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How different is buying high end audio In 2018 than It was in 1978? 

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I met Andy Singer 40 years ago, shortly after he opened his store, Sound by Singer. Andy has seen and heard it all, so I picked his brain about how high-end customers have changed over the decades.
Andy is the Audiophiliac for a Day!
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@louisshambarger2230
@louisshambarger2230 5 лет назад
I was a soldier stationed in Weather Germany in about 1972. I wanted a record selected as a record of te year by an audio magazine. It featured the Tokyo String Quartet. I don’t know if one could even get it in the US. I found it at a high end audio store in Stuttgart. Later I wanted to buy microphones for my tap recorder and went to the same store. It was Radio Barth. They wouldn’t even talk to me. I took one of their catalogs and picked out a microphone I thought I liked, from Microphone Baugh made in Heidelberg. I went by the factory when I was in Heidelberg. The only one The Who spoke English well enough to talk to me must have been an executive. He was very nice, said Radio Barth has it too easy and sold me the mics at their price! I still have them even though I never make live recordings now.
@mannye
@mannye 5 лет назад
The internet interfered because it caused your audiobabble to be questioned by thousands of people spouting common sense.
@jeffrey3498
@jeffrey3498 5 лет назад
As a kid in the 70s, I was super happy with my Sansui amp, JBL L100s, and a Technics turntable.
@yokosomike
@yokosomike 5 лет назад
Jeffrey that’s pretty close to my current system. Sansui 9500 and JBL 4312’s are all I need and it sounds fantastic.
@arande3
@arande3 3 года назад
I'm trying to beat my 4311s but so far have failed...
@johnholmes912
@johnholmes912 3 года назад
and we were happy with our naim amps linn turntable and rotel tuner
@jeffrey3498
@jeffrey3498 3 года назад
@@yokosomike Awesome! I'm jealous! I'm making do with my Apple Air Pods and wondering where it all went wrong. 🤟😩
@SOS89140
@SOS89140 3 года назад
Everyone I've ever dealt with that lived in NYC (or New Jersey for that matter), were the rudest people on the planet. Just saying. Now I live just outside the city of Chicago and you DO NOT get that typical East Coast attitude in a small business or any business. If you did display that attitude, you'll wish you hadn't. I can't be the only person who has felt this about NY / NJ people. If so, my bad. Point is that this probably had nothing to do with high end audio.
@errorsofmodernism9715
@errorsofmodernism9715 3 года назад
LOL. Sounds like you've had some encounters with the Ko-sher-Nos-tra
@vicinvesta8349
@vicinvesta8349 5 лет назад
Two weirdos complimenting each other. Stick your "warm analog sounding" amplifiers you know where.
@waltzie
@waltzie 5 лет назад
40 years in audio...still ZERO clue how to use a lapel mic...wow
@markwolter2032
@markwolter2032 5 лет назад
Has been listening to audio. Not making it.
@mercurialmagictrees
@mercurialmagictrees 5 лет назад
ha funny
@louf7178
@louf7178 5 лет назад
waltzie Probably knows microphones work better that way.
@crossocean5663
@crossocean5663 5 лет назад
Don’t be a dick
@davidmacnaughton500
@davidmacnaughton500 5 лет назад
dont feed the trolls waltzie is obviously a troll..
@RonRivet
@RonRivet 5 лет назад
I bought my first (high end to me) receiver from a great little high end audio shop back in 1976 when I was 13 yrs old. It was a Sony STR V2 which I now realize was not high end. The great little high end audio shop is still here to this day and I now deal with Marc, the son of the man that started it. Now my gear is all Rega which includes a P6 turntable which I listen to mostly. Some may say Rega is not high end audio but it sure sounds and looks great to me.
@trellusg
@trellusg 5 лет назад
I feel like this guy is out of touch with what the masses grew up listening. My dad wasn’t a doctor, lawyer or FBI agent, and what I grew up listening to made MP3’s sound high fidelity by comparison! 😂 Digital audio improved music for FAR more people than for whom it degraded it - it’s not even close. I remember when, as a young man, I could finally afford a CD player, and it was a Sony Discman (hardly high end 😅), and yet, it blew me away when I first listened to it. So... yeah, for the vast majority of us, digital audio was a huge upgrade. #outoftouch
@seanquigley3624
@seanquigley3624 5 лет назад
It all depends on your starting point, if your starting with a model T, then a modern car will be better at getting from A - B.
@TimpBizkit
@TimpBizkit 5 лет назад
What really happened was the loudness war and consumer grade cheap and cheerful "white van speakers". I don't think this is the type of guy who likes pounding EDM either.
@SuperNathan29
@SuperNathan29 5 лет назад
Digital music is a travesty you lose so much. analog music when played the right way will always trump.ANY digital format ..in my humble opinion and I'm in my mid 30's
@psp420bam
@psp420bam 5 лет назад
@@SuperNathan29 I'm 41 and don't miss the old days at all but I didn't like analog formats like vinyl and tapes and can't tell a difference from aac vs cd(those that can use lossless formats) but I'm not the collector type that likes to have something to hold/look at and see on their shelf. I mostly like how much more capable and convenient things are these days like bluetooth,buying media online, having media stored on devices and instantly accessible. I have about 7 terabytes of HD movies,tv shows and music on my pc which is hooked up to my tv. I only have a basic/ small cellphone for calls/text and have playstation vita slim with sony earbuds for my mobile media needs. I use jbl xtreme and charge 3 speakers as my home theater and for the skatepark.
@bkkersey93
@bkkersey93 5 лет назад
@@SuperNathan29 Glad you said in your opinion, because that's factually bullshit.
@scottlowell493
@scottlowell493 5 лет назад
Buying high end in the late 70's (Braun/ADS, Infinity, Kef, etc) did not have the extreme, arbitrary overpricing, snob contingent and snake oil that developed in the late 80's with companies like Wilson. Cost-is-no-object, but it didn't always mean superior sound. It was simply creating a niche for the deep pocketed, gullible and "alpha" audiophiles. $500 in parts in a $20,000 speaker. $1000 a foot cables, etc...and now, ultra-high end made in Asia for pennies on the dollar and sold at the same extreme prices.
@senoJSR
@senoJSR 5 лет назад
Exactly, Chicoms working for pennies an hour.
@joetooly8297
@joetooly8297 5 лет назад
Sounds like Apple.
@tazblink
@tazblink 5 лет назад
Scott there is a lot of truth in what your saying. Don't forget the 80's audio rags that sold out and never review a advertisers piece of equipment that wasn't great. So sad this industry fell apart. Try to talk to young ppl about high end audio they think your from mars.
@scottlowell493
@scottlowell493 5 лет назад
@Astro Nomenov This should be a subjective hobby, not something for people to alienate others with because they spent a lot of money.
@mostirreverent
@mostirreverent 4 года назад
still using a pair of ADS 880s with an Adcom GFA-555I
@EddieJazzFan
@EddieJazzFan 5 лет назад
Retail audio in 70s New York--two words :"CRAZY EDDIE"
@hifijohn
@hifijohn 5 лет назад
I lived in NYC in the late 70's/early 80's and you couldnt escape those damn commercials.
@johnhermanson5249
@johnhermanson5249 5 лет назад
and Battling Barry's House of Audio.
@christopherjames9843
@christopherjames9843 5 лет назад
Crazy Eddie = crook!
@EddieJazzFan
@EddieJazzFan 5 лет назад
@@christopherjames9843 You're right-- and he was supposed to be related to the guy who started "The Wiz"
@perez5249
@perez5249 5 лет назад
margaretsville 645-1196 Can't believe I still remember that phone number 😂
@michelcouzijn5862
@michelcouzijn5862 5 лет назад
In 1978, I was 14 and worked my ass off during the summer holidays in order to buy a Philips high-end cassette deck (N2521); during the autumn holidays to buy a decent Sony amplifier (T2650) and quality record player (Sony PS-X-3); and during the next summer holidays to buy the best loudspeakers my money could buy (a pair of Technics SB-5000). At the time, I read the Dutch audiophile fanzine (Jan Kool in 'Luister') and counted myself among the happy discerning listeners, who focused on listening to music (both rock music and classical music) rather than listening to hardware devices. Andy Singer might have looked down on my very young presence at the time, but I wouldn't have cared. I listened my own way through music, and through the catalogues, and through the available hardware. I vividly remember myself as a 15-16 year old listening to Bach's Matthew Passion on vinyl, and Supertramp's 'School', and John McLaughlin's 'Extrapolation', and Jacques Brel's 'Marieke' on my newly acquired simple-yet-effective equipment, and being totally happy with what I'd got. Ever since, I've been wary of snake oil "high-end". I hallowed the CD, as it is a clear improvement over the LP, and it isn't 'cold' or 'sterile' as some with more nostalgia and imagination than ears would have us believe. Yes, digital music gave way to the 'loudness war', which should be fought with a vengeance - but that isn't the medium's fault. And I challenge every self-proclaimed 'discerning listener' to tell a quality >256 kbps MP3 file from a vinyl recording. Double-blind test inform us that at least 9 out of 10 are unable to tell the difference. And yes, that probably includes you & me. I enjoy re-releases that are a labour of love, such as YES's "Fragile" on DVD-audio or Blu-ray; such as Herreweghe's Bach motets of 1986; or The Beatles 'Yellow Submarine'. 'Digital' is a great medium. 'Wow and flutter', 'needle overhang' and needle wear are issues of the past. Digital amplifiers are better, more versatile, and more reliable than ever. As is digital recording compared to cassette tape recording. Audio has come a long way since 1978. I love what I did back then, investing in good hardware, listening to good music. But there is no reason to glorify Hi-Fi 1978 over today's audio opportunities. Today is like back then: there's some good, there's some bad, and one needs their ears in order to make a distinction. Human hearing hasn't changed. Hi-end aficionado's still try to sell you snake oil. And you still do not need to be a millionaire in order to buy pretty decent Hi-Fi equipment.
