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How do you tune your suspension? Motorcycle Suspension Setup
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@noclosecoasters9903 Год назад

Ok, this has to be the best, most straightforward, explanation of what is going on with suspension adjustments I've ever seen. Great video.

@highlandcycles Год назад

Glad you liked it!

@ewa2929 2 года назад

suspension and carbs are two of the most difficult things to set up being they often dont have one size fits all.You do a great job for those of us that are looking for advise.Being you are a small shop with a big network behind you you cant help but give people a great product.

@highlandcycles 2 года назад

Thanks for the kind words.

@MyFlipfiles 2 года назад

Hey brother thank you for taking the time to make this video and explain all the little nuances of how the suspension really works I know it’s voodoo to the common folk but you did a great job… we appreciate it.

@highlandcycles 2 года назад

Thanks

@billturner1240 Год назад

Best video on the subject I've seen yet

@highlandcycles Год назад

Thank you

@Oldrush Год назад

Thanks for this video. It affirmed what I know and helped me figure out what the high speed setting is doing. I’ve never really messed with that because I’ve always been a trail rider and figured “high speed” isn’t coming into play. So thank you again. Wish I was closer to your shop.

@highlandcycles Год назад

Great to hear

@brantmcfarland517 2 года назад

You nailed it right on the head. There are so mini people out there that don’t have there suspension tuned for the Weight and skill level. If your some what fast without tuning you will be way faster with tuned suspension. Just take it to Highland Cycles and let Morgan make you faster. Thanks for sharing my friend.

@highlandcycles 2 года назад

Thank you so much

@brantmcfarland517 2 года назад

@@highlandcycles got you a little PR. Lol

@MitchOfCanada 2 года назад

just got my shock serviced at 80hr, oh man felt so good after 21 sherco 2502stroke. 150lbs stock springs. KYB killin it

@highlandcycles 2 года назад

It’s crazy how good a well serviced shock feels.

@user-wz4ei2iu6w Год назад

Cool. I have ConeValve/Traxx suspension on my '19 300 XC-W 6 Days. Absolutely magical performance. Great videos. BTW, I'll be watching your videos to determine if I want to add a 2024 300 XC-W TBI to my stable next year.

@andrewmarshall360 2 года назад

I don’t know anything about suspension setting’s. However one thing I do know it does come down to a riders preference and skill level. Not to mention the terrain. Sometimes you can help certain bikes with a geometry adjustment that compliments the suspension. Offset triple clamps, gearing, chain length how far back the rear axle is located in the swing arm affects more. Any modern bike has fairly decent suspension , unless you are E.T. He’s doing fairly good by just pinning it.

@jamesg5059 2 года назад

Thank you for taking the time to make these videos. You've got a great laidback everyman style of delivery that makes the info easy to absorb. Kudos man!

@highlandcycles 2 года назад

Thanks so much

@fulllocke 2 месяца назад

Great video, thanks bloke 👌

@Shelby8371 Год назад

Morgan is a God! Thank you for all your knowledge and sharing it. You rule sir

@highlandcycles Год назад

Hahah. Thanks.

@justindwyer3832 Год назад

Probably the most useful video I've ever seen on RU-vid! Excited to dial in my bike this weekend. Thank you sir!

@highlandcycles Год назад

Great to hear!

@robsonenduro3316 Год назад

if you o-ring goes all the way down on forks you need to add preload first or change springs :)

@highlandcycles Год назад

Unless your sag numbers are correct. Then it’s a damping issue

@funbiz99 Год назад

Great vid lots of good information! I was under the impression that lets say the compression clickers were only effective in the 1st part of the stroke then the valving takes over controlling the oil? Also you didn't mention how effective it is to adjust oil levels which control the amount of compressed air in the forks. Im thinking a large % of problems for average riders not all can be fixed with oil levels?

@highlandcycles Год назад

Oil level is super important but I’m not a big fan of trying to “fix” suspension problems with it. It is effectively like changing spring rates and I like to get that right with the spring. As far as the clickers, they are controlling the bypass of oil which has effect for the whole stroke.

