HOW did this plane VANISH over the AMAZON?? Varig 254 

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So the “people must keep the curtains open so they can tell the pilots when an engine is burning” story is complete BS?

@@antoy384 All resources should be used ...

Stewardesses probably knew what typical supervisor's ego means and therefore didn't even try to bring up such subject to the pilots.

I've heard the same thing in another documentation. Someone was complaining that the sun can't be on his window side when they want to target the city of Belem

@@jeffwood5614 maybe they noticed that after the captain made that 180% turn which would definitely put the sun on the wrong side

exactly and what benefits does the 4 digit heading even give?, it has no benefits so why was it even changed

And then they get 4 years in prison ridiculous

@@patricktuggles4815 For negligence. They made a series of unforgivable mistakes - the incorrect heading was not one of them. They flew for a long time at low altitude thus burning more fuel, they didn't climb higher than 8500 feet to give them a higher vantage point, the first officer could not find the charts despite them being in the cockpit, and they didn't listen to the Morse code of the beacons. That's 4 grave mistakes right there. The captain rightfully lost his license because at the time, CRM wasn't a thing and he was essentially "god".

@@patricktuggles4815they only got community service. He said it in the video

@@patricktuggles4815 they didnt get 4 years it was reduced to community service...

@@liukang3545 You comply misunderstood his joke. Tsk tsk

Ironic that how the pilots done everything they could potentially do wrong.

One wishes every one of them had survived. That would have made for a full happy ending to the stupidest of misadventures!

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​@@fredblahblah.6352 True. It would have been a funny case then.

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Is your name by chance a PSA for a prior mistake you may have made?

Pilots used dead reckoning when they had four radial engines.

@@thomasmills3934 LOL solid burn

IFR -- "I follow rivers."

Yes and no. Someone even survived falling out of a plane. Thanks to the high trees.

The clickbaity title made it seem like the plane had truly never been found again. A small damper on an otherwise great story.

@@eustab.anas-mann9510 Meh the quality of the video made up for it

Maybe crash landings should be in forests if possible?

@@MICKEYISLOWD if I was a pilot and had a choice I would always prefer trees. They break the speed gradually. Better then water or buildings... There's many forest crashes with survivors

thx alot

The captain was wishing the passengers good luck?... You know things have gone to shit when that happens.

@@C.Fecteau-AU-MJ13 Yes, the last words you want to hear from your pilot...geez!

@@C.Fecteau-AU-MJ13 In the actual wording used, he wished a _"good end"_ (of life??) to all. That, said by your pilot, would have surely been even more macabre than him merely wishing his passengers good luck.

"I just want to wish you all good luck. We are all counting on you"

Thank you for this information.

What? Zille had figured it all out but the captain bloked him? Why did the video not mention this?

@@ninelaivz4334 maybe you should ask the people who made the video (which is rather good btw). But those are the facts. Zille might be not telling the truth but his version makes sense and hasn't changed since the accident (there are some videos on youtube where he talks in very detailed fashion about what happened, in Portuguese only though).

How does a pilot not know the difference between W and N

"He very likely feared that another serious incident could seriously jeopardize his carreer at Varig" As it should have. The guy is incompetent.

Imagine being on a flight to England from America and you started seeing chinese fighter jets through window.

Bank angle in the first few seconds and overspeed in the next 10 seconds. Even flaps and landing gear didn't help at all.

@@gudivinaykumar6799 that did happened. but it was russians IIRC that downed a korean commercial flight during the cold war. It was KAL 007

@@tokyworld OMG😮

Moses!

Ah, thank you for the correction!

but if they were north of the amazon, did a 180 they should still turn LEFT to head to belem and not right

Well they did note the airline notified the pilots, but that was while the Captain was on vacation so he didn't know about it. To your point though, they should've made it way more obvious. Maybe add a note to every flight plan for 6-12 months reminding of the change next to the heading.

