunch every single day during the pandamic and I listened to his podcast while cooking
Such a great video, to which I agree a lot. I am glad that he seems to be acknowledging his past attitude and what drove him to it. Although it kinda looks like he still has quite a journey to heal, looking very roughly at his self-loathing lyrics and his own descriptions of himself and that era as well as the hurt of how day6 is moving forward without him, which as painful as it is, they have to. I mean he officially left and they are not re-recording all their discography to erase his voice, he was part of Day6 but he no longer is, this is also something all people have to accept, I do get that it stings, mostly the "four" thing feels like not even an opening is left - in case he wanted to perform with them sometime in the future- but who knows. *sigh* It is what it is and rebranding can be quite necessary to ensure identity and that includes the fandom or to survive and keep relevancy or to initiate or gain new attention - he knows how this industry works- I also hope he can face this and be able to truly let go of anything that still ties him to hurt about that era of his. He already seems on the path. Truly after the thing with Jamie, I stopped following his solo activities, besides personally not liking quite much his individual music style however I was glad when a clip of the interview appeared on my feed and he looks more peaceful. Also what a thing, to become the very distress he wanted Day6 to not have, but rather he worked to get them to shine, give the band a spotlight, trying to make more people know of them and then to turn into their "dark spot". Very Greek tragedy honestly- not to downplay his situation- I truly can't help but feel for him. That does not mean I stand behind his wrongs, being mentally ill does not excuse you to be a jackass. He chose then to follow his anger, and I'm glad he notes this now. He also had this kind of "voice of reason", for a lack of better description, reputation/vibe previous all of this situation, that when his controversies happened only fueled the animosity people started feeling towards him. I remember he used to calm down and refocus kpop fans on twitter whenever anything happened that sparked fights or talks. Being some sort of an older brother "let's focus on the important stuff, we should make it better together" type of mindset, besides his relatability and comedic relief he gave that too to fans. He was seen as someone who read the room, so in a sense many were aware he knew and had done better and when all of those things happened the image of him changed to be someone he did know but did not choose to follow as he used to. Sometimes I think being this "older brother/voice of reason" perception of himself along with his sarcasm also paved some sort of hubris(?) moral superiority(?) that only fed into his "hate trains are coming for me" /" I am right, you are wrong/stupid" mentality that was building up along his mental health and pent up rage, making his perspective so distorted that it made sense to him to act and react the way he did to all of it and push actual concerned voices to the side. Also, I really like this comment section that leaves room for all the nuance and is having such a nice discussion in the comments (from what I have seen).
A lot of comments keep saying he willingly and happily left day6 but that’s not what happened Jae left jype > he stated it himself that he’ll continue being in day6 >Jype made the statement that jae has left the band. (I assume it was somewhere later that the decision was made and it’s unclear if he left or was made to leave)
Luh he terminated his contract, so it was expected that he would be removed from the group. It's a different story if he left the company after his contract expired, he could still with the group when they promote. wonder girls Sohee was still allowed to promote with wonder girls back then even after she left the company and wg membrs were allowed to talk about her. Jae's situation is more similar with nmixx Jini and sz woojin but minus the scandal.
@@mes6759 jae himself went on live and explained he’s not leaving the band. We can only guess, but I think they had a different plan initially. I agree that he was removed, I’m only saying that he never happily walked out of the group.
@@shri_shti_ Is he the company? It was his mistake. He should have waited for JYP to announce it. Did he explain if he had a talk with someone from JYP and that they had an agreement or he just automatically assumed that he could still be part of the group?
