I've heard a lot of people talking about how the cold could have helped Marguerit and Sector Zero survive the Kharaa. The problem with that theory is that since Marguerit's body is warm, the cold wouldn't have affected the infection that's already inside of her. The fact that the Frozen Leviathan is infected with the Kharaa, even though it's frozen, also indicates that the Kharaa has no problems with the cold. When it comes to how Sector Zero was able to survive the Kharaa, this theory would make much more sense. The cold could have limited the bacteria's ability to spread, which might have helped Sector Zero to survive. I've also heard a lot of people talking about how since the Frozen Leviathan in Sector Zero is infected with the Kharaa, possibility #5 doesn't make any sense. However, this can actually be easily explained. The Frozen Leviathan didn't have the same common ancestors as the leviathans in Subnautica and the living leviathans in Subnautica: Below Zero meaning it wouldn't produce a Kharaa-curing enzyme. This is why we don't see any living Frozen Leviathans in Subnautica: Below Zero. The Frozen Leviathan also looks significantly different compared to the leviathans in Subnautica and Subnautica: Below Zero; it has a completely different body structure which further proves this theory. Because of this, I still think possibility #5 is a viable theory, perhaps even the most likely. Additionally, some further proof I recently found on possibility #5 can be found in the PDA entry on Enzyme Host Peepers (Peepers carrying Enzyme 42). The entry states that the enzyme, "Bears some superficial similarity to the stomach enzymes of larger predators." This is some very solid evidence, the only problem is that it only mentions the stomach enzymes of large predators. This would explain how Marguerit was able to survive, since she consumed a Reaper, but it doesn't explain how Reefback and Sea Treader Leviathans are immune to the Kharaa. My best guess is that since the PDA is under the "Advanced Theories" section, this is only a theory and isn't the complete truth that all large leviathans have the stomach enzyme that makes them immune to the Kharaa.
(This may explain why the leviathan class don't get affected by the Kharaa but not Marguerit) What if the Kharaa is a cancer type disease? Bacterial Cancer is known to target healthy cells and even blend in from white bloodcells, this can explain how the Kharaa targets healthy cells and copies it's basic genetic code. Certain animal evolution on Earth allowed them to have a better genome than Humans, example: Blue Whales and Elephants, Elephants have a gene called Tumor-suppressant gene which humans have on a small scale. Basically bigger animal = more copies of cancer suppressor genes. What about Sea Treaders? They aren't massive so does that ideology fall apart? No, Blue whales have a loci(Genetic Strand) that has evolved faster than most mammals which basically keeps all DNA and cells in check for anything out of place AKA: Mutations. These huge creatures on Earth were forced to evolve like this because the bigger they are the more cells they have and if they aren't resilient to Cancer which increases in chance of contracting, then they die out as a species.
Well, honestly your possibility #3 makes perfect sense on its own. By your own admission, the peepers allow organisms to hold the disease at bay. Marguerit may not actually be *cured*, she may just be essentially in a holding pattern. Whether she understands the significance of the peepers, or if it's just blind luck that she eats enough of them, that's unknown but not terribly relevant to the question of how she survives. But if she does know the significance of the peepers, then the explanation is airtight and she just has endless tuna melt breath.
@@Luna-mo4bp That could be true, and some humans have been genetically modified to have resistance. Even if in this universe cancer cures are plenty, and if Marguerite’s parents were also mercenaries, each generation could have a slightly higher resistance, eventually reaching the point that they can last years. Other people, like maybe Riley’s parents or grandparents, could have been very paranoid and chosen higher resistance, just in case. It could also be treated like a vaccine, where almost every body chooses the higher resistance, so they don’t die in a couple of hours, but if you were born on a spaceship or somewhere else unregulated, you could get off scott-free and live your whole life with a very bad resistance.
Humans are completely immune to literally any disease in the Universe but our body takes time to find a cell that can kill that specific infection. Our body literally has trillions and trillions of cell with different DNA, it is like a dictionary to every disease. But maybe in case of Marguerit the cell with DNA matching to the Khara was found and it killed Khara and she got immune. You can watch this video to understand the immune system: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-LmpuerlbJu0.html
When a leviathan class lifeform gets near Marguerit Maida they hear a voice in their head that says “detecting a Marguerit Maida class life form in the area, are you sure that what you are doing is worth it?”
10:50 Reapers aren’t apex predators. In the PDA there is an entry that says that the Sea Dragon Leviathan sometimes will swim up to the surface to drag a Reaper down, kill it, and eat it.
back in the earlier years of subnautica, there was a huge hole straight down to the lava zone at the front end of the aurora, that’s where the story of sea dragons pulling reapers down comes from
@@googleyoflolz9930 True enough but the term apex predator isn't really an exact science either. If you think about... there are NO apex predators on Earth. People will offer up suggestions like sharks, lions, etc... but I've eaten shark (and I could eat a lion) so by rigid definition they aren't apex predators... and of course humans aren't apex predators either, since we can be eaten by things we also eat. If you back off the rigid ideology of what an apex predator is supposed to be.... yet doesn't actually exist... a Reaper is very much an apex predator.
@googleyoflolz9930 not really its all based on the biome their currently in. You could say that a Grizzly Bear is an Apex predator, but Wolverines will kill and eat them if put in the position to do so. Same with Great Whites, they're apex predators, but still get killed and eaten by Orcas.
Imagine that one dialogue in below zero when you first meet her, your PDA go: Warning, detecting leviathan class life form APPROACHING RAPIDLY are you sure whatever you are doing is worth it ?
I personally think it is a plot hole that the devs didn't have the time to account for. Based on some PDA entries from the cut storyline, it seems like there was supposed to be some kind of explanation for how Marguerit survived, but they never got to it. There were at least 10 incomplete voicelogs for her from when she was floating towards Sector Zero and only a few made it into the full release. In the ones that were cut, she talks about the Kharaa and how Bart had told her he could slow it down, but that now that she was on her own, it was getting worse. After she gets to Sector Zero, there is one where she says she thinks she only has a few weeks left to live and specifically mentions that the fish in the sector taste exactly like the Peepers she was eating in the Crater. Even though those are not technically canon, it seems most likely that she was surviving on fish that carried the enzyme. How she was cured permanently is anyone's guess. Maybe once the Sea Emperors were hatched, they carried the enzyme to other parts of the planet and she was cured for good at the same time Riley was.