@garyluciani370
@garyluciani370 5 лет назад
Totally agree with everything you said. I think a lot of people are either "snobs" or "nostalgia lovers" It clouds thier objective faculties.
@EdWatts
@EdWatts 5 лет назад
I agree, but with two exceptions: I have an elaborate surround system, with Carver, Fosgate, and McIntosh gear. Nearly everything is, of course, solid-state, with the exception of the amplifiers for the main front channels, which are Grommes 260A devices -- the old ones, NOT the new, super-high-priced stuff. I prefer hi-res digital source material over vinyl (I have over three thousand LP's!), but I really enjoy the sound of good, "hollow-state" amplification.
@DaveJ6515
@DaveJ6515 Год назад
I disagree with most of the things you wrote. CD was as ugly as hell in comparison to vinyl. Digital is still worse than analog unless you have a very well designed DAC. I never play 320 mp3's through my system, because they don't sound as they should: they are good in your car, but that's it. Some hi-end stores try to sell you snake oil, but if you have ears you can tell the difference between the good stuff and the bad stuff. And there is some really great stuff here and there. For a price, unfortunately.
@marklowe7431
@marklowe7431 5 лет назад
$12000 HDMI cable. $6000 power cable. Need I say more. edit. I forgot gold plated optical cable connectors. Yes, this is real.
@dragonblood0012
@dragonblood0012 5 лет назад
gold plated optical cable connectors fucking really?! lmao
@marklowe7431
@marklowe7431 5 лет назад
@@dragonblood0012 I saw them and in front of the sales guy couldnt top laughing. He wasn't amused.
@claudiobaldonijr9326
@claudiobaldonijr9326 5 лет назад
Besides the guys putting diamonds (yes, diamonds) as a spike base for hi-end speakers... ridiculous ...... NONE of these audiophiles would ever accept doing a blind hearing test to "prove" they are REALLY hearing the use (or not) of all those silly pricy things....
@hugh007
@hugh007 5 лет назад
'78? I'd say 50 and 60s: McIntosh, Fisher, Scott, Dyna, Harmon Kardon, even Heathkits were more substantial and better than most integrated 1 chip amplifiers today. Check out an 'Audio' or 'High Fidelity' magazine from 50 years ago. Hundreds of components and manufacturers.
@xfloodcasual8124
@xfloodcasual8124 3 года назад
Yeah exactly, high end audio really came with the STEM revolution of the 40s and 50s for both playback and recording
@azharzaidi3264
@azharzaidi3264 4 года назад
He is right but seems to have a customer repelling attitude. He means loss of business. I am seventy and I started in early 60’s when I moved up from a radio listener to a spool tape recorder listener (Akai). Later I had a good stereo system comprising of a tape deck, amp, preamp, and a turn table, I added a laser disc player too. Nowadays. I too frequently use ear phones and headphones for casual listening; this gets rid of room problems and I get uniform music anywhere in the house; more than that, I have volume independence as my wife is not disturbed. This gentleman is at a loss not selling stuff more due to such attitude and less because of kids buying in ear stuff. Such people have lost their touch. Also, sales people too are not knowledgeable enough. One salesman at BestBuy could not answer my question and disappeared, another had me take an appointment with some expert,but he too was not knowledgeable on positioning electronic speakers. Young people must be explained if they are inclined towards high end stereo and musicality. Contempt will send them take their business elsewhere. I have heard young men talking of vinyl, and lately I am seeing vinyl disappear from Goodwill and pawn stores. So there is a chance.
@keithmoriyama5421
@keithmoriyama5421 5 лет назад
Wow the negative comments about this guy. I immediately caught that vibe 9 seconds into the interview. The Chinese have a saying, "man with no smile should not open shop."
@Make-Asylums-Great-Again
@Make-Asylums-Great-Again 4 года назад
Keith Moriyama the Chinese have a virus, ok.
@cadetsparklez3300
@cadetsparklez3300 4 года назад
@@Make-Asylums-Great-Again true lol
@TheAboriginal1
@TheAboriginal1 Год назад
"Don't judge a book by its cover" is also a Chinese proverb.
@deus_ex_machina_
@deus_ex_machina_ 5 лет назад
Asking a audio store owner about the technical details of sound is like asking a McDonald's franchise owner about molecular gastronomy. 40 years of experience and he still doesn't have a clue about sound...
@dorengarcia5097
@dorengarcia5097 5 лет назад
Anyone who's read the entire Audio Dictionary knows... real reproduction is a ghost.
@ralex3697
@ralex3697 13 дней назад
That is what makes him so interesting
@a0r0a7
@a0r0a7 5 лет назад
I feel someone should advise him due to his age his hearing certainly at the high end will be very poor, just like those MP3 and poor quality CDs. I hate the stylus crackles and pops. Vinyl does sounds beautiful but quiet passages irritate me. CD is a pleasure when the music reaches a quiet passage, certainly not poor. Some expert.
@petrolhead007
@petrolhead007 5 лет назад
For vinyl lovers the sound of the needle is music to the ears - so satisfying..... a part of the experience!
@a0r0a7
@a0r0a7 5 лет назад
@@petrolhead007 each to there own. Enjoy your vinyl as I will my CDs. Vinyl as I said does sound beautiful, no denying that.
@petrolhead007
@petrolhead007 5 лет назад
@@a0r0a7 Agree with you. I too have a collection of CDs, including the SACDs. To be honest the SACDs give a cleaner sound (provided they are recorded/engineered well). The vinyls have their own sound - warmer and more natural. A music lover should enjoy all the different sounds out there rather than falling into certain buckets.
@a0r0a7
@a0r0a7 5 лет назад
@@petrolhead007 totally agree. I attended the Bristol Uk hifi show this year and vinyl was some of the most beautiful sounding reproduction of music on show. However, CD poor quality, no. There are very badly produced CDs that sound awful but that's down to the studio engineers and that's a shame. However I do agree with you, enjoy all formats. Happy Christmas 👍
@user-gk1nt6sm2z
@user-gk1nt6sm2z 5 лет назад
Andy, get out and hear a real phono hifi, you will know instantly when you hear the real deal
@mikeleahy5283
@mikeleahy5283 5 лет назад
Thanks. Wish the old brick and mortar stores would come back but sadly they probably won't. Ordering audio by relying on other peoples opinion s is hard to do especially speakers.
@doowopper1951
@doowopper1951 5 лет назад
Yep, I would love to see a renaissance of B&M audio stores, and B&M record stores. But, being 67, my opinion has lost 99% of it's weight.
@bobc3895
@bobc3895 5 лет назад
I agree, back in the 70's there were a dozen good stores that sold audio equipment in my area, now there are none. The only brick and motar choice is Big Buy and they would rather sell you a 27 cu ft refrigerator because that is what they understand. Their sales people have no understanding of audio aside from which phone will hold the most songs. So you are pretty much forced to by gear online I just bought a 2 year old used preamp ($2,500) online because there is no place to go and listen to anything in this area. As a result you give them a credit card number and pray you have made a wise choice. I am very pleased with the sound of my purchase but not so pleased with the build quality. I worked in the military grade power supply industry for 35 years of my working life so I am a very good judge of both component and build quality. One gripe I have with good audio gear these days is they seem more concerned with how it looks, my preamp has a 1/2" thick aluminum front panel, my 30 tear old Conrad Johnson PV10 had a 1/8" front panel and did a great job for it's time, it also used better parts and had higher build quality INSIDE where it counts . I can only assume today's buyer is more interested in how it looks and feels than how it's built
@AnonymousUser77254
@AnonymousUser77254 5 лет назад
Bob C well people assume quality from its outward appearance.
@doowopper1951
@doowopper1951 5 лет назад
Sybrand Botes I don’t, and never have.
@jamesallen5591
@jamesallen5591 5 лет назад
Yeah, there are so few options to listen before buying these days.