Okay, as someone who was very invested in the lore I would like to propose a likely scenario. It's not that uncommon for a member to depart an agency for individual contract reasons and still promote under their group, i.e. let's use GOT7 as an example bc Day6 and them were label mates. They all have individual careers and signed to different agencies but if they were do to a reunion under the GOT7 name it would have to be under JYPE due to copyright use. Okay, there may be a slight chance Jae wanted to follow suit. JYPE was unwilling to give him the level of creative freedom that he wanted, that may include aspirations to do more RU-vid/streaming content AND to start a solo career with a more alternative sound and in English. So, imagine someone who has been in the system since his survival show program days, now approaching his 30s, you'd feel completely stiffled when your company keeps saying no to your ideas. Also, DAY6 did not have a lot of clout at this time, vs. the level of success Day6 now enjoys. So, negotiations probably went more poorly than he expected. He probably did want to find a way to pursue a solo career while not abandoning the group. But my theory is JYPE would never risk Day6 in case Jae committed a mistake which impacted the image of the group, which ironically, did happen in hindsight. People tend to read so much into what he says as him being disatisfied with being in Day6 when I really think he just means the company had a lot of control over their artistic output and he no longer feels he can adhere to this. For those who think Jae quit Day6 cold turkey, he didn't. He really did it in phases, starting from moving out from the dorms. That's why I'm convinced he was still trying to find alternative arrangements, but realised in order for him to go solo, he had to leave JYPE entirely and that meant having to give up Day6. He seemed to always reminded his fans that he wasn't DONE with Day6, rather at his current state, he felt unable to be a productive member of Day6. So this always alludes to the fact he would like to see the day of reuniting. Although, realistically, without a contract with JYPE, he's defacto out of Day6. It was an inevitable choice he had to make. If he didn't leave JYPE, it would have been so hard to promote with his music style because it's not something the korean public responds well to.
This feels like you're digesting & disecting chicken shit tbh. I forget how young many kpop fans are. These things aren't even problematic, they're sarcasm & spicy humor you would celebrate if a streamer or your close friend did / said these things.
Kind of want to chime in as someone who has not thought of Jae since i heard about what he said about Jamie. I don’t want to be the type of person to excuse the first incident in the video with that typical statement of “it’s just guy’s humor” because i think that can be used for a lot of harmful things but to me it’s not something very offensive, probably not something he should do if he wants to work under a big korean company but not a big thing to me. i also honestly don’t think his reaction in the second incident is so bad, i understand the frustration. outside of calling fans stupid, but i understand emotions taking over in the moment. however i think his response to someone neurodivergent expressing their concerns is just weird? i don’t know if i would label him as ableist (i have diagnosed audhd myself) but it’s certainly immature. anxiety disorders aren’t part of neurodivergence and i’m not here to question whether he has adhd but different neurodivergent people are different. one neurodivergent person may be able to understand sarcasm while many may not. and i want to remind people that neurodivergent or just disabled people in general can absolutely be ableist or insensitive. the jamie issue is the one i actually have the most problems with. what he said was absolutely misogynist whether he was joking or being serious. jokes can be prejudiced just as anything else. his reaction when it happened also shows me his immaturity. it feels as though he might be used to his friends/“the boys” liking these kinds of jokes and expected everyone else to as well. the fact that he felt the need to comment on a woman’s expression of herself (in this case in relation to her body), regardless of if she’s a friend or not, is gross and shows how he views women. jamie’s reaction only solidified that this wasn’t something he’d checked if she was comfortable with but he was perfectly happy to say it live in front of an audience. glad he apologized and she said things are ok but it still weirds me out. no i don’t think he’s some characature misogynist who doesn’t want women to vote or wtv but he clearly has some internalized stuff he absolutely needs to work on and idk if he has. i don’t really like the use of “hurt people hurt people” in this video because, while i sympathize with the hardships he may have gone through, i don’t think that justifies him saying what he did about jamie or being ignorant. it’s also a term originally meant to explain why victims of abuse become abusers themselves. while i think it’s fine to use the term for other situations i don’t think we know enough about jae’s situation (and we shouldn’t that’s his private business) to diagnose him as someone who has been traumatized or hurt like that. my question is what has he done since then that makes people think he’s changed? this is a genuine question because i haven’t even heard his name since the jamie incident. is it just that he hasn’t said any more misogynistic stuff? that should be the base line. i’m just wary of praising celebrities for minor things. i don’t mean to sound harsh i just want to warn people from going down a path i think is harmful. tldr: i don’t think he deserves a massive hate train but honestly i’m not remotely interested in what he’s up to next myself and think he still has a lot of growing to do. i think we should always question celebrities’ motives for “turning a new leaf”
I’ve loosely followed him since the Jamie incident, and while I can’t speak for his private life. He has somewhat publicly grown ifkwim (bcz of how often he’s live). Perhaps it’s a bit more exaggerated to me because I did follow him really closely while he was apart of Day6 but the way he carries himself in conversation now is rather different to how he used to imo at least
As someone who has been following jae for a couple of years now, I can say he has changed a lot compared to the person he was when all of these controversies arose. To address your comment about the usage of "hurt people hurt people" in this video, I would argue that they used it appropriately because Jae has opened up to his fans that his time in South Korea was quite traumatizing for him -- where for a long time he wasn't able to play the guitar because of the painful memories it brought him. I won't dare claim to know about his private life or all of his past experiences. Still, from what he has said in interviews and such, he wasn't in a good place nor did he have a good support system so it greatly affected his mental health. He was hurt, and his pent up anger caused his to make bad decisions that hurt others After he left the band, he has never shied away from admitting his past mistakes and taking full accountability for it. To this day, he continues to discuss those mistakes and the impact that its had on others. He has used his platform many times to spread news about social issues and injustices in order aid others. hes just been a dude who is more mature, thoughful and kinder
04:50 but his words WERE purposely mistranslated before this? he wasn't trying to divert attention, he was talking about something that had happened to him. 09:50 he has addressed this multiple times, that he meant concept wise. if you had watched the toast interview you would've seen it was in relation to that.
