How do the All Blacks bounce BACK from Pumas loss? | The Breakdown, August 11, 2024 

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It was an entertaining match. Argentina didn’t fold when they were behind, as they usually did in the past. New Zealand was a bit surprised by them fighting back. Few teams can do it. It’s great when the top teams lose. Demonstrates that others have a chance. Give credit where it is due, and respect your opponent. Then move on. Don’t listen to the armchair experts. They are always whining about something.

So now the All Blacks want to slow the game and have more scrums and kicking? This lot have been bleating for a free-flowing game, well that is what Argentina delivered and the All Blacks couldn't handle that !

Did I just hear JK say the ABs didn’t have enough SCRUMS? 😂😂😂😂

Pumas played a beautiful & Smart game of rugby. no more an easy team for us to beat!

It's not just the fact it was a loss, it's the fact that it was the most amount of points ever conceded on NZ soil. Letting the other side score 38 (38!) points is a serious issue

33:35 “SA got annoyed with SAANZAR and decided to leave” No no no no no, we didn’t decide to leave. We were forced out. NZ greed didn’t want anything to do with SA and we had no choice but to look elsewhere. Stop shifting blame

Wait wait wait John Kerwin suddenly wants a scrum now???. AM I HEARING THIS CORRECTLY?????😮

I don't think new Zealand underestimated Argentina, they were simply not good enough to beat them, simple as that.

Argentina are the ultimate rollercoaster team. They can barely turn up in some games, like Eng match in RWC....yet when their moons all align they have the firepower to beat anyone.

I remember John Kirwan was one of the ones suggesting that we let the Springboks leave Super Rugby 😂😂😂😂.

33:30 SA didn't "get annoyed and left" Super Rugby out of their own. was forced by New Zealand's unilateral decision to organise a new competition. They didnt even consult SA rugby URC = Best League

Felipe was attack coach at leinster under Stuart Lancaster. Argentina looking a bit leinster like. Quick ruck speed ball in hand move the point of attack all the time.

Jk wanting a scrum....who had that on their bingo card for 2024?😂😂😂

This Argentina side isn't like the ones from 20 yars ago, with one or two stars and a lot of attitude. It is genuinely a tier 1 squad with world class and very good players in every position. If we keep going this way and find consistency we could genuinely be WC contenders in 2027

I think we need to review ticket pricing for these games. Money is tight for a lot of people and if we want to pack out the stands, the seats need to be more accessible for the every day Kiwi.

Los pumas argentinos los únicos representantes dignos de toda América.mucha garra y corazón buen partido excelente.

The bottom line is Argentina were better....simple....better team usually wins, we can try and come up with every excuse under the sun, but i bet the Argentina coach is saying otherwise....good on ya Pumas💯💯💯💯too good for us. RIL❤️❤️❤️❤️🕊🕊🕊🕊Jonah

Jonah lomu was hands down the best that has ever played the game we loved him in South Africa

Don’t despair AB’s we at one point dropped to number 8 and we could not win a raffle, lost to you guys 57 - 0. Fans were burning their springbok jerseys. The secrete, hired a top coach, took politics out the team and made it merit based. We opened it up to international SA players and then we built a consistent team. Razor is a top coach, give it time. Nothing tops the Bok vs AB rivalry and long may that continue !!!

There are four international teams that can beat each other on their day. Ireland, FRance, NZ and SA then just below them there is Engeland, Argentina and Scotland, which can cause an upset now and again. Rugby has never been closer, SA and Ireland seem to have a slight edge at the moment.

Argies attacking formation was very hard to defend, they had layers of three to four deep around the edges and play there knowing they can throw the ball to anyone flat or several layers back to pick the holes. Love that keeping the ball in play but with real options . They must love passing short and all sorts.

Even as a South African, Jonah was my favourite player of all time. Unique in every way. A true gentle giant off the field also.

Well done Argentina 🇦🇷 👏

When will the NZ public stop be so one eyed! And give Argentina credit they deserve the win Lets not take anything away from them. All blacks are in a new learning process under new coaching staff

Argentina passion delivered , well done give it to them 💯

Jeffie came down to earth since last year on his attitude towards the Boks. JK is so inconsistent. One week he says the Boks are boring and need to run like the ABs, this week he says the ABs needs to slow down the ball and they miss South Africa in Superugby.