There WAS a removed juvenile Sea Emperor in Sector Zero. They took it out early on but it lived in the Lilypad biome. I never saw the cut bit about the Peepers--that's probably the real answer, then. I know there's a bit in the current logs where Maida says that what she "needs is inside" the Reaper, hence cutting into & eating it. I assumed she gained whatever resistance/cure Leviathans have by eating it.
@@FeralSheWolf yeah, pda does say that enzyme 42 in the carrier peepers resembled digestive enzymes of other leviathans. Which means that Marguerite may have consumed the stomach and/or other digestive organs of the reaper and thus consumed large amounts of the enzyme. Then, the pda states that when the emperors released enzyme 42 into the world, it pretty much purged kharaa from the world.
Hey! Short question, where did you get those cut voicelogs from? I didn’t even know about them! And it sound pretty cool and like it could in a different subnautica timeline make a lot of sense, So question; where did you get that "information" from? If you could could you please send a link that would be great, thank you! (+English is not my first language so I apologize if there are any grammar mistakes.)
i feel like we need to give more attention to the fact that Marg killed TWO reaper's with little to no injury and with just the equipment from their life pod, that crazy old lady could probably taken out the whole population with the equipment Riley had
@@Tyekiller115 a piece of metal salvage wouldn't kill a reaper. If you tried to kill a reaper with a fucking prawn suit it would take genuine ages. With drill arm aswell
The theory I would go with is that humans are anatomically VERY different from the Architects. It's entirely possible that the mortality rate of Kharaa is actually significantly lower in humans than it was for Architects. Sure, Bart Torgal presumably died of the disease, but he lived for quite some time before succumbing to it, and was reasonably active while still sick. Ryley manages to complete the events of the first game while infected with Kharaa. Our sample size is pretty small; maybe Marguerit just...got better after a few months.
@@Mimi_ownsyouall He is a doctor, but he cheated and lied on all his exams and stuff. Still a doctor since he got his doctorate(presumably) but like he didnt work for it
The thing is, In below zero, when you find the antidote with the spy pengling, so you could still finish the game if you died and lost it, you can craft the antidote, and margurite had experience farming plants, and it takes plants to make the enzyme (that are in the area snow stalkers are where she got hers from) meaning she could’ve eaten both plants at the same time and accidentally created an antidote.
Well to be fair, curing the leviathan is not essential to completing the game, since I completed the game without even finding the infected leviathan. (I don't know how or why)
I've seen a alot of people theorize that because of the cold climate, the bacteria get weakened. Yet everyone seems to be ignoring the fact that the frozen leviathan contracted the infection within the *POLAR* climate, and then fell through *ICE* and *FROZE* to death. Yet the bacterium was still active within its corpse. Which in itself I find odd, wouldn't the kharaa die out without a living host?
then a new question arises, is it dead? remember that you can preserve things in cold climates (sector 0) if it were dead the bacterium would die as well, but if the bacterium is alive then we must assume the worst, the frozen leviathan is still alive
In general cold doesn't kill most bacteria. It just puts in it a kind of stasis and slows down or halts reproduction which is why even after you freeze chicken you can't eat it raw, you need the heat of cooking to kill the bacteria.
Freezing bacteria never kills it, that's a myth and or misconception people still have spreading around. Heating and high temperatures kills bacteria, freezing it only halts and pauses the reproduction of it but it's still there living off whatever it's attached to.
Guys you’re all ignoring that bacteria don’t need a loving host like viruses. They parasitize the resources of the host, which persist after death, not the cellular machinery
One thing I wish you'd mentioned is that the precursors were uniquely susceptible to the virus due to their conglomerate DNA. Also Below Zero does throw a tiny wrench into your "Leviathans don't get Kharaa" theory, but it's only a tiny wrench because the obvious explanation is that the non-immune ones died out. Still, it's a solid theory and I personally go with the combined theory that "Maida is tough as nails" and "All (surviving) leviathans create an enzyme." It's simple, elegant, and wholly consistent with the facts as we know them.
Since the precursors were susceptible to the virus, maybe the virus hadn't evolved to quickly kill humans until they arrived on the planet? It's possible that the virus was FAR weaker against humans when the Degasi crew arrived but evolved within the next 10 years to affect the Aurora survivors more quickly. That combined with Marguerite having a stronger immune system AND consuming the reaper to obtain the enzyme for herself could explain why she lasted so long
@@zapheil If this old strain were enzyme-resistant it would make no sense for the modern day strain to be weak to it. That would be like modern-day bacteria developing antibacterial weakness in the age of antibacterials.
@@jaiclary8423 If I am correct, bacteria will lose their anti-biotic resistance in exchange for resistance against phages, which are know viruses that hunt bacteria. Perhaps a phage exist of 4546B that made it so the antibiotic resistance of the bacteria was lost in order to be more resistant to the phage.
I think it’s probably because of the peepers that carry enzyme 42. Out of the three Degasi survivors, only Marguerit preferred to hunt for food instead of farming, meaning she likely ate A LOT of peepers. While it wouldn’t cure her outright since the mother Sea Emperor’s enzyme was too weak/unstable, it WOULD prevent a severe infection from taking root, just like it prevents fish in alien containment from getting sick. Maybe Marguerit couldn’t avoid the Kharaa ever infecting her, but she had enough enzyme 42 in her system that the infection wasn’t able to progress past a certain point & it burned itself out before it could kill her.
Basically, she's badass. She was an extremely strong, healthy individual, and I imagine didn't settle for the tastes of the small fish, instead, going for stalkers and other predators. This made her concentration of enzyme-42 higher, boosting her immune system to not be fatally ill when the reaper attacked. Then, feeding on the reaper, her enzyme-42 concentration increased higher, letting her overcome the bacterium as they got to the map of Below Zero.
@@Kevin-zz9du "Mary sue is defined as a female character without flaws" -Paul Torgal: cowardly, overprotective -Bart Torgal: he seemed like a mediator in the voice logs, he must've been raised well but not by his father! -however you spell it: Hostile, shoots first, paraphrasing here, you kill the sea monsters. Then kill the bigger sea monsters with small sea monster bones
For possibility 5, The Sea Emperor is Sapient and possess physic capabilities. She may have freely given Enzyme 42 because she knew the dangers. Also the Architects were researching other Leviathans. The Kharaa was released in the first place because the Architects took a Sea Dragon Egg to study, and the mother attacked the base. We also don't see any other Leviathan level research outside of the egg and Emperor. They may not have been able to capture another Leviathan because of their size, with them only getting the Emperor because she wanted to help.
