How Did The NHL Get To The Point Of Relocating The Arizona Coyotes To Salt Lake City?

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Radio host and 32 Thoughts host Jeff Marek joins the show to digest the death of the Arizona Coyotes. With relocation likely to be announced later this week, Craig, Leah and Jeff discuss how the NHL arrived at this rare moment, its impact on the Phoenix market, Salt Lake City’s prospects for success, and the wisdom of giving Alex Meruelo another chance in the Valley through expansion.
0:00 Intro
1:35 Jeff Marek from 32 Thoughts joins the show
2:05 National perspective on the Coyotes relocation
3:00 How did we get to this point?
5:15 Is Salt Lake City the right market?
7:45 Who is to blame in all of this?
13:10 The impact on a market losing a franchise
17:05 Who gets the Coyotes history?
18:30 What happens if/when Alex Meruelo brings a team back to Arizona?
23:40 Jeff's Coyotes memories
32:45 Petey's thoughts from the last ever Coyotes practice
37:55 Effects of relocation on the Tucson Roadrunners
41:55 Roadrunners relocating to Tempe?
46:45 What to expect at the arena for the last Coyotes game
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@Duncanldah0 Месяц назад

Everyone is grossly misunderstanding how the population in the greater Salt Lake Area works. Its a very sprawling and growing YOUNG FAMILY poplation with incredible transportation to bring lots of people from well boyond the county limits and drops them off right on the doorstep of the Delta Center. The Utah Jazz has had a horrible record and they have sold out around the last 250 times in a row.

@gregorybiestek3431 Месяц назад

The size of a metro area means NOTHING in relation to the number of fans that will support a hockey team. The ONLY reason it has any bearing is because the media think is might be important. Answer me this - which is better a metro area of 1.8 million with lots of millionaires & upper middle class (San Jose per capita $136,000) or a metro with 5 million with VERY FEW rich people (Phoenix per capita $38,000). The difference for hockey is that SLC despite being smaller is RICHER with a per capita of $47,000. Richer people means more income for the NHL.

@robertlee8474 Месяц назад

We lost the team because of hockey fans living in Phoenix who supported other cities teams, showed up only one or two times a year when they’re favorite team came to town and did not support the team in Phoenix. The owners are horrible, dishonorable, that is true but the frustrating thing is, the real problem was brought up, the point ridiculed and what was predicted, happened. The fans living in Phoenix with their Hawks, Pens, Bruins jerseys hanging in their closets, lost us this wonderful team. There was warning.

@vili76 Месяц назад

I work in a hotel. Heard the Coyotes werent paying for stays months ago. So Sad. If im the league I woudnt put a team back in Arizona until they have a diffent owner

@tyandbrand Месяц назад

They weren't. The hotels had to band together and petition the NHL to get the Coyotes to pay up. It's embarrassing and wrong on so many levels.

@meddyven Месяц назад

@@tyandbrand No Way I give Mereulo another team.

@KuntaKinte09 Месяц назад

You heard right. They have the cheapest "billionaire" owner in the league

@meddyven Месяц назад

@@KuntaKinte09 It's ALWAYS the one's with the most money, trying to go cheap!

@FischerFan Месяц назад

Well, they weren't paying their bills in Glendale, either. So it should come as no surprise.

@MikePorterfield Месяц назад

The 1.5 million population is Salt lake County alone. Ogden->Salt Lake-> Provo, all within a 40 minute drive, is closer to 2.8 million. Similar to Vegas.

@Rob-vc6xw Месяц назад

There's that great line from the movie The Social Network, "if you were the inventors of Facebook, you would have invented Facebook". I think that applies to NHL here. If the NHL can make hockey work in Arizona, it would be working in Arizona. If hockey is to work in Phoenix, it would have to be under a drastically different set of circumstances than have taken place with this Coyotes franchise. For instance, a hockey friendly building that exist before the team exists, an owner that pays his rent and hotel bills, and a team that can develop good players and compete for the playoffs, maybe even make the playoffs once every 3-5 years. None of that should be an issue for an NHL franchise that takes itself seriously and exists in a viable market. If you fail again on all 3 of those though, well good luck with that.