Kirwan when the All Blacks lose to the Springboks: Too many scrums, this is boring rugby Kirwan when the All Blacks lose to the Pumas: We need more scrums! It's like arguing with a child.

JAYKAY can spin anything. Like calling the world champions boring. He's like a leftie politician. Not recognising his own prejudice.

As an Irish fan im delighted for Argentina. Ireland paved the way for teams to get over there all blacks hoodoo. Now we the irish dont fear the all blacks.

As a Bok fan certain things crossed my mind : 1. Kirwan now bemoaning the fact that there was a lack of scrums. . 2. Don't underestimate a team with a lot of players in the French Top 14. 3. Scott Roberston is also on a learning curve .International Rugby is a different beast to Break dancing and Super Rugby. Give the boy a chance. 4. The Boks are going to be clinical and ruthless. Will this new AB team handle the?. We in SA never underestimate the ABs.

This wasn’t a shock loss. All blacks were there for the taking and Argentina obliged. Super rugby is a flawed competition and it doesn’t prepare the all blacks for test match rugby and they simply aren’t the force they used to be and haven’t been for a while now.

Usually, when a team like the Puma's go 20-8 down to the AB's they start to chase the scoreboard but that's not what happened on Saturday, they kept their shape and stuck to their gameplan unlike the AB's who resorted to crazy passes, wayward kicks and couldn't exit from their own 22.

JONAH will never be forgotten. R.I.P Big man💚💛🇿🇦

That was a very good segment on Jonah Lomu.

After that first game against England, I said it at the time, that I didn’t see any evolution from the time they were playing under Fozzie. Everyone was praising Razor as this Massiah who was going to turn their fortunes around but in the three home games they’ve played so far, they haven’t looked convincing. Beauden Barrett was largely the reason they didn’t lose those first two tests. I think Razor and his fan club now know that those 7 SR titles count for nothing on the international stage, test rugby is different gravy. He has a long way to go before he reaches the heights of Rassie and Andy Farrell. He will only get better if he is willing to ADAPT. Cause this ain’t Super rugby son 😂

JK is such a contradiction to himself😂😂

JK seriously needs to consider a career in politics. His uninformed flip flopping inconsistent hypocrisy makes him imminently qualified.

Esta es una victoria impresionante para nosotros. Ganar por 8, con record de anotaciones y en Wellington es muy superior a la anterior victoria en Christchurch, donde ganamos rezando un poco. Una clave esta vez fue el scrum (no usarlo) y algunas buenas patadas. Nosotros estabamos viendo los juegos Olímpicos asi que esto sorprendió bastante. Saludos desde Argentina. Siempre respeto a los A.B.

We missed the pumas and the SA sides in super rugby ! Both have big forwards ! Innovation ? ???

Pumas simply outplayed and outsmarted All Blacks at their own game. Difficult for All Blacks throughout the game when Pumas were playing them at their own game. Pumas so impressive, never give up attitude and big self belief. I think this caught the All Blacks offguard. When All Blacks scored a try Pumas answered with a try keeping the game tight. Well done Pumas to play so well against the All Blacks.

This show often feels to scripted. I feel they know what person is going to say.

these guys are the opposite of south african pundits who don’t think we’re in any way superior … thank goodness we don’t have any sir’s in SA …😂

As a South African, my 2 favourite players of all time Jonah Lomu and Jerry Collins. Both gone. 😢

That was a beautiful bit on Jonah i remember vividly watching him in South Africa as a boy.

Razor making history!

no more haka and you'll see an instant 10% increase in performance

For a country that produces so many of the world's best players and coaches, the quality of TV punditry in NZ is notably poor.

Lomu made that the sport is known all around the world… no one achieved anything similar… so the GOAT

See ye in November folks 😊🇮🇪

Let's face it - anyone can roll the All Blacks these days.

In reality, it could oh so easily have been 2 - 0 England as well. Wonder if Argentina can back this up now

Jonah Lomu my idol at school even got the haircut, loved that guy 😢. True legend

That was a yellow card all day, Blackadder came forward into the tackle his shoulder clearly makes contact with the players head, Blackadder went backwards because he was too high and the Argentinian player weighs 137kgs v 111kgs - very lucky

SA got annoyed because of NZRFU refusal to negotiate around the travel and revenue distribution. The fact is that SA brought in 60% of the revenue to SANZAR and only got 35%. You can see the control and management of the powers that be in NZ rugby in the last round of battle with the players union............huge issues. Look in the mirror boys be honest with yourselves. Irrelevant of all of this the All Blacks will NEVER EVER be taken lightly by South Africa. We need a strong Aussie and strong AB team. Well done to the Argies superb fighters. Its such a great game.