@@crunchystuff I strongly agree the airline should share some of the responsibility. Even in my job they put notices up when things change and mistakes wouldn't cost lives at all.

True, but also how does someone blindly follow a direction that’s completely incorrect. I can’t imagine flying from JFK to IAD and have anything but a mostly southern heading. It’s a really idiotic mistake. Also considering the fuel, when lost the best idea imo is to fly back to the origin airport. Not sure why they followed a river to the point fuel was low and return was impossible

Agreed, besides 0270 means what it says, not 027

@@SoFloAntonio Pilots are told to follow procedures at all costs.

broken cockpit culture in the past.

Glad that bullshit like that doesnt fly anymore. Being "top dog" doesnt mean anything if you have peoples lives at your hands

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First of all, Zile wasn’t a copilot. They were both pilots. There are no “copilots”. Zile was a first officer so get your labels correct. Also, call the captain captain, not pilot.

​@@fatrat6988jesus man, not everyone's native language is english. the relationship between the words captain&first officer is clearly the same as pilot&co-pilot although it technically doesn't work like that

This. The decision to blindly follow a completely unknown river "hoping" it would lead them somewhere is utterly baffling. Although considering the facts of the case (captain being worried about being fired) it makes more sense he would make a risky call like trying to find the airport, rather than turn around.

I was a relative beginner bush walking alone in trackless wilderness in a national park and I quickly developed my own method. The first thing I would do if I became uncertain or lost sight of guiding landmarks was to stop and just sit. I'd sit for quite a while, sometimes even half an hour and just let my awareness of everything sink in, the slope of terrain, the things immediately around me, the log I'd just climbed over. It helped me think better and it also meant that I was not going to do anything hasty and make things worse. Noticing things like the slope of the land helped me to backtrack more effectively if needed. I don't know if that's great advice or not, it's just how I decided to cope with uncertainty in the moment.

Exactly right. I suppose there was a combination of "get-there-itis" (learned that word from Mentour Pilot) and especially the captain's pride. He didn't want to admit his navigation failure and potentially even receive sanctions for it. This also highlights that there should be a company culture where it's ok to admit that you've messed up. People who come clean before anything really bad happens should actually be commended. Of course there must be interviews, reviews of procedure and extra training to make sure this sort of mistake doesn't happen again. But why not also give the personnel in question some recognition for their honesty and thus lessen the fears of anyone else who might have gotten themselves and others in a sticky situation…

Right. This is something we learned in landnav. Go back to your most recent known location. Start over.

Yeah my feelings exactly too. RIP 😢

Same here, when the engines gave out i leant forward like 'awww sheet! how they gonna get out of this ONE!' so glad to hear they all survived and the plane didnt 'vanish' as the misleading title suggests

@@GrumpyMunkyGameDesign All did not survive, 12 people died.

​@@GrumpyMunkyGameDesign 12 died.

​@@GrumpyMunkyGameDesign 12 died.

wow i hope that pilot is banned from aviation around the world, not his skill, but attitude is the one can make accidents

The pilot should be arrested honestly.

​@SecretLunarLabBro what does race have to do with anything 💀 they're all Brazilians in Brazil

Brazil is not a country of only one race, it is a mixed country.

Qual o nome da entrevista?

Agreed. This would terrify me, but only 2 things would give me hope that I would have a chance to survive in that scenario: 1. The plane is staying level as it descends and not in a nosedive or major tilting to the side. 2. The fuel is completely empty from the engines and no chance of a huge explosion.

@@breakpackalso, a flair at the last moment to pitch the nose up just prior to impact and have the tail take the brunt of the impact would be helpful i'd imagine, tho pulling that off in the pitch dark would be difficult, but it WOULD help scrub off last minute airspeed using the belly of the aircraft and the wings surface area as an ad hoc air brake

Flying into the sun during the afternoon when they were supposed to be flying north....yikes!