@slehernik
@slehernik 5 лет назад
Bs, bs, bs,... yeah, yeah, yeah,... tell me again how LP sounds better than CD. Expertise.... pfff
@jamescarter3196
@jamescarter3196 5 лет назад
If you had a point to make, you wouldn't have to act like a douchebag about it. You're just another one of those people who doesn't have finely-tuned hearing, and you assume that digital sound is better just because it's digital. You don't have a fucking clue. Pfff.
@joedeegan3870
@joedeegan3870 3 года назад
It is a lot like Watches: does a $10 K watch keep better time than a 10 dollar watch? Not necessarily.
@rjdalchow
@rjdalchow 5 лет назад
He talked a lot but didn't say much.
@StrixTechnica
@StrixTechnica 5 лет назад
It's a bit hard to trust an "audio specialist" (and I'm not referring to Singer here) when they then try to sell you a bog standard IEC power cable (kettle lead, same as used for a desktop computer) for £80 or £250 or whatever on some BS spiel about power - completely ignoring the rubbish TPS cable in the walls and aluminium transmission lines of the grid. This is still a thing, or was last I walked into a high street hi-fi shop. Pity the sales guy didn't know that I'm an electronic engineer and a bit harder to fool with technobabble than most. I admit that they had me on skin effect for a while, though, until I realised the frequencies to which it applies in any significant degree.
@carybaxter274
@carybaxter274 5 лет назад
HYPE AND SALES. I enjoy the Audiophiliac Show on RU-vid very much, and I am sure I will continue to enjoy it, but this episode featuring Mr. Singer of "Sound by Singer" mercantile fame has provoked a concerned response from me. Mr. Singer impuned CD technology blaming it for the decline of the audiophile business suggesting that CD's are unacceptably bad audio. He said that MP3 files were "horrible". I, too, worked in high-end audio retail concurrently with you, and I had a good time while it lasted, but who can dispute that audio salesmen have a bad reputation that is often justified? And off-the-chain hype is a major reason why. Derogatory hype is the worst kind. In a "Stereophile" interview, Arnie Nudell stated: >>"Just to set the record straight, Paul and I don't find digital offensive these days. It's improving at such a rate that certainly we can listen to music with it and design loudspeakers with it. We like its consistency. We've found that digital will go down to pp-not quite to ppp. The fffs on digital now are better than the fffs on record. I'll argue that with anybody, because I have the master tapes of the record. Digital has come a long way, and I have a lot of hope for it, because it's the wave of the future."
@alandang3505
@alandang3505 5 лет назад
I find that everything in the audio chain is a particular type of "filter" and losses part of the signal. Even the microphones are a filter, so there is no way to avoid loss in any part of the audio chain. The question is which filters are the most objectionable and do the most damage to the music? Digital has improved, and many people objected to the sound of strident violins and harsh pianos when digital arrive in the 1980s to the consumer, for the most part they've addressed a lot of these issues, but if you were for instance to listen to Gary Wright's "dream Weaver", or Steve Miller's fly like an eagle on a properly set up and tuned high resolution audio system in a room of appropriate size comparing vinyl versus CD you would immediately understand the digital has a long way to go. Probably the live MIC feeds direct to FM when heard through say a Marantz 10b tuner were the best possible source that could be available to the general public with the least amount of filter. However that tuner...well it's one of the few tuners that really can produce full sound without imposing a flattening of the sound stage and filtering of mid bass and low bass. So for many people who don't get an early pressing Digital is their best bet. Sadly there are far far fewer well produced great sounding reference CDs than LPs ... a standard LP that is well recorded has no problem dispatching even one of the best recorded PCM files. Unedited double rate DSD or higher is the only format that starts to approach well recorded standard vinyl when played back properly. CDs however are ideal for helping to tune systems because of the repeatability. You can't replay vinyl over and over in a short period without degradation of the sound. .
@carybaxter274
@carybaxter274 5 лет назад
I understand, but a sense of proportion is in order here as everywhere. Arnie Nudell had sophisticated hearing and superior equipment according to most enthusiasts, and he found CD superior to vinyl in some ways and lagging oh so slightly in others. It is a lie that CD's have degraded the audio world, and it is a lie that hi-grade MP3's are "horrible". Most people hear well enough to know that. Hype is the degrading force we should look out for. If anything can ruin it for all of us, it is hype.
@upinarms79
@upinarms79 5 лет назад
That is very well said. I agree 100%. So much of that nonsense hype and misinformation is why I don't take some audiophiles seriously anymore. Any form of audio storage can be poor when it isn't done properly. You don't have to be an audio engineer to know that there is a ceiling for audio quality on any storage media uand that taking full advantage of the capability of that medium is important, but one also has to consider if that medium is viable for retail consumers. When it comes to digital audio, if you don't properly encode it in a lossless form that alters the original signal as little as humanly possible, you will certainly lose quality, but that's the case with any medium. You also have to consider that people need to be able to store and transfer these files across portable devices, so they have to be a reasonable size to do so, which means sometimes sacrificing some quality for the sake of creating a file that can be viably contained on consumer electronics devices. As digital storage media improves, ie flash memory, hard drives, so too will the quality of digital recordings. My biggest problem right now with digital download services is that they don't offer higher end lossless recordings to customers that want them, only lower quality MP3s because they think that's what the general public will want, but that doesn't make the entire medium of digital recording bad.
@majestyk3337
@majestyk3337 5 лет назад
Compared to vinyl, CD's suck ass. I record (digitize) vinyl using a moderately high end system and play it back on the same equipment as CD's and there is no comparison. The only exception are some vinyl's that are poorly mastered. In that case a CD counterpart might sound better. Now I will say this... Some of the very early CD's sound much better than the later ones. Particularly ones with pre-emphasis (you'll need de-emphasis to hear them properly...most but not all CD players do this). Certain early Japan pressings of Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon (with pre-emphasis) sound fantastic but they still don't sound nearly as good as the best vinyl pressings. Don't even bother with remastered CD's or CD's past 2000. Almost all of them suck. Most MFSL CD's are some of the worst CD's I have ever heard...don't fall for the hype. Vinyls "tweak-ability" stomps all over CD. I've heard many CD players and while they do sound different, it's not as radical as the various vinyl setups I have heard.
@carybaxter274
@carybaxter274 5 лет назад
The vast majority of the audio unwashed will never spend $50,000 on a home system, but they can be enthralled into the fold by the therapeutic exposure to a modest system of used equipment playing MP3 files from the internet (converting the RU-vid performances from MP4, for instance). If all they own is a used Columbia remaster of "Kind of Blue" with Miles Davis on CD, or a Verve remaster of some Ella Fitzgerald favorite on CD, or a Harry Connick, Jr. CD, or an MP3 file converted from a RU-vid performance on MP4 of Gergiev conducting Sheherazade live at the Salzburg Festival, they treasure their moments of listening. They begin to think like an audiophile. It is a shame and a disservice to mislead them by indulging in well-heeled pretentiousness which is what it is to call their golden moments "horrible" when they know full well they are not.
@7thequest
@7thequest 4 года назад
I love Steve Guttenberg. I don't like Andy.
@dan0711123
@dan0711123 5 лет назад
Folks, get a good, mid priced amp two mid priced speakers, a passive sub woofer. It will sound amazing
@Wolfie66
@Wolfie66 5 лет назад
Exactly! And you don't have to spend a fortune
@dnd6379
@dnd6379 5 лет назад
@Astro Nomenov Or Aune audio, also very well priced. For speakers there are numerous companies making "entry level" if you can even call it that speakers, like Jamo with S803 or Elac with B5, great sound quality from both at a completely understandable price.
@crossocean5663
@crossocean5663 3 года назад
It’s a system. Regardless of price. So yeah. Excellent advice. Create a budget and match components
@terryhong
@terryhong 3 года назад
Steve makes more money than this guy now and he's butt hurt about it.
@CubeRepublic
@CubeRepublic 5 лет назад
40 years ago fools were easily parted from their money just as they are now.
@fruitloopette69
@fruitloopette69 5 лет назад
He forgot to mention that sound systems were really shitty, boomy and thrown at your face, at that time. The high end market was a virgin one. Nowadays, you can get very listenable mid-end systems for the buck.
@igfoobar
@igfoobar 5 лет назад
High end audio stores make most of their money selling overpeiced speaker cable to people who don't understand science. A $20 roll of lamp cord from Lowe's works just as well as $1,000 monster cable, even with high end amps and speakers.
@andreasleonlandgren3092
@andreasleonlandgren3092 5 лет назад
Art C not necessarily true
@igfoobar
@igfoobar 5 лет назад
@@andreasleonlandgren3092 It is completely true. But waste your money if you want to.
@kevinl6231
@kevinl6231 5 лет назад
Well, no (imho). Not a lamp cord cable. Amazon Basics is pretty good and reasonable.
@igfoobar
@igfoobar 5 лет назад
@@kevinl6231 Respectfully, my findings have been that copper is copper. As long as your cable is of good quality and the correct gauge, it doesn't matter whether it's sold as lamp cord, speaker cable, or "monster" cable. The electrons will find their way to your speakers the same way.