I'm not from NZ (Irish) but I really enjoy this show- the panel is superb and they're much more open-minded than the impression one sometimes gets of Kiwis.

It’s seriously time to have a conversation about NZ and whether they deserve to stay in the rugby championship. Can we say they really deserve to play in that tournament when someone like Fiji could have a chance?

Most Argentinians play in Europe and it shows. The club level there is higher than SRP so the the step up to test rugby is not as big as it is for our players. They play crunch games every week. Euro Cup games, working to get into the playoffs or fighting to avoid relegation. Every week , it's on. Like it or not, we need to let go of the 'you have to play in NZ' rule. Players develop when they play at the top level every week and ours don't. Players of every test side except us and to an extent, Australia, all play in the best comps. And this Argentina side lost to a French development side with over 10 players younger than 22...... Not looking forward to the game in Paris when France are at full strength.

A lot of empty seats over at the "sold out" Suncorp stadium. Broadcast footage doesn't lie.

They will be fine. Billy Proctor, Cortez Ratima, Bauden at 10 Will Jordan on the back.

I don't have an issue with A.Gardner not giving Blackadder a yellow however it needs to be consistent across the board. You can't have one Ref call it a penalty and others giving a card and a review for head contact. The facts are clear every tackle is a rugby is a collision.

Estimados amigos Kiwis, Aussies y Bafana Bafana fans. Para nosotros es un honor jugar en el viejo Tres Naciones. No tienen idea de lo fabuloso que es jugar con ustedes. Gracias !!! por permitirnos participar, por aceptarnos, por integrarnos. Gracias !!!! Amo el Super Rugby !!! Desde niños mirabamos el Tres Naciones por television y soñabamos ver algun dia a nuestros amateus Pumas. Imaginen ustedes lo que es para nosotros poder ganarle a los miticos AB, casi semidioses en la mismisima Wellington !!!! Estamos soñando ór segunda vez. Y si bien nuestros hermanos mayores por historia son los sudafricanos, . . . quienes le pusieron PUMAS a nuestra selección (lean la historia en wikipedia, y tambien respecto a Hugo Porta), los dioses del rugby siempre fueron los AB, los invencibles, con su HAKA, todos de negros, gigantes, imponentes. Estamos muy felices solo por estar. Luego por jugar bien. Y por ultimo ganar en el olimpo del rugby, Wellington.

I want to make it clear first of all that the All Blacks and Springboks are above the rest, when he talks about the dominance of the scrum, John Kirwan should remember that the scrum of Argentina until the 1995 World Cup was dominant, he almost lost in 1985 in a 18-18 draw and when Los Pumas went back they knocked him out and the match ended, after the 2003 World Cup they changed the rules of the scrum and it harmed Argentina, we must remember that they took Argentine pillars to Australia, France, England and even South Africa to show them how we formed and the technique we used, if he doesn't admit it he's lying.

I love the we are rebuilding excuse...every team are rebuilding mate.

Last year JK wanted less scrums in the game because the springboks were dominating. Now he wants them so he can dominate the Pumas. This guy is unreal

Wtf is going on with Kirwin's specs? Is it just me or are they getting bigger every season...

From Namibia and a springboks supporter..i love the show and the hilarious feud between jk and mills 😅

G’day from Brisbane. I was stunned by the ABs performance but hoping the game will change for the better in next matchup.

Sir John Clown. I'm glad you think Argentina "deserved to win." That always happens when you out point your opponent

Argentina fully deserved the win. NZ are still a work in progress unfortunately. Watched the game in Bali and the result was still the same. Looking forward to the Eden Park Test. Go ABs 🖤🖤🖤

I am glad to admit I was wrong about this coach. He still has lots to learn. Get some of the blues forwards in there.