@husaislander4838 2 года назад

good job explaining

@highlandcycles 2 года назад

Thanks

@hughiemaceachern5282 6 месяцев назад

Dust is the best indicator

@nolancutler1881 3 месяца назад

2022 KTM SX-E5 spring for 74lbs rider?

@jeremywaters1919 2 года назад

Thanks man !

@highlandcycles 2 года назад

You bet

@SimplifiedTruth Год назад

Hey thanks just a good plain old a b c's 1,2,3 explanation in plain simple language!! Other vids try and get too technical sometimes.

@highlandcycles Год назад

Thanks

@jeremyfernandez7237 2 года назад

Thank you 🤙

@highlandcycles 2 года назад

You bet

@keithmcqueen7666 2 года назад

Great info!🤘

@highlandcycles 2 года назад

Sweet

@ghost_sierra1600 3 месяца назад

My gas gas 125 says " turn clockwise to increase damping. Turn counter clockwise to reduce. Is this video for me?? Confused

@highlandcycles 3 месяца назад

Yes. Righty tighty slows it down and vice versa

@chalo212 Год назад

I didnt find the part where it explains... I have 100mm of travel, I would like 103-105... i should rotate it anti clock wise, correct? And to reduce SAG (Say I wanted 95mm) I would rotate it clockwise?

@highlandcycles Год назад

Loosen spring for more sag. Tighten for less

@johnmccool7551 Год назад

Good stuff now crack a beer

@hughiemaceachern5282 6 месяцев назад

I go by dust marks lol

@gw4717 Год назад

So I had someone set up my kx 450f 2013 but now it seems every jump I hit my bike just kicks the back out to the left everytime now driving me crazy what should I do for that high speed?

@nickarmstrong2904 Год назад

I got a kx450 2013 as well, on the shock I run 100mm sag, 1 3/4 turns out on hi speed, 10 clicks out low speed, rebound 14 clicks out. Forks 38psi, compression 11 clicks out rebound 19 clicks out.

@nickarmstrong2904 Год назад

I got a kx450 2013 as well, on the shock I run 100mm sag, 1 3/4 turns out on hi speed, 10 clicks out low speed, rebound 14 clicks out. Forks 38psi, compression 11 clicks out rebound 19 clicks out.

@leec48s45 Год назад

Is the 23" shock compatible with a 22' year springs? I need a 5.4

@highlandcycles Год назад

Yes and no. The new spring is a 240 and you can squeeze a 260 (which is the old spring) on it if it’s truly a 260 or a little shorter. If it’s longer then you can’t

@mikebarnato7632 2 года назад

🤪🤣 Must’ve been bad weather or you would’ve been riding👍🔥🤣😇🤔click click 🤨

@highlandcycles 2 года назад

Totally. It was muddy

@riders.oregon4474 2 года назад

Set my suspension up at a moto track, it felt great. Next weekend raced a woods race without changing it. It felt like I was riding a jackhammer.

@mikeburnett6222 Год назад

I have found that if I'm riding multiple types of riding, with the same bike (MX, XC or trail) I keep a log and write all settings down for each type. Then when I go to that type, reset all clickers to what I liked there last time.

@husky7016 5 месяцев назад

we all are dealing with sophisticated hydraulic-systems, aka fork and shock. everybody tries to set his (once set') hydraulics to variable circumstances. it's always a compromise... perhaps one day we will have regulated, sensitive hydraulics on our offroad-bikes, to be able to ride motocross, enduro and rally with the same hydraulics...

@barswapmedia 2 года назад

A tip I learned from Joe Shedron, If you feel like your shock rebound is not slowing down with the clickers it can be your high speed compression is to stiff. The lack of compression feels like fast rebound because it kicks you in a similar way.

@highlandcycles 2 года назад

Great info!

@kenstutzman9116 Год назад

Joe's Is the man My best friend

@barswapmedia Год назад

@@kenstutzman9116 that's awesome, I raced with Joey as a kid and worked with the Joe for a bit at Moose racing back when Pete Dennison owned the company.

@JB-th4bx 2 года назад

Thanks for the last but about the rear spring and rebound. I'm 195 lbs and I went up on my spring rate, but I my rebound was so fast I thought my shock was blown. I had to slow the rebound all the way down. Now it makes sense why I had to do that.

@dmumladze 4 месяца назад

Local suspension shop says they can machine my existing valves and make it better. Anyone has such experience and can you tell me if this kind of mod can work?

