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@danreikinspector
@danreikinspector 2 года назад
Full version is on the podcast with much more info. Love it! Can always use more scientific information to make us better hunters!
@ryanburns3921
@ryanburns3921 2 года назад
Which podcast would be? I'd love to check it out.
@TheHuntingPublic
@TheHuntingPublic 2 года назад
For those interested in the full podcast you can check it out by clicking this link. Thanks for watching and listening! thehuntingpublic.podbean.com/e/proof-that-no-buck-is-nocturnal-wbronson-strickland-and-steve-demarais-of-mississippi-state-university/
@michelcloutier6139
@michelcloutier6139 2 года назад
@@TheHuntingPublic great info
@codylebleu951
@codylebleu951 2 года назад
I’m a MSU engineering student I didn’t know we had a deer lab
@drewnight3944
@drewnight3944 2 года назад
They should put a gps collar on Zach and track his tortuosity.
@taylorshytle
@taylorshytle 2 года назад
This was hilarious.
@banekan2818
@banekan2818 2 года назад
Haha
@richkremer6256
@richkremer6256 2 года назад
I don’t think the graph can go that high
@thenibbs6647
@thenibbs6647 Год назад
Rolling😂
@thomasbrogan9102
@thomasbrogan9102 Год назад
Hilarious
@hsbridges
@hsbridges Год назад
Thrilled to hear this talk. I am a biologist working to restore bobwhite habitat in South Carolina. The response of deer to habitats managed for wild quail is positive and unmistakable. Screening cover created by diverse herbaceous plant community offers (literally) tons of high quality forage during the growing season and bedding cover year around. That herbaceous plant community depends on sunlight and fire, as you guys pointed out.
@dr.stevenwadeau.d.3382
@dr.stevenwadeau.d.3382 2 года назад
“Most people can’t stalk a buck...” Zach just stares off and tries not to smile!
@TheWVgoodguy22
@TheWVgoodguy22 2 года назад
I had the same reaction or observation rather. Notice that he said “most”. It’s definitely an skill set that has to be worked on, even though some are more natural.
@michaelfetty2854
@michaelfetty2854 2 года назад
I think alot of that has to do with the universal attitude of instant gratification instead of people not having the ability. Work ethic, patience and persistence are found in fewer people everyday. To develop those skills you need all three.
@woalmann6288
@woalmann6288 2 года назад
I read an article in Field & Stream around the year 2000, it was called “the man who touches deer” I was a very interesting read
@C.Dragon50
@C.Dragon50 Год назад
Killed 2 of my 4 biggest stalk hunting other 2 from stands ..north east missouri can't beat it quality bucks
@patspangler2351
@patspangler2351 2 года назад
My father told me when I was 7-8……hunt fields and open woods to kill does and young bucks. If you want to kill a mature buck hunt where you hunt rabbits. I’ve killed an untold number of mature bucks in my 60+ years of hunting. Thanks Dad for your wise advise.
@bombzdeep4475
@bombzdeep4475 10 месяцев назад
And where do you hunt rabbits? Asking for a friend
@patspangler2351
@patspangler2351 10 месяцев назад
@@bombzdeep4475 I don't anymore......just sold the family farm....sorry
@mattyice9923
@mattyice9923 10 месяцев назад
@@patspangler2351that’s awesome tho man. I just got back into hunting this year, hunting archery only. And I want to learn it all, I started mid November, hunting mainly public land and one private farm. Only seen 8 doe, shot at one but missed. Bow was shooting to the left about 6 inches and got it fixed now I’m middle bullseye and of course I’m not seeing any 😂
@patspangler2351
@patspangler2351 10 месяцев назад
@@mattyice9923 Good luck.....stay after it
@JasonBradley-kw6hu
@JasonBradley-kw6hu 9 месяцев назад
​@@mattyice9923 same here just started hunting again
@muskogeefisherman
@muskogeefisherman 2 года назад
I loved the MSU deer lab RU-vid videos on deer bedding. Very informative especially for Southern hunters. Their videos don't have many views though. Not sure why
@conradyoder6897
@conradyoder6897 2 года назад
Researcher- “Hunters will not stalk up on a deer... not gonna happen.” Zach- Stares into space with a sly grin...
