@Dragon On Coke I think it's the best film or movie that came from Disney so far. I'm an OG so I've been watching since the originals. I've seen all the movies in the original order that they came out.
I will say the Force Awakens actually does this right. The movie opens with the stormtropper murdering an entire town. And later in the film one of the main characters is almost killed by a stormtrooper in a swordfight. And the characters actually had to SNEAK around Starkiller Base and didn't just murder 40 troops at a time. The new trilogy did alot wrong but I think episode 7 did that right.
Fun Fact: Jango Fett has more screentime than Capitain Phasma. He only appeared in one movie. And no, I'm not counting his clones or Boba Fett. I'm only counting Jango.
@@ZuwyFPS I think that is incorrect though. And doing the math, my number is incorrect, too. There are typically 23 minutes per episode, and 133 episodes total. That totals to around 51 hours.
I understood your point about Gina's tweet, however I'd like to remind you that family friendly Disney filmed Mulan near Chinese concentration camps and thanked the CCP for the privilege. They clearly don't care all that much for their image.
It's honestly pretty grim how Finn shows us that stormtroopers are humans too and how he mourned his fallen comrade in the opening sequence of Force Awakens... only for him to gun down dozens of them and then go WOO YEAH LET'S GOOOOOO basically
“The war? I cannot find it to be so bad! The death of one man: this is a catastrophe. Hundreds of thousands of deaths: that is a statistic!” -French Joke I.
Clone Wars had a good balance of comic relief and danger when it came to the droids, we understood that while they are dumb individually they were extremely effective in large battles. This allowed them to have huge battles that the Republic barely wins or horrifically loses, while having small droid patrols for comic relief at times.
yeah, in one episode you have "that was a horrible shot!" "it's my programming" and in another you have dozens of clones and jedi being slaughtered by the hordes of droids that was a good balance, specially since it wasn't a 50/50 thing, it was a 80/20 (derp moments being a minority)
This is why I liked Rogue One. By adding lots of heroes, and killing them off as they went for their objective, it made the stormtroopers more formidable. A concept used in 7 Samurai, dirty dozen
What bothers me most with Mandalorian, the Stormtroopers act and fight like a bunch of untrained recruits. They can't hit anything with their blasters. Tactical competence is zero, no fire and manoeuvre. No fire teams, no adequate leaders. Only leadership the NCOs or Officers provide during the battle, are the hand signs to go forward. It seems the Stormtrooper's helmets are lacking communication, sensors and everything.
Still though the Stormtroopers in Rogue One are nerfed a bit compared to the lore standards. Even the Death Troopers get taken out by one guy with a giant gun :/, should be the other way around
@@travispotthoff6131 None of the clones we safe in TCW except Cody and you could assume they weren't going to kill Rex. That was the best part about them. You loved and cared for them and you truly didn't know when you would lose another one. I think more named clones died than survived when you really think about it. Boil, Kix, Fox, Wolffe, and Doom all survived. Echo survived, but he was presumed dead for 3 seasons. Aside from that only a few single episode clones survived like Gregor and Monk.
Adding onto this, we never even saw stormtroopers until "The Eye," and even then, they were in the background of a wide shot that focused on the TIE Fighters; we didn't see them up close until "Announcement," and the first time they get killed is in "Daughter of Ferrix," the first season's penultimate episode.
Did you know, that there was a scene when Fin actually talked to the stormtroopers, and actually convinced them to turn on Phasma before she gunned them all down, instead that scene was replaced with BB8 hijacking an AT-ST and murdering scores of stormtroopers while Fin fought Phasma.
Murder? Lmao I think you might have went a little overboard there. Its war. It's not murder if someone also has the intention to kill you as well. But yes, you are absolutely right on everything else my guy
@@basic_avarage_person murder is killing someone who doesn't A. Have a weapon. B. Someone who doesn't have the intent to kill. Yes. War is gruesome and very bloody. Death happens but it isn't murder if both sides are trying to kill each other. Understand this please
Or, just throwing it out there. Disney hardly ruined anything. Star Wars isn't that different than when Lucas called the shots. Some Star wars fans just want something to complain about. Even if the problems they are complaining about are hardly problems at all. Again food for thought.🤷
The problem with stormtroopers now is basically the same as with droids in the 2008 animated series. Disney is just too scared of ruining their family image to put protagonists in any real danger.
Not really they killed a lot of clones and droids some unnamed Jedi and the living embodiment of the word bastard (pong krell) Fives might be the more recurring character to have been killed off but even then he was definitely a supporting character unlike Rex or ahsoka who lived past rebels
They prevented the main characters from dying since they were going to be in Revenge of the Sith, but Clone Wars has never held back on violent and gruesome themes. For fucks sake, someone is tortured to death in the first episode of season 2.
@@bruh-xb2uy No. They were even afraid to let Grievous kill Eeth Koth even though he doesn’t appear in EPIII, and nobody fell to swarms of droids like the actual war except one random Jedi character who was literally created to die (Ima-Gun-Di).
19:50 the part that really kills me is that they did Troopers killing people right not that long ago. Rogue One's entire battle on Scarif is hinged on the troopers being pretty effective overall
I honestly think that Rogue One is the worst example of how to write bad guys. The worst moment being when Jyn grabs a storm trooper's gun and he just falls off a platform to his death. Just because she grabbed his gun too hard.
@@FriendlyCroock not really, its not AS bad as the mandalorian or the book of baba fett. The entire main cast dies because of regular stormtroopers or death troopers. They are competent, can actually aim, and on Jedha were actually scary I don't know what to say about that fall though
@@simpleviewer1334 Scary? Well that's interesting cause they didn't scare me once. In fact I laughed at them a few times. Like when they surrounded that blind guy with guns. Even a little kid would know that if u do that you'll shoot ur own men. Are u telling me they don't have basic military training.
@@simpleviewer1334 Secondly the only evil that the empire does in Rogue One is in the shape of retaliation. The rebels literally do more eviI than the empire does.
@@simpleviewer1334 Another problem is that the rebels in Rogue One have the big empire strikes back and rotj fleet. The rebellion in "a new hope" was supposed to be very small and insignificant. They attacked the death star with x wings hence why Tarkin didn't take them seriously. It's after the empire destroyed Alderaan that more planets joined the rebellion which makes sense.
The Clone Wars humanizing the troopers is WHY THE SERIES WORKS SO WELL. It's great. People have favorite clones. Why? Because despite the fact that they look and sound the same, they are written to be different people.