@highlandcycles 4 месяца назад

It can but that’s an old school thing. Modern pistons are good.

@derikdevasconcelos6709 21 день назад

What's your free and static sag setting on your new 300xc?

@highlandcycles 21 день назад

Static is 30mm. Rider is 105

@mmmx5109 Год назад

One of the best suspension videos I’ve seen. Very informative with simple easy to understand analogies. I got several tips from this video to go try on my bike today with confidence now. Thanks for the video brotha 🤙

@highlandcycles Год назад

Stoked you liked it

@kirkdunn1379 8 месяцев назад

Isnt it opposite ? If you have no static sag but 100mm of race the spring is too stiff, and vice versa on 50-60mm static and 100mm race

@highlandcycles 8 месяцев назад

No. I know it seems that way. But to have correct rider sag and no static it means you had to turn the preload too much and therefore the spring is to soft

@ericrogner2461 23 дня назад

Your just the greatest guy in the world God bless you and family hope to meet you some day

@highlandcycles 23 дня назад

Thanks n

@reda185 3 месяца назад

Excellent video. It provides free valuable information thank you. can you help me with the following problem I have a 1994 RM 250 and i have noticed that my damper rod doesn’t come out completely and it’s hard to pull out what should be my first place to look?

@highlandcycles 3 месяца назад

I don’t know those bikes well.

@reda185 3 месяца назад

Thank you for taking the time

@billsharko3007 4 месяца назад

I just picked up my new 2024 Yamaha WR450 a couple of days ago. The suspension seams pretty stiff what weight riders are these stock bike set up for? I trail ride old logging roads and dual tracks in far NE Wisconsin. I am around 170 pounds ready to ride and also a retired old fart. Thanks

@highlandcycles 4 месяца назад

Generally they are setup for around 175lbs so you’re right in there. I’d ride it a bit and let things break in.

@billsharko3007 4 месяца назад

Thank You @@highlandcycles

@kevinm.n.5158 Месяц назад

Just by the way he talks about this stuff, you know he knows his shit 👌🏻

@highlandcycles Месяц назад

❤️

@c-note4146 2 года назад

Yeah I’m curious, what to do with a preload adjuster like on the Sachs forks for Beta

@highlandcycles 2 года назад

You can use it just like the shock. In theory you should be setting the sag in the front too. It’s just that most forks don’t have the adjustment b

@c-note4146 2 года назад

@@highlandcycles I hear that, but my confusion lies with the easily obtainable information for the rear and it’s setting for static and race but almost no information on front preload settings, not that I’ve been able to find

@Derek-qd3lx 4 месяца назад

So, i bought a 2024 KX450 2 weeks ago. Im new to the suspension setup. My sag is guaranteed to be off cause i weigh 150, and the bike was set for 165 to 180. Coming into a cor er, the front end knifes alot and i feel like im about to be thrown off. I'm just looking for a little info on what to change for my weight besides the sag.

@highlandcycles 4 месяца назад

Get the right springs first

@Derek-qd3lx 4 месяца назад

@@highlandcycles could I not lower compression on the front end and set my sag alittle lower? Maybe decrease rebound ?

@wayno23 2 месяца назад

If it's knifing the you need to take weight of the front , so push the fork tubes further down the triple clamps.

@scottphillips445 Год назад

Suspension is like jetting. You should write down your settings for the area you are riding and catalog as much information as possible. For example, going from Washougal to mountain view means a change in clickers and jetting. Suspension tuning is extremely time consuming. You should only adjust 1 clicker at a time until you have base settings and then you can test multiple settings. Every time you straddle your saddle you are testing something. My 1st revalve experience was Paul thedes race tech back in 1988. It was money well spent. If you buy a bike you should have a Suspension modification budget

@Aquabanditos 5 месяцев назад

This helped a ton thanks m8🤙🏻

@OversizedEnduroGuy 5 месяцев назад

Hey mate going mad here haha Got a 06 525 I can't seem to find the com adjuster on the bottom of the forks can see the + and - but nowhere to adjust am I blind or retarted where is it 😊😂

@highlandcycles 5 месяцев назад

Should be a flat blade in the middle

@OversizedEnduroGuy 5 месяцев назад

Stupid me didn't realise the cap comes off 🤣 been getting more serious about enduro riding and need the front to stop washing out as much, never touched suspension before Thanks mate muchly appreciated

@highlandcycles 5 месяцев назад

@@OversizedEnduroGuy 🤣😂

@Andy-wo9bm Год назад

I was originally thinking changing a spring rate would not necessarily change the rebound dampening/speed because it’s relative to the counterforce of the rider weight, but it certainly makes sense that it WOULD change because we’re talking about when the bike is essentially periodically de-weighted between bump hits or jumping. Very good info!