Actually when the precursors found her she wasn’t extremely old As the sea emperor said that they were small enough to get in but no longer are Well they said it in a really cryptic way
Since we know the precursors are mostly made of biomachines and their brains are probably computers. They couldn't hear the sea emperor. Since Riley is a human, he gets to hear and help the sea emperor.
@@ahmed4363 That's a flawed explanation, the Precursors/Architects had psychic abilities as well. Maybe they were blocking her signal for some strange reason (and even unknown to themselves), maybe their biology wasn't compatible enough to receive her messages. Even their creation - the Self Warping Enforcer Unit (Warper) is able to use some psychic stuff to "hack" into Riley's radio, they communicate with each other wirelessly and the radio picks it up sometimes. So it's definitely not, that their brains are computers and thus unable of psychic stuff. They were very psychic themselves.
The antidote ingredients is the vase plant and fevered pepper. And in Below zero, there's so many fevered pepper around the island. I think maybe she survived because of them?
i think youre only meant to craft then if by some weird reason you lost the original one , but the other degasi crew where working on a cure maybe they managed it but lost it for the reaper and only margarit got it
Nobody knew about the cure until Samantha Ayou discovered it by squishing and mixing random stuff together and probably tested it on a carved out piece of the Frozen Leviathan
My background is as an EMT with ten years' experience and a degree in biochemistry and biomolecular analysis, so I have my own ideas on why Maida wasn't killed 1.) She drifted into an Arctic zone. Cold is well known to reduce some viruses capability to reproduce, and if stage 4's skin blisters are a major replication site, this could have had a preventative effect. In cold climates, your core body temperature drops. You will go down 1 or 2 degrees Fahrenheit, even more near the skin. This isn't dangerous, and even such a small change can have a dramatic effect on many diseases. 2.) While "natural immunity" isn't really a thing, having a strong resistance is. You can simply get less sick from a chronic illness, and we do understand why this happens, biochemically speaking. It's just an emergent field of study. 3.) It may function similarly to tuberculosis, which can have an immensely long latent period. Your body essentially walls off the infection like an oak gall. But eventually is breaks out. So possibly she just got to a point where the disease went into remission, not cured but not spreading. 4.) The peepers carrying the curative enzyme may have been acting like a treatment, not a curative. Before modern antibiotics, we used to treat syphilis with arsenic. It rarely cured the disease, but severely repressed it. We still use it in some forms of leukemia. It's possible the disease was just being suppressed by the peepers weaker version of the disease.
Actually there is a good explanation for how she survived and it's explained through datapoints on Kharaa and its effects on local fauna. You learn that leviathan's have a level of resistance to the bacterium, with larger leviathan class lifeforms having the ability to coexist longer with the bacterium. They may get infected, but they have the ability to survive for much longer periods of time, or can live for years being infected without dying. It's most likely that Margaruit gained a stronger resistance to the bacterium through excessive consumption of the reaper leviathan. It's provided her with a natural ability to resist the bacteria. When you meet Margaruit in sector zero she is no longer infected or at least is in remission. She survived long enough via reaper resistance, then eventually received the cure from the sea emperor's enzyme, which was released in way so it would spread and cure the rest of the organisms on the planet. Likely the cure reached sector zero eventually in some form, and she probably ended up consuming cured peepers vented from the glacial basin, which cured her fully. (The frozen leviathan only had the bacterium still because it was never in the water when the cure was released, there was no way for the sea emperor's cure to reach it, hence it's the only organism still infected). The other explaination is that simply that she scared the Kharaa bacterium into leaving her body. After killing a reaper with a jagged peice of metal, the bacteria decided it had better things to do and didn't want to stick around.
Dude this one weird story inconsistency has destroyed my brain many times over. Edit: wait a minute! I can't believe no one has thought of this! Ok, so the Khaara antidote thing you can find in below zero is crafted with flora specific to sector zero, and whatever gives the flora these properties has likely spread throughout the ecosystem, perhaps via snow stalkers, as Preston is show to be omnivorous, so other snow stalkers likely consumed the aforementioned plants and some may have drowned by getting lost under the glaciers, and pengulls and the various carnivorous fish may have feasted on their carcasses!
Theres alot of Story Inconsistencies in Below Zero... might have something to do with the story being scrapped like what? 5 times before they settled on something? Ironically the one for Marguerit isn't very inconsistent as many people pointed out eating a peeper with an enzyme trail halts the progress of the Kharaa, and the fact cure ingredients were at Site Zero. Having both experience gathering samples and working with Bart Torgal to maintain both a source of food and to attempt to find a cure for the Kharaa. With Bart's experiments ending with Leviathans due to their higher resistance to the bacterium. Likely from consuming peepers as a result, and with the only food source and shelter out in the void being the Reaper corpse she likely had to consume its flesh which staved off the Kharaa until her immune system managed to counteracted the weakened bacterium or she gathered the new flora and fauna at site zero
@@francisharkins Yeah but you realize that as the enzyme traveled up the food chain the amount found in the reaper would likely be way less than that which could be found in the number of enzyme host peepers eaten by the carnivores eaten by the reapers, this stuff gets digested, you know.
@@logandothewarlock6043 True, which is why I said or.... or at least I thought I did lol. Its most likely she got super lucky and her immune system actually managed to fight of the Kharaa. Who truly knows though. Sadly the story was scrapped 5 times for Below Zero so it could be anything.
Maida is a mercenary. She very likely traveled a LOT and received numerous innoculations that most ordinary people wouldn't. It's also possible that in her travels she may have fallen ill with one or more diseases or bacterium that had been undiscovered at that time, and naturally developing the antibodies to those illnesses gave her a better chance of fighting off the Kharaa.
The Kharaa bacterium on 4546B had a thousand years to evolve properties which specifically allowed it to infect the yellow-blooded native organisms of that world. Possibly, in adapting to more effectively go after that one specific biosphere's life forms, it incidentally became less lethal to creatures with a *non*-4546B biochemistry.
When chuck noris meets Marguerit they shake hands respect each other and go along their way because they know it would be a even fight that would last for eternaty
Simple, realistic explanation. If disease does not kill 100% of infected (common case) then she recovered from illness by her own. This is how it works in the real world. Pretty much always someone survives illness.
"Possibility #5: Ever Leviathan is Immune to Kharaa" The frozen ancient leviathan in Sector Zero wasn't. But it's ancient and perhaps it uniquely lacked enzyme 42 or the enzyme adapted after it was frozen. Perhaps the disease wiped out a significant percentage of the biomass on the planet and what life has been encountered are the descendants of the survivors. The games said biodiversity is unusually high in the Crater and Sector Zero, which would be consistent with why those sites were of interest to Alterra/Xenoworx.
