"How do I know if Im training correctly in Siu Nim Tao?" - Wing Chun discussion

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Learn the entire CST Wing Chun method Online: www.mindfulwin...
In the following video, Nima addresses one of the most common questions asked by people following the Chu Shong Tin Wing Chun system. He also discusses the importance of persistence in practice and shares his own experience during the times where his motivation was down...
*A note about this channel the lineage:
Sifu Nima King is the owner and team leader of Mindful Wing Chun, a CST Wing Chun school in Hong Kong with affiliations around the world. Mindful Wing Chun is wholeheartedly dedicated to passing on the internal wing chun method as passed down by Grandmaster Chu Shong Tin who was the longest serving student of Grandmaster Ip Man. Chu Shong Tin lived with Ip Man for 5 years (1950-1955) and was coined the title ' the king of siu nim tao' by his master Ip Man.
He was a legend in the world of Wing Chun (in particular the internal method of wing chun) and spent 64years passing it on full-time before he passed away in 2014. Nim King practiced under hin in Hong Kong for 9 years and established Mindful Wing Chun under CST's guidance. Nima is also on the board of Directors for the 'Chu Shong Tin Alumni' which is a group of senior students of CST that were hand picked by him to establish the Alumni and to uphold and continue his teachings and Wing Chun legacy after he passed away.
Grandmaster Chu Shong Tin was a very humble and low-key Wing Chun Master therefore its only after we began putting his videos online, that people started to hear about him. In fact, majority of the main Wing CHun teachers (of the Ip Man lineage) who began practice in the 50s and early 60s (apart of Leung Sheung and Lok Yiu) were trained by CST even-though they were Ip Man's students. This is due to CST being the most snr and main teacher of Ip Man's school in those days.
Nima was lucky to start his practice under CST in 2005 because that's when CST decided to change his teaching to all internal practice so that he can pass on "Nim Tao' and 'Nim Lik' (the mind power/energy cultivated through internal Wing Chun practice) to his students.
Nima, even though a non-chinese and much younger than the other students of CST, attained a high level of these final teachings. He now mainly teaches the seniors within this lineage and also travels around giving workshops and is working on an online program so that master CST's teaching can have a greater reach.
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Long live the genuine and internal art of Wing Chun / Ving Tsun!

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@shooten1st 6 лет назад

Thank you Nima. That was excellent. Knowing what Sigung was able to do sets the bar really high. After over a year and a half practicing every day, I’m seeing results. I do have a trading partner from another lineage who is very skilled. It’s very tough to have the right mindset under pressure and constant attack but slowly there is improvement. My Sifu from my youth always said that it takes a long time to build a mountain.

@MindfulWingChun 6 лет назад

Indeed it does take a long time to build a mountain :) great words!

@Dragon-sz9zr 3 года назад

You have answered questions that I have been wondering about. I will give it my hardest and will not stop. If your in the states,I am willing to travel and train with you one day.

@MindfulWingChun 3 года назад

I'm glad you found this useful. And looking forward to hopefully meeting you one day. All the best till then 😊👊🏼

@marks2708 6 лет назад

You're such a good teacher Nima. Keep it up.

@MindfulWingChun 6 лет назад

Cheers Mark

@tj14 6 лет назад

Great info. Respect for Sifu Nima

@MindfulWingChun 6 лет назад

thank you

@entertaichi 5 лет назад

Thanks for sharing! Have an awesome day!

@MindfulWingChun 2 года назад

Thank you. And you too. Only 2 years late on my reply. better late than never? haha 😅🙏

@U.W.Y.H.L. 2 года назад

Sifu King, Mindful Wing Chun practitioners or anyone else that may know anything about other wing chun styles or practitioners other than your own; I would be eternally grateful if you could give any input on other styles or practitioners mainly mine under William Cheung! Whether or not Grand Master Cheung’s practice will yield internal stated results isn’t clear, because like many other wing chun styles or practitioners it’s never even discussed besides a book I have from William Cheung! My brother is a master instructor at a school he opened with a co worker and I’ve been exposed to wing chun for over 30yrs but I’m just now deeply into “internally” labeled or emphasized styles from studying and practicing my personal favorite which is Bagua! Once I learned of Mindful Wing Chun and others who emphasized this “internal aspect, I learned that there are differences but that internal quality or state is the same or in the least is highly similar! So specifically I’d really love to finally know if William Cheung’s sil lim tau which is in uniform with chum kiu and bil jee in the opening of the stance, whereas Mindful Wing Chun and others have that toe’s facing in then out thing instead of circle stepping into the stance like bil jee! Now if for some reason the Nim Tau state can’t be achieved because of that I’d really like to know why it’s not even in bil jee! I’m also pretty sure I’m not the only one who’d like some light shed on this subject! It’s really sad how different wing chun practitioners never get together to resolve these extremely pertinent issues.🤔🤷🏻🙄/✌️🤲☝️