Well they don’t really sound the same There is a fair bit of variation in their inflections, tones and volume that makes them rather recognisable and shows sone personality
Using the clones against storm troopers is a bad comparison. The idea was even though the clones had something that set each other apart, they were the same. Storm troopers are a regular army of many different individuals. Now if they did wanna do the Storm Troopers justice, make a show or movie purely focused on them which I honestly think would be a great idea.
@@Flan17 Then explain the reactions to them fucking up Finn and Rose, or the blank slate that is Rey, or them telling George Lucas to fuck off and then destroying the story he worked so hard to develop. I respect your opinion I just want to know your thoughts on this
@@meep9231 I understand your anger and I despise the sequels but a lot of the hate is miss placed. They've made mistakes yes but I believe the worst is behind us. Let's take the sequels out of the picture and see what we got. Rogue one, solo, rebels, clone wars s7, two triple A battlefronts, squadrons, Mandalorian, all of the new shows and movies announced, countless comics and books and all of it canonically connected to one universe. To say they ruined star wars is over exaggerating ten fold, they revived star wars from the dead and without Disney there would of been no new star wars because George had no intention of continuing the franchise. Legends was never canon under George and it was a big mess of events. They did fuck him over in the early days but he sold Lucasfilm meaning he had no control anymore so you can't complain he lost power especially after the reason he sold was the hate for prequels (which I love). Not only that but he was on set for a lot of the Mandalorian so Disney saw their mistake and asked for his input again. This fanbase is the most toxic one I think I've ever came across and that truly breaks my heart because I love star wars. We need to stop blindly hating on Disney and start critizing them because they don't respond to hate too well.
@@Flan17 legends was canon, theres loads of references to legends in the films. coruscant is so called cos it was in the thrawn trilogy, aayla secura was a character in atoc cos george liked her look from the dark horse comics. The sith being extinct for a thousand years comes from dark forces two. The idea that legends was inconistent is a complete lie. THe original clone wars timeline was the most consistent thing in legends before 2008 clone wars messed it up. When there was inconsistinses in the old canon they strove to make them fit, such as the clone wars being ten years before it wa suppsoed to be, which was cleared up by saying the noghris calender was different to the standard galatic calender. Star was was not dead before disney. it was doing perfectly fine, by 2018 people were sick of star wars because of how bad disney had treated the franchise.
But now Andor is here to save the day. The stormtroopers of Andor are an efficient and terrifying fighting force, worthy to be called the Fist of the Empire. This is how I want to see them portrayed going forward.
Andor is far, far, far too little, far too late. TIEs are still worthless despite characters telling us they're deadly, the infamous "just one TIE flying over ordinary people" scene is followed by TIEs missing every volley and crashing into each other, and stormtroopers shoot basic rioters. Yeah, it's over. They will never be as cool to me as they used to be, again.
The Clone Wars (2D series) taught me to respect the Hell out of clone troopers. Apparently they become Extremely competent when fighting for the heroes
Nah they just got better training they were trained from birth and a lot of the first batch was even trained by mandalorians some mandalorians even snuck clones out and made them full mandos
Yeah it is the only thing i cared about starwars. It is so weird. One child show is pretty serious. And dozens of movies is pretty childishly disneymade.
Also fun reminder, remember the Prequel Trilogy, the one everyone loves to say sucks. Well they made the Clones, the precursors to the Stormtroopers, a highly competent fighting force who were directly responsible for wiping the Jedi out. Talk about a downgrade.
Yeah, that’s true. Also, remember the Clone Wars episode with the Nikto Jedi. He died to a large squad of Battle Droids. Not to mention all the Jedi that died in the Battle of Geonosis. In short, even Battle Droids are more competent than Stormtroopers in the Disney movies, aside from Rogue One.
@@kbgman01 The battledroids got made fun of relentlessly, but it felt less mean spirited since they weren't people. Still, the battledroids killed almost every character you don't see in Revenge of the Sith, so even they raised the tension and posed a threat.
Mistah Fox battle droids were made in a joke. They ruined separatist as an faction by making them generic ‘bad guys’ and absolutely ruined the beginning text for revenge of the sith. ‘There are heroes on both sides’
@@lamardavisakald4438 The Separatists aren't just Droid Armies. They are a Confederation of systems, and many of the worlds in it have their own sentient armies, that are living creatures. Only the Trade Federation has a droid army
Wouldn't it make more sense have the Imoerial Remnants have EXTREMELY proficient & lethal troopers? Think about it, the Empire's finest troopers have survived the horrors of war after the collapse of the Galactic Empire. Most of the lesser skilled stormtroopers either died or deserted long ago. This leads them to become increasingly desperate and cornered, as resources are thinning out. Because of this, new recruits aren't taken in on a whim, but are subjected to intense basic training using old school methods. Led by veteran stormtroopers & commandos, these trainees are given the opportunity to serve their respective warlords faithfully ( and much more competently). Stormtroopers are even leased out as mercenaries & bounty hunters to raise funds for equipment maintenance & training, while also gaining vital skills.
In my head cannon Gideon and his remnant are the lower quality troops relegated to surviving in dustbin world's on the outer rim patrolled by literally 2 X wings. The real cream of the empires crop are able to maintain a threat level closer to the core world's, thus having more resources and a better chance of actually taking down the new republic.
An easy way to solve the invincibility of Beskar armour, would be to have it heat up slightly with each hit. One or two shots isn't going to matter, but 20-30 with no time to cool down in between each one would cook him like a lobster.
I think the dark saber heated the beskar spear in moff gideons and mandos battle and strong snipers do send Mando flying I also much prefer fallen orders stormtroopers because they genuinely have conversations when they haven’t detected you yet like getting frustrated scared confident and when they see they’re troops die they get scared or self confident
Yeah! I've heard a suggestion somewhere of the shots still leaving kinetic impact. Even if the blaster bolt is destroyed upon impact, that kinetic energy has to go somewhere, right?
My biggest problem with "The Mandalorian" was the lack of a sense of danger. Mando is basically invincible, with His Beskar Armor and Spear which can even go toe to toe with a lightsaber
With a lot of the lore for Mandalore (which some is canon still), Mandalorians fought against the Jedi on several occasions. Of course they would try to develop armor that could resist lightsabers.
Ikr, the Jedi kill humans to beat the big bad and when they reach the bad guy they be like “don’t kill him, it’s not the Jedi way”. Wtf? They killed 1000 humans to get a guy and then say that?