@Ozfreerider_adventures Год назад

When you talk about rebound too fast and kicking rear at 16:35 . I’ve found a lot of the time a faster rebound will only kick you like that if compression is too soft . Because it gets down low in stoke and then springs right back . Firming up compression can eliminate this without even touching the rebound . I’d you have a soft rear and then slow rebound down it will feel good on larger slow speed bumps but then higher speed it will squat , deflect and feel super harsh ! Soft forks and firm rear will give you that kick too . There’s so many things that can be happening it can get so confusing 🤨

@highlandcycles Год назад

It can be so many things. You are right. A lot of the time I will slow the high speed comp down and help the kicking.

@jondoe4667 2 года назад

I like my sag a little taller in the back to keep weight on the front tire and make the bike turn better. But I'm on a 15 crf250r and it needs all the help it can get turning.

@richardhartley1705 2 года назад

You explained suspension settings really well my front fork indicators are around 2inch from the bottom most of time but do suffer with wash out on front end a lot of the time thought my rebound was about right too will check settings again thank you👍

@highlandcycles 2 года назад

Right on

@rustythompson8209 5 месяцев назад

very well explained. i have been searching for any video to explain suspension as well as you have. I have 2007 YZ250F and have struggled some with figuring out my set up... desert, high speed whoops, 4th and 5th gear and slow rollers in sand mostly 3th and 4th gear. Single track trail slow 1st and 2nd gear and rocky hill sections, and some hill climbs with more speed 3rd and drop to 2nd gear. I am curious to know if have particular area terrain (So. Calif ... Kennedy Meadows, Dove Springs-Jawbone Canyon, Texas Canyon,) settings for suspension similar to knowing tracks and conditions and tuning suspension accordingly, per rider info and riding style??

@highlandcycles 5 месяцев назад

Not sure. I would start with compression 10 out and rebound 13 out front and rear. High speed 1.5 out

@tristaw47 7 месяцев назад

Best suspension vid I've come across. Hands down. Explained perfectly and made so much sense.. needed to adjust my 450 to suit a rider 30kgs lighter. So this is huge for me thanks so much.

@highlandcycles 7 месяцев назад

Glad it helped!

@Joncarver226 7 месяцев назад

Downloaded and saved so I can easily revert back while I'm in the shop, THANK YOU FOR THIS!

@highlandcycles 7 месяцев назад

Glad I could help!

@bradl45 Год назад

I've watched again( at least 5 other times too), HUGE THANK YOU for making this. I'm still working on stopping, and not tipping over!

@highlandcycles Год назад

You got this!

@DH-mf2lv 8 месяцев назад

Do you know if the stance can be lowered on a 1979 Yamaha YZ250. I would like for it to sit a little lower. Any help would be appreciated.

@highlandcycles 8 месяцев назад

I don’t know much about those bikes. It I’m sure it can be done.

@love2ride0 Год назад

If you're in the woods going over logs in the rear end of the bike is smacking you in the butt back your high-speed off to about two and a half turns especially if you're hitting good size logs

@dinglesdingler1211 Год назад

What no one says: your springs and valving share the force of impact. Heavier springs take up more energy from the impacts meaning the damping circuits have less influence on overall behavior. Also, the clickers only control the damping from the orifice. The valve stack handles everything else. Think about how the needle valve controls the mid 50% of jetting but also overlaps the main jets range of effectiveness. It all overlaps. Clickers = pilot jet, valving = needle and main jet in carb.

@nblracer253 Год назад

Awesome video can't wait to make some adjustments based off your suggestions. I know you use springs in the forks but what about those who still run air? What psi do you suggest for desert racing for a 160lb B rider. Also whats your thoughts about adding fork oil instead of psi for bottoming resistance?