@MindfulWingChun Год назад

Hey man, thanks for the detailed comment/question. To be very honest I have no experience in any other Wing Chun method in terms of spending time to practice them. I have however touched hands with pretty much every other Wing Chun lineage's practitioners both from Ip Man lineage and Mainland China. That is how I do may sharing with the other Wing Chun schools. In fact our Saturday classes here in HK are open to all Wing Chun schools and they come for a gathering to do chisau. its good fun. So I'm afraid I really can't (and it wouldn't be right to do so) comment on William Cheung's method as I've never practiced it. I can only comment and share my ideas from the CST / Mindful Wing CHun lineage and method of practice. I do recommend you check out our online school and try the 1-week free trial and in that you will get an insight into our method and Siu Nim Tao style :)

@U.W.Y.H.L. Год назад

@@MindfulWingChun Thank you for your response! I understand that you can’t possibly comment on that which you haven’t practiced yourself, but surely you can make an informative opinion on what you’ve experienced from “touching hands” and sharing your ideas with what you said about the Wing Chun gatherings with people other than your own! You being a prominent, experienced and respectable figure in the Wing Chun world are an awesome asset that could very well fill the void of knowledge of differences and or similarities between the lineages, practitioners you’ve actually touched hands with and whatever styles that differ from your own! For instance, you said you’ve touched hands with many other Wing Chun practitioners other than Mindful Wing Chun, so PLEASE make a video on that showing the differences or similarities and your or their opinions also; especially those who may not emphasize on “internal” aspects at all so to in the least save people like me the trouble of possibly spending a lifetime in the wrong direction according to personal aspirations! ✌️🤲☝️

@wingchun-simplekungfu7584 3 года назад

Great explanation sifu. Clear & precise. Thanks 🙏 well done.

@MindfulWingChun 3 года назад

thanks bro 🙏🏼

@colreef 6 лет назад

Another very insightful video.Thanks for sharing.

@MindfulWingChun 6 лет назад

My Pleasure! cheers

@madwax1360 6 лет назад

My dream is to go to Hong Kong and learn real wing chun.

@MindfulWingChun 6 лет назад

Looking forward to training with you here in HK :)

@wingchun-simplekungfu7584 3 года назад

I hope you make it if you haven’t already. Nima Kung is the real thing. He has been blessed by his time with our grandmaster 👍🏻

@ASDREX458 6 лет назад

Thanks for the video! Answered some of my questions

@MindfulWingChun 6 лет назад

Great! Very Welcome!!

@kwl4829 Год назад

the 師傅‘s remarks are not easy to fathom

@MindfulWingChun Год назад

any questions, just ask away and I will try to clarify 👍🏻

@LameBlacksmith 6 лет назад

Hello Mindful Wing Chun! As I understand it, CST looked into Nima's eyes and could do mindful relaxation ("you can't do it... now you can do it"). I've seen your other videos when you show that he can "disconnect" his muscles. The question is, has Nima grown after CST passed away? Or was it before.

@MindfulWingChun 6 лет назад

Hi Oscar, this is Nima replying. And yes, I have improved a lot in the last 4years since he passed away.

@LameBlacksmith 6 лет назад

Hello Nima! I got confused by the description, I thought someone else managed the channel, sorry! In another video you said that CST once told you about him being able to lift two sacks of 30kilos ( or was it 50?) One with each arm and he pivoted his hips due to the volume of the sacks. How far have you pushed your limits? Is there such thing as a limits, once you start improving?

@MindfulWingChun 6 лет назад

It was 50kgs each side :) And at the moment, Im only putting it under pressure in sparring, ground fighting, performing the Long Pole Form, moving at maximum speed when hitting the floor to ceiling ball etc. To be very honest I dont feel I can retain a good enough relaxation level in the above let alone lifting very heavy weights like he did... All in good time :)

@clarky_jjits 6 лет назад

Joe Chan is flying under the radar. Not many know of him, but his Wing Chun skill is very high.

@MindfulWingChun 6 лет назад

Indeed he is. Joe is a good mate of mine and I see him in HK when he comes for Lunar New Year to see his mum. Love Chi Sauing him and at the age of 61, he is one of the very few ppl who make me work hard :) Tell him Nima says Hi

@patarikisoterion9899 6 лет назад

We are hoping to have Joe at this years camp in Adelaide. Be really cool if this happens.