@tannerlamb6501
@tannerlamb6501 2 года назад
I was waiting for Zach to say something about that 😂
@ReubenZeigler
@ReubenZeigler 2 года назад
Rofl that was my thought. But Zach isnt normal and most can’t do it. It takes a level of physical conditioning plus a mind set plus a knowledge of deer habits plus knowledge of wind conditions
@codylebleu951
@codylebleu951 2 года назад
You missed the most important part of that quote he said “most hunters cannot stalk up on a deer” he did not say all
@DROPTINE
@DROPTINE 2 года назад
LOL Statistically your NOT Gonna stalk a 160" deer. Zack had a horseshoe in his Ass that day LOL. GOOD STUFF!!
@joshuabennett7334
@joshuabennett7334 2 года назад
Stalking deer is one of those things it might work once out of 200 attempts but he is generally going to notice a predator in his living room a lot quicker than you are going to notice him
@MumzieFunnn12
@MumzieFunnn12 2 года назад
Love the content and proud of MSU to share the info with us! Keep ‘‘em coming
@vikingrobot4179
@vikingrobot4179 Год назад
I’ve been hunting over 30 years. I’ve developed some very successful habits. First is I act like a buck when other hunters are in an area. I get the hell away from them and go up and deep. Also I scan a ridge and a valley and many times if I have a ladder or a climber or natural blind I will run to my spot in hopes of attracting noise for curious deer to come see what I am. In many cases they come running thinking I’m another deer . They’re very social creatures and to their detriment I capitalize on that. I’ve studied deer body language regarding their social skills. It’s hard to sneak up an a bedded buck because he’s not asleep he’s alert always. But I’ve gotten close by moving super slow and quiet. I usually don’t walk/stalk unless the leaves are wet and quiet. When they’re noisy I’ll try to come in as quiet as possible but I would start a run to a ladder in hopes of attracting curious deer. It worked for me many times. I also pay attention to noises and activities of other animals, birds and even bugs because they will alert you to large creatures moving in the woods. Also I’ve noticed something that I would love for wildlife biologists to study and that is the fact that when I’m hunting when the mosquitos are still active it never fails that when I’m straining to listen and pinpoint a noise of a possible deer I always always get a mosquito buzz my freaking ear hole. I think our body puts off a certain hormone or something that attracts mosquitos when we try to increase our sense of hearing. Call me nuts but it’s just one observation I have. I’ve taken many notes from conditions and observations of my hunts for years and think when I’m dead and gone my grandchildren will have some very interesting material to read….especially if they hunt. The thing that really pisses me off as a hunter is baiting deer with corn. They made it legal in north Ga and now everyone does it. It’s really hard as a hunter that hunts many private properties to get deer to leave the neighboring feeders. I just refuse to hunt over bait and it just cheapens the idea of actually hunting when you’re shooting fish in a barrel.
@P0wderMonkey
@P0wderMonkey 12 дней назад
I hunt in North Texas private and public, bow only. I've noticed the bucks never come to my feeders, only doe do.
@banekan2818
@banekan2818 2 года назад
Zack’s bobbin this head like it’s “music to his ears”.
@nickricholetti754
@nickricholetti754 11 месяцев назад
I love this and i love how you never stop learning when it comes to deer hunting
@adamdrouin2295
@adamdrouin2295 2 года назад
This is awesome guys! I clicked as fast as I could. Love this kind of content
@JayN4GO
@JayN4GO 2 года назад
Loved it! Can’t wait to hear about nocturnal deer research
@ericnelson3374
@ericnelson3374 2 года назад
I spend à lot of time scouting every year. Lately it's been all public land. Through that I've seen an enormous laking in land management . Î'm at the point now where I wonder if it would work to do a "adopt à public area" senario much like the "adopt à highway" programs out there.
@nockreel1190
@nockreel1190 2 года назад
That would be really cool actually. I agree
@karlwellendorf763
@karlwellendorf763 2 года назад
I've thought the same kinda thing. Maybe utilize volunteers.
@johnbracewell3700
@johnbracewell3700 2 года назад
@@karlwellendorf763 problem is with that people get the "I own this spot" attitude. You think grown men can be friends and understand it's PUBLIC land that they're working on, but they cant. They'll invest a ton of time into making "their spot" the way they want in and freak out when they find another truck there. I live in very south alabama and have a 27,000 acre WMA 10 minutes from my house that is bow only except for 4 weekends a year. The entire 4 month bow season I saw only 2 or 3 other hunters and I hunted 3-4 days a week. There's not enough hunters these days for the land to get the attention it needs it would seem
@TomOnTheRun
@TomOnTheRun 2 года назад
@@johnbracewell3700 Unfortunately, true.
