HOW DID TENPENNY LOSE CONTROL OVER BIG SMOKE? | GTA SAN ANDREAS 

Yep bc he's an opportunist

And also he knew that Tenpenny was a snake who is giving him an opportunity. But it doesn’t mean they would be allies really,

Well, it seems like it 🤔

Not only that. He was attracted to money and power too.

@@cristianoaventador2282 he wanted to be like Scarface

Yeah, it's not that easy to spot those little moments where Big Smoke hints at his future betrayal 😄 If you are interested to see more of these moments, we recommend watching this video 😉 -> ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-eZ9LODW07eo.html

He knew they were onto him. I don’t even know about rider.

​@@luisjaime2567 Ryder never betrayed the GSF, his character was trashed because Rockstar had issues with his voice actor.

@@justinerivera2519 the voice actor had an issue with the voice Director is what they were saying

@@luisjaime2567 yeah I think it was about the pay of the VA's fee or something

Yeah, you're totally right! 🙂 Actually, we have a weird feeling that if the attempt of assassinating Sweet on Grove Street was successful, then nobody could stop CRASH unit and Big Smoke really. As for the witness and the dossier you pointed out, it's really hard to determine the content of the dossier. One thing is certain though: it was something against the CRASH unit. And about Mike Toreno, we presume that such shifts in government agencies occur pretty often, you know. Of course, some of the goals are reached, but when something goes wrong, the agency tries to find a way to turn it into something positive for them and their "clients". And we can imagine that the CIA probably started seeing Big Smoke as a monster they created partly and wanted to be eliminated so helping CJ in the end was a good move.

@@gaminginvestigators A DEA agent exchanging dossier with an FBI agent

@@gaminginvestigators Good points. The ambiguity of the dossier is what makes it's hard to give it a place in the story. So yeah, that is just speculation on my end. And yeah, I think that Mike was left holding the bag with the Loco Syndicate (you got us into this mess, you get us out), which made him rethink his strategy and use Sweet as leverage. Long term thinking.

His plans after san Andreas: (After killing CJ, tenpenny An the gang) Build more crack fortresses. Get a number 9. Also start a family (wife kids etc) Then he goes broke. Carrying a sign saying number 9 Or bust.

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Very funny

Absolutely, my man! 👍

Sweet was the worst of them all. A complete pain in the ass, plus believing that the hood is all there is. CJ started a business in San Fierro, has a steak in the casino, and became Madd Dogg's manager, and Sweet still says "this is where our lives will end". Dense, so dense...

Sweet might be a stuck up ineffective leader but you can’t justify Smoke’s betrayal by saying that gang would’ve probably failed anyways had Sweet stayed in power. It’d be like justifying Dimitri’s actions because his boss/friend has an unstable and violent temper.

Right? For five years all Sweet did was blame CJ and let things go down the toilet for The Families. It doesn’t justify Smoke and the others turning traitor, but Sweet should have seen/stopped it.

@@ErminDedicNTHe is a sad little man, in a little world.

I'm guessing that the gsf members who became ballas are probably those who shares big smoke's desire to enrich themselves by selling drugs.. the ones that got disbanded are those who are loyal to sweet and cj..

@@99mrpogi I guess they joined the Ballas out of necessity to survive too. Those who dropped their flags altogether probably became drug addicts, such as the ones in Ganton.

@@justsomeguy747 yeah.. the loyalists of cj and sweet are too depressed they lost their morale and remained in that state until the events of homecoming

Exactly! 🙂

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Hahaha, what a spot on! 😂 This really doesn't make any sense, well unless he was talking about his foster mother. 😁

@@gaminginvestigators maybe his mother spoke to him before she died?

@@nittayoshifumi8252 and maybe he has a cousin named Mary from Mexico 😂

​@@miguelpasamano4995maybe everybody is his cousin!

@@bananagaming1800 maybe he's full of shit!

He was also awesome in vice city but yeah I too hated/despised him in 5 as well

​@@josephtapia4384why I haven't played GTA v though

That's for sure!