Tbh its understandable to be mad about controversies since it affected the whole group. But to hold that grudge and actively hate comment him on anything he does is pretty childish behaviour. And these commenters say he cannot let go of the past, even tho they really are the ones unable to do so. Also, people picking out random stuff out of this interview without context are just sturring up way more trouble and actually making this cycle go on and on. If they really did watch the whole video, then they should see, Jae is healing and is very much aware how much damage he has done with his acts back in the days. So it's time to let him go, haters. If you really want Day6 to stay out of controversies, do not get upset in the comments, do not post hateful stuff, and do not connect everything he says to the band. Thank you.
First of all, first time watching your channel, enjoyed it a lot. Second I do see and agree with fairly everything you said. I've been as of right now a long time fan of Day6 and I gotta add that Jae was in fact my bias in the group, although I'm not usually the type of fan that obsesses so much with their bias to the point that favors over the rest of the members, I was first a fan of Day6 the band and the music, before I was any type of Jae/eaJ stan. Over the years I was always quite confused with many of the controversies he was in, because I actually never payed that much attention to their content outside of music, so in that sense I wasn't present and aware of what it was going on and if it wasn't for him aknowledging things himself over on twitter I wouldn't have probably realized almost any of it had happen. But seeing your video I definitely get a good understanding of people's bad taste in their mouth from Jae. But just like you put it in the video, it's not about erasing or putting a blind on in his past, but realizing where some of those actions may have come from, whether it's different cultural sensibilities, lack of awareness or lashing out from their own pain, and if through time they have changed their behaviours and response, having learned from the past, which we could consider at this point that he does understand how he didn't respond fair or mindfully to his many controversies and he does feel apolegetic over his previous responses and how immature he had been. I actually see it very reflected on his current music, those feelings. And it does paint the picture that he get's where he did wrong and he had to change in order to forgive others and himself in his own head and perspective too. And move on to feeling more free even if some of the public hasn't moved on still. I mean first he can't expect everyone to forgive him, but he also has the right to move on from it, as long as he as learned the lesson.
Jae suffered from having no filter and not thinking before he speaks or posts. But I'm glad he's reflected on himself and grown. Some controversies were blown out of proportion. Hes a gfeat musician
And we now talk about him, etc. After Day6 success, after what other members went through, after military service, after YoungK, Sungjin, Dowoon, Wonpil promoted Day6 individually. Seriously, before and after military service I literally saw YoungK was everywhere to promote the group. Yes, Jae was part of the group. He tried to promote the band too, but as the oldest member of the group, sometimes he is too comfortable for being himself and forgot that he had influence or audience. He should choose his words wisely and mindfully in front of the public eye. I think he is old enough to know that. Maybe he did not like being watched by the public or confined by rules. He loves his freedom so much.