@yogavibe2516 5 лет назад

Great vid and story !!

@MindfulWingChun 5 лет назад

Thanks for the kind comment :)

@mokkimhoe5564 6 лет назад

Well said Nima. Very inspiring video to keep me going. BTW, something that make me pondering is on the stance some people said that spine need to align with thigh in straight line. What's your advise on the stance? I feel very tired after 5 minutes.

@MindfulWingChun 6 лет назад

My pleasure. Are you applying Taigung and Seng (rising up the spine)? if not search through this channel to find some videos on it. This is the way to relax the legs.. Anyway our Online School will be ready in a few months so there'll be 100s of vids to enjoy :)

@Far7anR 4 года назад

So do you think 31 is not too late to start and achieve high level? Everyone I read about always started when they were in their teens and are already masters by their 30's. Not just in whicn chun, but other stuff, too. Sometimes it is discouraging, especially in a system like wing chun where you have to really just keep trying and trying to get those results, as you just mentioned here.

@MindfulWingChun 4 года назад

31 is still very young! Martial arts like this type of Wing Chun and things like BJJ are very effective right into old ages of 80s and 90s. So you have 50years man and the sooner you get started the better :)

@leeseowyeow8636 5 лет назад

Hi Nima. Does taigung also involve the opening of the hip? Must I press in my knees in the goat stance?

@MindfulWingChun 5 лет назад

Yes, that is its main purpose (along with relaxing the lower back). there is no need to squeeze the knees inwards but rather point (focus) them forwards into the apex of the triangle. hope that hels

@Mes94 6 лет назад

Nima Sifu, could you maybe tell us when the course will be online and how much it will cost maybe?

@MindfulWingChun 5 лет назад

Hi Frank. The official launch will be January 1st so around a month to go. The cost will differ according to the subscription but it can be as low as 39US per month. There will be an average of 7 videos released per week.

@pskw87 6 лет назад

Hi, I watched many of your videos. Does this power work on objects, not humans? Do you have more power to move weights?

@MindfulWingChun 6 лет назад

Hey man. Yes absolutely. Its just a more efficient way of using the skeletal system so it helps in moving objects, sports etc not just Martial Arts. This is why I love this art so much :)

@deSUSATYO_channel 5 лет назад

Nice video like it

@MindfulWingChun 5 лет назад

cheers

@perrypelican9476 4 года назад

Why does it have to be sil lim Tao. After doing this for so long, do you ever think of improving the form to make it more efficient to get to your goals? I mean, the tai ji practitioners have different forms towards similar results, so you would think that there would be an evolution towards efficiency. Do you think that there is something so special about the form or is it just about keeping things organized so you don't have everyone doing their own forms. I am thinking that when you start, you want to find a very comfortable position that makes relaxing extremely easy. Everyone is different so I am thinking about having a few forms and let people choose the one that is easiest for them based on things like flexibility and body shape, etc to get to a relaxed state. Maybe the ones who relax into s'il lim Tao will obviously advance the fastest. Are you getting my point? I have been trying my own version of s'il lim Tao based on what is most relaxing for me personally. Once I get relaxed I slowly evolve into the strict version of the form. I wouldn't think it matters as long as you get to doing it correctly and why not get there in ways that are more efficient? It's not about being in a rush but the faster you get to the state you want, the faster you will be ready to fight. Eventually you want to be there all the time, right? I see it like changing your muscle memory or retraining your mind. Is your birth name Nima King? It is it short for something?

@MindfulWingChun 4 года назад

SNT is the form that enables one to tap into the Nim Tao state. Also because of the stance, centerline, and the structure of the movements you will be able to put the Nim Tao into application. The fact that the entire body is still apart from the arms means that its easier to retain the Stillness needed to gain the relaxation and eventually release the energy. Of course with the later forms we begin to move the body and then move at maximum speed but skipping SNT will mean that Nim Tao is not really achievable. This is why CST put such great emphasis on SNT. The form is perfect the way it is and there is no need to modify it in my opinion. It's not to do with fighting but rather cultivating the Nim TAo state hence why there is no need for modification. The applications can and should be modified as times change (i.e. to deal with grappling these days etc.) Nima is my birth name and King is surname that I chose myself :)

@yunshen 4 года назад

If Taiji forms can achieve similar results to Siu Lim Tao, then I would prefer Siu Lim Tao since it's so much shorter then the Taiji forms.

@ladyt2588 6 лет назад

This is why i quit so many times...How do u know and practice alone?😧😧😧😧

@MindfulWingChun 6 лет назад

Keep going. Get back into it and don't quit. Best thing to do is to try and find a training partner who lives nearby. Later this year when our online school is up and running it can be used to locate like-minded ppl around who would like to meet up and practice together...

