How different stem lengths affect a dart

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An experiment I have done at home looking at how different stems affect the dart. In this study I looked at the speed of the dart, the angle of entry and the darts journey to the board.
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@ScorpionDarts 2 года назад

Material is such a science itself. In my opinion you can get used to everything new in a few minutes so it should not bother you at all. But thats way easier said than done. What makes you a good player is connecting your synapsis to create muscle memory which leads to good darts. So its practice > everything. I'm using medium stems JUST BECAUSE I looked at the T32 of the world and most of them do it. :D So I picked the weight of my darts (22g). But then comes the day when I put shorts on my set up and hit everything, just to **** my head up again...you just have to love the darts.

@thgaming3222 2 года назад

Ich feiers so, dass du auch matthew Edgar schaust 😂👍

@finneetfriet.3925 2 года назад

i had the exact opposite. i used short shafts for a long time and switched to medium shafts just for fun and found out i hit way more…

@charronellis9961 2 года назад

Good stuff, Matthew. I would love to see a video like this one but with longer vs. shorter points.

@alandixon622 2 года назад

Great idea!

@forky-reviews-and-rants 2 года назад

Im glad you`ve brought this up from your flights video.....I was an aero engineer and how I have taught all my friends and players in my local team is if you throw hard and fast then you need a short or medium stem with kite flight but if you are a slow thrower or floater then its a long stem and standard flight is needed....Great video and good advice from a pro player

@WhatTheHellRecords 2 года назад

You and Matt should do a video together. Would be good to hear the physics and engineering side

@danielvernon7848 2 года назад

Awesome video that matt this has so helped me gain more confidence in playin darts as I'm in a darts team at my local thank you so much for this matt so appreciate it mate

@tomgengar 2 года назад

Good video , it makes some difference . For my favourite darts the best are inbetween stems with standard size flights no. 2 .

@grahammusto7759 2 года назад

Good article Matt. Just put some longer stems on my Whitlocks and the flight was certainly more level. Back to my shorter ones now and had a great practice; 45% on doubles and hit double top in all 5 legs of 501 including a 108 checkout for an 18 dart leg!

@PatrickSomazzi-420 2 месяца назад

This stuff is amazing for a beginner like me, much appreciated Matthew.

@TravelwithJodie1890 2 года назад

Great video here. Always handy to see and know about equipment 😊👌

@stevenmcdowall1489 2 года назад

Well described - great educational video!

@dartsbehindtheoche180 2 года назад

Great video Matt , really enjoyed that one :) Keep them coming !

@Edgartvdarts 2 года назад

Points next week 😁

@scottyc6341 2 года назад

Another fantastic insight to dart equipment! Something totally different that hasn't been done. Lovin' it, Keep up the good work 👍🎯

@Edgartvdarts 2 года назад

Cheers scotty there’s defo more to come

@scottyc6341 2 года назад

@@Edgartvdarts Did you find that the speed of the dart changes where the dart lands in the board? For example do faster travelling darts end up higher in the board? Cheers

@skeller61 Год назад

Great video, thanks!

@SaiyanBanana 2 года назад

Great Video....Very Informative....Cheers....

@jakedoh8294 2 года назад

Love these types of videos keep it up!

@Edgartvdarts 2 года назад

plenty more to come Jake :)

@STEVIEDVD 2 месяца назад

Nice video, earned a follower 👍🏻

@stephenburdess2914 2 года назад

Best explanation videos I've seen so far. My darts seem to be low and to the right . Driving me crazy.

@stephenburdess2914 2 года назад

I've got some shots "stems" in the mail lol.

@Manuel-gq7qh 2 года назад

Nice Video!

@berthurst9796 2 года назад

Edgar thank you for answering some questions that have been rattling around in my head. I don’t think I have been playing long enough to have a consistent throw to arrive at concrete findings. I find that my darts go into the board pretty flat. Is it more desirable to have the dart stand up more. I guess what I want to know if it allows more room when hitting triples and doubles ? You have a new subscriber looking for dart knowledge. I am sure it will improve my game. I know that now I need a set of Matthew Edgar darts to go along with my Robin of Loxley darts.

@austyvanaustymantv7893 2 года назад

Happy early birthday Matt 👍

@cohowtekk 2 года назад

Brilliant content this

@sarahwelty9223 Год назад

Good video. I have just changed from medium stems to shorter ones and I'm hitting more trebles.

@danielross5292 Год назад

Thanks that was interesting I really like to see a lot more please!😉☮️

@horstseehofer7130 Год назад

Great Videos thx

@martynwilliams7329 2 года назад

Great information that. 👍

@MPHampel86 2 года назад

I didn’t hear a thing you said all video, I was too distracted by the most amazing dart shirt in the PDC in the background.