@highlandcycles Год назад

I would run around 135psi and at your weight, a few more psi won't make anything worse. If you were heavier and needing to run over 160psi I would recommend adding oil because the air forks get stickier the more air you add.

@nblracer253 Год назад

Thanks for the quick response. I'm up to 161psi right now to prevent bottoming out. I'll try another 10ccs of 4w and lower psi.

@highlandcycles Год назад

@@nblracer253 yeah, try that and you might want to slow the compression damping down too.

@seamarsh3756 Год назад

If you are finishing every ride with 3-4" inches on unused travel on yz sss is that something that needs to be addressed or more a kayaba thing? Clickers make no difference even fully out, also dropped 40ml of oil.. zero change in travel used. Not happy with forks can never find Goldilocks setting.. maybe spring rate to high?

@highlandcycles Год назад

That is too much left on the table. Could be springs.

@hello-dirt 2 года назад

My newest reference video. Though my brand is different, I think all our dials are the same and this is going to help A LOT! Thanks again Morgan.

@highlandcycles 2 года назад

Awesome. Yes the controls are all the same.

@CrashHardEnduro Год назад

On the rear shock, when you say you line the high speed in 2 turns and the slow speed out a few clicks, where are you starting? The middle? Or the far end one way or the other?

@highlandcycles Год назад

On all suspension settings you start from turned all the way in. So righty tighty till it stops and then back it out.

@Smiling_mike 2 года назад

Super sweet, glad to see this!

@highlandcycles 2 года назад

Hope it helps

@MikeRay1978 Год назад

I wish I could put all this into practice. Lol.

@Jakesnyderinthedirtyfivethirty 10 месяцев назад

I enjoy your videos and god bless you for your time and i have a couple questions i hope you could help me out till i raise enough funds to have my stuff revalved im a big dude 270 ride a 2017 ktm 300xc with air forks set to racetech psi recommend psi and rear spring to..any recommendations for clicker settings until i can have it revalved to help get me riding my dirtbike more!!mostly 3rd gear rocky rooty norcal woods riding with some technical slow jazz mixed in

@highlandcycles 10 месяцев назад

I would start with compression at 10 out and rebound at 5 out and see how that is. Front and rear the same. Oh and high speed 1 out.

@Jakesnyderinthedirtyfivethirty 10 месяцев назад

@@highlandcycles thank you man I appreciate you taking time to help me out and I just wanted to say I really enjoy your gospel on 2 wheels videos and it's sure funny how certain things come into life when your trying to become a better Christian! thank you again and God bless

@ffmedic710 Год назад

Fly fishing and dirtbikes…… I’m on the wrong effin coast ! Also, amazing and super informative video I feel like I learned a ton!

@highlandcycles Год назад

Awesome!!

@terryberner Год назад

Hi Morgan love the video Is it possible to do a new one with the air fork and rear bladder if any different to stock thanks

@highlandcycles Год назад

The tuning is the same.

@timothyshuls Год назад

Great video! You have a way of explaining and using example situations that I’ve never seen before. Keep up the good work! 👍 Anyway. Whatever. DIRT BIKES!!

@highlandcycles Год назад

Thank you! 😃

@polyanthemos Год назад

Thanks Morgan. Enjoy your down to earth videos. Being an Aussie I can relate to your whackyness. Keep up the great.

@highlandcycles Год назад

Thanks

@TheGhostsx 9 месяцев назад

Awesome! Thanks! 🇵🇹

@jaxcamino9356 Год назад

Please for a bit of a help i ha e a kxf450 i m 140kg 6.2 i put racetech srsp652666 6.6kg spring on it can you pls help me with numbers to make it right.Thank you

@jaredpack9795 Год назад

What would happen if you were to make a piston out of tungsten

@highlandcycles Год назад

No idea. Does it not expand?

@studog4000 2 года назад

This is going to help a lot of people mate, good job!!

@highlandcycles 2 года назад

Thanks so much

@jondoe4667 2 года назад

I like that you say if it feels good enough for your riding style and skill than don't touch it. I'm a big guy so I have to have my suspension sprung for me for it to work properly. But most the suspension guys I've met encourage everyone to get theirs done weather it will actually make a difference for that person or not.