I think you're either mixing up what a Ghost Leviathan is or you thought you saw it and didn't because the game's code doesn't allow that to happen. I could be wrong but I've never seen that before and I've played this game for a very long time. As for the Frozen Leviathan, that can be easily explained. It likely just had a different common ancestor since it lived in Sector Zero instead of the Crater.
Maybe the Kharaa isn't as deadly for humans that it is for the Architects. Until our character "cures" the planet with the help of the Emperor, none of the people we "know" is dead because of the disease. They all died from other things.
Or maybe Kharaa was *never* 100% lethal, even among the Architects. We only know that had killed over 143 billion of them at the time of the 4546B labs' disaster. What we *don't* know is whether their total population numbered in the billions, the trillions, or even the quadrillions at the time.
Bacteria have a tendency to lay dormant when they are in environments not suited for growth. It might be possible that Marguerit saved herself by half-starving herself and living in such a cold and inhospitable environment that the Kharra remained dormant or at least progressed very slowly until the cure arrived.
"Starving and cold" wouldn't be good conditions for Marguerit's own tissues to grow in. The bacteria, unfortunately, wouldn't need her body's tissues to be healthy or well-fed to utilize them as a food source, any more than bacteria in a rotten log need the tree to still be living to consume it via decomposition.
@@sharondornhoff7563 this isn’t how sickness works. Bacteria causes functions of your body to stop working by physically blocking them. If I have appendicitis and take out my appendix I live, Bacteria doesn’t eat your body it eliminates the good bacteria in your body and damages your functions and then continues with decomposition. Your immune system has to be completely subjugated (like organ failure) and the conditions in your body have to be pretty good for the bacteria to start consuming you alive. Since it’s too cold the Kharaa strain on the planet (which mutated to survive in the lava zone) probably wouldn’t be able to reproduce much in sector 0.
my idea is that she was observant enough to notice the enzyme carrying peepers at the vents and possibly limited her diet to them and plants. eating enzyme carrying peepers helped her keep the infection at bay until Ryleh released the sea dragon babies and then she got her cure from them much like Ryleh did.
But if she did this she would of informed the others as then she would have a better chance to catching food but for them to realise this they would first encounter the bacteria.
Yep. I have to go with #7. The story writers were rushed into a sloppy storyline. Consider how bad some of the dialog between _scientist_ Robin and _scientist_ Alan is. Consider how disjointed some of the conversations on voicelogs sounds. Consider that Alan was on 4546B to find a cure for Kharaa yet barely talks about it when it comes up and never shows any interest in the cure that now exists. Wouldn't Alan be concerned about Alterra considering trying to exploit Kharaa? Wouldn't he mention bringing some of enzyme 42 to his homeworld? The writing for BZ was sloppily as hell and was probably a result of the writers being pressured into rewriting part of the story with limited time and too many constraints.
Dude to be real, writers are artists have so much constant pressure on them, not every story line is going to be as insanely detailed as you’d like. They may not have elaborated on too much, but at this rate what can you do. Get angry at over worked writers?
@@lobsterspasta angry at the writers? Just the opposite. I realize they were rushed to throw something together that fits in with most of the framework of what had been completed in the game already. If anything I blame the execs or whoever was responsible for scrapping the old story and trying to rush a new story without giving enough time and resources to get it right. They may have even been forced into it by circumstances like financial limitations or poor initial planning. Such is the hazards of game development for relatively small studios. At least they're apparently working on a new game in the Subnautica universe. Fingers crossed they can pull off another great game. I'm here for it.
@@jakubgrono9070 Leviathans are categorized by size, literally explained in the games lore. Size is what gives them the title of Leviathan, not some special ability or anything like that, tho it is mentioned that most of the Leviathans on the planet have developed an ability to create enzyme 42, but the Emperor species is the only one capable of producing a potent version of it in general.
I have one theory that might not make any sense if dug into, but perhaps Kharaa, like Covid has over the past few years, mutated and produced new strains over time. The deadly version is the most prevalent, but maybe Marguerite had the fortune to catch a much weaker strain, and was able to recover
Well don't forget during her 3 week journey she was in extreme conditions, she didn't have shelter from the harsh sun or any weather, she had food and a rough way to get fire but she would die from dehydration within 3 days since the water is undrinkable the harsh sunlight would give her sunburn and further the process of dehydration and the ocean acts like a magnifier glass and drinking pee is worst than sea water and wouldn't be able to sustain her for the 3 weeks, you could argue that the reapers blood she could survive on but that isn't very likely since its blood. And she somehow survives that she would be so physically weak that it would be impossible for her immune system to fight the bacteria. And that isn't even mentioning all the creatures in the dead zone that imminently agresses onto you if you step into the dead zone.
I have another theory to add on to number 5. What if the leviathans don’t have a common ancestor, but it’s convergent evolution! What do we know about reefbacks, ghost leviathans and sea emperors? 1. They all cannot be infected in game and 2. They are all filter feeders My theory is that to digest the planktonic organisms of 4546B, all these separate species developed something similar in chemical composition to enzyme 42. Reapers are the only likely predators of reefbacks, and sea dragons share a recent common ancestor with sea emperors. The only hole in this theory is the sea treader Edit: perhaps the sea treader shares a common ancestor with a once filter feeding ancient fish. Idk, it’s a big plot hole
This question is actually answered canonically in Bellow Zero, but in a very roundabout "blink and you miss it" way. Margaret's log in the greenhouse mention that she is "craving" a salad. "Huh? I hear you say? In bellow zero, after you find the antibiotic to clear the dead leviathan of the disease, you then have it in your PDA as something you can make. It requires 1x Frost Vase Plant and 1x Fevered Pepper. Seems to me that these must have antibiotic nature that effect Kharaa. Margaret has been munching on salad's containing these ever since, hence survived. Other animals in the area must have also been eating these and adding the cure to the food chain (and their droppings into the water) explaining why life survived in this area.
In biology contaminants become more dense inside organisms higher in the food chain. Since the reaper leviathan is at the top of the food chain, the enzyme could’ve built up so if she ate the reaper, she would’ve gotten much more of the enzyme then eating just a single peeper.
Perhaps the reason leviathan class lifeforms seem to be immune to the bacterium is similar to the lack of cancer in huge creatures such as whales. I recommend watching Kurzgesagt's video on this as I don't know the details.
i had always just assumed that sector zero was cold enough to completely halt or severely slow the disease to the point where she could survive the ten years until that emperor leviathan juvenile grew up came along to cure the sector of the disease
If the Kharaa stages took so long within the body. The immune system probably grown a immunity to the Kharaa overtime. In the game when you get infected, if you scan yourself the PDA will say your immune system will began fighting the Kharaa before the first stage meaning that maybe her immune system grown a immunity.