If im being honest here yes i would love jae to come back to day6 but at the same time i feel like he shouldn’t cus of the fans. No disrespect to the fans, but i always despise the kpop fans and stuff for being too soft. Yes jae did made some mistakes that will definitely take into accountability but if im being honest here, this type of controversy isn’t even that big of a controversy at all. He was just literally being himself and going through a tough time. Yes i agree that even though if artists are going through a tough time, they shouldn’t lash it out on someone and stuff. But to me i think it was quite minor and this type of drama shouldn’t really happened in the first place
Yes i do agree the jaemin incident was too much till the point he is hurting he’s own friends. But at this point of time i highly doubt that jae will return to Day6 and stuff, but i will always keep on hoping that one day it will happen. It’s been almost 4 years since he’s departure and people are still hating on him which i dont understand why.
But i really do think that the label was part of his mental health deteriorating. Anyways that’s my take im truely sorry if i offended any fans here. I just want to state my opinion.
@@MirgAden agree, the company was so worsh, got7 out, jimin out, eaj out, bernard out at that time... jyp change the ceo and some of staff not long after got7 and jae out of company.
I feel like everything he did was nothing bad at all, excluding the jamie comment. but like yeah they werent the nicest things to say but i totally get why he felt that way and its frustrating that fans can be whatever they want no matter how hurtful they are, but a celebrity has to be perfect. BUT i also do agree that him lashing out wasnt a good reaction to have and i get how that happens too and i am happy if hes really taken time to think about things and reflect and grow!
Yes but some kpopers really owe an apology to Jae, because all of the hate and the harrasment they did to him and they're still doing it. Jae didn't deserve any of that, he's grown a lot and he's no that bad person everyone wants to think he is.
Really appreciate your insights. For me though, I really can't get past his comments on Jamie. I understand what you're saying about it essentially being beef between friends that they've squashed but I was personally offended by the comments - not just angry on Jamie's behalf. The blatant misogyny and the fact that he thought of it as friendly banter is the actual problem for me. I'm glad that he's learned from it and I wish him well but I cannot continue to support any artist that can speak that way publicly about friends or colleagues. That's just me.
thank you so much for commenting! I completely get what you mean, and you're feelings on that one are totally valid! It's a toughie bc while Jamie herself has said she forgives him for his comments, that doesn't mean everybody has to. The comments about Jamie were offensive and as a woman it still makes me wince too, all we can hope is that he has learnt from them and wouldn't dare make a comment like that in future!
@@makeart-notwar-6732 i can see why you would say that - fair enough. But if they build that dynamic with fans from the start, it's also unfair to call reasonable reactions as "parasocial" when it's convenient. Misogyny is offensive no matter where it comes from. But even if we take offense out of the picture, my values just simply don't align with his anymore, so I think it's normal to withdraw support.
@@dearyoongi Thanks for acknowledging where I'm coming from! I absolutely stand with you on wanting him to learn and grow, and that the hate on him is unnecessary. I do wish him the best going forward. And you as well! I love listening to your analysis. All your videos are thoughtful and sincere. I'm so glad I found you. Take care!
Idk about anyone, I just hope he can really grow even more as an artist and a more mature person. People criticize the man as if we, ourselves, haven't done wrong things.
he keeps saying things he shouldn't have in the span of two years at twitch streaming. His bandmates (that either on a hiatus bcs of anxiety or just trying to not let ppl forgot abt day6 by doing everything they can) also get so much heats bcs a lot of ppl just know day6 as a group. Fans also got so tired of defending him bcs he keeps doing the same mistakes, and the thing is while hes doing all the streaming is hes supposedly also on hiatus bcs of his mental health. Some ppl said that it is a miscommunication between him and jype, abt how long his hiatus is. But i dont even know what the truth is.
I was really big into day6 so I will say that the way Jae reacted to things back then was very telling of where he was as a person and dare I say his maturity at the time. He said a lot of things that could be considered in poor taste and thus angered a lot of people. While I didnt really enjoy his personality back then, it is commendable that he’s starting to learn that some answers need a bit of calculation. I’m still not really a fan of his now but I hope he continues his growth.