@growthmindsetmastery435
@growthmindsetmastery435 5 лет назад
I quit reading Gutenberg’s reviews after he wrote a glowing review about the improved sound quality of a new Monster Cable product a few years ago for CNET. Total b.s. and lost all credibility. You cannot trust a reviewer who thinks he hears things and is blind to his own bias.
@mikethebeginner
@mikethebeginner 5 лет назад
Two other factors: prices went through the roof as sellers chased the top 10%, until average people were shut out of the activity, and, music shifted from recordings of real acoustical events to electronic confabulations that only existed in the imaginary soundscape. If you buy HP's formulation that live music is the absolute sound, then there is no more absolute sound in music.
@DiscoFang
@DiscoFang 5 лет назад
The only problem with the "live music" assertion is that apart from orchestral concerts 99% of live music is played through amplification and a sound system.
@elliottdavis9496
@elliottdavis9496 5 лет назад
I walked into Sound by Singer about 2 weeks after Sep 11, 2001. I had just turned 18. I was on holiday from Australia, and a keen audiophile. Where better to check out high-end gear than NYC? When the holiday was booked, we had no idea that tradgedy would strike NY - of course. Andy is burned into our memory as “the incredibly rude, arrogant and snobby bearded guy” who we observed in-store. My father has stronger memories than I, as I was engrossed in the tech. Andy chose to belittle our “tourist” status and emphasise what he considered to be our subsequent inferiority. Anyhow, we remember you Andy. Tourists from the other side of the planet have memories. Being Australian, I couldnt really give a toss, because one specific loser doesnt represent the awesomeness that is NY and the US. Having said that, lose the arrogance mate. Its not doing you any favours. ...I’ve just come back to edit this comment because I had not read anyone else’s comment until after I wrote mine. Geeeez, glad I’m not the only one! It’s been 18 years, and I am now complete 😂
@connorduke4619
@connorduke4619 2 года назад
We can all learn and grow, in fact it's our main purpose for coming to Earth. So the Andy you met 20 years ago may not be the same Andy of today.
@delstanley1349
@delstanley1349 3 года назад
The MP3 generation gets picked on a lot for its inability to discern excellent sound reproduction or simply be satisfied with mediocre sound. Well, they likely got if from their parents! I grew up in the 60s British invasion----Beatles, Stones, etc. the Motown, Philly, and Memphis sounds, and near the end of the 50s doo-wop rock and roll. I heard ALL of it on AM radio! AM radio! That was the norm. How low can you possibly go? And home theater? We would go to a drive-in movie theater and they would have these cheap metal box outside-all-the-time, in-all-weather conditions "speakers" you would slap on your window. I saw "To Kill a Mockingbird" basically listening to a walkie-talkie at the drive-in. There was no hue and cry throughout the land about woefully inferior sound equipment. No complaints about AM radio. FM (for rock n roll) wasn't widespread at least in Texas until late 60s early 70s. The high end probably started around the mid 40s so when I was listening to all my sounds on AM radio during the 60s it already existed, albeit mostly a hobby. At the time I thought I was enjoying everything I heard. Ignorance was bliss as they say. "Hi-Fi" was that Magnox walnut wood furniture box console on the floor that your parents wouldn't let you play because you could screw up the needle when they wanted to hear Ella Fitzgerald and Miles Davis, or Perry Como. Again, my generation was already attuned to mediocre sound long before the MP3 crowd came along. Having little funds wouldn't have changed things much anyway. MP3s at least beat AM pocket radios and table top radios where you sometimes had to use your arm as an antenna!
@airgead5391
@airgead5391 5 лет назад
This was a very interesting video to watch! Great content.
@afistfulofpimples1745
@afistfulofpimples1745 5 лет назад
No it wasn't.
@bobbecker2046
@bobbecker2046 5 лет назад
Also anyone who still believes mp3 is used as heavily now is wrong, AAC, ALAC, FLAC and MQA are the new standards, AAC at 320kbps while lossy, can be 24bit/192khz. The others being lossless carry PCM/LPCM equivalent information. The fact that RIAA standards limits most records to 40hz-15khz which means that they are automatically substandard to digital recording. We know that being able to record beyond the scope of hearing leads to less harmonic distortion, better dynamic range, and superior SNR. LP's just simply cannot compare.
@pascalillustration3650
@pascalillustration3650 5 лет назад
2:40 He says: “The audio industry went to cd, which really lowered the quality of reproduction.” What? How can a newer and better technology lower the quality? And compared to what? Vinyl? Cassettes? FM radio? It’s true that you can describe analog technology like vinyl as ‘warmer’, but cd has increased the audio quality with a big leap.
@Jsims111
@Jsims111 5 лет назад
Yeah, thats where he lost me. Especially considering that there are cds that have audio taken from vinyls; containing all the warmth, snap crackle and pop that you can handle. Now, to be fair; he could be referring to how the audio has been mastered e.g "loudness wars"
@Scottlp2
@Scottlp2 4 года назад
I don’t know if you were around when CDs first came out, but they were (for me) unlistenable for 5-10 years after they first came out. He is totally correct. A newer technology can lower sound quality by introducing kinds of distortions never heard before.
@roxyb.chandler7961
@roxyb.chandler7961 5 лет назад
When I was 20 (1985)I walked into the high-end audio place near my home in mid-coast Maine looking for a quality car audio system. The floor salesman at the time was a man who sold me a small portable tv/radio at an appliance store a few years earlier. He was with a customer and asked me if I needed help. I told him I was interested in high-end audio for my car, he laughed at me and said I couldn't afford to look at anything in the store. I tapped his shoulder and pointed to the front window at my Jaguar (which I bought with money I worked for) parked in front of the store. The sales clerk, red-faced, sheepishly tried to apologize, I was unimpressed, walked out and put together a very impressive sytem, without his help. Have managed to surround myself with a fine collection of very good equipment over the years without the help of pompous salesman or having to spend insane prices for my equipment.
@haraldmiller4894
@haraldmiller4894 5 лет назад
Cool story man! I like that.
@mckirby56
@mckirby56 3 года назад
Late 70s I walked into a "high end" audio store in Canton, OH open minded and willing to learn about audio. As soon as I told the salesman I had about $300 dollars to spend I was pretty much ignored even though there were no other customers in the store. Pre-internet, I was left on my own to learn and shop for myself by this snob salesman. I found a turntable, amp and speakers for my money and I still use and enjoy these to this day. Now, years later, that I can afford more expensive gear I remember like it was yesterday how I was treated by these audio snobs. If there even were audio stores around these days I have no need to buy from them with the many reviews here on you tube and the internet.
@sf2explus184
@sf2explus184 2 года назад
that guy hated his job. 300 dallars back in the late 70s is decent enough money for a solid system for that time maybe not the best but good enough
@paulshepherd-smith1875
@paulshepherd-smith1875 4 месяца назад
The comment at 5:45 is so true. I have a ‘good’ system that whilst not the best is a step up from consumer. When friends come over and listen they are genuinely amazed in good way. There’s no embarrassment about what they have but a realisation that more is available is fantastic to see.
@m.9243
@m.9243 5 лет назад
There's a heck of a lot of 'snake oil' stuff nowdays associated with high end equipment. Back in the old days, there was real value in whatever one bought, unlike now that many manufacturers charge extraordinary amounts of money for components build like a 'tank' but sounding very ordinary. One has only to test some vintage bits of equipment to realize that 'old gear' was not _that_ bad after all..
@funkymonkey1198
@funkymonkey1198 5 лет назад
In my 25 years of buying hifi i have only had one badly built component....a Philips DVD/sacd player where the front fascia was coming off. So i never waste money on stuff that advertises or boasts or thst reviewers justify the cost because it is "built like a tank". OPPO I am looking at you. Doesnt matter you are bust anyway. When you first started you were the OnePlus of AV. Top quality for low price.
@socksumi
@socksumi 5 лет назад
So true. Many vintage amps/preamps sound as good or better than anything made today at any price. 1978 Sansui 919 is a good example.
@MrPeeBeeDeeBee
@MrPeeBeeDeeBee 5 лет назад
My flagship Nad 372 expired so I replaced it with a Cambridge Azur 640A. Then a few months later my house was hit by lightning and the amp was fried. Now, for me, a day with out music is a day wasted... so I manged to scrounge an old Yamaha A500 from 1982. It's got a fixed power cord, non-gold RCA'a - shock horror! and those crappy spring loaded speaker terminals. Well I was blown away by how good, and better, this A500 is. A happy ending - really.
@timcoker4685
@timcoker4685 5 лет назад
My Sansui stereo system is over forty years old. 881 receiver, SE9 EQ, 3060 turntable and four SP2000 speakers. This stereo still performs as new and has never let me down. Sound is clean and loud!!! The top end stereos of the 70s were best ever made.