Under Steve Hansen and Ian Foster, New Zealand was typically amazing one week and a bit off the next. You never wanted to play the All Blacks after they lost the week before, even under Foster. But I'm not 100% sure the new coaching staff are ready for international level. We will hopefully get a better idea this weekend.

Why do people always talk about the size of the Sprinboks being so big. Ireland had a bigger pack than SA in the tour, SA are regularly lower than the opposition pack weight. It is more than just size, they are not bigger than the opposition.

All Blacks don't have any enforcers

HEADS UP BOYS !!GO THE MIGHTY ABs 🔥🔥🔥COME AGAIN NEXT WEEK ALL BLACKS 4EVA BABY!!!!! 🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤

This is the first time I've seen any analyst, ex player or Kiwi coach so complimentary of the Springboks. I feel as though if AB's adopt/copy the Irish attacking shape; they'll master it, and then do it better than Ireland because of the flair that comes from the AB's players.

Sir JW, underestimating the Pumas again?? I still remember you wearing the pumas jersey a couple of years ago…

Actually an enjoyable assessment of the weekend. Wish Super rugby world come back, always loved watching the morning rugby

A great segment on Jonah Lomu 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👍❤️

We love , we respect all AB teams but we are in other positions comparing 5 years ago,

Vamos Los Pumas !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well done Argentina! Should definitely have been played in Hamilton. Just another head scratching decision from Mark Robinson and NZRU.

Jonah was awesome. Couldn’t score v SA in the ‘95 final though 😊

Mils "We have the players" Na Mils... we just don't.

The bleating is loud - as one would expect from NZ. Wonderful country as it is. Things always take time to develop. You can’t change things quickly in a fundamental manner. The loss of two underrated but ‘GOAT’ locks should not be ignored.

The TMO decisions are very inconsistent, that hit was red when SA played Portugal... Ruins peoples careers

Ability to adapt the game plan seems to be an issue. Also Ardie leads by example and is a great warrior, but the captain needs to be a good communicator and calm things down, I am not sure he is that type of captain? I could be wrong.

AB teams of the Carter era would not allow the Pumas to get a win like that. This AB team has dropped in standard and that should be worrying for them

sorry AB's prepare to go 0-2 the Pumas are at a new level now in every respect - and then enjoy your time in S Africa ;)

Scrums ! in this game Vs Argies , you needed someone to say hey , the scoreboard is swapping continuously , we need change it up , call for a scrum , scrums came to late . Cmon ABs you know this , why are you movin away from traditional stretegies thats always been part of the game. Id also say its possibly time to bring in the other SA franchises Cheetahs , Pumas, Qriquas, and Argies into Super Rugby , you wont get the current Boks but you'll get the future and if you didn't notice the whole of Europe , scrums and the front pack is colossal.

Pumas got beaten at home a few weeks ago by a French team that had no players in their starting 24 from last years World Cup. I think the ABs are way off the pace.

Although a small thing, I would like each player to better evaluate if after having run successfully, taking the ball to the ground rather than a low success pass.

Dance now, Dance now!! Baila ahora, baila ahora!!

Super Rugby is not the right preparation for International rugby. And who's the King of Super Rugby?

There are bound to be some teething issues with a new coach. No need to worry yet, ABs are not tier two, I expect them to complete with the top teams in the near future

I felt the Argies were on the front foot. Their transitional play was very strong and they kept the AB's under pressure. However, the AB's had plenty of opportunities to win the game late on but just weren't buttoned up enough in critical moments. For example, giving up a scrum penalty on the Argentinian's 22 with 5 minutes to go. Giving them an easy exit.

Pumas were hungry! ABs were not and that is what I always remember about the ABs they were hungry to win and when they were down they were apoplectic to cross that line! No scrums was an issue and it shows what the game would be like if they got rid of scrums. It was like a whole bunch of NFL plays Horrible!

I dont know how to feel about the boks being favourites to win, new territory for us 😂😂 let’s hope the boys deliver to all the hype. 🇿🇦

I don't hear anyone mention Contepomi... Excellent coach....

Fan from SA. One game does not mean you forgot how to play Rugby. All teams are on a new evolution, building towards 2027. Remember my beloved Boks also lost 1-1 just a month ago against Ireland. On any given day any team can get one over you. What TRC needs is to include Fiji and Japan with a possible relegation system to allow Uruguay in or another Southern Hemisphere team in. Just my opinion.