@chrishallwood7458 2 года назад

Good vid Matt, keep these coming… I’m using extra shorts at the minute🤣

@tomgengar Год назад

I'm using inbetween stem , on my recent darts Showtime Fuzion 21 g with standard flights my darts land pretty flat into the board . As protection against Robin Hoods i recommended titanium rings . Wasnt switched stems a long time .

@weimarutube 2 года назад

Great video. Question, what is the best angle in how these darts sit on the board? Seems like the flat entry on the heavier dart is best.

@oldgold5848 2 года назад

Great stuff Matt. Is there a dart set up that minimises lateral error In a chap player like myself....obviously most is down to practice! I play the Loxley Nasirs which I like the gripping of. Currently short stems with standard flights , darts stick up slightly in the board.....

@TikTalk 2 года назад

I've recently changed my stems to short (from Intermediate) and my darts fly faster and more stable. I definitely recommend shorter stems especially with longer barrels (like Winmau Simon Whitlock).

@iordacheadrian487 Год назад

other people say the opposite , longer much more stable and Simon doesn't use small shafts

@moulletsmayhem2334 2 года назад

I prefer the short stems, great video

@willbolton5460 2 года назад

Hi Matthew, after your testing on stems did you notice if you scored any better with the medium stems?

@holzwurtz6488 2 года назад

Hi Matt, same barrel different weight (20-22-24g) would be interesting

@pirukiddingme1908 2 года назад

All I know is the longer the stem, the more likely I am to end up with a flight in my eye

@rodgerroadkill339 6 месяцев назад

Haha

@richardmeaghan4387 4 месяца назад

I have Asp Gen 1 bombs, they do not like long points and short stems and at first i couldn't throw them. I changed to small points and long stems and voila that seems to balance the bomb drop and they now sit nicely upright in the board.

@mariesuffolk3625 2 года назад

Matthew do a video on the death of Kyle Anderson. Also I thought of 2 video series. 1. You could do a rundown of each player in the top 32 or something (e.g. their throw, their stance) and then suggest how they could improve. 2. When the premier league comes around, you could do premier league predictions each week and invite a guest in every week or something. Love your video ideas. Good luck in the future bud 😀

@mustang6820 2 года назад

The Edgar, I've got a question for you maybe you can answer, I always struggle between a 40 and a 60 avg. Some days I'm releasing the darts perfect (dart flies straight) so I'm getting my consistent 60s / 85s / 100s and other days my dart wobbles left and right and I just can seem to buy a 20 (all 1s and 5s). Any ideas on how to correct that?

@barthagenaar4925 10 месяцев назад

I use short shafts but lately my darts keep falling out off the bord( new bord) can it be possible that when i use medium shafts that will be less ?

@will-bp9gz 2 года назад

Hi Edgar what percentage of tungsten do the pros use for their darts? Is there much difference between say 85% and 95% tungsten darts?

@philharden9162 2 года назад

I’ve recently changed from vapor flights on a medium and the speed they got to the board was insane. Had no stability value in them at all mind. With regard to speed to the board, why does it matter? Surely accuracy and consistent flight is the only thing that matters? I now use tweenie and standard which is obviously going to be slower than my old set up, but I can’t get my head round why so much effort to check the speed.

@squaredtony Год назад

Interesting. How about testing the micro shafts? 13mm

@timosaareste8655 2 года назад

Another great video Matt! So is it personal preference or is there a benefit to using either size stem?

@Edgartvdarts 2 года назад

All depends on what you want yes im just providing the difference and how to get what you want frorm equipment

@philipcasey767 2 года назад

Would love a video like this on points… use harrows standard points normally but changed to longer points and the darts are flowing the same…

@Edgartvdarts 2 года назад

Yeah will be doing lots more equipment videos

@TheElephant789 2 года назад

The more surface you have where the air travels along, the more resistance you have to overcome. It's just the same with larger flights (No2) vs. small or kite flights. If I calculated correctly, the 14mm difference in stem length add roughly 248 sq mm of surface where the air has to travel along.

@789563able 2 года назад

No you didn’t

@vilimiryordanov8502 2 года назад

Well said - the more surface area, the more drag. My calculation lead to the same number ;) But unfortunately with darts there are so many variables that most of the time these numbers mean little to nothing ....

@bjdelaney3131 2 года назад

I hold my darts almost touching the tip right at the front of the barrel and i find the opposite the mediums kick up and enter at an angle and the shorts just straighten as they are about to go in.