@chuck8586
@chuck8586 2 года назад
Depends on the state your in and the kind of public youre on, for quality of public land management. Im in Pennsylvania, and theres state gameland, which is supposed to be geared towards hunters, but i prefer state forest land, which is does state managed forest, and tends to have better game and nicer habitats
@brushcrawler8612
@brushcrawler8612 3 месяца назад
Steve: "most hunters cant stalk a buck". 8:50 THP: Hold our beers
@randygibbon8547
@randygibbon8547 2 года назад
Great video, The MSU deer lab has been doing great work for years.
@josephreichart7545
@josephreichart7545 10 месяцев назад
Not a hunter. yet live with them in my area,such an informative watch Thanks guys. Happy teachings
@adrianriley8609
@adrianriley8609 2 года назад
Just pausing this to comment about his comment saying "most people can't stalk a deer" Zach "hold my water jug"
@pippencreekproductions
@pippencreekproductions 2 года назад
I thought the same thing when I heard the podcast.
@JohnSims3
@JohnSims3 Год назад
Thanks for the great video! In all my years of hunting I've found that you sit tight against the thick and swampy stuff and you'll be successful...maybe not on your time though! That buck only needs a 3 foot dry patch to bed on.
@nate_stanton
@nate_stanton Год назад
This was very informative. Kinda chuckled at dude telling Zach to sit on stand and wait.
@Hammerback0
@Hammerback0 Год назад
Cool. An entire group talking about bucks and not one said "HORNS". Bravo!
@ML-ks2lj
@ML-ks2lj 11 месяцев назад
Winter time they go for green green green. At keast in my area if there is pines they eat sll the kow hanging needles. All the wild roses, chewed up. All of it.
@chuckokelley2448
@chuckokelley2448 Год назад
I told my son when he was young and just started hunting the deer like to go where the people don't go especially once the pressure's on Sometimes it can be a little patch of wood that everybody drives past to go hunting
@erickramer4580
@erickramer4580 2 года назад
Keep these coming. Watched both twice already and have learned so much.. Cant wait for this fall.
@rudygeorgiamulesandcountry1594
@rudygeorgiamulesandcountry1594 2 года назад
I can show you places in NW Pennsylvania on public land (SGL) Where deer are pawing through the December snow 50 feet behind a parking lot on the edge of the road to get at low level grass & greens below the normal weed growth
@southernslipping4225
@southernslipping4225 Год назад
Not many people can do what these guess do hats off to y’all
@michaelsalter3651
@michaelsalter3651 2 года назад
Awesome video with some great information! Thank you THP!
@misupercooner
@misupercooner 2 года назад
Really enjoyed this episode! Very enlightening! Just listened to the podcast 🤯
@SaVaGeHuNtEr2294
@SaVaGeHuNtEr2294 Год назад
I didn't know they had those types of classes
@jean-michelbeland8576
@jean-michelbeland8576 2 года назад
Man I love these kinds of videos
@bobbygreen2291
@bobbygreen2291 2 года назад
Great show guys ,,good to see y’all off season , hope all is well
@gerald4133
@gerald4133 2 года назад
They travel& breed at night. I've found fresh tracks on 20 degree soil I couldn't break walk 30 yards from a farm house. Another is they find thick fence lines to hide those Massive Racks. One day I was pre scouting & I watched what I thought was a tangle of thicket on the other side get up & walk away. Some of our Bucks up in the Midwest have Monster Bucks 200-250 with hind quarters not far from Mulies.
@jacobhelton6237
@jacobhelton6237 2 года назад
Love the content. Thanks for all the knowledge, definitely gunna put it to use this coming season
@russellallen9648
@russellallen9648 Год назад
Call it brawls...its a easy access food source. Brawls is not just woody tip type food. Its any low available easy access food...