@oldskool80sfan12
@oldskool80sfan12 5 лет назад
Αrthur Manolopoulos Well said.
@thomasrhee5150
@thomasrhee5150 5 лет назад
Andy Singer’s reputation as an arrogant ass is well known amongst the audiophile community. It’s people like him that gives audiophiles the stereotypical snobby label. He snubbed anyone who wouldn’t spend over 10k back in the day (80s/90s). Ironically, IMO, it’s guys like him that turned off a new generation of audiophiles.
@Billfish57
@Billfish57 5 лет назад
Not only are kids today listening to horrible equipment, it is by far the worst time ever to hear music, new music today is the worst. It all sounds the same, mostly girls voices singing the same lyrics in ever song. the 70's was the time for equipment and new music and concerts, it all started down hill in the 80's and has gotten worse every decade until now where it is so bad, it's depressing. Where will the new artist come from when so few now play an instrument? It looks bleak and sounds worse. The dynamic range disappeared with the switch to CD's, it didn't have to, that was the record companies doing, they deserve a painful death for what they did to music.
@cb2000a
@cb2000a 5 лет назад
Music today is formula. Music has been de-evolving for decades now.
@zenos.5315
@zenos.5315 5 лет назад
It wasn’t rebellion, it was convenience and affordability,the high fi industry priced itself out of business. Now it’s just a rich mans hobby, something to brag about to there rich guy buddies. Hey Bob how much for those speakers? Oh let’s see oh yea 65k. I truly became fed up with all the bull, and spent very little on a very listenable system. Find a good set up for yourselves and enjoy
@ksteiger
@ksteiger 5 лет назад
As soon as he claimed that CDs LOWERED the qaulity of audio reproduction... I was out. Beats the crap out of a casette ANY day....
@swinde
@swinde 5 лет назад
No, a properly recorded CD will have a better S/N ratio and absolutely no clicks and pops as well as other surface noise. I have both. CDs in the 2000s were recorded with excessive compression and of course sounded poor compared to well recorded LPs. But even LPs that were compilations of "hits" with 20-30 tracks suffered from this compression.
@Scottlp2
@Scottlp2 4 года назад
Swinde CDs were unlistenable for 5-10 years after they came out.
@ninjaturtle205
@ninjaturtle205 4 года назад
@Jeffrey Johnson I have heard that to get cd quality sound on vinyl you need to invest like two three grand on related audio equipment
@gigngamer
@gigngamer 4 года назад
@Jeffrey Johnson nop
@mondellomusic
@mondellomusic 5 лет назад
The snobbish attitude from some of these guys hurts the business. It should really be about the best presentation of the music, that's for everyone. These guys shouldn't be gatekeepers, or roadblocks. As an old git from 1978 I would say "welcome young listeners, it's a cool hobby, have fun, get into it, enjoy the listening experience"
@TheMusicForMasses
@TheMusicForMasses 5 лет назад
Great video as always Steve! But I do not get what is dude's real problem?! Gear behind him is 3K+ each. His target market are not those broke kids listening mp3's on their mobile devices but mostly older fellas (like me :) with significant disposable cash to waste (not me :( ) on technology that is mostly from a last century. (excluding HUGE advances of DAC, streaming technology, lossless digital files and in some instances headphone gear). Hi-End companies are shooting themself in a foot with pricing targeting mostly people with a deep pockets and basements to set up their pricy gear and get away from their family. Some honorable exceptions are Elac, Schiit Audio, Parasound and handful of others that I missed. Another point is a lifestyle - people today are more on the move rather than staying at home, unless they are working remotely (from home). A sole existence of lossless digital files is a big thing for me personally as I can carry my portable player and headphones with me wherever I travel. My records and CD collection is mostly collecting a dust. So investing a small fortune in Hi-End gear is totally unjustifiable if one does not have a decent amount of time to enjoy it. And that so-called "vinyl revival" is utter rubbish! 90% of vinyl print-houses from the end of 80's went belly-up with intro of CD's and home-theatre later on, as Andy mentioned in his video, and those few remaining have launched print prices over the roof (read: supply and demand). I can not picture a teenagers or even people in their 20's or 30' starting to build their record collection and invest £20+ for a vinyl?! Obviously there are honourable exceptions but as a general rule, such is not likely to happen on industrial scale. Sure, one can easily build very good HiFi system for £700-1500 but a few fundamental questions are: a) Should I invest money in HiFi (plus ongoing expenses for buying a music) or buy a new laptop, game console or whatever else I am interested in? b) Do I have time to enjoy my music at home? c) Do i have the appropriate space in my home for a gear I want to buy? d) Is type of music that I love really benefits from the gear upgrade? Regarding the last point - unfortunately most of electronica recordings nowadays is such badly recorded that it almost makes no difference if I am listening it through my Mac audio output or Hugo 2! Sad but true :( So folks, enjoy your music in whatever format & gear it pleases you and have a fun ;)
@socksumi
@socksumi 5 лет назад
I totally agee, especially the part about "older fellas" setting up a system to "get away from their family".
@jeffwilson3527
@jeffwilson3527 5 лет назад
I believe he said HIGH END audio from the beginning .
@TheAlphaAudio
@TheAlphaAudio 5 лет назад
That ch precision left and right is far more than 3k...
@j_freed
@j_freed 5 лет назад
TheMusicForMasses TLDR but I'd say pro audio might be the best, just skip high end consumer entirely. It's a money trap. Perhaps buy a used Bryson power amp and whatever else, or any decent set of JBL self powered monitors, those aren't that expensive. Multi thousand dollar cork sniffing British speakers and hand-wired tube amps are beautiful and nice things but then so are jewelled Rolexes and Bentley coupes.
@JoeAnshien
@JoeAnshien 5 лет назад
I agree 100% . I could not get rid of my records fast enough once I replaced them with CDs. I would play my records once to tape them, and use the tape till it wore out, and them record a new one. I hated tape hiss, but I hated scratched records and pops even more. Now it is all converted to digital and have never looked back. I think these "hipsters" going back to vinyl are insane and wasting their money. But everyone has a right to enjoy and spend money on whatever they like.
@rightslot1
@rightslot1 5 лет назад
to--Atane. So sorry to read what you experienced with this Singer ass. I know first hand how that treatment (of lack of any) feels. And don't be surprised if within his heart it wouldn't have mattered if he actually seen your money. "I'm elite, and I don't want you or your kind in my club." That's what is really going on. But I'm glad you found a store a little north and I hope it's working good for you. And to Steve Guttenberg? Maybe you steer the interview a bit?
@steved2667
@steved2667 5 лет назад
Horseshit. CD's are fine. Right, as the dude from below says, "...stick it..."
@jdlech
@jdlech 5 лет назад
Attitudes are different these days. HiFi sales was handed off from the engineers to the marketers. Today, we are technically capable of such great stuff. But instead, mediocre stuff is passed off as high end. People are dropping thousands of dollars on cheap plastic and low quality junk and they don't know it. Largely because even when they educate themselves, marketers outright lie about their specs. We need a big consortium of mid to high end producers educating people on what to look for and what to watch out for.
@garyluciani370
@garyluciani370 5 лет назад
One thing I disagree with is his statement that mp3 sounds terrible. The initial low kbs. mp3 maybe, but the higher kbs. mp3, not true. The majority of people when tested in blind tests, can't even tell the difference. Don't get me started on the hi-res b.s.
@j_freed
@j_freed 5 лет назад
Gary Luciani - the majority of people don't even care, so there's that also. Even if 5-10 percent hear what's better, the other 90-95 percent who claim not to doesn't change the reality that people can appreciate the difference of higher resolution audio. I'm realistic about the limitations of my MP3 player (@196) and my affordable but strong Shure earphones, there's a spending limit that I accept as worthwhile, and no way is the audio that great even for the $300 spent. Some early 1990s cassette Walkmans could have way better top end (and decent headphones) but who wants to carry all that stuff around?
@jamescarter3196
@jamescarter3196 5 лет назад
"Don't get me started on the hi-res b.s." -- So you don't have fine hearing, ok, you're not somebody who can appreciate high-resolution sound, but don't bother with calling it "b.s." since you're not an expert, you're just a dude who can't tell the difference between a studio master and an mp3, and that's very sad for you. It doesn't make your opinion MORE valid, though.
@juancornetto8243
@juancornetto8243 5 лет назад
@@jamescarter3196 No human can benefit from a sampling rate above 44.1khz on final playback. You clearly are not an expert either. Look up intermodulation distortion.
@hagbard72
@hagbard72 4 года назад
What happens when these kids and their cellphones discover real audio and find out what they've been listening to is Auto Tune garbage?
@JBLClassic
@JBLClassic 4 года назад
I’ve been at this since around the late 80’s. My dad always loved stereos but was more of the stacked Advent camp. The longer this goes on, the more unnatural un-musical this Uber high end stuff has become. In all honesty, you’re not even buying extra expensive stuff because it lasts longer or Is more reliable. Thank god I discovered the new JBL line and got off this end high farce.