Regarding the stray kids incident, it’s so funny how people expect an reasonable response to their disrespectful behaviour. Sorry, this guy is just not treating everyone around him like snowflowers
i dont even think the first 5 should count as controversies, like they are normal, and ppl nowadays get offended over everything, like it was never that deep fr. the jamie one was bad tho omg i felt so bad for her when that happened:( i do think it was better for jae to break out of the korean industry, i feel like it just wasnt ment for him, and jype did such a terrible job of managing him AND day6
Yeah I feel bad for him I've been a Day6 fan since 2017 but at the end of the day Day6 is now four, no matter how much you sugar coat it he just isn't part of them anymore, as far as from a business aspect. He needs to get over it and heal
I like day6 since "congratulation" and OT5 is so iconic. There is nothing wrong with what eaj said in the interview, as a former member of the group. Do you know what he felt like? He spent precious time with them, making songs, from the beginning..of course he felt that way. People just judge without feeling it themselves. And he also never said bad things about day6 or jyp, but instead felt guilty that he could have handled this problem better. Haters are really idiots😂
Tbh, fans are over entitled and stupid sometimes. They need to know they dont own artists or idols and their ability to cancel someone or to perceive someone in a bad light is ridiuclous. Koreans need to stop giving fans so much power.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the Sana incident! he was in an podcast and when asked why he requested a signed album by sana instead of just asking himself, he just said "oh, i haven't spoken to sana in seven years". which was the first controversy i actually heard him be in and was so confused by it because it seemed like a nothing burger. I remember vividly twice fans were mad about it for some reason
Onces really need to elaborate on what exactly wrong this is, because let's not act like everyone in JYPE are friends. And communication really goes both ways lol.
These are all really good points but I can’t help but be skeptical that his new leaf turn is for fame rather than a real change of heart. I rarely use twitch and so I’m still subbed to him, and the other day I was on there and saw he was live with only like 300 viewers (which is nothing if u wanna do that full time).
He's a fulltime songwriter/singer, twitch streaming is more like a hobby. Who makes his living by streaming would refuse to stream on his birthday because he didn't want his fans to send gifts/money to him? Hope you understand my point
Wow ya'll are too sensetive! None of these are controvercial. And if people can't deal with sarcasm, get off the internet! There's really nothing to apologise for here imo, he doesn't owe people to be the perfect idol...
The Jamie thing was the biggest deal, and obviously so. He was extremely wrong for it, but I don't believe he actually thinks that.. he had been trying to appeal or get close to the other twitch streamers and act like them. Making dank, open jokes and whatever shit they're all up to. Jamie forgave him in the end, altho I'm not sure how close they are now. Well it was between them mostly and it got resolved so I don't have any reason to hate him. A lot of other things were stupid and overblown
I agree, I think the comments about Jamie were the worst. It's like he was teetering along the line of the sorts of humour people in that streaming environment found funny, and ended up hurting somebody he was close to in the process. That itself must have been a huge wakeup call that he'd gone too far.
as someone who has been a myday since 2017 and was ot5, i really respected jae a lot at the time which is probably why i will forget the harm he caused for the band tho it's all in the past and forgiven now but after his spiral, my whole image of him has been ruined forever beyond repair. I know people deserve second chances and i dont wish anything bad but rather the best of luck for his endeavors but i am sick and tired of the constant association of him with the current day6 considering everyone knows he left by choice and under what circumstances. A lot of supporters (and him apparently) just CANT let day6 go even though its been nearly 4 years! this constant villainization of the members that stayed who had to work 10x harder to fill up his space, have to reorganize all their songs with him which is like 90% of their discography and yet they get this weird shady treatment when on top of it all, they haven't said a single thing about him since he left, good or bad. He keeps bringing them up and portraying himself in a helpless way using day6 which gives me the ick and then he gives some backhanded compliments like it absolves him of everything his fans then rush to use day6 to uplift him and give him more credit than he deserves especially fot their current success in korea, it's 100% because of the members pushing harder once they came back and finally the fruits of their labor paid off! i get he had issues but so did all of day6, the difference is they dont speak of it so for his fans, keep supporting his solo career and let go of day6 please! that's his past and he will never be day6 again! day6 is fourever point blank, like it or not and most of us moved on already