@brucefineout2963
@brucefineout2963 2 года назад
I was small game hunting and was confronted by deer hunters and made to feel very afraid by them for hunting in their area
@donkeyballs7860
@donkeyballs7860 11 месяцев назад
Yeah stay the f out of the way. No one cares about small game hunting. Yall are weak son
@prestonduncan6340
@prestonduncan6340 2 года назад
All ways good to learn something new..
@trob205
@trob205 2 года назад
High hunting pressure was 1 hunter/75 acres? Lower Michigan normal hunting pressure is at least 2-3x that just based on broken parcel private land.
@josephsnisky1851
@josephsnisky1851 Год назад
When I see mature bucks they live hide and bed where it is unreal thicker than thick surrounds the spot they choose to lay . I have to consider if I could even get it out should I bag one . Steep, rocky and far from paths, roads and help no wonder they are trophy bucks.
@alexlindley5156
@alexlindley5156 Год назад
Great video guys. Love the knowledge.
@kevinwillauer5348
@kevinwillauer5348 9 месяцев назад
Could someone please tell me how these guys managed to collar that many mature bucks. I’m assuming they would have to dart them at night on feed piles using lights but it still seems like a tall task
@southoutmcknight3263
@southoutmcknight3263 2 года назад
This video was super informative. Great stuff
@anthonyoutdoors3809
@anthonyoutdoors3809 2 года назад
waiting to see you guys come to Virginia a lot of diversity here. I'd love to see how yall would take it on here. maybe one day in the future ill run in to yall
@graysquirreltreeservice7299
Love ❤️ the 🦌🦌🦌knowledge 🥰
@scottmcley5111
@scottmcley5111 Год назад
The thick cover fields with multiple plant assortments are the better cover? I wonder if native Prarie grasses fit that niche?
@russellwatters5891
@russellwatters5891 2 года назад
Interesting information to digest, thanks for sharing! I often wondered where the bucks went to that survived opening weekend. Now I'll concentrate in different areas only heavier cover. Thank you gentlemen. Love what you're doing ❤️
@troykohlhorst1119
@troykohlhorst1119 2 года назад
Damn Zach I thought this was suppose to be 13+ hahahaha just giving you some chunky doo doo on those Daisy Dukes!
@padkisson26
@padkisson26 2 года назад
Love this type of content! Definitely gives new insight!
@joehorton01
@joehorton01 2 года назад
Am i the only person having this problem? when my phone is landscape, bronson is quiet and steve sounds fine. But when i turn it portrait their volumes switch.
@sed6
@sed6 Год назад
12:10 Meat and potatoes starts here
@saelee33
@saelee33 Год назад
What about Northern California? Need some help please
@BillyAbigail
@BillyAbigail 24 дня назад
958 Hoeger Streets
@efngepic2363
@efngepic2363 Год назад
"And the cigarette smoke" like a deer can tell thats smoke from tobacco not a fire 🤣
@martyrenn9888
@martyrenn9888 2 года назад
Hey guys I enjoy your channel, but unfortunately I am hearing impaired l can only hear out of my left ear and I use headphones so I don’t bother others. When your guest speak they are coming in one on the left and one on the right. When this happens I have to remove my headphones and reverse them to hear your guest then I miss what they have to say. I know I’m only one viewer but anything you could do to maybe make the sound mono instead of stereo. I would appreciate anything. Thank you.
@Endorfen2011
@Endorfen2011 2 года назад
Great video! Sub earned.
@noahstebbins3383
@noahstebbins3383 2 года назад
Regardless if it’s public I hunt the swamps, 1.big bucks always go there bc it’s so thick and hard to get into 2.most hunters are to lazy to backpack 2 hours into the swamp every morning at 3:30am lol
@donkeyballs7860
@donkeyballs7860 11 месяцев назад
Do you ever get scared walking that far in the swamp
@allibani
@allibani Год назад
I always find most big bucks hide just outside towns within 20 yrd to 500 yards and usually hide in plain sight
@cohenbryan8822
@cohenbryan8822 2 года назад
Great video
@johnschultz6990
@johnschultz6990 2 года назад
Great video learned a lot
@BrothaAustin
@BrothaAustin 2 года назад
I love this video right here
@SurvivalHunting
@SurvivalHunting Год назад
the older fella sounds like johnny cash
@h-minus2212
@h-minus2212 2 года назад
To Zach's point - I just can't bring myself to cut a food plot into my land and hunt over it. I can cut trees to release an oak or increase the amount of sunlight hitting the forest floor in order to increase browse, but to insert a field is to become a farmer. Then to worry about weeds and rain and fertilizer - not interested.