I am not expecting pilots to be fully proficient in dead reckoning which is an entire job of its own, but basic compass coordinate skills must be understood! Flying toward the sun ffs 🤦‍♂️

Amazing that they didn't understand the basic fact that the sun sets in the WEST.

As well as being on top of a tropical rain forest that spans thousands of miles with animals that probably haven’t been discovered yet..

We watched Green Dot... _Before it was cool._

I agree, it's the best narrated flight channel.

Thank you for the kind words! Many more videos to come 😄

Yep! At first on seeing there's another retelling of this incident up, I thought I might give it a miss. Then I remembered how awesome this channel is, gave it a watch, and was once again impressed to no end~

Way better then mentour.

Much appreciated!

Sounds like a hint of Irish in the English spoken narration but it is excellent, so clear and precise.

Yes, it is a very weird and confusing way to do things. Also, shouldn't the airline be aware which pilots were on vacation (or sick, for that matter) and therefor never got the info about the new system? It's a pretty important thing, they can't just announce it once and hope that word of mouth gets around to anybody who was absent that day. There needs to be more blame put on the airline for sure, Mr. Green Dot is way too easy on them.

I would consider that a major cause of this. It’s as stupid as changing clock time to five digits. Absolutely fundamental screw up.

Empathy is what separates us from the androids

They were very lucky, absolutely.

@@GreenDotAviation or there's still things science can't explain 🤔

@@rohinanand540 ABSOLUTELY.

Luckily they crashed close to civilization. If the pilots had not turned around, or went in some random direction, they could've flown deep into the amazon where survival was less likely.

​@@rohinanand540 probability can absolutely be explained by science lol

You like gladiator films?

Or Chris Rock

Lol

I think Leslie Nilsen would’ve done a better job at flying!😅

Don’t call me Shirley.

Well they did note the airline notified the pilots, but that was while the Captain was on vacation so he didn't know about it to at least. To your point though, they should've made it way more obvious. Maybe add a note to every flight plan for 6-12 months reminding of the change next to the heading. Also absolutely the the decimal would've helped.

plane had no radar. the communications would have been off of pure assumption and no definite directions.

@@crunchystuff Surely, the airline should be aware of the vacation times of their pilots and therefor, who still needs to receive the briefing about the new system.

Thanks for the kind words!

Pouring over the accident report, maps and researching the airline that might no longer exists is bit of a mountain.. well hill maybe of work, then flying the events in flight sim, recording, editing and checking everything is working.. yeah there is lots of work and most cases little payout, specially longer videos like this. But he has found the audience and his method of presenting it is rather unique.

And how small mistakes can become catastrophic…

he is just recording a shitty flying simulator and talking? hahaha :D

its not hard lmfaooooo

Glad you enjoyed it :)

Well, walking through the jungle after the accident, less alcohol might be favorable... but how could they have known they even had a chance to survive...

It has a certain survival logic too I suppose, given that drunk people seem to survive crashes, falls etc better than sober ones.

Except they didn't want to go back, they wanted to go to their destination

Classic case of get-there-itis... And not wanting to be caught in a mistake

I'll be doing my first nav solo in a while, I'd say that was pretty frightening! And thanks, more vids coming :)

@@GreenDotAviation awesome news!

@@GreenDotAviation how many co-pilot flights before solos just curious ? Love your videos the narration , graphics , editing good stuff .

This happened to me as well in my training. Luckily I knew how to reach for assistance. It was scary!

Thanks!

Thank you! We'll get there eventually 👀

some HF antennae are deployable spools trailing behind when in use stowed when landing and or solid state HF whips

Very true!

They didn't pull anything off, it was pure luck!

Thanks for your comment! Glad you enjoy the vids :)

It's going to get much worse when self-driving cars become the norm, I have already experienced them making questionnable decisions, almost crashing into the car in the next lane by overcorrecting a lane change..