@Hellapenowow 2 месяца назад

both medium and intermediates land the same way for me, after trial and error with my 25g Harrows noble i was using medium stems, but i was having too many darts hitting 5s and 1s so I got some 26g versions, with the 26g versions i fould the intermediates worked better with that particular set, while the mediums worked best with the 25 ( i did multiple dart 99s and around the clock doubles to test which was best :D)

@alantobin4014 2 года назад

Hay I hav a question.hav u ever struggled to find a dart to sute u..I use to trow bomb style darts and thy were perfect for me,, stoped playing for a year r 2 . and now i can't get my throw back ,I was 1s a very good player and now it's lik starting all over again., I'm trying other darts but just can't seem to get my throw back..any tips..

@jon_because 2 года назад

I've always thought longer stems stood up further but that shows me that it's always been the front load weight of the dart itself not the length of stem

@tomasmorrissey7324 2 года назад

Interesting I use short stems and my dart kicks t d right and I get a lot of treble 5s a bit I wonder would longer stems keep Dem straighter

@michaelbrown488 2 года назад

How do you know where on the barrel to grip the dart?

@TheWebjunky007 9 месяцев назад

So , short stems + slim flights = fastest ? Would this compensate if you bought your darts a gram (or 2) to heavy ?

@thethreadheadisdead2 2 года назад

Interesting

@barty2381 2 года назад

My game improved when I went for really short stems, don't know why.

@IamTerryJ 2 года назад

I’ve recently dropped weight from 26g to 24g, and found changing from short stems to medium has helped

@jimbrowsing5690 4 месяца назад

You would need a parachute on the back to slow the dart that much. What is interesting is that you slowed your throw down so much without realising it. Presumably you subconsciously adjusted to get a nice flight path/board entry. It would be interesting to see video analysis of the very first throw with the long stem which I'd guess was just as fast as the short stem but looked horrible.

@AGClassicCarTuning 2 года назад

I can't help but think that there is an acceleration due to gravity at the end of the darts flight to the board. Upward thrust fizzles out and gravity takes over. It would account for the steeper angle of entry and the slightly faster speed. The longer dart maybe generates enough turbulence to support the dart in flight much longer before gravity takes over. I wonder what would happen using the same model of dart only 4g lighter or heavier?

@darklefthand Год назад

Curious if you have ever looked at the various stem lengths, as they relate to how the dart barrel itself is balanced? From the looks of it, your 'match darts' are relatively uniform in shape over the length, and likely center balanced. My question being, have you ever experimented with rear weighted or front weighted darts, and how stem length affects flight and angle of entry? I've read somewhere that the common thought on resolving stem length is that for shorter barrels, use longer shafts.. and for longer barrels use shorter stems. I suspect that there is a point of maximum effectiveness, whereby the relative distance from the balance point of the barrel and location of the flight works 'best'. Any thoughts on that? Asking specifically between I am a rear gripper, and I prefer to have a dart barrel with a 'wall' to get behind with finger placement. So this has led me to start experimenting with different shaft lengths and types of flights.

@VforVolusia 2 года назад

I appreciate the analysis but what is your conclusion? What is the preferred outcome? Flatter trajectory?

@Edgartvdarts 2 года назад

That is subjective. The video is to show purely what can be archived and how you too can change things to get a desired results

@michaelmunoz1007 2 года назад

The comment @ 6:25, "Flatter, flatter, flatter, flatter", brought to you courtesy of the Rolling Stones' "Shattered", circa 1978

@tonylucci2133 2 года назад

Great video. I went from long/medium to short and love it. The difference for me is drastic. Love your vids.

@Edgartvdarts 2 года назад

Thanks Toni will be more like this coming soon points next week

@jefflacerte3971 2 года назад

Any advice on grip? I’ve been taking darts seriously for a month or so now, playing an hour or two every day. More I play the more confidence I lose in it. Feels like I release differently every other throw

@liberateurmind9998 2 года назад

I started playing serious about 3 montags ago. Dont worry i fehlt the same way You wonteven notice the day when it changes , justlike i forgit how i had this feelings months ago until readingyour comment. Also to Vagina bit confidence just go for easy goals like hitting a few Singles or playingareound the click on doubles. Give yourself 3 darts for each double starting at 1 sometimes i hit two or three. This way i read saw the effect of my mind being locker in on a Target and gain cofindence in my throw , because no Matter on which double i have to check out in a match, i got plenty good memories of hitting that exactly double. Also i hit the double 3 so ofteneven though i always thought i was bad at it

@georgigobg Год назад

You should make a collaboration with Peter Wright and discuss your knowledge with his. It'd be interesting to see how much your knowledge/opinions differs from one another. I'm very curious to know how Wright thinks that a particular change would affect a particular behavior in the darts or grip, or whatever is influencing his decisions.

@richardlawton1023 Год назад

Interesting to see thin carbon stems verses much thicker / heavier stems.