@FischerFan Месяц назад

There are 32 teams in the NHL and 16 of them make the playoffs. Since the 2004-05 lockout, the Coyotes have made the playoffs just four times over the last 19 seasons. Not good.

@jameshenderson4089 Месяц назад

When the jets first returned their second game ever was in Arizona and I bet 4000 Winnipeger’s made the trip for jets 1.0 vs jets 2.0. It’s one of my favourite hockey moments all time. The crowd was chanting back and forth. It was amazing to see my two favourite teams play.

@666mathew Месяц назад

You can now go back to cheering for the Jets!

@flyers10az Месяц назад

If Ryan Smith was in Quebec they'd be getting the Yotes. Bettman was desperate to have Smith be an owner.

@wilbs1959 Месяц назад

it comes down to BAD owners and Glendale location for a arena

@BrickBoneWPG Месяц назад

As a Winnipeger I feel bad for the Yotes fan! I hope the NHL returns as you deserve a a good owner to succeed.

@wild_lee_coyote Месяц назад

Moving the Roadrunners up to Phoenix should only be considered if an NHL expansion is well and truly dead. If you move them into the Mullet next year, you kill the prospect of having an AHL team back in Tucson. The TCC is an aging arena, and currently the only ice you have in Tucson. The TCC doesn’t want to host hockey, and with all its other commitments you get virtually none for community skates. You move the Roadrunners then you get the expansion Coyotes back then you have no place to put the Roadrunners. Keep the Roadrunners in Tucson, build the arena and get your expansion team. Then you never have to worry about funding another arena in Tucson just to move them back.

@PWS1717 Месяц назад

How much money was pumped into this franchise by NHL owners over the years in revenue sharing? They must be pi$$ed at Bettman over this, I doubt any of them would agree too or want Meruelo back as an owner again. Hopefully this ends a decades long embarrassment for the NHL.

@tyandbrand Месяц назад

By the sound of it there are a lot of hoops that must be jumped through and benchmarks hit in order for it to even be a consideration. He has to win the land auction and get an arena built etc. He hasn't been able to accomplish that in how many years?

@howdareyouexist Месяц назад

the owners still made money and profits increased yearly under bettman until covid so they tolerated and allowed it but they finally got fed up with the bs

@KuntaKinte09 Месяц назад

Meruelo played them like a fiddle

@FischerFan Месяц назад

It began with constructing an arena too far away from the corporate base. The Coyotes became the reason why Glendale was often referred to as Gongdale. Within five years after moving out to Glendale, the Coyotes found themselves bleeding red ink and on the verge of bankruptcy. Then the baggage began not only to accumulate, but to snowball. This is one of the contributing factors to the franchise's inability to find stable, committed ownership. The team had become a guaranteed LOI (loss on investment). By the time a new arena in Tempe was proposed, the team had gained such a bad reputation as a stand-alone operation, the majority of residents in the Phoenix area had lost faith in the team's ability to be profitable. In 2011, the Atlanta Thrashers lost their facility. It was the death knell for the team in Atlanta. Losing the Gila River Arena was the beginning of the end for the Coyotes. Losing the vote in Tempe was the confirmation.

@GeorgeFallar Месяц назад

Meant to catch this live but life got in the way. Thanks for sticking with this, we appreciate and trust the information.

@ClearingTheBenches Месяц назад

Thanks to the PHNX Coyotes crew for all you do!

@KuntaKinte09 Месяц назад

Whine and lick Meruelo's boots until the last second?

@KuntaKinte09 Месяц назад

What do they do? Whine and spout conspiratorial drivel? Lick Meruelo's boots for the last two years? 😂

@LegalAmerican4 Месяц назад

Did the NHL choose a landfill over the Arizona Coyotes? I think that's pretty squarely on the shoulders of voters, politicians, and the owner.