"If other leviathan could produce the enzyme then why didn't the architects use them to make a cure." They tried to. It's specifically said by AL-AN after you build him his body and when he's telling his story that he was in change of the mission to 4645b and that the architects had noticed that the sea dragon leviathan were able to fight off the karaar bacterium so they tried to incubate sea dragon eggs in the facility in the lost river which eventually lead to the sea dragon parent attacking the facility and releasing the bacterium to the whole planet.
The only reason Al-An ordered the eggs to be taken was to study their hatching process, due to their similarity to the Sea Emperors. Nowhere in either games is it mentioned that Sea Dragons are immune.
@@FreedomPuppy it's a very reasonable assumption to make considering how closely related the sea dragon leviathans and sea emperors were, is it so unreasonable to try and find a cure in a different yet similar species when the one they were currently working with wasn't working? You gotta remember how desperate the architects were.
Since I found out that she’s Marguerite…I just figured maybe she’s immune to the disease. Maybe one of the very few who are. But thinking back to one of Bart’s voice logs when he mentions that they ALL are showing symptoms and such…I guess we’ll never really know unless the Devs decide to answer that 😅
Maybe because the reaper she was living in had some sort of immunity or wasn’t very infected so it wasn’t as sped up as eating a peeper. Maybe leviathans have a small immunity like how they studied dragon leviathans for that reason.
They studied the Sea Dragon (eggs, not the species itself) because they needed to figure out how to hatch the Sea Emperor eggs. I'd really love for you to show me where they reference these things though.
I think a sea dragon trashed their base since Paul says that it looked like a kracken and it had tentacles and was bigger than a cyclops while a reaper has the same size as the cyclops
makes sense, but how would Margueit get a Sea Dragon there in the first place, and then theres the whole floating on the dead reaper across the void which proves it's a reaper
if you listen closely to Degasi voice log #9, you can hear the roar of the leviathan at the end right before it tore through their base. It sounds too close to a Reaper to be a Sea Dragon. That being said though, I originally thought it was the adult Ghost Leviathan that liked to circle around not too far away from that base before I doubled back and found the voice log for completionist purposes so I ultimately guessed wrong too.
Very interesting theories speedy. I believe that the reason why sector Zero and Marguerit were not annihilated by the bacterium is because specifically the cold climate, since diseases can’t live, or are severely weakened in cold climates
Unless marg spread it there is no species that travels between the crater and sector zero. Wouldn't that explain it? Because Kharaa came from the disease research facility.
During the original storyline for below zero and beta of the game. I remember sea emperors being apart of it and there being a sea emperor in sector zero. The model was unfortunately cut from the game when the story was changed after the deep dive update. I’m not sure if that sea emperor is one of the offsprings of the one in the original subnuatica but it could’ve been an original idea for Marguerit to have encountered that leviathan there and get cured from that one which would explain why sector zero was still able to survive the kharaa bacteria. But hey that’s just an idea…
The change makes sense as the Sea Emperor possibly only has eggs once a life time (according to pda in 1st game) and BZ takes place 2yrs after the first game so it wouldn't make sense for the emperor in BZ to be the offspring of the juveniles from Subnautica
Your body has a weapon to fight every disease, and the reason people die to diseases, is because your either at a very sensitive age, the disease is very deadly and works fast, the disease isn’t effected by your body’s defenses, or your immune system takes a hella long time getting it’s defenses ready. Marguerit most likely is just naturally more defensive against this specific threat. She could still be at high risk for other diseases.
Another possibility is there is something that fights the Kharaa bacteria in the Below Zero location. In nature, bacteria compete with other types of bacteria all the time, so perhaps there could be some bacterial agent that fights the Kharaa bacteria. The reason this wouldn't work as a cure could be it very climate-sensitive, or it had harmful effects on the Precursors.
The theory about leviathans producing their own enzyme similar to enzyme 42 makes actual total sense, as I never understood why The Architects understood that Sea emperor leviathans produced it in a concentrated form, yet they incubated Sea DRAGON eggs, completely different yet probably related. Furthermore, with console commands, you can infect any creature with kharaa with the spawn command and a specific tag you put after the creature name i believe, however, this only works on non-leviathan creatures. (this could just be an oversight tbh).
They experimented on Sea Dragon eggs because Sea Dragons and Sea Emperors are evolutionary cousins. Sea Emperors bred so seldom that they probably couldn't *find* enough eggs to risk the few they had in experimentation.
I have a follow-up on theory #4, it is possible that the factor that caused the disease to become docile, or put into hibernation was the extreme cold temperatures of the subnautica below zero biome. Think about it, diseases can be affected with different temperatures, with periodical exposure to extreme colds, as Marguerit would not be in the freezing water all the time, the constant and extreme changes in temperature could have caused kharaa to constantly go from hibernation to waking up, preventing it to be able to adapt to a certain environment. And this also answers the question as to why the architects didn't use this method to cure themselves, because not only does it not cure them, as well as not being able to be replicated due to the insane task of turning the whole planet (or even an island) into a frozen tundra. I'm no disease professor, but this theory seems pretty airtight as far as im concerned.
Hence the reason you wont get infected from being near the Frozen Leviathan, and will simply see the living, albiet docile pustules of it on the creature
15:12 Possibility #8 She is one tough SOB... lol You have to admit she IS very forthright and tougher than nails!!! Her fortitude is the stuff of legends!
maybe in the first possibility the Kharaa wasn't as deadly to humans years ago and evolved in the current era due to how it couldn't kill her for some reason or she had a stronger immune system to the disease because she had been a merc for a long time putting her in contact with a good amount of wildlife and potential diseases her immune system fought off and it gave the Kharaa a difficult time due to it.
Still feels silly she's even alive, would the bloating of the reaper really compensate for the weight of the Prawn suit? amongst other things. Feels like they just didn't want to make a new character to use.
@@ThatCringeCalledIggleboz Yea, most likely found some in the wreck of Mercury II, there are few around that site. It was never mentioned, that she killed the Reaper using a Prawn suit, but a sharp piece of metal. She wouldn't need a sharp metal, if she could just use a Prawn suit.