@leezimmer9855
@leezimmer9855 2 года назад
just watched excellent
@matthewjeffersom4414
@matthewjeffersom4414 2 года назад
Great content two thumbs up
@fredsalay720
@fredsalay720 2 года назад
Great video guys very interesting 👍.
@FreebornOutdoors
@FreebornOutdoors 2 года назад
Need more of this info
@damonphalin6023
@damonphalin6023 11 месяцев назад
I’ve seen many farmers in trucks, combines and UTVs drive in and around my area and deer don’t pay really any attention. Meaning they don’t feel a threat. Seems like a person ie: hunter walking and they are on alert
@cantgetenoughoutdoors3258
@cantgetenoughoutdoors3258 2 года назад
This is gonna be good 👍
@anarchorepublican5954
@anarchorepublican5954 Год назад
where?....my front yard...🏡🦌
@russellallen9648
@russellallen9648 Год назад
This is not congruent to hunting public land high pressure areas especially close to easy access areas. You have to take in residential areas next to public hunting... they get use to human habit.
@Twitchisatrick
@Twitchisatrick 2 года назад
Im wondering about a gun range thats open daily does deer get used to that and would stay close or would they spook and go far
@derekniewind7097
@derekniewind7097 2 года назад
In my experience they get used to it. I’ve been to multiple shooting ranges where there were deer along the roads between sporting clay sets and I’ve also seen deer tracks on rifle ranges when going to hang the targets.
@Twitchisatrick
@Twitchisatrick 2 года назад
@@derekniewind7097 I was thinking the same but wasn't sure. I've hunted by a range and it seemed like they were used to it.
@BattleBendOutdoors
@BattleBendOutdoors 2 года назад
I use other hunters all the time
@Former11b
@Former11b Год назад
High pressure is one hunter per 75 acres Me on my 6 ac parcel ☹️
@elonmust7470
@elonmust7470 Год назад
8:50 That's the only way I've ever killed bucks believe it or not.
@bigsexymanbear1950
@bigsexymanbear1950 2 года назад
These are great, thanks.
@aarondeyoung3340
@aarondeyoung3340 2 года назад
I really appreciate how you guys go the extra mile to educate the viewers on each video instead of just showing quick kills with little info like most other channels
@jefffarr1796
@jefffarr1796 2 года назад
Good info
@thebigbuckslayerr579
@thebigbuckslayerr579 2 года назад
I'd love to see more content like this from you guys . Hunting videos are cool but I'd rather learn
@2daysoffproductions887
@2daysoffproductions887 2 года назад
“Most hunters can’t stalk a buck” as he’s sitting across from a true deer stalking legend in the making
@davidelin89
@davidelin89 2 года назад
Thanks for all the great information and for educating us on these in depth deer hunting studies! I find these topics super interesting and valuable and I appreciate you guys putting out great content year round! Keep up the great work boys, by far the best channel on the tube!
@csedan510
@csedan510 Год назад
I tried to this morning, and couldn't do it. I bumped him in the thick on the other side of my food plot. It was raining with about an inch of snow on the ground. I gave it about 1/2 hr, then followed till he hit a crazy thick hell hole that there was no way I could get through subtly. I've got his zone at least, gonna go back in a few days.
@csedan510
@csedan510 Год назад
....but after listening to this, he may be gone. This is my own 80 acre wood lot which from their example is "high pressure".
@shanerRC
@shanerRC 2 года назад
That was funny when he said most people can't stalk up on a buck to those 2 guys haha.
@fishingva9946
@fishingva9946 2 года назад
“Most hunters can’t stalk up a buck” *awkward pause* 👀
@graysquirreltreeservice7299
Lmao
@knightnoah7
@knightnoah7 Год назад
Haha I noticed that too
@ryanj8274
@ryanj8274 Год назад
😆
@garrettstraffon608
@garrettstraffon608 2 года назад
It’s amazing how big bucks live in my area in northwest pa. I think the swamp and thicket has a big part in helping them survive. Just so much hunting pressure tree stands everywhere but they still make it
@Dooguy
@Dooguy Год назад
Where ya from garrett Im from a small town in wester pa and there are defin some big bucks around us.