@Heldermaior
@Heldermaior 3 года назад
Not to take value away from most of the stuff he said but CDs lowered quality? C'mon dude...
@DougMen1
@DougMen1 5 лет назад
There was high end audio equipment before '78. A Dynaco ST70 or Fisher 500 sounds better than a lot of what passes as high end these days.
@rupe53
@rupe53 5 лет назад
DM... Yup, and I had one of each till about 2 months ago, when I sold my Dynaco stuff to an old friend who was looking to replace his PAS-3 with a PAS-3x preamp. (built them myself in the late 60s) Still have the Fisher. I also have a SPEC-1 and SPEC-2 that I found at a yard sale for $20 each. Yes, they weigh a ton but the sound they produce is like having a big block Chevy on tap in your living room!
@danforthirepair9085
@danforthirepair9085 5 лет назад
I own a stereo 70 with Macintosh mx110, with large advent speakers. Even my kids who don't know good sound from a tin can like the sound. It is pure and wonderful
@justpassnthru
@justpassnthru 4 года назад
This peckerhead lost me at 2:44. SMH
@alexanderbelov6892
@alexanderbelov6892 4 года назад
Probably Steve builds correlation between CD, that made music publishing cheap in comparison to vinyl, and a appearence of thousands of new bands and singers of 1980+ era in music, whose music may be not perfect despite improvements in recording and mastering tech. CD itself is better in specs than vinyl. But music on CDs may be worse than what was published on vinyl before 1980. CD developers solved many problems of vinyl like dynamic range up to 96dB vs. 60 dB on vinyl, signal to noise ratio can be as low as -96dB vs. -70dB for vinyl, no wear during play (still CD may become aged in 50 years depending on storing conditions), some tolerance to contamination of read surface. What was most important digital copies were all bit to bit identical (if master stamp is not weared to give low contrast), so every consumer has equal chance to hear what was published, and do not use terms like first print, so on.
@michaelwiggler511
@michaelwiggler511 5 лет назад
CD lowered quality of reproduction... give me a break. Another old school analog purist.
@content4502
@content4502 5 лет назад
mlchael wiggler, The deaf guy, wants a break ....
@michaelwiggler511
@michaelwiggler511 5 лет назад
Content produce a record from recording,mixing to mastering in both digital and analog and tell me i am deaf. I am audio engineer and producer for a living and people pay me to know these things. You are just dumb fuck who owns old vinyl collection who reads on audiophile forum when people say : analog is better, it has infinite resolution bro. ; but does not even know what it even means.
@Ladco77
@Ladco77 5 лет назад
Digital will always be, at best, an approximation of analog sound. By definition. The goal is to make it good enough you can't tell the difference. The big problem with CD audio wasn't so much the format as it was the quality of the master. Compressed dynamic range when creating the master allows the recording to have that "wall of sound" and in your face feel even at lower volumes - but it destroys the subtlety of the music. Old vinyl sounds better not because it's an analog format, but because it was mastered with a better dynamic range. Some early CDs had better dynamic range as well, but the loudness wars have claimed virtually all of them. Here's a good demonstration of the change: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3Gmex_4hreQ.html
@jamescarter3196
@jamescarter3196 5 лет назад
@@michaelwiggler511 "You are just dumb fuck who owns old vinyl who reads on audiophile forum..." Great grammar there, stupid. So you're just one of those blowhards who gets angry in your insistence that analog is terrible and digital is better. If you knew what you were talking about, you wouldn't have to get angry about it, because you'd be able to make a point instead of saying childish bullshit. You don't know anything about sound production.
@michaelwiggler511
@michaelwiggler511 5 лет назад
James Carter i do that for a living.
@farmerdave7965
@farmerdave7965 5 лет назад
Jibberish
@bluematrix5001
@bluematrix5001 5 лет назад
well the music(masters) today are recorded(captured) 98% of the times into digital....so the notion that he said the quality is lower is just a romantic/selling concept, where turntables "spund better"...they mat sound cool and of course different...but not at all true to the source!
@carforumwanker
@carforumwanker 5 лет назад
Far too much bullshit and marketing . A good Dual turntable, NAD amp and some AR Speakers was good enough .But MP3 fucked hifi for almost ever .
@alexanderbelov6892
@alexanderbelov6892 4 года назад
When MP3 was developped in 1990s as audio track encoding for MPEG and MPEG2 it was feasible to compress audio for movies sound, so that compressed video and audio can be passed through low performance Internet links and put it on CDs and DVDs. It was never developped as separate audio format for music distribution, but became popular since the same CD can contain 80 min of non-compressed music and 10-20 hours of music in MP3. I don't see the reason MP3 is still feasible for music distribution. Internet links are x10,000 faster, disc storages have x10,000 more volume. I think it is time to forget about music distribution via MP3 or any other compressed lossy format. The only usecase compressed formats are feasible is still video+audio content, including 5.1/7.1/11.1 audio encoding, multi-language audio tracks on Blue Ray, and similar formats.
@swinde
@swinde 5 лет назад
2:43 ... CDs in NO WAY by themselves degraded the quality of audio. The main failure was the practice of compressing the sound until there was no dynamic range left in the recording. This had its beginnings in FM radio, but had also been with vinyl to cram more tracks on a record. I had a Donna Summer track ("I Feel Love") on vinyl with out compression and another copy on a greatest songs from various artist on a LP that had about 30 tracks. The difference was incredible. At some point studios began to compress almost ALL recordings, so the quality went down. Most of my system is Early 1970s components plus a CD player from 1984.
@llaeeZ
@llaeeZ 5 лет назад
Finally someone gets it!
@nicksundby
@nicksundby 3 года назад
Most dealerships add very little value, that's why so many go bust.
@MedIevalCyrax
@MedIevalCyrax 5 лет назад
Those high end speakers don't mean shit when everything is recorded these days to sound like every other artist,no matter what genre,music no longer has any soul to it.
@adamdelarozza1985
@adamdelarozza1985 5 лет назад
Cause they are soulless snowflakes who didn't learn to play a musical instrument, just use auto tone that sounds like a synthetic dolphin.
@michaelwiggler511
@michaelwiggler511 5 лет назад
Sound quality has nothing with genre. So don’t be dumb.
@MedIevalCyrax
@MedIevalCyrax 5 лет назад
@@michaelwiggler511 That's not the point,re-read what I said.
@michaelwiggler511
@michaelwiggler511 5 лет назад
MedIevalCyrax you said music have to have soul which i can relate to people talking about specific genre has soul than other or more specifically one type of music than other. But does not count even 10% when you talk about sound quality. Soul has nothing to do with sound quality
@MedIevalCyrax
@MedIevalCyrax 5 лет назад
@@michaelwiggler511 It's not about sound quality,it's about modern music sounding all the time due modern "musicians" if you can even call them that
@abajaj1510
@abajaj1510 5 лет назад
Total salesman ...knows about as much about audio gear as a Ferrari salesman knows about cars.....
@tom-iv6lc
@tom-iv6lc 5 лет назад
I used to sell some high end gear. The industry is full of elitist snobs. The irony is that it takes young ears to hear it and older trained ears to know what to listen for. By the time you know HOW to listen you simply cant hear as well as you used to. Learn about speaker placement, get a quality source and respectable speakers. That's most of it. Its a dying industry honestly.
@charlespatrick8650
@charlespatrick8650 5 лет назад
tom colopy just living cuts high frequency hearing past 40-50 years old, even younger if ears have been abused
@zzeuss87
@zzeuss87 5 лет назад
No kidding. I was in deep in the eighties, hi-fi shops were mostly horrible, but there were some that were ok. Thirty+ years on, it is now so different. People don't know what they are not hearing today. My set-up from back in the day sounded like music. Today's offerings sadden me.
@hazchem1
@hazchem1 5 лет назад
+ Tom Colopy. Odd point of view from someone who used to be in the Industry! What you've said is a lot of nonsense mate, sorry. The Industry has been effected by the sale of MP3, Steaming and Soundbars and the failure of the high end market to adapt and keep up.
@fredriksvard2603
@fredriksvard2603 5 лет назад
As it should be.
@andrewganley9016
@andrewganley9016 5 лет назад
How true Tom,elephant in the room its called and as for those 'boys with toys; hi fi mag reviewers lets not go there!
@aussie8114
@aussie8114 4 года назад
CDs did not lower the quality of reproduction. Sure I know analog vs digital, but CDs were way better sounding than scratchy vinyl.
@wclark3196
@wclark3196 5 лет назад
Jesus, Steve! How could you stand 16 years of going in to work and having to listen to this guy bloviating?
@johnnemesh5459
@johnnemesh5459 4 года назад
Well, there is a LOT less cocaine involved, for one thing...