@taipang81 6 лет назад

Mindful Wing Chun Online? Reaaaally? How are you even going to get the proper feedback and instructions online? I ve always enjoyed your content, but I can not agree with this possible approach. We will see I guess?

@spawn314159 6 лет назад

SNT very slowly, feel for the empty bit, keep looking for the empty bit.

@MindfulWingChun 6 лет назад

Ive been working on it for nearly 9 months now. I have absolute faith and know that it will help many people. its purpose is to pass on the method so that people can practice. there will also be a community based on the online school from which people can ask questions, send videos and meet up to train with each other. Then, the plan is to do global workshops so ppl can get live feedback. But those attending the workshops would already know the method so therefore can take away a lot more from the seminars :)

@MindfulWingChun 6 лет назад

nice!!!

@eksempler69 3 года назад

amazing, could you help me with tai.gong cause i don't know how much i have to my sphincter. and if i do it right, so my question is from a range from 1to10 how much should i contract it??

@MindfulWingChun 3 года назад

If standing upright with a very good and natural posture (neutral spine, pelvis etc.) then its probably 1 out of 10 in terms of the effort on contraction. But it's important to couple Taigung with simultaneously having intention flowing up your spine and relaxing the entire mid section. by itself and without the above mentioned, Taigung won't really have much of an effect

@stephenhoffman6869 6 лет назад

Not thinking?Sensitivity comes from 2 man exercises the jong chi sau and putting on the gear.My Sifu lived with GM Moy Yat in New York for 25 years and before that trained with another Sifu.I don't know who this guy trained with but he better not use it in a fight.If the other guys back hurts he's out of shape.

@MindfulWingChun 6 лет назад

I learned under Chu Shong Tin in Hong Kong for 10years. Yes training partners are very important but incase you didnt read the title of the video, the student was asking about SNT which is a solo practice. Chu Shong Tin was the main teacher at Ip Man's school when Moy Yat started training there by the way ;)

@stephenhoffman6869 6 лет назад

I watched your video again and wrote a couple hundred words to what I think is wrong since I have been practicing wc longer than you.But I changed my mind because I don't think it would do any good in your case.

@hatefmonajemi 6 лет назад

Nima King is one of the bests out there in the Wing Chun world. The Wing Chun skill does not come by the number of years you spend in someone's house. It comes from proper training. Power does not come from Chi Sao with a partner, but comes from 'Isolation'. Chi Sao is to test and verify that you've acquired skill to manipulate qi. What Nima is talking about is high-level Wing Chun that is experienced only by a few. In the high-level Wing Chun, you just 'think' and it happens. If you don't connect to what he is talking about, you are not there yet.

@spawn314159 6 лет назад

he taught in the association/tong for over 50 years didnt he?:)

@MindfulWingChun 6 лет назад

I guess there is no hope for me then :( All the best to you in your WC journey brother!

@cedricloictuvaprendrecher8671 6 лет назад

If ppl didnt progress during 10 years whit CST, i guess do the siu lim tao alone whit no experience dont will be really usefull... The point is here you can be a master and teach after 2/3 years of practice... Its so fucking hard to find true martial artist and i'm not talking about internal WC...

@MindfulWingChun 6 лет назад

Ppl did progress in 10years. Very few ppl did cause the majority couldnt grasp what he was teaching in the last decade mainly because they didn't actually put in the hours. Yes there are people that think you can master something in 2-3years. Personally I think its impossible to master anything in 2-3years let alone something like Kung Fu which takes a lifetime :)

@sc0368 6 лет назад

Bullshit, I took two years wing chun it's too weak. I'm taking Muay Thai and BJJ.

@MindfulWingChun 6 лет назад

Each to their own my friend. Not all Wing Chun is the same. I have dedicated nearly 2 decades to this. I was a bouncer in Sydney and used it for real fighting and I'm still dedicating 4 hours a day to it. it works if you wanna talk about realistic fighting!

@evannicholls4784 3 года назад

@@MindfulWingChun well said

@SoniaGail 8 месяцев назад

Where ya proof. All your wc guy's loose in the kick boxing. All. And thats against kick boxers that are no good

@MindfulWingChun 8 месяцев назад

ok 👍🏻

@spawn314159 6 лет назад

sigung stated that 1 in 10k ppl could do it in fight. totaly amazing stuff. great video. i think the key to it is finding the 'emptyness' in each movement, its a long road, very long indeed, but we must enjoy the journey

@MindfulWingChun 6 лет назад

Tnx mate. Indeed!