Those poor passengers, hard to fathom how the airline didn’t brief all pilots on the navigational changes, and how the pilots didn’t immediately know that flying towards the setting sun was the wrong way

@@noseboop4354 you are so right! The thought of my car behaving like the auto correct on my Macbook! And studies show the switch from automation to person takes the brain a definite amount of time (can't quote, but long enough to be worrysome!)

What

​@@violeta6846 ikr, i don't get it either 😅

That’s on the list!

Luckily in the future the whole amazon will be farmland...

Welcome to the jungle😂 like the movie with Vin Diesel

humans makes mistakes, the idea about technology aid in aircraft is precisely to mitigate this. in this story there is also the information that a bunch of pilots made the same mistake at the time, but just this one ended in a tragedy, the real problem was the arrogance of the pilot that only thought about himself and his career in not assuming the error and asking for help

@@pamelabassi this one ended in tragedy, because It's was actually a Real Flight. 15 pilots out of 21 making this same mistake wasn't a tragedy because the tested this in a simulator. Although the pilots made mistakes that could be corrected, you can't dismiss the failure of the airline to properly updated their pilots. Also using four digits where degrees can only be three digits, because the plains used only three digits is a huge failure. 0270 can be read as 027 degrees but also as 270 degrees. Why use a extra number that can only lead to a wrong interpretation and adding to a confirmation bias. 15 pilots of 21 made the same mistake in a simulator. That's it's a high number wich points into he direction that the new rule, wich the captain was not aware of, can let to other failures that can potentially lead to deaths. This is not only a case of blaming the pilots.

This shows that 4 number headings are stupid. In addition to adding another number, they don't provide any meaningful information or help navigation in any way.

@@TheNicestPigExactly. There was nothing wrong with the pilots. It was the Plan that was wrong. The Pilots can only be critized for not double checking after seeing a 4 digit heading

WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

The error was so basic it was unforgivable. But they were not listening to any game on the radio.

Agreed. Nowadays we have gps and I still use the sun as reference when I’m traveling to somewhere I’m not familiar with.

The person who thought it was a good idea to use 4 digits on the manuals instead of 3 must be jailed for life

They could have looked at the setting sun in front of them, too.

They didn't use a compass, they didn't use the setting sun, they didn't study the flight plan beforehand and realize that they were supposed to fly parallel to one river for most of the flight instead of crossing several, and didn't listen to the Morse code identifiers of the radios they depended on to guide them home. They weren't very bright.

Agreed, it’s hard to believe this actually happened. Glad you enjoyed the video :)

Yes but realize this was what? Their sixth flight of the day? Fatigue sets in. These pilots were operating like robots by that time. Nothing was registering in their minds.

@@nickv4073 Exactly.

@@nickv4073 u don’t need all your brains to Know the difference between N and W

Woah. I love that guy! ⚠️Worlds Colliding!!!⚠️

@@roamingirl I always enjoyed his honest approach... not just talking to people but actively LISTENING to their recounting stories no matter what. When other TV hosts or "Experts" would likely dismiss the stories off hand, Jeremy took notes, drew diagrams and sketches based on the descriptions, whatever it took. Yeah, my whole family enjoyed his adventures and the interesting fish we'd never seen nor heard of. BUT that episode with the plane going down, and he was in real shock in that hotel room. You could see him shaking and struggling with it, and it was a total 180 from when he was climbing out of the plane and passing down gear and helping other people get to boats or up the embankment... ;o)