@steveearnshaw2216
@steveearnshaw2216 5 лет назад
As a kid in the mid 1960’s, I knew the difference between my hand held transistor radio listening to top 40 am radio at the beach, and listening to my parents classical records on their Magnavox console in the living room. Two vastly different musical experiences, but both equally valid for their intended purpose. The cassette Sony Walkman was replaced by the CD version, and later replaced by the iPod. Serious listening remains in my living room. The Magnavox was replaced many times by a a nice, very satisfying audiophile system. The challenge, imho, is to introduce the world of great music to the generation who sees it as simply background to the busy lives. The Magnavox was not so bad after all.
@JoePalau
@JoePalau 5 лет назад
Steve Earnshaw I think you got it. The same was true of the mid 50’s When I fell in love with the home audio systems of my friends parents. HiFi was exotic but so much closer to the concert hall experience than the modest but prevalent table radios of the day. I was listening to WQXR broadcasts of live opera back then. When I hear a good recording of the same music on a big HiFi system it was comparable to going from black & white to color. A Wagner overature became a wonder to behold, something that made no sense to me on my home radio. It was transformative. Nonetheless. Now it iPhone tunes via Bluetooth to an “active” speaker. No comparison yet it is the standard of the day. Compressed sound, compressed sound stage, dynamics, compressed everything....
@kingtrance6826
@kingtrance6826 5 лет назад
You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make them drink. If you introduce them and then they still don’t get it then they probably ain’t ever gonna get it.
@michaelmeece
@michaelmeece 5 лет назад
Perfect summation
@dorengarcia5097
@dorengarcia5097 5 лет назад
Music fanATICS have ALWAYS been a small minority of the public. Most people have always listened superficially. In fact one great composer proclaimed: "To listen is an effort, and just to hear is no merit. A duck hears also." Igor Stravinsky
@1984-q3v
@1984-q3v 4 года назад
@@kingtrance6826 I got my 'lost generation' nephew (born in 1990) and his bride a nice quality, vintage turntable set-up for their wedding. They are both music lovers but had never taken the time to appreciate music as a contemplative listening experience. He tells me that he is now hearing music on the records that he had never even heard on his iPod versions. Needless to say, he enjoys both versions for what they offer, but he is now a record collector, too. But irrespective of the generation, pursuing quality sound isn't for everyone.
@mostirreverent
@mostirreverent 4 года назад
The music was better, no one was happy with just earbuds
@timwilson3435
@timwilson3435 5 лет назад
I have a healthy dose of skepticism regarding what this guy is saying on the internet.
@TR3NCII
@TR3NCII 5 лет назад
'before faxes' xD It's amazing how people not only get old but are also programmed to feel old. Tragic :/
@TR3NCII
@TR3NCII 5 лет назад
@Sheniquahhh Smith DEATH, N00B. THAT'S WHAT I'M FUCKEN TALKING ABOUT. SOMETHING NOBODY, EVEN N00BS LIKE YOU CAN'T ESCAPE. :P
@andreasleonlandgren3092
@andreasleonlandgren3092 5 лет назад
Hey this is snob reviewer interviewing snob hifi salesman
@ks4545
@ks4545 5 лет назад
I get having a brick and mortar hifi store these days is murder with the overhead, small volume, customers who shop endlessly and don't buy, or use the store to demo and then buy elsewhere (via internet usually to save a few dollars). I'm sure there are lots of other hardships a non-industry person like me doesn't even contemplate, especially here in the NY metro area. But the flip side is that unfortunately, all the stories about the super snobbery in specialty hifi shops is true. The giving the walk in customer the once over and then the instant determination as to whether they're even worthy of any attention at all or if they should just be ignored and hope they go away, the you're too dumb and ignorant to know what's good or what you already have is crap or whatever anyone else carries is garbage, the absolute privilege it is for you to even be in my presence attitude, the high pressure buy now or get out. All true. But I was lucky to have found a place I love and where I am happy to spend my dollars, and much free time. Before they even knew me they spent considerable time with me, allowed me to bring basically my entire system in to demo against some equipment they had, and to give me excellent advise, service and friendship ever since. Little did any of these other places know that although I look like I've got $40 to spend, I now have a system costing close $40K. I know for some that's insane lunacy money and for others it's a mere drop in the bucket. And there are certainly worse and better systems out there. To each his own. So the amount of money I've spent is proof of nothing, except I was willing to spend it and these other places could have had it, but for their lousy condescending arrogance.
@Redspeciality
@Redspeciality 5 лет назад
My first system was simple but amazing sound. A Dual turntable with ADC XLM Mkii cartridge, a Crown IC150 preamp and Crown DC300A amp, and two 6 foot tall Magnepan Magneplanar electrostatic speakers. I would sit in a pitch black room, crank the amps way up and zone out on Dark Side of the Moon.
@thomasstambaugh4832
@thomasstambaugh4832 5 лет назад
My setup exactly. My IC150 died because the volume pots rotted after 20 years and Crown said they couldn't be replaced. My DC300A is still going strong (I've had to replace those enormous electrolytic capacitors twice), and my Magneplanars still sound great. I added an active sub with an active crossover I built myself (I'm an EE), and I ditched my turntable thirty years ago.
@TobyIKanoby
@TobyIKanoby 4 года назад
You lost me at "lost generation", what a load of bullshit is that?
@michaelmartin9022
@michaelmartin9022 5 лет назад
I remember reading a tech magazine in the mid-90's predicting that everybody would be walking around with a "credit-card sized computer terminal" packed with all the information and entertainment they'd ever need, and thinking "that'll be awesome". Now we're in that future and I'm listening to The Three Degrees on records that are older than I am.
@bluesky6985
@bluesky6985 5 лет назад
You don't need high end for Wrap music.
@azdesert5497
@azdesert5497 5 лет назад
70's had good sounding stereos.
@goodall18
@goodall18 3 года назад
He doesn't always drink beer, but when he does, he prefers Dos Equis.
@RAIDER4LIFE131
@RAIDER4LIFE131 5 лет назад
Hey chong where's cheech homie!!
@67daltonknox
@67daltonknox 5 лет назад
I have been interested in music reproduction for 50 years. It isn't the $150,000 speakers that annoy me so much as the $5,000 power cable which Singer no doubt considers essential
@tinydiccbandito4953
@tinydiccbandito4953 3 года назад
Using "audiophile cables" is like serving shit on a crystal plate and silver cutlery. It still is shit just like cables in your wall that are basically coat hangers. 5000$ cable won't make the energy better
@Make-Asylums-Great-Again
@Make-Asylums-Great-Again 4 года назад
He can pass on now, he clearly knows everything.
@Canadian_Eh_I
@Canadian_Eh_I 3 года назад
I dont understand why everyone is taking stabs at this guy. honestly , why do you dislike him so much?
@sloebone7399
@sloebone7399 5 лет назад
Rode makes some great microphones for video use. If you’re going to have a channel on audio reproduction, you really should put some more effort into your audio production. $200 would boost your sound quality immensely. And while we’re at it, a little variety in your camera angle and may some thought about lighting and background would go a long way too. This looks like a deposition.
@throughmyeyes9940
@throughmyeyes9940 5 лет назад
"high-end" audio equipment was around way before 1978
@amauksch1
@amauksch1 5 лет назад
1974 Marantz 2325
@senoJSR
@senoJSR 5 лет назад
Andrew's expertise is in picking quality high end components that complement his wallet when he finds a sucker to sell to.
@mercerville1111
@mercerville1111 5 лет назад
Some CDs sound great, some do not. Some vinyl is incredible, some are not. It’s not rocket science. Not sure what this guy is rambling on about but god I hope to never get stuck in an elevator with him.
@cuda426hemi
@cuda426hemi 5 лет назад
Why 1978? Audiophiles got their game on starting with my Dad in the late 50s with the first stereo records and Dynaco tube kits with Garrard turntables and 2 - 3 way horn loaded EV Knight (from Atlas Chicago) cabinets. By 1978 you are only a few years away from the death of high quality audio when the CDs came out and then all the audio stores Federated, StereoLab, Pacific Stereo, Cambridge Audio, RogerSoundLabs all disappeared virtually over night. Later the kids got MP3 crap and that's "good enough" has ruled ever since. It's okay because the music they play on MP3s today is garbage anyway with no discerning of frequencies unless they are ghetto sub bass crap.
@davidviner4932
@davidviner4932 5 лет назад
He sounds like he loves himself, wonder if he’s now deaf
@cristi724
@cristi724 5 лет назад
mp3's are bad mkay. So just convert them to flac, write the flacs to tape, and cut yourself some vinyl from those tapes. 1000% more depth and warmth to the sounds guaranteed!
@raffiequler7510
@raffiequler7510 5 лет назад
Cristian, when you convert an MP3 file to FLAC you are just changing to a different container, but inside you still have the same amount of bits. You are not very smart so please keep the crazy comments to yourself.
@cristi724
@cristi724 5 лет назад
@@raffiequler7510 woosh...