@jedi77palmer 3 года назад

If this is true what is the usefulness of learning this, for lack of a better word, technique? If it is difficult to apply in combat is it actually worth the time needed to master it? I think about this a lot.

@jedi77palmer 3 года назад

@@MindfulWingChun see above please. 🙏

@Bevallalom Год назад

@@jedi77palmer people simply don't want to put hard work into their training. You think a pro boxer is not training hard, hours after hours every day? Same here. You must train hard and you can learn it. Example lot of people train boxing but only a few become very good at it. Same simply answer. Train hard.

@Storm_. 6 лет назад

I really liked this explanation, he went really in depth but also made it simple to understand.

@MindfulWingChun 6 лет назад

Cheers! Glad you liked it !

@hatefmonajemi 6 лет назад

Well, it’s simple to answer this question really: “you are doing it right when the moves are slow and even.” Do not put any brute force into moves. Just move your arms “slow and even”. As long as as it’s “slow and even (speed)”, you are doing it correctly. There is nothing else to worry about. “Slow and even”. Really, there is nothing else to correctedness, no mindfulness or anything like that, nothing! Just slow and even! If you think of what you are doing, you are not doing it correctly. If you go fast in some sections and slow in some other sections, you are doing it incorrectly. If you try to use your spine, you are doing it incorrectly. If you are trying to relax, you are doing it incorrectly. Remember: slow and even!

@MindfulWingChun 6 лет назад

Thank you for sharing!

@KingDariusMartial-dc2nr Год назад

Can you explain further? how do you progress from slow and even speed?

@alicesonluther1092 3 года назад

Thank you, Nima I’m 56 and just started your mindful Wing Chun videos

@MindfulWingChun 3 года назад

Great, hope you enjoy them Aliceson 🙏🏼

@G4mer_D4d 6 лет назад

Wow! again I have some thoughts rummaging through my head such as "I feel past pain, but my skeleton/spine connection is a ghost to my senses" and boom! I find it on a random video from you... I really feel your connected to something bigger. thanks again and "cheers".

@MindfulWingChun 5 лет назад

@NamenloseIdentitaet 6 лет назад

Thanks for uploading. It is good motivation for me to keep practicing! :)

@MindfulWingChun 6 лет назад

Glad it helped :)

@michaelstythax137 5 лет назад

Great way to learn is to not be happy you're learning. Be afraid, be as shitscared as possible. When you train ask yourself 'how will I this save my life?'

@MindfulWingChun 2 года назад

hmmm, interesting approach to your training. I personally wouldn't recommend doing that In Siu Nim Tao as our aim in SNT is to attain a particular state in the body and mind requiring deep relaxation and openness of the joints. However in application (i.e. chisau, dummy, techniques and sparring) I actually do ask myself a similar question, but I dont try and put myself intoi a fear state and rather retain a very calm and relaxed state. I put myself under pressure to allow my state to be challenged through sparring both in Wing Chun and BJJ

@kevinmak1781 Год назад

Hi nima, after being able to move with your mind, what should the next stage be? simply moving with the mind still doesn't mean there's power right?

@MindfulWingChun Год назад

In this case it does. Being able to move using Nim Tao means that there is power in the movements. Check out the main video on this channel where CST talks about the 3 stages of SNT which applies to all Wing Chun forms/techniques. Moving with the mind (Nim Tao) is the 2nd stage he talks about...

@kevinmak1781 Год назад

@@MindfulWingChun when sigung said the third stage of siu nim tao is about bringing out the chi, is that when the power of nim tao comes out or was seng implied on the second stage? Or is it when you seng it's the same thing as bringing out the chi?

@MindfulWingChun Год назад

@Kevin Mak There are different degrees to Seng (rising up through the spine) and in the advanced stages of it a flow of something, let's call it Chi or Nim Lik, can be felt rising up through the spine and filling the body and in the 3rd stage of SNT that flow is used to direct the movements

@kevinmak1781 Год назад

@@MindfulWingChun I got the online course and still find it difficult to seng on my own. My posture should be close to being balanced and i checked the taigung is there automatically. Any chance I can drop by at the gym to get the seng fixed?

@MindfulWingChun Год назад

@Kevin Mak mate if you are in HK you should be training at our school!! nothing can beat in person training. And if you have an annual or lifetime subscription of the online school you get 2 weeks unlimited training at our school for free every year.

@sureshjadhav8893 5 лет назад

Sifu Nima, english sub title please

@MindfulWingChun 5 лет назад

sorry man, It takes too much time to subtitle everything I put out, and right now I have trouble finding time to sleep enough and spend time with my kids and therefore do not have the time to subtitle videos.