I think stormtroopers are pretty cool. I can’t see them as “special” people when I have no emotional attachment to them like my bois, the Clones. I would still prefer to play as Stormtroopers over playing as Rebels or Resistance soldiers in Battlefront.
Storm Troopers weren't just simple foot soldiers! They were an elite force with some really nice gadgets in their helmets that acutally improve their targeting. The imperial army were simple foot soldiers, though, but they are barely shown in the original movies. I think that the only times where you see them is as the drivers of the AT-ST walkers. While they have always been there in the Star Wars roleplaying game starting back in the lake 80s, they have their first real appearance on screen in the Han Solo movie.
Yeah, I guess you could say their the "shock troopers" of the imperial military, but I'd imagine they'd be very good shots, you'd THINK so seeing them for the time. I know I did.
I felt some empathy towards storm troopers in Jedi: Fallen order, especially when they start motivating themselves that they can go up against a jedi. It's funny, but also kind of humanizing. The empire'll just kill ya if you ran away, and you can either run away, or fight an ginger teenager with telekinesis and a glowstick. What else can you do except try to convince yourself, that if you keep shooting, you might just be able to kill the space wizard with a photon sword
Yea some were cocky some were scared they showed reactions to fellow troopers dying it made me feel bad for killing the ones that were afraid one of the best games I’ve ever played
It occurs to me that rather than using blasters against the mandolorians, paint ball guns would have been more effective as it would have made it difficult for them to see through their visors. In fact, using paintballs against stormtroopers could be an effective moral high ground... they can't see you now because they're covered in paint but at least they're not mercilessly killed!
To be fair, the two scout troopers did manage to kill Kuill and kidnap Grogu, but while that seems like it should show the threat the stormtroopers pose, they make the EXACT SAME stormtroopers not able to shoot a can from 5 feet away. It’s inconsistent.
I think they killed Kuill with a rifles but I don't think they had one but I could think they shot the blasters at gunpoint and the more further the target the more shit the blaster accuracy drops since blasters are shit weapons in general or were poorly manufactured
Wow. They ran down an old man and kidnapped a defenseless child. What an impressive feat from the most elite fighting force in the galaxy since the clones were decomissioned.
Blasters in canon become less accurate the more distance the target is from the plasma projectile, so with those blaster pistols that have super short barrels and are also probably not being maintained properly since the remnant doesn't have as much resources as it needs to keep in top shape, makes the blasters very inaccurate unless you practice a lot with it.
@@TheManBehindTheSlaughter6669 if a GUN can’t land a shot from 5 feet away, then palpatine needs to be removed from office with his terrible choices in who can engineer blasters
@@ic0nic707 you see blasters are different from guns in that they fire high velocity plasma bolts that with more distance become very innacurate, the longer a barrel on a blaster the more stable the bolts path and also high amounts of training with your balster can improve your accuracy a lot. We see that stormtroopers are more accurate than rebels in a lot of star wars media because they are put through a lot of training to better wield blaster weapons.
Yeah, this bothered me so much while binge watching The Mandolorian recently. Disney want us to see these guys as a huge threat, but they're constantly portrayed as helpless moving targets for the main characters to kill as cruelly as possible. It got to the point where I actually felt bad for them, because they have no chance of harming anyone but they're massacred just for showing up. I should be cheering when they're taken down, not sympathising with them.
Stormtroopers when facing any other person: “I could do this all day” Stormtroopers when facing a main/named character: “Please... have mercy, I beg of you!”
I've never understood why in all of starwars, apart from (ironically) the clone wars animated series, there is never an attempt to portray actual battle tactics. nobody takes cover, no one is covering the six, no one tries to be tactical. they just walk in gung ho in full view and the "good guys" win. so annoying.
This is how it seems to be in most star wars after Disney took over (BUT it's quite common in pre-Disney content as well). It wouldn't hurt the writers and directors to do some basic research on how armies fight.
@@staringgasmask The trade federation attack on the gungans was actually very well done. 1. Tested enemy forces with artillery fire, when it didnt work they sent in a large number of infantry to overwhelm the gungans. 2. When they breach the shield, they send elite forces like droidekas to destroy the generators, causing panic in the gungan ranks. 3. Chase the enemy with armor as they route from the field.
@@FieldMarshalYT I am fully aware of that, it's just that TPM is regarded as the weakest of the 6 non-disney movies, but also happens to have the best display of tactics in the entire saga
Rogue one is the last time they were somewhat competent, they acctually manage to kill rebels, and that one moment where that random death trooper decides to get close and personal to fight mando unarmed. Outside of that they just suck :/ (i don’t count the dark troopers because they are droids)
@@buckeyeguy458 They were pretty precise. It was mentioned later in the movie that Vader had a homing planted on the Falcon so he could track the ship to the Rebel base. This would require at least three people to not get killed by the Stormtroopers during the escape. Leia had to live because she was only the person who knew where the base was and they needed two more people to escape to fly the ship. They were firing as close to them as they could to make it seem they were trying to shoot them without actually hitting them.
15:49 that's soft body armor. It's supposed to deform and while doing so spread the kenetic energy of the bullet over a larger area and thus preventing penetration. You can add additional plates, those would greatly increase the protection the armor offers but it's expensive, heavy and it does only cover a small area of the body. Beskar armor seems to not deform at all therefore internal damage as a result of kentetic energy would be minimal, depending on the amount of kenetic energy a blaster bolt carries it might knock him over though. The most stupid part about the mandalorian is that the mandalorian gets hit numerous times throughout the series and every single shot happens to hit him exactly at one of the beskar plates even though a large part of his body is not covered with those plates.
Why do people keep using "parents" when talking about Luke. Like why? Its not like they tried to refer to them as parents. He actively called them Aunt and Uncle...
@@sheevpalpatine6139It's perfectly acceptable to refer to them as "parents", the quotations are an acknowledgement that the word isn't meant in a literal sense, but in the sense that Luke was parented by his Uncle and Aunt. The dictionary defines "parenting" as: to be or act as a parent (to a child). Owen and Beru acted as parents so the word is usable.