@alexanderbelov6892
@alexanderbelov6892 4 года назад
😄
@Jsims111
@Jsims111 5 лет назад
For those that say Vinyl as a media is superior to CD, I propose a little experiment; If you have the equipment to do so. Take your Hi-Fi record player and hook it up to a PC with a nice DAC. Record the audio from your record to the PC in a lossless format such as .wav or flac. Burn that onto a CDR at a slow speed. Then play that CDR on your HI-end CD player. My theory is: If done correctly, all the warmth and tone that you like about vinyl should be accurately reproduced by the CD that you just created. Bonus points if you possess retail CD version of the album to compare and reference. Post your results. Maybe Slayd5000 could chime in on this.
@cirenosnor5768
@cirenosnor5768 Год назад
It’s not just “warmth and tone” that makes vinyl appealing. More often than not vinyl on a true high end table with a better phono preamp will have a bigger soundstage and more ambiance
@robertkat
@robertkat 5 лет назад
You need to go back to 1965, that is were we had tube amps, tube preamps, reel to reel taperecorders. Measured thd, wow and flutter on turntables.
@GustoTheGamer
@GustoTheGamer 5 лет назад
today music has become a disposable product. That's why the most record stores are out of business. There will be always a market for high end audio but its a small one. The masses like free music on there iphone than rather buying a physical copy of the same album on cd or vinyl. The little group that buys physical want a good audio system. I think that’s The sad true.
@20CycleMonger
@20CycleMonger 5 лет назад
Josh, how much are you paying for vinyl?! Must be expensive to call it a "fiscal" copy instead of physical : love the Freudian slip ;-)
@AnonymousUser77254
@AnonymousUser77254 5 лет назад
Joshi Oyabun well you don't need a physical copy to have good sound. No difference between a CD and the WAV file ripped from that CD.
@yufengliu9054
@yufengliu9054 5 лет назад
Elitism coming from someone who can barely write and spell English.
@GustoTheGamer
@GustoTheGamer 5 лет назад
Carlito Melon lol sorry wrong spelling...anyway i pay 50 euro max for a album
@gkinmotion
@gkinmotion 5 лет назад
That's true, roughly 23 new songs are created and uploaded per minute. New talented musicians started out every year. The industry is flooded with wannabes and those trying to stay relevant.
@wross5961
@wross5961 5 лет назад
Got a cheap zte phone with Dolby Atmos equalizer using audio Technica headphones m50,I have to say it's pretty close to perfection in sound.I do still prefer my HiFi stereo but I only like to play it loud.
@leomignonneau1765
@leomignonneau1765 5 лет назад
yeah I have the same, but it's not perfection in sound. By a long shot. Something like a good Stax amp + and headphone would be very much closer
@colorscompletely
@colorscompletely 5 лет назад
love this channel... growing up I would read audiophile magazines in awe of the beautiful designs and promise of incredible sound experiences... this channel and great videos like this bring all that goodness back... well done Steve!
@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac
@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac 5 лет назад
William Weaver thanks!
@timw.9466
@timw.9466 3 года назад
Singers a bonehead.
@Black_Cat_997
@Black_Cat_997 5 лет назад
I am tuning this out after he claimed that CDs lowered the quality of audio. Complete garbage.
@buzzcrushtrendkill
@buzzcrushtrendkill 5 лет назад
I hear ya. When I heard him say that I knew that this guy did not know anything about audio. He is just a curmudgeon old geezer.
@williammay8413
@williammay8413 5 лет назад
Back in 1978 I didn’t know anything about hi end audio , I can remember A receiver that had 55 watts per channel and I thought I had the best amp anywhere,it was a Marantz . 🔈
@socksumi
@socksumi 5 лет назад
One huge difference is that in 1978 high end gear was reasonably affordable and most audiophiles could aspire to own it if they saved. Now prices are so ridiculous that only the very wealthy can afford it. Back in 78 some of the best speakers sold for under $3000 pr. Now high end speakers can cost up to $300,000.
@gbrm6077
@gbrm6077 5 лет назад
You're right about that. I had Radford 360 speakers that were built from a kit. A Thorens turntable, Audio Research pre-amp and a SAE amplifier. It was a high end system then and was quite affordable. I think I paid about $400 for the top of the line amp. Today, the new SAE amp starts at over twenty grand. The other difference was that high end brands were quite limited. Thorens, Linn and a couple of others were the only turntables to be considered. Same for amps etc. Today the number of brands are almost staggering. Back then, with so few brands available, it was pretty easy to match components for the best sound.
@kingtrance6826
@kingtrance6826 5 лет назад
Yeah but you still don’t have to spend outrageous sums to get excellent audio quality. You can purchase pre owned gear, Tekton Double Impact for example makes a real nice pair of speakers for around three grand. There’s plenty of ways to put together a great sounding system on a budget. I was around and got started in audio back around 78 so I don’t really agree that you have to be wealthy. Most of us aren’t Rockefeller.
@socksumi
@socksumi 5 лет назад
@@gbrm6077 Fancy that... another Radford speaker fan. I've owned and three pairs of Radfords over my life but never the big Studio 360s. I did have Radfor 270s though but they worked better in a large open room. Wish I'd never parted with them.
@doctorrazz
@doctorrazz 5 лет назад
Most of the modern hi end gear is bogus. Get a 24/96 MQA streamer/ amp and any of the Klipsch Heritage line of speakers, and a Tidal HiFi contract.
@ralex3697
@ralex3697 13 дней назад
It was all relative. I couldn’t afford anything, now I can, so your theory is wrong.
@charliedavidson3878
@charliedavidson3878 5 лет назад
Not the best one yet . lets first say the late seventies is when I started selling and installing audio . It was also the tail end of HI FI not the beginning or middle . The peak of Hi Fi was from early to mid 70's . It was when Vacuum tubes were replaced with solid state at volume ( no pun ) it was when Direct drives drove ( pun) the industry . Luxman and McIntosh clinics were at their peak or what I call the variac wars . Hi Fi and anyone can debate it all they want It was killed by home Audio video not CD's. CD's if anything kept it going longer because it added high-end listening to car audio. Car Audio was used by many Hi Fi shops to subsidize their income during the 70's , Car audio during the end kept the doors open . The reason why Cd's are blamed for poor audio quality is because at the same time Home audio video introduced junk equipment and junk speakers systems . Let's stop blaming CD's ,Vinyl is not better and the proof is out there just do the research. The old saying was if you want to make a million dollars in Hi Fi you better start with two . The supershops also killed Hi-Fi because it was profit margins . To answer your question from someone with no dog in the fight . what has changed in the last 40 years is lack of credible information and the lack of stereo shops . Too much internet misinformation too many boutique speakers . If nothing else the 70's had about 30-40 hi-fi magazines compared to maybe 5 that we have today . Also the content was way different it divided stereo in classes , cost, models , and best buys etc now they only cover brands that pay them . Today's stereo magazines are no more than stereo ads . Stereo review and hi fidelity used to break it down into price ranges and classes best buys etc . Everything I have ever said can be verified . People for whatever reasons are trying to rewrite stereo history . I remember when Marantz was junk ??? I remember people trading in MC60 mc75's MX110's TD124's for pennies on the dollar SX1050 for 75.00 now the they cost more than current best in class equipment . No one and I mean no one wanted vacuum tube equipment and belt drives anymore . People are reaching new levels of foolishness . Vintage means risk, it doesn't mean quality . Biggest change people want and demand 99.99 % of their money back when they resell . You can blame eBay for that I guess ?
@Romerosays
@Romerosays 5 лет назад
Unfortunately the styling today isn't as pretty as it was back in the 70's and 80's
@mikecooley3361
@mikecooley3361 5 лет назад
yep, i'll take the old stuff over the black plastic we've had for years
@bernardlanguillier7970
@bernardlanguillier7970 4 года назад
Really? You can get any styling you wish today. From classic looking Mcintosh, Luxman or Audio Research to completely streamlined such as Devialet. Same for any component, be it speaker, turntable,...
@Romerosays
@Romerosays 4 года назад
@@bernardlanguillier7970 Yes really! None of those come close, way less knobs, switches and lights, styling nowhere near as pretty. Today's attempt can only try and mimic what once was. Back in those days I had a full component matching top of the line Pioneer rack set up on castors, with reel to reel and equaliser, can't find anything like that today. The only thing going for todays gear compared to back then is the advanced technology driving it.
@bernardlanguillier7970
@bernardlanguillier7970 4 года назад
@@Romerosays well there is small but active Reel to Reel community. Mostly relying on second hand players but there are still a few new ones being produced, admittedly at high prices. Anyway, so be it. Things were better before... As far as I am concerned, I really appreciated having in my living room an incredibly good sounding system whose only visible part are the speakers... but to each your own.
@Romerosays
@Romerosays 4 года назад
@@bernardlanguillier7970 Surely you'd have to admit the component styling did look more attractive back then. I'm with you on great sound. Personally I myself don't care much for looks these days, today I run hand built high end Plinius components, very plain to look at, but the quality and results are there.
@hatch1892
@hatch1892 3 года назад
Sounds a tad snobby.
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