u're right about ot4 working rly hard but why can't he bring them up..? genuine question i'm just confused why he shouldn't talk about them? the reason the members don't say anything is probably bc of the label so that makes sense but jae isn't bounded by that and he has kept his silence for 2 years... i don't rly understand what u mean by him talking about it in a helpless way either bc if u're only referring to that 1 min clip of him talking about fourever yes i agree but the entire interview is much more than that :/ he also mentions how he is still in contact with the members and how he loves them whenever he talks about them so to say that they are backhanded is kinda unfair... just my opinion tho and im both ot4 and jar so that's where im coming from
@@quietjaddie13 because every time he brings them up, it stirs negative attention whether to him or the band and tbh lots of us are tired already of the constant reminder of the sht that went down and specifically that time period because it was awful for mydays and day6 back then. also the members not talking about him doesnt have to be only a kpop thing but i truly believe they just moved on from him and started a whole new chapter as they should, ik he speaks to some of them but in his own words, they talk once in a blue moon which means so rarely if any at all, this tells me they're not close anymore and its understandable. He also unfollowed ONLY youngk recently on ig yet non of the members unfollowed him (tbh i dont think they even go thru their followings lol) it just gave me HUGE icky vibes and some sort of one sided beef, i didnt forget his shady comments towards yk ahead of his departure and how he iumplied yk was favored bc he was insecure over yk and i dont think he ever got over it, in fact those 2 most likely dont talk anymore but the ot5 fans still cling to theories and non existent delusions of an ot5 and its getting toxic i believe its backhanded because he said he 'sacrificed' his 'career' in korea for the band and i was like?? he ONLY had a career BECAUSE of the band and that sht rubbed me off wrong because he was implying he was doing them a favor they all worked hard and am not negating his past efforts but ALL of them did! it was a team effort, he has hints of superiority complex yet somehow he seems very insecure of himself, i hope he heals from his past so he can truly move on unfortunately, i still dont believe he truly changed yet and i could be wrong but everything he says feels so ingenuine to me, it's in the little things like the shading of the members choice of album name, claiming they're 'erasing' him even tho it has nothing to do with him, then following it by saying he supports them?? very weird behavior to me and sounds like he wants to seem pitiful over all, am not coming from a place of hate but rather frustration. Lots of mydays are tired of this back and forth with his fans, its toxic and would be healthier if we just move on and stop acting like the past can be changed, it's simply over now
@@icyprincessvibe ok i get your perspective and while i do have different opinions from yours thank you for taking the time to respond kindly. i agree that as a fandom we should definitely move on too bc it's tiring for me as well to see people constantly harping on this topic when both parties have gone their separate ways for good :" i understand your feelings about the realness of his sincerity but i also hope that one day u'll find it within yourself to maybe accept it? it's fine if u don't but ig we all find closure in different ways :)
@@quietjaddie13 thank you for being kind and understanding of my reasoning and i do respect and see where u come from as well and i truly hope i do see the day i feel he's true and genuine as well and we let bygones be bygones as both parties thrive on their own :)
Unfortunately, I can't bring myself to enjoy his work as eaj as much as I did with his music in DAY6 (personal taste), and I don’t feel right listening to the new DAY6 tracks without his voice either. I guess I'm just stuck with the OT5 songs forever :/
I assume Jae (eaj) couldn't move on from these Kpop controversies cuz that's the only thing making him relevant (like bigger than just a rising artist or maybe bigger than his twitch days?) whether he likes it or not 😅😅😅 jae manage to cultivate a fanbase of his own when he was surrounding himself in the Kpop sphere and may have noticed that he may have stopped gaining attention after releasing his music and other projects in the west. I assume from here Jae will always choose to keep involving himself in controversies regarding the Kpop sphere as that's the place where most people know him from and ig in a way, he's still trying to grow past his time in Kpop but it's taking him a while to find that's spot in western music ig
Well, why would not he? He remains the part of day6 history, he's been involved in Korean music industry for years. I just personally don't see it as him "not moving on from kpop controversies" (If I understand this part of your comment correctly). So, the point is, why should he move on and ignore/avoid the kpop industry as if he has not been part of it? I might not understand your comment
oh that’s real and honestly a really valid explanation. he’s j gonna bounce to where his name is being mentioned and it’s gonna mainly be in the kpop sphere during this time as that’s where he had a lot of his start and faults from
@@amandarenein8502because he clearly said that he not part of "that culture anymore ' maybe? Or "since I'm not in K-pop anymore " blah blah blah??At some point he didn't even wanted Day6 to be mentioned during his streams...