@@LordVader1094 Yeah, but it's pretty safe to jump from that first assumption to the next. They let us escape, why? There's only one good reason - the Empire wants to end the Rebel Alliance, they don't care about four rebels that much. Honestly I don't think I can find any other reason there that would make that much sense or even close to it. They would've cared if they knew Luke would end up being such a threat, but they couldn't have known. Even in Empire Strikes Back they didn't care that much about Han, Leia and Chewbacca - they took them as prisoners instead of executing them to bait Luke (who still wasn't considered that much of a threat by Darth Vader or the Emperor, but they wanted him to further their goals of controlling the galaxy) and they felt pretty confident in their victory there. All I'm saying is they clearly made a mistake not just killing them outright, poor space nazis :(.
Only good stormtrooper moments were cyanide tooth and them cheering when they made it to the base did a good job humanising the troops only to kill them moments later
Even Disney forgets that. Pablo came up with some BS about the Stormtroopers don't have uniform training despite being special forces and the Stormtroopers stationed on the Death Star which would be second to Coruscant itself to the highest posting you could get were not as well trained as the 501st.
I remember back in the Eu when Stormtroopers were elite shock infantry who went through a grueling 6 month training program to become the best soldiers in the galaxy. They were the proud fist of the Empire, inferior only to the Clone Troopers whom they replaced (which, since clones were gentically modified super soldiers raised with mandalorian culture, being inferior is hardly an insult.) and now the stormtroopers are a laughing stock.
@@jackodonail1980 Commander Cody couldn’t stand human stormtroopers. He’d rather take one clone over an entire platoon of stormtroopers. He even lists a time a stormtrooper hit his head.
😅😅😅 they're eggs. If you eat fried chicken, you eat a mother bathed in the remains of her children. If you eat cheeseburger, you place bovine mothers milk product over the ground remains of another bovine. The quote you mention is pure virtue signaling
@@RM-cn8pw Ah yes, let's remember the times when in the first scene of the movie they boarded the Tantive IV, killed everyone in the hallway when they had cover, and had only 3 casualties. or when they kicked their asses on hoth. oh but nobody remembers that, let's make fun of them for getting beaten by teddy bears! Ewoks know the forest, they set up multiple traps, and basically did a Vietnam. people make fun of them for being small. let's look at an orangutan, "HA hA LOoK At thE SilLy MonkE!" that thing can and will fuck you up.
@@justanotherschmuck4149 Honestly, I always remembered the Ewoks as just triumphing over Stormtroopers with no effort, but re-watching RotJ last night made me realize that's not the case. Every stormtrooper they kill is killed by a surprise attack or a trap, with the Ewoks and Rebels outmaneuvering the Stormtroopers to win. Whenever the stormtroopers or ATSTs are facing the Ewoks, the Ewoks get toasted. Even Leia and R2-D2 get hit by Stormtroopers. The largest contingent are tricked out of the base and are forced to surrender by a pretty clever trick. In the Mandalorian they would have all just been shot by a side character with a pistol with no thought.
Ghidorah: “I destroy planets and threaten civilizations” Thanos: “I killed half of the universe’s population” Disney “I once refused to give a child a Spider-Man tombstone and didn’t pay a poor village.” Ghidorah: “Jesus Christ, dude Thanos: “WTF at least our motivations are just fiction.” Godzilla: King of the Monsters is like fine wine. The older the gets, the better it taste. The Disney trilogy on the other hand will age like Green milk.
I liked how in the old canon they were usually portrayed as elite and not even the main forces. Like how in 'wrong side of the war' after the battle on Jabiim Lt Sunber is thinking to himself about how none of his natural soldiers survived and all he has left are clone stormtroopers, who he finds cold and impossible to connect with. You see them just pushing through heavy fire despite the danger while imperial army soldiers are cowering in fear and dying anyway. I think it's technically still that way because Solo reestablished that stormtroopers are different from imperial army soldiers like Han. Although they're still called mudtroopers so it's confusing
All movie villains that are expendable need to have bad aim like for example in commando the enemies are very bad at aiming but it’s not like there going to kill the main characters just so it can feel “REALISTIC” so the jokes need to stop because obi wan clearly says imperial storm troopers are precise
I'm an imperial Stormtrooper fan, I've been one for every Halloween, Christmas, Thanksgiving, YOU NAME IT! And I'm sick and tired of them being killed off without a fair fight bro, LET THEM BE A REAL THREAT
For me, the big problem with the "silly stormtroopers" trope is that it makes the universe itself too unbelievable. If the stormtroopers are THIS incompetent, what were they doing in the army in the first place? Were they not trained? And more importantly, if the stormtroopers can't fight worth a damn, how does the Empire even hold itself together? And, by they way, why would anyone want to arm, supply, pay, and command a legion of stormtroopers, when hiring a single mercenary for the same job is infinitely more effective?
Blame Tarkin, and his stupid doctrine. Instead of making sure they had a well supplied ground force the Empire instead focused it's efforts on super weapons that could be used to project fear throughout the Galaxy. It does make a certain amount of sense. The Clone Wars showed the inefficiency of creating and maintaining a large well equipped ground force that could be used to subjugate individual worlds. Instead why not have a few super weapons to scare inhabitants into submission, (and if needed eradicate the planet as an example) have a few elite squads to do the actual work, and conscript a larger but less trained force to give the impression that the Empire's power was everywhere.
@@horrorfan117 I put it that the inefficiency of handling the large military forces during the clone wars was not unlike the American Civil War, where you had a small army that suddenly bloomed into hundreds of thousands of troops all over the nation. The logistics and command structure extant just couldn't keep up with that and had to play catch up the entire course of the war. As it relates to the Clone Wars, there apparently were plenty of clones early on, but too few actual experienced leaders. Even the Jedi generals were flying by the seat of their pants when it came to command and control of large units. Theoretically the Empire sought to learn from the Clone Wars and develop a sort of Leadership training Program as well as efforts to pragmatically implement processes that would allow for better flow of troops and material to combat zones and the like. When you consider the size of the Death Stars, they'd still have to deal with the massive logistical support system in order to feed and maintain the personnel on the Death Stars. So whether it was a large military force spread out about the galaxy or a fleet of superweapons, you need still have large numbers of personnel and equipment to operate and maintain. The problem was the super weapons were highly vulnerable and inadvertently served to bolster, rather than weaken, resistance to the Empire.
@@tr4480 ever thought this may be due a bottle neck in genetics. They mainly cloned jango fett. After so many clones, they may just start getting more problems.
what makes it even weirder is that they came from clone troopers. they were pretty good, i mean theyre genetically modified soldiers trained to kill. i know they arent like Space Marines, far from it, but you would think their succesors would be around the same level if not a bit better.