Was it wrong tho?gang wars would be over if sweet agreed to work with him and other gangs

Yes. It was in the wrong. Grove Street was smart enough not to touch hard drugs. Sweet was just a lazy leader. CJ was the real leader.

We don't know but perhaps CJ still believed that Big Smoke could be turned back to the light side of the force. Even though he knew about the circumstances of CJ's Moms death, even though he set up a trap for Sweet under Mulholland Intersection, CJ could have this little hope that Big Smoke will change his mind at least slightly. :/

True i think the same and that Smoke would have explainde wjy he did everythimg he did to Carl and Sweet. Such a shame he died the way he did bc he was loyal to GSF untill he saw that Sweet will drag down everybody with him with his passivness and poor desicions for the gang so he wanted to save himself just like the majority of tha GSF gang when they joined forces with the ballas after The Green Sabre mission but he was smarter than everybody else and that was the main thing that made him the big player in LS

To be honest, we are not sure whether CJ would try to get Big Smoke on his side once again. We think there was no coming back from the path Smoke chose. :/

And big smoke would have probably died a hero, ie by way of letting himself die in the crack fortress

It’s still a great game, I don’t get exactly how much people wanted changed from it.

@@MrRyan-wu4jx its just the same game with trash graphics for a full price, people wanted fixed bugs and beta content not This shit.

@@MrRyan-wu4jx Every Definitive Edition game is a buggy mess, and they ended up making every graphical aspect of the game infinitely uglier than before.

That is true :)

This is quite interesting! 🤔 So it seems like Big Smoke could be based not only on Rick "Freeway" Ross but also on Suge Knight. Happy Holidays! 🙂

@@gaminginvestigators I apologize for all the repeat messages, but yep, I think that may indeed be the case. A deadly combination of gangster drug dealer Freeway Ricky and hip-hop music mogul Suge Knight, all rolled into one character. As much as I dislike speculating all of the circumstances, rumors and conspiracy theories surrounding the death of rapper Tupac Shakur (as I'm not 2pac, I wasn't there the night he was shot in Vegas nor have I ever met any of the people he'd known), I remember once reading an article online somewhere in which case people close to Shakur circa the time of his death had claimed that Tupac was about to snitch and go public on the rampant drug dealings/pipeline Suge Knight had been running at the time. According to the article, Tupac heavily disapproved of Knight's drug game for two main reasons: the past struggles his mother Afeni Shakur had with drugs (which at that time had resulted in Tupac distancing himself considerably from his mother, only to later reconnect with her after she'd gotten herself clean), as well as the extreme amount of guilt Pac himself had felt from his own past experiences as a former drug dealer in the streets of South Central L.A. Yet another article I'd once read quoted Tupac in his own words, along the lines of how Tupac said he'd been heart broken when complete strangers whom he'd never met would approach him to buy drugs, via selling their engagement ring. So I think his past foray into drug dealing really had a negative impact on Tupac, who was simply a good guy deep down inside all along, albeit a tad bit rough around the edges due to his unfair life circumstances of poverty and being a victim of prejudice before he'd made it big in the rap game. We also have some actual inkling in real life that this version of events holds at least some form of veracity to it. Keefe D, the yet living uncle to Orlando Andersen (Andersen being the deceased Crip who'd gotten into a scuffle with Tupac at the MGM Grand Casino the night of Tupac's subsequent shooting in Vegas, also rumored to have most likely been Tupac's assassin), was a major, MAJOR big time drug dealing Crip. In fact, the only reason Keefe D ended up running his mouth about how, in his own words, his nephew Orlando was indeed the shooter was because LAPD Investigators had threatened to charge him on the federal level purely over the amount of drug dealing Keefe D had done, lest he took a plea bargain and divulged what he knew concerning the murder of Tupac. What's more, the final nail in the coffin here is that both Suge Knight and Keefe D had been and continued to remain close friends stretching back all the way to their days of high school. Happy Holidays to you all, indeed! May God Bless you all, fans and followers included! 🎄

Both CJ and Big Smoke were the island caricatures of Suge Knight. Like one version is more criminal drug lord type. With dealing with rivaling gangs. And the other one does involve with the music industry. And making a managerial record difference.