@KuntaKinte09 Месяц назад

Tempe here, we absolutely love our 'landfill' as opposed to a giant tax haven for a failing franchise and sketchy cheap owner

@slippperytom496 Месяц назад

If the facilities for the players are better in Tucson it's better for the Roadrunners to stay there.

@ibeleaf Месяц назад

I, a toronto kid, asked for a coyotes jersey for Christmas during their innaugraul season, cause space coyote is dope. my dad laughed and said "ok but that teams never gonna last" you were right dad!

@michaelleroy9281 Месяц назад

At the time how could you have known season 28 would be the last one?

@Ravi-did-it Месяц назад

Hockey in Utah will absolutely thrive. You should be happy for your players actually getting a real arena, fanbase, and ownership

@StressfulGengar Месяц назад

A season ticket drive has yet to happen. I think SLC will finish it, but how quick, and with how large of a waiting list, these are questions that need to be answered quickly after the sale is announced. Not to mention the reception in Salt Lake has been..... Luke warm on a media side so far. No giant swaths of crowds chanting, etc

@666mathew Месяц назад

I don't think we'll ever see a sports franchise fail as badly and as long as the Coyotes did.

@dallen9403 Месяц назад

@@StressfulGengar Nothing has been officially announced lol. Wait till it’s announced by the NHL and Ryan Smith. It’s going to be a huge deal and Hockey is going to be very successful in Utah under this ownership

@Ravi-did-it Месяц назад

@@dallen9403 agreed. It’s all a little awkward right now with no new branding either lol

@MetalGearRex85 Месяц назад

Its a shame. The team should have left to Quebec City. Good luck attracting free agents to SLC.

@MatOrozco-vm7xi Месяц назад

Hey guys one last time on your channel. I told y’all so… so many times too I rang the emergency at the all star break bc it was crystal clear at that point to me. Maybe bc you guys are so close to the secret keepers and franchise that it’s harder to imagine the worst of something the closer it is to you guys. But yeah I knew it. I saw fuck boy Alex true intentions pretty much the whole damn season I held my breath in sept Oct and nov. December was when I was worried. Then when the deadline happened…yeah that was trash. Petey your north stars leaving stories is almost Deja vu for this bc you guys didn’t think they were leaving till the arena blew up lol and lo and behold were blowing up.

@nicholaslisewsky Месяц назад

Congrats. Clap yourself on the shoulder.

@KuntaKinte09 Месяц назад

Dumbest podcast in AZ by far 💯

@Milkylious Месяц назад

Ownership has sh*t on the fans. Broke owners, got essentially kicked out of 2 arenas and expect fans to pay. Don’t let the door kick you arse on the way out. Leaving the 5 largest city cause they have burned all their bridges

@KuntaKinte09 Месяц назад

Exactly!! Multiple AZ cities don't want them because of the shitty ownership/management

@jeffwolfgang6955 Месяц назад

Salt Lake City residents sure have a Napoleon complex about their city. Every post is straight from Stuart Smalley. SLC is good enough, smart enough and dogonit people like us.

@tyandbrand Месяц назад

This podcast makes me less and less sympathetic to the fans of the Coyotes. They don't do easy research on the population numbers. They continually say they don't want to say a bad thing about SLC but then go on to say bad things about SLC and its market. The franchise is moving because you couldn't get a quality owner and a new arena. Your owner wasn't even paying the team's hotel bills. So much so that the hotels had to band together and petition the NHL to get the Coyotes to pay their bills. We know Ryan Smith pays his bills. We know there is 900 million dollars in public money(which I don't agree with) to build a dual purpose arena for the Jazz and the new NHL team. We know the Utah Grizzlies get good attendance and aren't even an NHL team. If you need more information then look at the Jazz. People said Utah wasn't a basketball market, then they got an NBA team. A terrible Jazz team has sold out their tickets as of March 10th, 282 straight games.... To sit there and question how the NHL will work in SLC.... Why didn't it work in Arizona? It certainly didn't by the way. It wasn't just ownership. If fan apathy wasn't a thing then they would've figured out how to get the political pressure to make it happen. Instead they were stuck in an NCAA arena.