In the mandalorian, the empire has already collapsed. These aren’t "real" stormtroopers, they are random guys former imperial war lords trying to rebuild the empire have gotten to join their cause.
Stormtroopers are actually really accurate, only thing stopping them is plot armor. We see them miss everything because the only things they're shooting at are main characters not meant to die.
Yeah, i just dont understand, why there arent some scenes where there are some generic bandits or Rebel (even through thats the same) Troopers fighting. It would make a totally better view of stormtroopers!
Stormtroopers are actually extremely accurate compared to real soldiers. Here's a good video about it: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-P2TA9coGLzM.html.
and we are led to believe the ewoks are good when they literally butcher stormtroopers...and fucking eat them, sometimes alive as well. Much like how soldiers in real life, Soldiers do not portray the governments of their country, they are ordered and they do what they are told. Sometimes if you exclude the fact the empire is ran by a sith, the Empire could be considered good since they are creating peace in the galaxy.
Seeing stormtroopers getting killed by Ewoks becomes a lot more understandable when you remember that these are the same Ewoks that nearly cooked our heroes alive, and would have done so had Threepio not used his magic to convince the tribe otherwise. Not to mention that the Imperials managed to rally from the initial ambush and might have still won had one of their AT-STs not been hijacked by a certain Wookiee.
The lack of a sense of danger in the Mandalorian was bound to happen specifically because they chose for the story to follow a Mandalorian in pure beskar armour. Beskar is inherently invulnerable to blaster fire and is resistant to lightsabers. Its weakness essentially is that one wearing it often becomes overconfident and too dependent on the armour.
Yeah there should have been tradeoffs for wearing such a suit of armor. Like in the old lore with Boba's particular armor weighing twice as much as conventional armors. Also Beskar is much more rare than Cortosis or Phryck so why telegraph yourself wearing that much rare material.
@@barrybend7189 The exact formula for producing and smithing with this super metal is also a tightly controlled secret right? The more examples of it you make public, the more likely it is for the secret to get out.
@@SamnissArandeen plus even in the older lore Mandalorian Iron was common but not as overpowered in lightsaber and blaster defense abilities as in the new lore. It was just heavy and a better protection than durasteel or Quadanium alloy armor for organics. In fact wookies who joined the Mandalorians wore armor made from the trees of Kashyk as it was lighter and still strong.
@@barrybend7189 And could you get grievously injured by the impact of a shot on your armor even if it didn't penetrate? That's a limitation on real world body armor. On a related note. Why weren't exoskeletons and powered armor more common? The setting seems to have the technology to pull it off.
What I like about Jedi fallen order is that stormtroopers feel like real soilders who are just doing their job and feed their families. Their conversation lines sometimes make me feel bad for them.
Here's the thing: Stormtroopers might've been ineffectual in the original trilogy, *but the main characters didn't know that.* Whenever the boys in white showed up it was a sign that organic waste had collided with the air distribution system and that running away was in order. In Disney's Star Wars however, the characters are 100% aware of how safe they are and they will run full sprint towards heavy blaster fire without any attempt of even taking cover, knowing full well that they aren't even gonna take a scratch. If there's something the OT balanced perfectly was making the opposing force feel intimidating even when it was losing.
I take your meaning in regards to keeping the Empire intimidating even when losing, but Stormtroopers are factually NOT ineffectual in the original trilogy though. They killed the Rebels and captured Leia on the Tantive IV, they beat the Rebels (even if offscreen) on Hoth, and they even started to turn the tide after being surprised and attacked on all sides by Ewoks and elite rebel commandoes. It took a Wookie commandeering an AT-ST to finally make them lose. Point is, there's a reason the protags are always running away in the OT, except at Endor.
@@LordVader1094 When I said that stormtroopers were innefectual I meant when facing the main characters, of course. The fact that stormtroopers usually steamrolled every NPC opposition they came across is precisely one of the reasons the Empire managed to sustain its intimidation factor in the OT. It also helps that, while the MCs hold their own and win against them, their victory feels anything but effortless. They use guile and stealth go get around the Death Star, get hopelessly supressed in the detention center and have to escape into a trash compactor, gunning down the fighters that give pursuit is challenging, and lets not forget that of the dozen starfighters that attack the Death Star, only three make it back home. And that's only Ep.IV; In Ep.V things go even worse for the main cast! In short, since stormtroopers were shown to be a credible menace, a victory against them felt exhilarating; Under Disney they're such an embarrasing joke that a victory against them makes you feel nothing.
Even on Endor, the battle was quickly turned against them. The Ewoks had the upper hand at first because they ambushed the troopers from hidden positions, but once the Empire got their bearings it became a slaughterhouse. Only decisive action by Chewie and a few well-placed traps saved them from total defeat.
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Fun fact: the stormtrooper that hit his head was actually the "these arent the doids we're looking for" guy. He felt the effects long after obi wan used the mindtrick on him which lead to him being clumsy, and couldnt think straight.. henceforth letting R2 and C3PO leave AGAIN and then was sent back to basic training for failing his job twice
According to one interview, John Boyega said that his original interpretation and direction he was taking with Finn was more serious, like a child slave raised to kill you know? Disciplined, emotionally scarred, and distant. But he was instructed by Abrams to lighten it up and make it more comedic. One more failure to throw at that mans feet I suppose.
Agreed. It makes no fricking sense since Finn grew up with these fellow brainwashed troopers, and when he kills random people he hesitates, but when he kills his OWN troopers he starts laughing. Like if they wanted him as comedy do it the right way
Honestly I would have Finn as attempting to fit in, sort of like faking emotions to try and hide his scars, have moments where his sort of positive facade cracks.
One thing I wonder is that how can a whole planet of stormtroopers can even hit a girl who randomly found an elegant weapon with their stormtrooper friend, but they hit precise shots on a tin can man with anti-lightsaber armor. Did they literally just devolve.
well scrap my original comment since i did NOT quite understand your comment. YES they are successful in missing on the Death Star, while keeping the shots close enough that it's not a cake walk for the heroes. it is a lot harder to miss and make it look like you're shooting to kill than it is to just shoot to kill
@@boyvol6428 oh no its not you it is quite literally 2 minutes past midnight and my brain is beginning to shut down. Also despite english being my one and only language my spelling is quite horrible and sometimes autocorrect has no idea what I'm trying to say
REAL TALK: Rogue One is the only Disney property that had stakes and I felt something. The death troopers were no joke, they KILLED K2SO and other characters. Rouge One is still the best.