Here’s my headcanon: The other Leviathans do produce a similar enzyme to 42, but as you said, they don’t leave their bodies, and the Precursors didn’t eat them and neither did Ryley. But since Maida ate part of the reaper, she got cured
One slight thing: before being removed Emperor Leviathans were found in the lilypads. The same place Marguerite took shelter. It shows that while they may not be back yet, the region is a natural environment for them. So its possible that the lilypad biome still has enough enzyme 42 in its system circulating
The fact that life exists in BZ and Regular Subnautica isn't a plot hole, it's actually strongly implied in both games. In Regular Subnautica, one of the PDA logs says that life on the crater underwent rapid adaptation for "some reason," which is strongly implied to be as a result of Kharaa being introduced into the water. What this means is that most fish in 4546B were indeed killed, but those that survived had such a high chance of reproducing in comparison that rapid evolution underwent as a combination of surviving the disease and filling the now missing niches. So I think it's a combination of Possibilities 1, 2, 5, and 6. Maida was simply able to better hold off the disease, and that combined with her eating the flesh of the Reaper bought her enough time for her immune system to overcome the bacterium. Remember, the Degasi Survivors were in the Deep Grand Reef for months, which already shows the disease progressing way slower in their systems. That little edge could easily have been enough to beat it entirely.
Speedy ur going abt this wrong, after my 1200 hours in sub 1 i can conclude that the purple vents from below zero spews out heated up enzyme 42 which is able to completely kill khaara, also the leviathans dont get infected as they made the khaara which is a robot and released it throughout the world to weaken prey, a reaper told me. Seriously tho, great job on the video!
My theory is that she was never infected to begin with. In the Degasi logs Bart only notes that she was coughing, he doesn't mention that she had any other symptoms.
Fun theory: The Khaara functions like tetanus, with the side-effect of violent seizures being the real thing that kills. A compound inhaled from Burning Reaper fat, or contained in one of its edible organs causes neurotransmitter blockage on the post-synaptic cleft similar to a benzodiazepine, lessening the seizure effects and giving Margie's immune system an unusually long opportunity to combat the infection. Also fun if she caught and ate a Mesmer which is just as likely. Given it's a bacterial life form it's more than reasonable that Margie just lucked out and her immune system managed to kick it old school. Given that any answer is likely retcon anyway, this is a perfectly serviceable explanation. The chance of her riding a reaper body to site zero is probably way less likely than her immune system triumphing over an alien bacterium. A note on symptoms: She wouldn't have been naturally immune to the initial infection. Developing symptoms and even getting very sick is more likely than having no symptomatic presentation at all.
My personal pet theory is that when the Architects outfitted the Primary Containment Facility, they equipped its water-circulation system with seven alien vents, not six. The seventh was specifically designed to cool down the inflow into the Sea Emperor's tank, to counter the ambient heat of the Active Lava Zone. As the tropical Crater's temperature wasn't nearly low enough to do the job, the seventh vent was installed in Sector Zero, linked to the PCF via a miniature and permanently-open transport arch. This mechanism was still in good working order when Ryley discovered the Facility, although he never found a way down into the deeper pipe network, so didn't learn of this mini-gateway to the polar sea. To keep the tank's ecological mix from being contaminated by invasive arctic species, the vent's intake opening was equipped with a finer-grade mesh than the ones in the Crater; hence, we don't see any arctic peepers or arrow rays sneaking into Her Imperial Majesty's residence. But the Architects didn't much care about the arctic ecosystem's integrity - they needed Big Mama alive for research, not the cold-water critters - so the exit door of the vent remained traversable to peepers. While most enzyme-bearing fish went straight back to the Crater, a small percentage of them took a wrong turn in the pipe network and ended up in Sector Zero. Being tropical, they quickly froze to death, but their carcasses' load of enzymes still got consumed by scavengers or absorbed by flora, thus introducing Enzyme 42 to the regional food chain and keeping Sector Zero alive as a second refugium for 4546B's native species. Eventually, after the Facility's monitoring equipment discerned that the old Sea Emperor Leviathan had died, the PCF's water-circulation system shut down and all seven vents deactivated. With no more currents flowing through them, seabed silt and debris quickly covered all of them, which is why Robyn never finds the seventh vent during her own sojourn. But, because the Emperor had clung to life after the hatching in order to share her telepathic parting words with Ryley, the circulation of water kept going long enough for a good strong dose of the pure Enzyme 42 - the dollops which the hatchlings deposit in the tank itself, before they leave - to be sent through the vent to Sector Zero. This preserved the polar organisms for a few months' time, until the juvenile Emperors' enzymes could spread globally. As for Marguerit, I suspect she may have gotten lucky: when setting up her greenhouse, she harvested flora and silt from the seabed as an initial growth medium. If the place where she collected that substrate just happened to lie immediately downstream from the seventh vent, it'd be especially rich in enzymes. Indeed, the vegetation there would be conspicuously lush and healthy, encouraging her to harvest that particular patch of silt for her gardening. Without even knowing it, Marge would have been giving herself a daily dose of Enzyme 42 - absorbed from the substrate into the crops she grew - with every fresh salad she ate, and Preston, a dose with every purple fruit treat she fed him for being a good doggie. 🙂
my theory about marguerit is that she has a powerfull imune system as human imune systems technically have a cure to everything but its a matter of time and because of her tough nature it could have allowed her to survive the kharaa
I came to believe it was eating the Reeper that saved her. I remembered the PDA that said the Leviathans may be the cure. I just assumed that is how she survived after seeing she was in Below Zero.
I believe in theory #6. Sometimes, the most simple explanation is the correct one: Maida was just lucky enough to become immune/be cured due to a sequence of several factors. Maybe she was more resilient to the Kharaa than others and, since she passed more time hunting/exploring in the water, most likely was more exposed to the peppers who carried the incomplete enzyme 42. After that, she may have simply developed immunity on her own, or allowed her to survive long enough to consume the Reaper Leviathans enzyme 42 and be cured.
My problem with the leviathans having a cure theory is that the PDA tells us that the leviathan clad creatures are not all closely related, and is merely a classification of size, not a taxonomic classification. Yes, it’s clear that the sea dragon and emperor are closely related, but I’m sure that some small predatory creature like a bone shark is more closely related to the reaper than a reef back is, despite them both being called leviathans.