@@gnarthdarkanen7464 I could care less about fish and in fact, think the whole thing is slimy and gross! However, I like him a lot and I like seeing the totally unique places he goes and, as you said, essentially, how he interacts with locals and conveys to us a sense of the place and the people inasmuch as one can in the time allotted. I don’t recall the jungle crash episode. At least as much as I remember.🤷🏻‍♀️I’ve seen a lot of them, but not all, so prob not. Hopefully I’d remember that. I’ll have to look for it. Reminds me of an old show called Globe Trekker. Same idea, no fish! It was SO long ago I have no idea who produced it or how to find it. I tried looking for it a while back. Definitely inspirational to me and no doubt one of several factors, starting with inborn wanderlust, that fueled my determination to travel, which I have since then, a lot. Hence the user name, in part, anyway! 😊 I’m guessing it was on PBS given that we didn’t have cable at home but it could have been after that. It was a PBS type show. In the vein of Anthony Bourdain, too. Just a (usually young from what I recall) host and his (probably her, too, but can’t recall) backpack visiting places like Kazakstan meeting locals and seeing what’s up. It was way before all this BS staged reality and gamification of global exploration to ridiculous degrees and - the worst- fake drummed up drama every episode became acceptable in the “adventure” genre. Who cares about the personal rifts, strategies, cliffhangers at every episode’s end, love triangles, spin-offs, cash prizes, closeups of random bugs, staged scenes with fake tiki torches on perfectly cleaned and cleared grounds? No thanks! (Whew, rant over. Who knew I was that upset. lol) Regardless, the river monsters are terrifying, he’s a old school badass, and I love his journals and pens! Write in the Rain should sponsor him, though I suspect they are Moleskins. Not sure about the pens. I’d have to take a closer look. 🤓

@@roamingirl Well, I kinda grew up Country... Mountains Country, in fact, so hunting and fishing are thick out here... I still joined the Navy to see the world (or a hell of a lot more than I'd get to on my own)... I've been an animal rescuer and reptile wrangler, mostly snakes, along the way, so I'm not as squeamish as the next person about all that... Still, always enjoyed Jeremy's matter-of-fact presentations and the fact that he's never afraid of laughing at himself and the hairy situations he can get into... I've always had to take a hard pass on all the manufactured drama of otherwise "reality TV" all the way back to "Road Rules" on MTV... God! I'm dated... haha... If you look around a bit, it shouldn't be too difficult to catch that Jungle Crash episode, though. AND yes, he's a genuine kind of bad-ass, so while he did sink a bit into shock later, he was resilient enough to pull himself together, not just for that episode, but to stay the course of the show as it went. The truly great part of Wade and his shows, including "Dark Waters" and whatever the mysteries of the ocean thing he's doing now (I can't pull it out of memory at the moment) is that he's authentically exploring and interacting instead of looking down his nose or dismissing everyone with a "wild tale" to tell... He's funny when he's swearing at Caymen and/or Piranhas eating all his bait and scaring him off his rock... BUT it's like a kid in a candy store when he gets to a tackle shop or finds a good spot for fishing... ;o)

The copilot must have known that since he was not on holyday during the change

No other planes crashed for this reason

Glad you enjoyed it :)

Glad you enjoyed it!

Yeah facts maybe it was a mix of pride fatigue and confirmation bias .

Exatamente!

Yea the ‘battle of the Amazon’ one of the major WW2 conflicts 🥴

@@wewanttruth8392😂😂😂😂

@@wewanttruth8392Second only to the Siege of Atlantis at the end of the war.

Quite, like a pilot taking off from Las Vegas heading to Chicago but taking a 180 flightpath, it just wouldn't happen

Glad you enjoy it! 🙏🏼

Yes. That is an extreme mistake

​@@PInk77W1 That is 101 basic sun, compass navigation, but cocaine does amazing things.

@@skhochay yikes. I thought soccer distracted them.

@@skhochay I’m not a pilot But I sure as heck know the difference between 027 and 270

Thank you! 🙏🏼

The didn’t have enough fuel to to get back to to the airport they came from at the point they realized they were going the wrong direction.

@@evanhughes1510 As soon as they realised Belem is not where it should be they could just turn back to Maraba following opposite vector, at this moment they had more than enough fuel

@@larsv7366 They thought they were close to Belem

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You're very welcome!

Thank you very much, I'm glad you enjoyed it :)