Death troopers were the biggest joke of rogue one when Baze Malbus shot all of them with his huge repeating blaster but one of them dropped a grenade that killed him. Stormtroopers killed better than death troopers in that film.
@@Grandof-the-PentastarAlignment Remember right when the Deathtroopers show up, they literally wiped out all of the remaining Rebel Forces in seconds and corner the few remaining characters, I do agree Baze being able to wipe them all out was pretty stupid but their entrance and wiping out the rebels was pretty badass.
@@taxult I mean, at that point it was pretty clear that the Force was playing silly buggers on those poor troopers something fierce. Random commando gets blown away for barely sticking his neck outta cover, and then Chirrut just goes for a walk across the field and everything misses him? Pretty obvious that the game was rigged there.
Remember when on the clone wars show, we were introduced to a squad of clones still in training, saw them bond together, go through the ranks, and then nearly all of them got picked off and killed, one by one, during the different seasons? That'd never happen under Disney.
@@marcaldovino264 “BuT tHaT’S aLl DaVe!!! (even though it’s a rigorous process in which Disney, Lucasfilms, Dave Filoni, and Kathleen Kennedy are all involved in).
@@TooCooFoYou The last season of Clone wars was already written and the animation was in its first stages when Disney took over and scrapped the project for years. They had nothing to do with the actual story. Bad batch remains to be seen.
@@seangallagher9435 But you can't tell me it's not a little degrading to make the black character a Sanitation Engineer. Hell, all he needed to say was, "When I was doing Latrine Queen duties, Sir." or something to that effect. And then in the second movie he's bumblefucking around....up until the moment he almost redeems himself then gets pranged by Rose (who despite being all "Ra ra Republic, my sister died for them" now suddenly doesn't care about the survivors and is willing to let them die when the door gets blown off its' hinges because she wants to lubricate Finn's E-Web?) I think this: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Bx5J0dW2rh4.html is a better way for a soldier (especially a child soldier no less) to grimly approach their task.. ..than this: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-k3C83hzkg7o.html I recommend you go watch "Soldier" (1998) some time.
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-WCJP0XSHwQA.html This is some red room shit and makes me feel really bad for this guy who didn’t know what he was getting himself into.
Hell or just make them actual fascists like they’re meant to be. You see a little of this with the shuttle hijack, you dont have to make them empathetic but you cant half ass it where they’re just guys and get massacred regularly.
@@cephery8482 True. Either make them elite fascists like the Waffen SS and stop treating them like buffoons, or show a more human side. I'd love to see both so we can see the full spectrum of the people who serve the Empire, but it can't keep going on where they're both faceless bad guys AND incompetent morons. At least the films had them elite badasses who didn't talk much and got the job done.
Actually on Endor the Stormtroopers put up one hell of a fight, against the odds I might add. Considering the Ewoks had both the advantage of an ambush, and the home field advantage
They've retroactively made endors defeat make sence and dark as hell, ewoks hunt the stormtroopers on mass and are PURE MUSCLE under that teddy bear exterior and all the trooper helmets are eaten troopers.
That point with them never making up their mind about Stormtroopers being tragic or as disposable as tissues is exactly what bothered me about their depiction. One scene shows Finn (and by extension every Stormtrooper) being humanized and in the next scene he laughs like a psychopath as he blows his ormer comrades to bits. Didn’t you just explain how all of you were forced into service? Why are you celebrating the murder of your fellow victims?
@@RM-cn8pw Finn being humanized already happens in his first scene when he is marked as important by having the blood of his comrade on his helmet. After that he takes off his helmet which humanized the faceless trooper even more. After that he helps Poo and talks to him. Or if you are talking about him blowing up his former comrades it literally happens while they are stealing the TIE fighter. Or do you think those "Whooo"'s of Finn are crying?
imagine if there was a scene where a bunch of storm troopers were talking trooper#1: oh hey rick how's you're daughter trooper#2: she's doing great, I actually just talked to her before we got deployed can't wait to see her again mando: *about that*
Honestly, Boba’s brilliant return rampage would’ve been so much cooler if the Stormtroopers were shown as effective, it’d really punctuate just how terrifying Boba Fett actually is, being a highly trained Bounty Hunter and all
2 months late mfw but I agree, if people were actually *shown* that Stormtroopers were effective soldiers, watching Boba Fett waste like two or three squads of them all actually cool and badass.
Except THESE troopers aren't effective. The empire is nothing like it was. Just a scrap of its former glory. Obvious they're hiring anyone who'll take the job. They cant kidnap people amd put this through brainwashing training anymore lmao.
If my memory serves me correctly I believe most of Boba's armor isnt even Beskar beyond the helmet and possibly the bracer, considering that the helmet explicitly was Jango's, but I think the rest of the armor was put together without Beskar. Boba was a beast because he was a Mandalorian of such renown without the most powerful tool Mandalorians had. But yes the stormtroopers should be shown much more effective.
BTW In the first ever movie, stormtroopers were told not to shoot the main characters because the empire needed them so they could track down the rebels and find their base
If anything, that makes their aim even more impressive, as they are accurate enough to make it look convincing in the moment without worrying about accidentally shooting our heroes.
Growing up I always thought Stormtroopers were cool, evil Spacecops. Didn't Disney ever see Troops? I mean they were always awesome to me. Disney just ruined them for no reason.
There is the scene in Episode IV when Obi-Wan and Luke discover the Java's Sandcrawler. When Luke thought Sandpeople hat ambushed the crawler Obi-Wan answered "only imperial storm troopers are so precise". Which meant to me Stormtroopers are able to hit their targets if the plot allows it.
They are precise. They were explicitly given orders not to kill the heroes on the death star, in order for them to track the Falcon to Yavin. You have to be a good marksman to not even hit the Heroes once even by accident.
@@carrot708 Some people forget or ignore the reason they were missing. But we already realize why they were missing at shooting them. They were ordered to have them escape the death star alive to find the rebel base on the moon of Yavin IV. There was a tracker on the falcon. They were using stormtroopers and tie fighter attacks to prevent them from figuring out they were tracked. This shows how the empire's competence made them so ruthlessly fearsome. Unlike Disney made them so incompetent and complete jokes. We miss how they use to make stormtroopers as terrifying as they should be.