I’m thinking it might weaken the host and eventually kill the host similar to tuberculosis maybe even make the host see things I believe Bart (or whatever his name was ) said in his final pda that he saw something in the dark like a sea glide
The fifth one is, imo, right. (Below Zero spoilers ahead.) Maida does say something in her Below Zero logs--along the lines of "what I needed was inside it" (re: the Reaper Leviathan). She's already infected in Subnautica, and knows the Leviathans hold the secret (this is why she's capturing/killing them), but doesn't know how. She eats Reaper flesh hoping it'll help as she floats toward Sector Zero. This isn't likely to do with Leviathan diets, as you mention, as the Leviathans were resistant/immune before the enzyme was released (this is why the aliens were studying them to begin with, before the enzyme was released into the Peeper/vent system). My assumption is that that's exactly what happens: she eats Reaper meat, and this holds something that helps her body fight the Kharaa. They WERE trying to use other Leviathans, by the way--that's what went wrong; the Sea Dragon smashed the laboratory to get to the Sea Dragon baby/eggs that Al-an's team were experimenting with, and accidentally released the disease onto the planet. The other plot holes in Below Zero are far worse imo, and have to likely do with its writing team leaving halfway through & the plot being entirely rewritten. Ex. how did entire Sector Zero survive Kharaa to begin with? It's too far from the Sea Emperor system. We know a juvenile Emperor was cut early on, so it was implied that it was keeping the place safe, but if it was one of the released babies that was way too recent to explain Sector Zero's overall survival. "Cold" isn't likely; the crashed Mercury II's crew was infected with Kharaa in Sector Zero, implying it was carried there. Also, why did Sam make a cure but then hide it in a hole and just try to blow that Leviathan up..? Why not cure the dead Leviathan? And lastly, why did the crews of all the Alterra stations just... leave? The Kharaa was under control; the potentially VERY lucrative bases were all still present, the frozen Leviathan still infected and accessible. Why did the staff all abandon the planet..? And why didn't Al-an want to bring the cure when he departs the planet?!
They weren't trying to use other leviathans though? They took the eggs to figure out how to hatch Sea Emperor eggs, and that's it. Leviathans in general aren't immune to begin with.
@@FreedomPuppy No, they were using others. They took Sea Dragon Leviathan eggs and experimented on those in the Lost River facility, and the Sea Dragon (whose skeleton is found in Lost River) smashed her skull trying to break in, destroying the facility. That's how Kharaa got out to begin with on the planet. In the original game, it was implied that all Leviathans were immune--all other creatures could passively get the bacteria except Leviathans; they were top of the food chain so their stomach enzymes apparently nullified disease somehow. In the sequel, which was... poorly written, to say the least, there's a Leviathan that had Kharaa--so it was lore-wise downgraded to "resistant" instead of "immune."
@@FeralSheWolf They took the Sea Dragon's egg, but not to study it for the cure, they were trying to figure out, how to hatch the Sea Emperor eggs, due to their species genetical similarities. So no, they weren't studying other Leviathans, they focused on the Sea Emperor solely. She was their main goal, as she was the only known source of the enzyme to them.
@@Croftice1 They were studying multiple leviathans there, actually, and had a juvenile trapped if you'll remember the skull--the Disease Research Facility data entries explain that they're testing all of them for disease immunity. They have a number of Leviathan eggs and embryos and note that the babies aren't yet resistant.
@@FeralSheWolf the frozen leviathan is a distant ancestor at best and completely unrelated to any leviathans in the crater, not to mention that the kharaa could have easily killed all non immune leviathans, leaving only the immune ones in the breeding populous
How about this; Marguerit was pretty resistant to the Kharaa disease but still got infected and sick, yet it didnt kill her. When she travelled on the back of the reaper, she temporarily stopped the progression of the infection and when she arrived in sector zero she found the enzyme in the water. I know that sounds pretty really random and stupid but do you guys remember that in the original first early acces of subnautica below zero, the children of the sea emperor swam around in the deeper parts of sector zero, spreading the enzyme? I feel like the plot hole is in the part where they scrapped the juvinile sea emperors!
She couldn’t have survived long enough to get the enzyme, I actually got my numbers wrong, 10 years before riley got there was when she got to sector zero
@@giannismith5041 hence why i said she was probably really resistant to it. Although didn’t ryley build a rocket? you know we’re playing from someone else’s POV in below zero right?
@@kawgum3718you said Marguerit survived because of the enzyme in the water, are you talking about enzyme 42?, if you are I don’t believe she could have lived 10 years to get said enzyme
It's also possible that she just wasn't lethally effected. Diseases IRL have a distinct aversion to 100% mortality rates, as that's an evolutionary dead end for them. Diseases need living beings to reproduce, so the most successful evolutionarily are ones that don't kill everyone. However, we know the precursors were especially susceptible to Kharaa due to their unique DNA structure, explaining why it was 100% lethal to them. It's also possible that contact to numerous alien contaminations prior to the trip the 4548b had already strengthened her immune system. After all, she was an accomplished mercenary, so this likely wasn't her first time on an alien world.
i think that Marguerit rlly found the alien vents and cured peepers, but she found it alone. From on of PDAs you can discover that Marguerit wasnt keen on telling eveythiong to Torgals. For example: When she went out and brought a lot of Stalker teeth and didnt tell where she did get so much of them. So Imo some combination of Theory #3 and #4
In subnautica in the databank in advanced theory’s under enzyme host peeper it says “chemical analysis of enzyme: ~Bears some superficial similarity to the stomach enzymes of larger predators”
Heat is known to help the body fight viruses, given Maida's hunter build and the fact that she had to keep warm all those years, and possibly the Leviathan Enzyme theory, she could have lasted, and you also have the matter of other foods possibly mixing to help her immune system fight it either for good or until the Enzyme release.
I believe in one of the older pre-release versions, there was a precursor log about how many billions had died and one survived. I believe Marguerite overcame the disease all by herself. When there's a disease, there's always someone who's more resistant to it than the others. It's similar to the black death. Most people died but some survived it and never got it again so they were tasked with burying the bodies of the deceased.
I think she might've survived because she ate the reaper leviathan flesh and since you really don't see reapers with the Kharaa infection it must've had anti-bacterial properties like Enzyme-42, which could've killed the infection or gave her an immunity.
That, or any reapers that get kharaa just die really quickly and thus we don't see them. However I do believe that the Margaurit eating the reaper theory is the most plausible
There is a plot hole in theory 5 because we know the sea dragons that were being tested are what released kara into 456b. This means leviathans aren’t fully immune. I like the video and the ideas keep it up.