@@saras.5619 Honestly, I don't think we should take his words literally, they were said in different contexts. Anyway, I'm not going to think Jae is good or bad. This approach is one-sided and extreme. He is a human, and every human has its own flaws
I don't condone harassment towards anyone but it feels icky that ppl are treating him like a victim ever since he left JYP. Like why are you speaking about Day6 ONLY when you come out with new music and stuff? It feels so clout chasing esp now that Day6 are so successful these days. If it's really such a big impact in your life why not speak about it more often outside of having a comeback? Why not show your support for the group? Why did you bad talk the members in an interview before and called the group fake? Why did you call your best friend a thot? Like many things he's done are so confusing and it just gives me the ick. I also do not condone the erasure of him being in the group previously obviously he has left his mark in the group as a former member. But why get upset when others move on? And why get upset at the album name Fourever? The group is four now so. The group continued on without you and so did myday. Have a nice solo career. Now STOP getting in the business of the group that doesn't concern you anymore...? Lol don't get it.
glad to see he's doing well, but can he not talk about day6 all the time though? (i don't mean that literally, but the topic comes up often) 😅 this is the only annoying thing about him atm... like idc about his past controversies. he's already apologized. but he really needs to move on. 😅
this is actually the only interview atm where hes delved abit into his time at the company and Day6 and that's because he has moved on and is at a stage in life where hes matured and somewhat comfortable talking about those life experiences
So I'm going to be very real with you, it's interesting to me why so many people say he KEEPS talking about day6 when he's literally been mute about this since he actively promoted under eaJ. When people make claims like this, they have no receipts. It's all perception. This interview is the first time he's spoken about day6 FOR THE LONGEST TIME. If people are mad at the fact he's *suddenly* okay with speaking about his past, and they're skeptical of the timing of this, so be it. But let's not go about rewriting history here, that's just plain misinformation.
Real talk, some his responses are justified, but some of the things he say are just tone deaf as hell, I think the Jamie thing is when he realized he needed help. The Jamie thing is what made me not watch him anymore honestly, Jamie genuinely seemed hurt and I understand her as a woman. Especially coming from a friend
Korean men in general are really misogynistic… think about the nth room scandal were over 200 kpop idols are in private chat rooms sharing p*rn of non consenting women I think he was surprised because international fans don’t
I'm not naive I know even back then it was used in a mean way but thot really was said to be a made up word that meant woman and baddie pewdie, other streamrs argued it was, I know jae said it because he thinks sexy concepts or baddie concepts are embarrassing and that is slut shaming- and that cannot be forgiven but do you guys think he in his heart is a misogynistic pig in his heart do you think he hates liberal ideals that he comes to america where sexual freedom is so big to of all places LA at that, I'm saying we all have to unlearn the patriarchy sometimes having a person do something you think doesn't fit them is funny to him. That is what he said in that stream if you remember and if you saw him explain. and your saying he was raised in america he was raised in a time where thot didnt exist cuz literally it was made up circa 2019, I swear it wasn't a thing in 2018 much less 2017. again I was there and it wasnt until it was normalized and common knowledge that only men used it that it became a slut shaming word for sure, set in stone and also he lived in South korea for like 12 years right like imagine like he said he had to give up a lot of his morality in south korea now that's another conversation but just imagine in south korea's incel ass place and again he said trying and not is a thot and even back then he said he was reflecting on it and now I think he really has turned a new leaf
ur not just extremely naive but delusional bc why are u defending using the word when he knows what the definition is, laughed while using it and saying it, and it clearly did affected jamie to tweet about it and for her to be clearly shocked he called her a name that back in the late 2010s was clearly used to describe a promiscuous girl in a negative light… let’s be a little more serious bc he was dead wrong and that’s common sense. most of his other scandals where just bc of tone confusion with the audience he interacts with and how his ‘authentic america self’ had a bad reflection on korean audiences who didn’t understand that type of language and banter but….. no way you are going to call a girl and thot and think they aren’t going to comment about it and automatically think abt the societal definition of that word (which is bad… again… that’s clearly common sense for anyone to pick up)
‘baddie & bad bitch’ are more of the words that are complementary and said on stream than ‘thot’ like that’s clearly not something girls want to be called what are u talking abt😂😂😂😂