@KuntaKinte09 Месяц назад

This podcast is completely conspiratorial and was one of the reasons there was such a big disconnect between fans and voters.

@gregorybiestek3431 Месяц назад

As a native Michigander and a hockey fan since the Dead-Things era, I have seen & know a few things. Denver, SLC, Boise, and a few other western cities know what snow is. As such they have more than a passing acquaintance with winter sports. Phoenix, like most western towns think that ice is something you put in your drink. The ONLY people in most of those places who INTIALLY like hockey are usually retirees from northern areas. Of course, the NHL did not work in Phoenix, but will in SLC. Frankly the only reason basketball works in SLC is they have nothing else until now. If Boise ever gets to a million people it will have more hockey fans than Phoenix HAS now.

@jeron3966 Месяц назад

Basketball works because of church ball everyone plays it

@meddyven Месяц назад

It's quite easy. The league finally got tired of all the Front Office BS, from not paying hotel bills, to not having a CONCRETE plan, yada-yada-yada. The embarassment became a joke. The Board of Governors gave Bettman's pet farrrr too long, when the signs were clearly there.

@PokeMedros Месяц назад

Be glad you didn't have Barry Shenkarow as an owner, killed a deal to keep the Jets here in '95 because he didn't keep control over a team he ran into the dirt.

@steamyrv Месяц назад

The Coyotes failed in Arizona is because the fans didn't support the team enough. Was Glendale that far? Couldn't get in and drive to the rink? Were there a lot of TV viewers? Did the jerseys, T-shirt and other merchandise sell in very large quantities? No stable owner wanted to touch the team because it was losing money. Maybe there is interest in playing hockey but clearly the demand is not strong enough for an NHL team. AHL being much cheaper to run and therefore more accesible maybe that's the best fit. Also, it shouldn't be the NHL's job to develop hockey, that's what USA Hockey is supposed to do.

@ariea.devalois1564 Месяц назад

I hope Arizona fans get a team. But not without an Arena and an owner Arizona fans can trust. No more cart before the horse. No more pie in the sky promises and weird disputes and failure to pay basic bills, like rent in Glendale and hotel rooms. Get the rink, in a good walkable spot and then the team. Also, return the Winnipeg Jets 1.0 records to Winnipeg. Now is the opportunity to make that right. And keep the Phoenix/Az Coyotes records for the 2.0 team. Also, don't let Murello or whatever his name is move the Roadrunners. He's a disaster.

@epicpylon7715 Месяц назад

I've been waiting year to cone one here and say these words....you never deserved this team. And it's beautiful to see them go literally anywhere else. Goodbye AZ

@Lawomenshoops Месяц назад

In terms of the coyotes history, the example you look at is the Baltimore Ravens. Art the clown colors and records in Cleveland. The Baltimore Ravens then became a new franchise in 1996. But not an expansion franchise, taking the players and the draft picks from the clowns. The coyotes has an extra layer because they were stolen from Winnipeg. so in this situation, the NHL can give back the Winnipeg part of the coyotes history back to Winnipeg. Then Winnipeg can give back the Atlanta history to Atlanta. Then the new coyotes are the expansion team! It’s terrible. It’s come to this in Arizona. But the NHL the clown car of owners of the coyotes are fully to blame for this. They knew the suns new arena in 96 was not suitable for hockey. They really didn’t have any plans to build another arena. Then some land in Scottsdale was proposed for an arena. But that never got off the ground. Then finally arena was built, but in the opposite end of town, away from the population and season ticket holder base. I understand why fans wouldn’t drive an hour on a weeknight to get to a game! And I don’t know how many people this affected but if you worked in the East Valley but lived in the West Valley, you’re not driving to the West Valley to pick up your kids and back to the East Valley on a weeknight to see a game. If there was a competent owner who paid their bills, I truly believe the coyotes would still be playing in Glendale. Not the ideal situation, but sure as hell better than playing in a 5000 seat arena. But the current owner never paid his bills, created a toxic working relationship with the city. Just terrible.