@@elperrodelautumo7511 You know, that says a lot, too. If both CJ and Big Smoke are in reality split half-and-half characteristics of a sole person in the real world (with said real-world person actually serving as one of the major inspirations for the storyline of this game), to my mind this tends to speak volumes concerning how that real-world person foolishly circumvents themselves. Given Suge Knight's behavior in real life, I'm most certain there are many ways in which Suge was hypocritically shooting himself in the foot (as the saying goes). And this serves as one of the core messages in this game. Gang members have a great disdain for both the law and police in general, yet if you were to combine the primary colors of both gangs within the game (green + purple) depending on which medium you're working in (e.g. the print industry, or in painting certain types of variant colors such as dioxazine purple + phthalo green = black), you end up getting black or a bluish-black color, or what is also the primary color worn by the majority of police officers in this game. The same concept seems to ring true in regards to the two main casinos featured in this game, too: combining the red, white and blue lights that adorn the facade of CJ and Wu-Zi's Four Dragons Casino at night and you'll most likely end up with a color such as magenta, lavender, pink or any other variation of color akin to the color purple. As CJ ironically squares up against the competing Caligula's Casino decked out in primarily green lighting (the definitive edition seems to have actually split Caligula's in two different colors - turquoise and yellow - which actually produces green when combined). Green of course being representative of Grove Street. There also seems to be other, lesser known elements of the story of 2pac, Suge Knight and the Notorious B.I.G. that tend to crop up in this game. Remember how Tupac's mother Afeni had once been a member of the original Black Panther Party ( with the original Black Panthers having been markedly different from the racist hate group the "New Black Panther Party)? The real life 1960s Black Panther Party eventually ended up splitting into two separate, warring gangs: Bloods vs. Crips. Hence the significance of green + purple = black. Remember the in-game mission where you're taking photos of Ryder, T-Bone Mendez, and government agent Mike Toreno? Well, there's also a well-known documentary concerning both of the murders of Tupac and the Notorious B.I.G. The documentary was directed by Nick Broomfield, and in the documentary Broomfield is actually presented with spy photos of the Notorious B.I.G., provided to him by B.I.G. co-rapper Lil' Cease and Voletta Wallace herself, Biggie's own mother. Both of them inform Broomfield on camera that said photos had been taken by the FBI, who had been saying on the Notorious B.I.G. circa the timing of his death. In the documentary Broomfield subsequently calls the number of an F.B.I. agent given to him by Lil' Cease and Voletta Wallace, with F.B.I. agent on the other line demanding to know how Broomfield ended up with his number.

At the end he was the one who choosed to fight

@@Razed_09 he lost all so he tried to make a stand but i still say big smoke deserved second chance

@@orirotem2298 ok

@@Razed_09 chose*

@@itsbarbiee ya ya I'm not good at english

😂

And relax man

That's a sick strategy 😁

I came to the comments to see if anyone else was going to say the same thing😂😂

Thank you!

Oh well, sometimes we have to go beyond simple words and the storyline, and try to read between the lines and make some possible connections 😁

ikr he why i subbed no offense to new guy but i preffer other guy

You're right, who is narrating?

Yep.

yes

Yes.

Yup

Yeah, many times 😁

There are a lot of them available but a Redux mod will do the job.

Is the vanilla game on PC with the resolution fixes and new hud textures

definitive editions of the games are better than the original stop playing yourself

The mod is called - Definitive Edition.

Except Rockstar made CJ directly oppose cocaine from the get-go, so he wouldn't have agreed to the drug business. Especially since CJ spends the entire game building up businesses so he wouldn't even want the money either

Ryder wasnt never meant too betray

​@@statusxoone7039 Ryder was always meant to betray. He was actually more obvious than Smoke betraying.