@juans3728 2 года назад

I can't agree or disagree with you but to me i thought it depended how a player throws his arrows for speed and where you place your fingers whether at the front, center or rear would determine the flight. No I am not competitive player but i do have my own equipment at home to spend several hours adjusting aim and accuracy, am I right or wrong by stating when using different length stem you would have to find your comfort position of your fingers on the barrel?

@Edgartvdarts 2 года назад

It will change the centre of mass very slightly due to length and weight distribution

@arthurbaretta2755 Год назад

👍

@EphraimWeru 7 месяцев назад

Am in kenya , how can i get long stem .

@TheElephant789 2 года назад

Could you do the same test for travel time with large vs. small flights?

@Edgartvdarts 2 года назад

That was done last week

@TheElephant789 2 года назад

@@Edgartvdarts Sorry 🙈😂

@buster8015 2 года назад

Loved this video, especially the angle of entry😂😂 Seriously I'm a long stem flat lie myself

@kieranjones433 2 года назад

Are you using Peter weight championship darts

@Edgartvdarts 2 года назад

No Edgar tv 21g darts

@dizzyolgspinner7964 2 года назад

Can you do one with different lengths of points?

@Edgartvdarts 2 года назад

This is next weeks episode

@ianalexander4738 2 года назад

Matthew, while watching the draw for the Scandinanian Darts, i realised why James Wade feels like he gets ignored by the PDC, WORLD NUMBER 4, doesnt get an automatic place, 1,2,3 and 5 did so? Also why Fallon Sherrock as well, shouldn't it have been Lisa Ashton as she is at least a PDC tour card holder, this seems like a kick in the teeth to James, Lisa and every other PDC tour card holder who are obviously not as important as a non card holder. Your comments on this would be great especially if there is a reason for people not being invited? Thanks.

@SuperFen123 2 года назад

Always used long stems. Tried shorter but found they make my darts fly very unsteady in the air.

@Edgartvdarts 2 года назад

Front dictated ?

@SuperFen123 2 года назад

@@Edgartvdarts I use target Carrera C4 straight barrel 22g so even weighted but find the long stems fly much better

@808MonstaMike808 2 года назад

He mentioned the dart Speed to the board short being .33 and medium being .43, but why is this important to know? I'm still learning please be we easy on me. Is a slow dart bad?

@Edgartvdarts 2 года назад

It can be a good thing or a bad thing. The purpose of these videos is to give you an idea of what these changes can do. It’s from here to work out what best suits your throw. If you are getting high darts or darts landing at a side angle it could be equipment or stance. Use these videos as a guide and try to self work out if not I do also offer private sessions 👍

@jed_91 2 года назад

Blue dimplex short stem are relayable

@jimtheyid 2 года назад

Tbh,I've just changed mine to tweenie and found I seem to score better. I am absolutely shite though tbh

@Simonbolwell-fd6oe 7 месяцев назад

My 22g have short stem and go in straight with medium they move in air too much short are more accurate for me just switched to l style set up too my darts are now going best they ever have

@edwardowen4488 Год назад

What shape flights were you using in this video matt? I use a medium length stem with a standard shape flights

@paullennon8586 Год назад

Why have rear weighted darts mathew

@rhyzap 4 месяца назад

ive always preferred small stems

@ragnarl9130 3 месяца назад

Having watched these videos, my conclusion is, it's ur throw,, no matter wat ur doin with watever flights stems or weight of dart, you ALWAYS throw 2 that stand up more and one that's flatter, the flatter dart is down to it usually being ur last dart,, so u get lazy on the last dart,, most players do this,, or release and start to walk to the board as they release

@ryklatortuga4146 2 года назад

Needed a bit of Isaac Hayes music.

@geraldhills41 2 года назад

The way the dart enters the board is how hard the dart is thrown !

@alexbennett5724 2 года назад

Why do u have a board 1ft off the ground?

@Edgartvdarts 2 года назад

Childrens board that one

@Msantor1605 2 года назад

For friends without legs, obviously...

@scotgerten1398 Год назад

Am I to assume that faster is “better “?

@Edgartvdarts Год назад

Faster is easier to direct but not always ‘better’ depending on your throw. The faster the dart goes the less you have to push

@scotgerten1398 Год назад

@@Edgartvdarts Thank you sir. I’m trying to learn more and your videos are very helpful. Keep up the great work.

@Makemineawhiskey 2 месяца назад

What difference does speed make? If I could throw a dart and it hit the target every time I wouldn't care if it took 30 seconds!

@darrenwarby32 8 месяцев назад

Maybe this shows why Luke Humphries darts go in really flat .

@tonygregory4392 2 года назад

My partner who is a class player herself could be even better if she didn’t throw with loose wobbly stems,Can you make a video showing how they travel through the air when not tightened plz.Ileep telling her but she won’t have it that it makes a big difference,🙄🙄