They can't seem to kill one or two Mando's but somehow they killed a whole conclave off screen. And the badass Weaponsmith just hides and didn't help until after they all dead, WTFen deal with that?!?!
that would be a very interesting show, maybe they could do something like finn where they turn but its an make an actual character instead of comic relief
@@Valkyrie12X preferably an Imperial era stormtrooper just after the Clone Troopers are replaced with stormtroopers and the stormtrooper getting actual training and having to deal with dying friends in his first battle or something.
@@joris0065 yeah, but im honestly getting tired of "i'm part of the bad guys! but wait...! the bad guys did something bad!? nevermind im switching sides!" i just want a series or movie that shows the struggles of a trooper, dealing with injuries, dealing with loss, maybe the rebels do something fucked up to one of their squad mate that no matter how much they hate working with the empire (if they do at all) they will NEVER turn to the rebellion, maybe they pull off a daring stunt where they are regarded as a war hero among their squad. disney, you don't have to make the empire look good, just make the troopers feel human, alive, make them have a noticable presence everytime they are deployed in a battlefield, just make them COOL.... or atleast scary.
I'll always remember the first time i watched TESB and getting literal chills down my spine during the Lando Betrayal scene, where all the stormtroopers appear out of nowhere, surrounding everyone.
The stormtroopers were able to get through a really thin choke point on the Tantive IV within seconds. Same situation with the Death Star Detention Block. And to quote Obi Wan: "Only imperial Stormtroopers are so precise"
@@user-fn4od7hy5c Becuase the whole movie we were with the main characters. Obviously they can’t him them since they have to survive anyways. In clone wars they can kill as many clones as they like since they aren’t main characters but the og movies are different. That’s why clones are always dying off in that show because only a select few are considered “main” characters. Haven’t watched the whole series btw so no spoilers
@UCNivGrXR5UyBkzQEMHQNfyg The empire wanted them to escape to track them so they could find the Rebel Base. But for the rest of the trilogy it's dumb, yes
Honestly I’m pretty unsatisfied with the treatment of stormtroopers throughout Star Wars, just like you. Actually I’m a big fan of the uncommon trope of a committed low rank enemy soldier that puts up a better fight than most of the villains around him. You know the one truck driving Nazi and random plane mechanic at the end of the Egypt act in “Indiana Jones, Raiders of the Lost Ark.” that’s it, that’s what I’m talking ‘bout. We need that in Star Wars a little more often.
I dont like that storm troopers are basically just canon fodder. But they were established that way from day 1 so.... youd kinda have to rewrite the entire saga if you wanna have some excellent troopers. Even rare ones.
Another thing that always bothered me was how awful at flying the First Orders Tie Fighter Pilots were. There is no conceivable way that Rey could ever hope to outfly not only one but two of them. Again, they have been trained basically from BIRTH. They may as well have been born in a cockpit. I don’t care how good of a pilot Poe thinks he is, there’s no way he could shoot down like 20 tie fighters in a row. Same goes with the First Order stormtroopers themselves. They should genuinely be some of the best marksman in the galaxy, seeing as they also may as well have been born with a blaster in their hands. It makes absolutely no sense how they would miss any shots at all
I think you're thinking of the clone stormtroopers, those were the ones trained from birth. The NO stormtroopers were kids when they were brought or taken, as Finn tells them. They still should be better shots though.
Storm troopers were not trained from birth. Wayyyy to many ppl think the Clone Troopers and Storm Troopers are one on the same when that couldn’t be further from the truth.
@@supermccnasty4176 I’m talking about first order stormtroopers not imperial. And fine, they were taken at a very very very early age, so early that Finn has absolutely no memory of his family or early life, only that he was taken
Tbh I loved the scene from mandalorian when they missed the can. But I agree with the points. They should be shown as somewhat capable of being real danger and not ridiculed at every single ocasion.
We need a show called “Stormtroopers” or “Rise of the Empire” that shows that stormtroopers are actually good soldiers and that the empire isn’t just a joke.
I actually want to make a show called "Star Wars: Empire" that would essentially be an anthology series that follows various types of troopers gaining victory against all odds
it originated in the original trilogy. other than the first scene, stormtroopers miss practically every shot. it's a space opera, not a war film series
@@donnovandalusong266 Competent? Did you watch this video at all? This whole video was basically explaining how incompetent the stormtroopers are in the Mandolariorian.
@@bemotivated8443 yeah by far. the others had good things in them, (for the most part) but none of the other disney star wars films still came close to rouge one
9:13 its likly they killed about more than 10 thousand storm troopers. As the dead troopers horror comic says "Theres only 12 life forces, not the minimum 10 Thousand needed for operation"
I hope Disney starts treating stormtroopers seriously because I'm that fan who is constantly explaining to my friends why in any given instance the stormtroopers aren't just reckless buffoons
@@garyredfield1498 I was really proficient at taking over the Citadel on that snowy planet with the jump-pack trooper in under 60 seconds...or just a couple a minutes. i grew sad when realized no one playing on the servers anymore 😥
I like the mandalorian but i agree on this stormtroopers and the empire in general constantly being portrayed as incompetent fools, is so boring HOW are these fools keeping regions under their fist when they suck so much?? My eyes rolled so hard when 2 scout troopers crashed into eachother for no reason in a mandalorian episode, id love a show where they are acctually good, and a threat like the clone troopers.
We understand they’re goons, but even goons need to be threatening for the heroes’ actions to be meaningful. Otherwise it’s like a bunch of competent adults beating up children. The officers have noticeably slipped as well. Remember how hyper-competent Piett was? Or how the Star Destroyers could counter despite being blindsided? It made it thrilling when the heroes won, because they were going up against competent villains.
Well, this is post-Endor Empire. The old lore had it that most of the best Stormtroopers are dead or retired (in the case of the 501st Legion) and most warlords resorted to just taking Imperial Army Troopers (the Empire's actual cannon fodder) and putting them Stormtrooper armor. The only major exceptions are Grand Admiral Thrawn (who had control of Vader's Fleet Death Squadron and some of the best Stormtroopers as a result and cloned them to boost his numbers) Warlord Zjsini (who created Stormtrooper type unit call the Raptor Commandos) and Ambassador Furgan (who still had control of the Stormtrooper Academy of Cardia). Moff Gideon is a normal fish in a small pond. Dude doesn't even have a Star Destroyer for a flagship so he isn't a blip on the New Republic's radar.