@brandonmartin9498 Месяц назад

There just salty. their previous owner was such a clown that the nhl said enough is enough.

@KuntaKinte09 Месяц назад

They were licking Meruelo's boots for the last two years and look how he played them 🤣🤣

@rocksmith3796 Месяц назад

The entire circu$ $hit $how $tink$ to high heaven!!.... It's like the mi$$ion of offending and losing the arizona fan base is intentional with the constant bad decision$!

@KuntaKinte09 Месяц назад

Lol at this podcast!!! Blaming everyone but themselves and Meruelo 🤣🤣

@meddyven Месяц назад

You folks on this podcast, do better homework. Salt Lake City has a population of 1.25 million. From Ogden to Provo, it is close to 3 million. The parking is not an issue, bevsuse the UTA trax trains run in both directions, and they have a stop right at the Delta Center. When the new arena is built, there will be parking, as there are a number of vacant sites for it.

@nicko5945 Месяц назад

These guys continue to spew this nonsense while clearly not even attempting to do actual research. They are just regurgitating what they hear from other outlets.

@KuntaKinte09 Месяц назад

This podcast is a joke, they're conspiratorial and one of the main reasons the coyotes had so much division with fans and voters

@liveanddieinchicagoliveand7074 Месяц назад

The way this podcast speaks so bad on my hawks I thought the coyotes was scandless free 😂 to my surprise I done research on the coyotes its so much dirt on this organization and this podcast be throwing stones 😂 they way that female acted when we won the draft im like worry about a new stadium worry about why the state of Arizona don't won't the coyotes there.

@jeron3966 Месяц назад

Also why would it be an issue when it’s perfectly fine for jazz games and everything in between 😭

@stevehirzel6871 Месяц назад

Their”expert” has never even been to SLC. Great insights.

@chadisnotachad Месяц назад

I'm not staying a diehard if you guys are leaving

@MogulKhan-pf9tl Месяц назад

Before I play this is this the truth as to why they lost the team or spin from people who’s jobs depend on the NHL team

@KuntaKinte09 Месяц назад

100% spin

@lloyddale Месяц назад

QUEBEC should've been the obvious choice for relocation...Bettman needs to go.

@brianjones7660 Месяц назад

how ignorant. Ask MTL why it will never be allowed. Or Hamilton in between BUF and TOR, not gonna happen. Have you heard of the Arctic Peso, er Canadian dollar? 73 cents US at the moment,,,,and Quebec has a 57 % tax rate on the rich. Hmmmm, no state tax in lets see, FL and TX and TN, follow the bouncing puck, Junior.

@mattspencer6370 Месяц назад

Craig is such a Utah hater I love it lol

@slapshotjack9806 Месяц назад

Probably because they’ve needed to relocate since the beginning 28 years ago?

@wheeliewheelie Месяц назад

they should have never went to arizona in the first place...

@masterniloc Месяц назад

Sorry, not sorry because it's funny watching the tears after taking the team from another market to begin with. Flipping residents voted down a building over a landfill and the owner wasn't paying the bills! Need actual community & fans to vote yes and an owner not just in it to take money.

@A_Hotdog_Guy Месяц назад

Dude what? Coyote fans had nothing to do with the Tempe vote, the ownership issues, nor this podcast. Rather, a lot of loyal fans are losing a team that they have grown up watching and have supported for years. You’re right, it sounds like a genuine knee-slapper to me.

@canadianmtb_8275 Месяц назад

Bettman sucks I swear if the team put a statue of him outside the arena it would get spray painted on destroyed etc… Bettmans a fraud and shouldn’t be associated with the NHL in any way the NBA got rid of him now it our turn HE HAS TO GO! He’s the reason Canada doesn’t get anymore teams and it’s sickening it really is!