@highlandcycles 2 года назад

Yeah, I hate that. People need to just ride their bikes. If you can afford it and you want the most out of your bike then by all means.

@thomastjg53 Год назад

What would you adjust if the rear what’s to slid out went turning , it does it on flat and in shallow ruts too. I tried faster rebound and more compression helped some but still what’s to slid out . I did not do anything with the hi speed set at 1 1/2 out ?

@highlandcycles Год назад

Try going to 1 out on HS

@gw4717 Год назад

And 2013 kx450f I don't know anything about air forks 😂

@HowToGetMoreMetal Год назад

Great explanation! Thanks

@scottphillips445 Год назад

What brand of springs do you endorse?

@highlandcycles Год назад

Q or CSR

@WardEnduro Год назад

Awesome video, thanks for the info!

@highlandcycles Год назад

You bet. Hope it helps

@dangrenier6040 Год назад

What if you are only 135 lbs ...

@highlandcycles Год назад

You need lighter springs

@enduro-parts-aus Год назад

Quick question , i have been trying to get my tx300 xact shock to work well on trails with no luck any tips?

@highlandcycles Год назад

Start with getting the right spring for your weight. Then, I personally really like the bladder conversion for the reservoir. It really helps with small bump compliance. Not necessary but a good upgrade for not a ton of money. Then from there I’d set in in the “comfort” settings from KTM and start tuning out on the trail. Hope that helps

@enduro-parts-aus Год назад

@@highlandcycles cheers i have installed the correct springs , was considering the bladder conversion also , but the shock just feels dead no matter what setting i put it on But i will try comfort setting and tune from there 👍🏻

@highlandcycles Год назад

@@enduro-parts-aus start there. I love the bladder personally.

@edmundovieira2541 2 года назад

First ...thanks a lot ... But what about the pressure on the blader of rear shock? It makes a lot difference depending on how much pressure we put in... Where can i find the stock pressure for dirt bikes?

@highlandcycles 2 года назад

It does make a difference but I don't include that here because it takes having a nitrogen setup and most people don't. To find the stock amount for your bike you might have to get a shop manual or you can ask your local suspension tuner. If you email me I can tell you what we recommend. morgan@highland-cycles.com

@my-max-media7621 Год назад

Typically it's around 135psi

@nathanroberts4251 7 месяцев назад

Thanks

@sunbud63 2 года назад

Ah,suspension...one of the mysteries of the universe, sorta like black holes, gravity wells, space time continuum and light speed all combined to propel oneself in a forward direction without total annihilation and spreading ones atoms into the cold abyss. Looks like I should just bring my bike in to you! I'll be talking with you in the near future about proper valving and spring setup.

@highlandcycles 2 года назад

Hahaha, Sounds good!

@Mkruzer Год назад

Like a black art. I'm gonna have to sacrifice a tire by throwing it off a jump to satisfy the suspension gods.

@joshbearden1636 8 месяцев назад

All you did was talk. This video did nothing to help.

@highlandcycles 8 месяцев назад

Huh, lots of people have said the opposite. Sorry to disappoint. Have a good day

@joshbearden1636 8 месяцев назад

@@highlandcycles literally just talked….actually show what you’re talking about

@poorwhiteboy6521 Год назад

Can I ask if your seat is the soft model. And how is it for comfort ? I got a Enduro engineering seat soft it's pretty good. But might want to try the seat you have as well. Is it still good after 3 hours or more of riding ?

@highlandcycles Год назад

It is the soft one. I love it but it’s not super comfy. I don’t sit on it much.

@my-max-media7621 Год назад

I picked up the Soft EE seat and wow it if amazing. Has helped my sitting ars feel so connected to the bike now without killing my back.

@human1513 Год назад

Can you do one about air forks like on a KTM for example?

@highlandcycles Год назад

Yeah.

@thomasmattie2081 Год назад

I'm fifty-nine had a blood clot in my head lost weight and I'm short had my seat off for 3 years to ride my 4 yr old son put back on felt super short super old.Now I know I can set my sag and feel like I'm 52 ! Thank you you did a great job explaining to a guy that is smart enough to know he's Dumb