This is what i enjoyed about Rogue One, it was gritty and gave stormtroopers a purpose, they had effective aim, even against the main characters, with death troopers being the top of the line, hitting every shot.
@@Dire_Pack lol I honestly think that Rogue One is the worst example of how to write bad guys. The worst moment being when Jyn grabs a storm trooper's gun and he just falls off a platform to his death. Just because she grabbed his gun too hard. 😂That's what killed him. It's also fascinating how it takes the empire a few minutes to shoot a woman who's pointing a gun at a leader. WOW Someone should tell Disney: "when you don't know how to write bad guys think of what the soviets would do."
@@FriendlyCroock and how a squad of stormtroopers were wiped out by a single imperial droid. A blind guy beating the shit out of them. And fat dude unloading an entire mag into a squad?! Also, notice how in EVERY STAR WARS MOVIE/SHOW/ANYTHING THAT STORMTROOPERS ARE THE LAST ONES TO START SHOOTING? THEY ALSO CANT WALK AND SHOOT AT THE SAME TIME?! OR USE COMMON SENSE AS TO NOT CHARGE AT ENEMIES WITHOUT PROVIDING COVER FIRE?! Disney doesn't know how war works... They have no idea how combat works and only know how to make the enemy seem incompetent.
Even worse when you realize that the Stormtroopers that they use as enemies are actually special forces basically! And that the special forces everyone thinks is the special forces (death troopers) are actually the Elite special forces branch!
You forgot to mention Leia was shot by a stormtrooper on Endor. Also, IG-88's sacrifice is lessened terribly by the threat being just stormtroopers. They probably could have just walked through it and somehow the stormtroopers whoopsie themselves in to the lava.
And the only reason they were missing during the speeder chase on Endor is because it's genuinely difficult to hit a moving target, even if, especially if you're moving as well.
@@CryosisOfficial ultimately Disney dictates what is canon and we VERY rarely get anything even close to stuff from legends from LEGO, who I'm getting have to atleast mention to Disney what set ideas are, think our last legends set was the rebel sandspeeder?
@@cybergames3436 No. Disney dictates what is canon to their "fan"-fiction (correction: shameless cash-grab) and has no bearing or authority over the true Star Wars that came before.
Honestly i would have loved to see a storm trooper rebellion. Like a huge number of them looking up to FIn and just straight up turning on the empire. Realizing that they keep getting treated like shit. And have nothing to acualy lose from a rebellion. But i guess that is way to complex and original for a disney star-wars film. Bad guys go boom is what the normie audience wants.
“Intergalactic Spice Girls”. LOL. nice I think they should treat the heroes the way the soldiers in Saving Private Ryan were treated. Establish character, then character has personality and heroism, then character dies tragically while being heroic. It’s far more impactful
@@mariobadia4553 Cap, scout trooper bested a rebel on endor, and in the bacta wars one of the main characters gets no diffed by an average stormtrooper. Force unleashed, stormtroopers successfully occupied a corrupted and hostile Felicia. They are described as elite shock troopers. In fallen order thry are described as simply frontline soldiers.
Gina being fired for expressing a political opinion kind of proves her point... And when the majority of the government and social media platforms express the same "hypocrisy" as Disney (who loves concentration-camp China), I kind of does make people with Gina's political opinion, more discriminated against in the social space.
This explains why, despite its story flaws, the battles in Rogue One were so engaging. Both the rebels and empire were portrayed as capable and willing to kill each other in battle. As a result, each encounter held actual tension....and meaning.
I would love to hear ya’lls feedback from this idea. It’s an idea for a Star Wars show (that I doubt would ever happen) but for those who know what the show Band of Brothers is, it would be much like that. It would be centered around a stormtrooper squad that would face battle similar to the ones in the beginning of solo with the mud troopers. You would get to know each squad member and keep in mind these are just normal storm troopers, not super soldiers. Members would die each episode and they would be able to actually achieve victory. They would win and lose with each one coming with consequences of the characters you watched being killed off. This show would humanize stormtroopers, show that they aren’t mumbling bafoons, and show that death is a very real thing that can happen to protagonist and characters alike. The show would focus around one specific person, but rather the whole squad. Thoughts?
Frankly I don’t care what kind of show it is I just want one from either the empire or separatist point of view because many people just think of them as robots or cannon fodder when their people ok not the cis but the stormtroopers are people they have emotions and I really loved what squadrons did and let you be a tie pilot
I think Rogue One did really good with stormtroopers. There was literally a point in the movie where a bunch of death troopers came in and mowed down a bunch of rebels and even some main characters
Totally agreeing with you here. Stormtroopers were never portrayed as horribly incompetent as they were in the sequels or in the general media landscape. You have to mind though: In the first movie, the stormtroopers were ordered to let the prisoners escape, so they could find the secret rebel base. A risky plan, as Tarkin said. edit: Ok, you analysed it correctly, I really should watch the video first and then comment.
Stormtroopers: **elite fighting force of highly trained soldiers proficient in sharpshooting, advanced squad tactics, complex boarding maneuvers, and survival behind enemy lines** Also Stormtroopers: **can't function as a squad; can't shoot straight with weapons they've spent countless hours training with; armor is made of Saltine crackers; getting beaten by hillbilly terrorists wielding hand-me-down military hardware and idiot teddy bears who have two sticks and a rock**
When you do some research, these teddy bears are actually quite durable, they have a lot of muscle for their size and are especially dangerous in packs. (No sh*t sherlock) So the fact that the troopers got rekt by ewoks shouldnt be the most surprising, not only that but ewoks know their lands and the troopers dont, same situation happened in Vietnam, drafted soldiers went into unknown territory and got slaughtered by the vietcong because they actually knew how their home worked.
Theres a reason why the rebels in the original trilogy always seemed on the Backfoot, why Obi Wan remarked about stormtrooper accuracy, and why the crew defending the Tantive IV were utterly crushed in minutes. Also, Stormtroopers get a bad wrap for the battle of endor, any soldier would have a hard time fighting off an ambush from an army of hyper strong man eating teddy bears with no preparation when the Ewoks know the land like the back of a hand.
I think people believe that sci-fi level armor should protect its user to all damage, but I kinda find that boring. It kinda adds to the world. Knowing that even in a setting in the future the environment can still be lethal in the most minor of things. But tell that to the prequel fan-brats and their beloved Clonetroopers who also can die by spear: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-HBR-ewXvr4w.html