@ncsaddlehunter77
@ncsaddlehunter77 2 года назад
Thank you for making this type of content. There is always plenty to be learned. I strive to learn something every time I get to hunt and if possible every trip into the field or forest.
@OscarPerez-mn3po
@OscarPerez-mn3po 2 года назад
Deer Dr.’s Demarais & Strickland were awesome guests to have on! They shared some valuable deer movement Intell thanks to Arron and Zach’s Q’s. Along with nocturnal buck movements, we’d be really interested in hearing about telemetry studies on buck movements during the rut, weather fronts, extreme wind, and average distance traveled between bedding and feeding areas, if studies exist. Thanks THP for making us students of our passion. And Zach, your quad and calf muscles explain your monkey abilities climbing up and down hills with ease!💪🏼🦌👍
@Ryan.Willis
@Ryan.Willis 2 года назад
Deer University Podcast is these MSU fellas; good stuff but not super active.
@jkkpiton8125
@jkkpiton8125 2 года назад
I hunt northern WI which entails national forest public land. The feds didn't like to cut mature stands of forest. In 2019 we had straight line winds that took out thousands of acres in Oconto and Langlade county. Now that they have had to cut to clean up the destruction zone deer numbers are finally increasing and the amount of forage the deer have has increased substantially. Thanks for the info and love these kind of videos.
@MSgt_Boon
@MSgt_Boon 11 месяцев назад
Suggestion: bring pruning shears into every hunt. Snip branches off early season at 3 to 5 ft height. The fresh growth is way more appealing to deer.
@Straightahead101
@Straightahead101 2 года назад
Way better than Bone Collecter or anything on the Outdoor channel, THP!
@mnoutdrs8589
@mnoutdrs8589 2 года назад
Interviewer: "Most hunters aren't going to stalk a buck." Zach: Hold my beer
@DeerHuntingCajuns
@DeerHuntingCajuns 2 года назад
Bill and Ted’s Interview with “Deer Socrates.” 😂😂😂
@amjorgy1
@amjorgy1 2 года назад
Interesting, they have two deer researchers on the show and Aaron manages to do most of the talking.....
@timlemay1074
@timlemay1074 2 года назад
That tends to happen with him 😂
@USAACbrat
@USAACbrat Год назад
Deer watch hunters, hunters don't look around. Most areas have pre-season hunting for up to a month. I Feel the increased traffic on roads and the general increase in noise cause the deer to start to head for cover.
@arrowheadangler
@arrowheadangler 2 года назад
This is fantastic! We hunt a ton of very remote public land in northern MN and are fortunate that the pressure is low- so the deer are not super skittish.
@USAACbrat
@USAACbrat Год назад
mineral blocks will change deer movements.
@Talonthir
@Talonthir 2 года назад
Been waiting to watch this since i listened to this podcast! I'm watching and listening again! And btw this should be re-uploaded as the full podcast.
@peggoty75
@peggoty75 2 года назад
great information wonder if it applies across the board where I hunt in Massachusetts its 10 hunters or more per 100 acres. 1 hunter per 75 acres is not high pressure. I would love to see a study in a different scenario
@ADVENTURESOFBZ
@ADVENTURESOFBZ 2 года назад
Fantastic boys!!! More and more content like this please!! The more we know the better!!🙏🤘🤘🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
@billyray8062
@billyray8062 2 года назад
Excellent info guys thanks big time!!
@mattlonon9947
@mattlonon9947 Год назад
"Most hunters can't stalk up a buck." - Talking to Zach, who stalked a ton of bucks.
@FloridaTurfPros
@FloridaTurfPros 11 месяцев назад
“Most hunters can’t stalk up on a buck, they’re just not gonna do it.” Zack: 😏
@danielmurray9249
@danielmurray9249 2 года назад
pennsylvania game commission did a similiar gps study with deer and hunters, they found hunting pressure made the bucks go up to the mountain ridges, cuz most hunters arent gonna travel too far nor hunt arduously in steep terrain
@dilo777
@dilo777 Год назад
I'm curious how this would apply to blacktail deer?
@slkrick3319
@slkrick3319 Год назад
Same...most of this info and viewers commenting are talking about WT locations and areas. I don't think these guys even know how spooky and difficult it is to track and figure out Blacktail especially in very high pressure states like CA.
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