It's not the tested Sea Dragons (well Sea Dragon's eggs in fact, they never tested the Sea Dragon itself), it's the attack of the Sea Dragon, that came for it's eggs, that released the bacterium. The Precursors/Architects found the bacterium on a different planet and took it to 4546B to study it and to find a cure. The Sea Dragon's attack really doesn't have anything to do with Leviathan class organism's immunity. It's just a combination of events, that led to the bacterium outbreak on 4546B. The Architects found a bacterium somewhere, they got infected, it was killing them, so they went to places in search for a cure, found 4546B, established an outpost, a research lab and some other stuff, found out, that a specific creature is immune (the Sea Emperor), took it (and her eggs), tried to research it's immunity, didn't find a solution, so they noticed that Sea Dragons are quite similar to Sea Emperors, took an egg of that creature to find out, how to hatch the eggs of the other one, but the mom of this new egg tracked them down and attacked, which leads to the bacterium outbreak. See? There's no mention of either all leviathans being immune, or just the Sea Emperor. Nothing that confirms either of that here.
She probably just got lucky in the genetic lottery. When the black plague struck hundreds of years ago, a lot of people perished, but there were also some who had the right genetics to be able to resist the virus. A similar situation could've occurred here.
What if, since its VERY cold in sector zero, the disease is slowed like putting food in a freezer, and then it was slower in affecting her, and then eating peepers, which have trace amounts of enzyme 42, would slow the infection significantly. There is also the chance that reapers have a small amount of immunity from Kharaa and eating the meat prolonged her further
This is literally all the reasons why she survived longer, she ate peepers that had trace amounts of enzyme 42, she ate a Reaper leviathan which in game story lore literally says all Leviathans have the ability or has trace amounts of this enzyme in their stomach cavity just not as highly potent as the Emperor species. Also being in the cold slows down any virus/disease/infection from developing, it can literally completely stop it from spreading at all, it won't kill it but it will stop it from even developing in any way. This also explains why the disease even survived on that dead Frozen Leviathan as it was feeding off of it's dead corpse or just simply surviving on it. We have seen videos of people uncovering ice age creatures that were dead 100x longer but still had tissues and diseases that could be studied and identified. Not to mention the body and skin of those creatures were frost bitten, rotten and decaying and completely destroyed. This is barely more than 1000 years old and the body is still fully intact.
I think there is one other reason, Marguerit has biological enhancements. One of the other members of the degassi mentions that he can get a new liver to keep living, some off market organ enhancements just screams "THIS IS SOMETHING MARGUERIT WOULD HAVE"
The Kharaa infecting Marguerit could have changed making itself more subtle or long lasting. Part of what makes the Kharaa so deadly is cause it mutates at a rapid pace. Maybe the rapid change in environment Marguerit kept doing made the Kharaa think it'd spread more if it layed low rather then instantly killing its host. Then Barts strain killed him because he settled on the floating island. Plus she "traveled" for weeks on that dead Reaper. A fast mutating bacteria might sense that forcing itself to become docile for a time. The way I see it is If ur moving environments rapidly like Marguerit and Ryley, it goes "Oh were spreading lots yay let's stay here for a bit" well if ur stagnant like Bart was near his end, or the fake doctor trapped in his pod, or most medium-large fish on 4546B (as in they rarely leave specific biomes) then the Bacterium would think "huh I'm not spreading fast enough maybe if i UNALIVE this person they'll be eaten so I can spread". Or at least that's the theory that makes the most sense to me
Idk what’s more impressive, the fact that this chick just casually brought a reaper leviathan to the other two for them to study, or that she then fought a live reaper leviathan with NO PRAWN SUIT and won
She hunted the kharaa. She built a bigger boat out of kharaa cells and hunted bigger kharaa. She kept going until there wasn't any kharaa left in Sector Zero to hunt her.
Actually, I think she was never infected. I’m not sure how the virus works, but one thing that I thought was interesting was the fact that when she scanned it, it just said that she had a rash it’s entirely possible. She didn’t actually have the virus at that point and just had symptoms that appeared similar to theirs, then later on when she eats the leviathan to survive and subzero, she has the enzymes that make it so she’s able to survive and doesn’t actually get the disease. Fighting a disease you already have versus becoming immune before you are subjected to it or two different things I think the leviathan the equivalent of a shot. They were already used to the virus and had ample enzymes to fight off and therefore became a vaccine of sorts. I’ll have to rewatch the video and figure out who said what because I came up with this theory while I was half asleep from watching all the videos
The Architects BROUGHT the Kharaa to 4546B quite awhile before Subnautica (I think 1000 yrs) so the Kharaa on 4546B could've adapted to the watery planet and hence this strain didn't have as strong as an effect on land-based creatures, making it possible that Marguerit could've lasted longer due to this coupled with the fact that she most likely would've had cybernetic/biological enhancements seeing as she is a mercenary
The Reaper immunity thing actually makes a whole lot of sense, and would best apply to Marguerit given the Reaper diet she lived off for weeks. It's very possible the Leviathans all have a similar Kharaa immunity to the Sea Emperor and it just wasn't nearly efficient enough to serve as a cure for the entire Architect population, but it worked wonders for Marguerit's situation.
Short answer: She's Marguerit Maida, that's why My headcanon is that she's alive the same reason everything else is alive, she just got lucky. That something that kept everything else alive also kept her alive. All the other survivors were out of their element and complete outsiders, but Maida? She immediately acclimated herself to the environment and became part of the ecosystem around her, probably exposing her to the same resistance that most other surviving creatures on the planet had
The Architects DID try to study other leviathan class life forms to see if their enzymes would help find a cure, which is how the bacterium got released in the first place. You can find the skull of a Sea Dragon Leviathan outside the busted-open containment facility in the Lost River, and AL-AN tells you that they were trying to study the young of a leviathan, and their facility was not strong enough to hold off the assault of an adult leviathan.
I think she wasn’t immune at first but eating the reaper enzyme plus the decade might’ve created basis that helped her body build a immunity to the sickness
For the first counter to point 5, they did. The Precursors tried to study a Sea Dragon egg, but the facility was torn apart, and they probably decided it was a bad idea to study the Leviathans, other than the Emperor, which was old and wouldn’t be able to do much damage.
You've got it wrong, they studied a Sea Dragon egg in order to find out how to hatch the Sea Emperor's eggs. That was their main goal. They weren't researching other Leviathans for the cure, they were solely focused on the Sea Emperor, just tried the Sea Dragon's egg due to their genetical similarity.
@@Croftice1 It’s reasonable to assume they would have also learned about the Sea Dragon’s immunity as well and studied it, and they still would not try again except with leviathans like the Reefback.
Marguerite Maida is the most badass character in subnautica ngl.. she defeated reaper and survive all the way from the grand reef to the other side of planet
