Check out the crowd on 0:55 for the first clean of Lu Xiaojun in his junior world championship as a -69: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-0TklQ40Bm-g.html
Power words are real. My power word is WHOIP. It actually only comes out if my technique is good and I use a lot of power. It's the sign of a good clean.
This makes you wonder about Liao hui in 2015. He weighed 73.72 kg and snatched 170 and did clean and almost jerk 211. I wonder what lifts he would would have done if his class was 73kg and not 69kg.
so strong! watching so many different clips of him in this video also emphasized that crazy muscle imbalance he has in his legs. also, lu announcing today he is training for Paris probably means he is going to battle shi for the 73kg spot - should be super interesting
In fact, there are videos on Chinese websites of him training to pull 280 kilograms hard, and it looks like he can go even higher to 290 kilograms. Of course weightlifters rarely push themselves to their limit weight, which makes little sense.
Hearing Seb say that an athlete’s snatch grip dead lift should be similar to their front squat really makes me feel how biased I am towards the dead lift 😂
I'd say up to 10% is normal, assuming you've been at it for a while. Mine is like like 2% over (170 to 172.5,) though my proportions make for terrible pulls.
@@christopherroberts2500 hmm how would this ratio apply to a novice with a 240kg conventional deadlift, after a beltless 215kg first attempt, and another beltless 225kg second attempt, because they didn't notice they were beltless at all. would a 225kg front squat be completely absurd expectations, or is it quite standard?
Is his torso really that long though? Compared to the length of his legs, femurs, it is above the average, but to say that he has _such_ a long lever is an overstatement imo, just compare his head to his torso for example ....
exactly, that's my only point of disagreement here - in the grand scheme of people who do weightlifting, sure he might have slightly short femur to torso ratio, but for the class he competes in he is neither short nor short-legged, which is one of the reasons why I think his snatch is so huge compared to the rest in the field. I also wish you guys showed him stand under the rim and grab it without taking any steps too - this is certainly another reason he is able to power so much. Lastly, the "Chinese style", if you will, of cleans (always a high contact point) also is slightly favorable to power cleaning.
@@MaestroJericho Pulling strenght is also a sign yes, and compare the clean starting position with Tian Tao, it's very evident there he's got longer legs to torso ratio
I think you have missed his 194 power clean video... it was an internal chinese team competition. He did 194 power clean & jerk. And also his best c&j (in video at least) i think it is 205
Chinese lifters tend to contact at hips w/ clean as opposed to lifters from everywhere else in the world where they contact at mid thigh… Chinese clean technique: higher contact point higher the bar goes !
@@lukeg378 for most lifters yes, but Chinese lifters tend to bend arms or widen grip/stance to hit that high power point, if they can't hit it by default. Just look at Shi as an example.
Great insights! Powercleaning on his opening lift in the worlds is definitely a flex move. I'm curious to know what would be another sports equivalent of that? The only thing I can think of is Babe Ruth calling his shot during the 1932 World Series. Love the duo BTW.
@@fmls8266 While I agree with you that scoring against a top tier goalie such as Oliver Khan would be impressive, I don't believe it would be a flex move. What Shi did was a statement move as if to say to the field that everyone is beneath him and no one can touch him. Muhamad Ali standing over Sonny Liston, yelling at him to get up is another one that comes to mind.
My uneducated opinion is that it's a combination of great training, extreme natural talent and a body that is just perfect for this, considering length of different limbs compared to each other. And ofcourse, experience and extremely polished technique.
Brute strength. Simply as that. As you said, there are better technicians than him but at the end of the day weightlifting is a speedy STRENGHT sport. Not a ballet where you get extra points for better technique like in gymnastics for example.
Seb. I’m hoping to ask for the impossible but could you guys do the same thing on Karlos Nassar? Jeezus I’m so curious about his training and etc when it’s not world records pls
someone like Nijhat Rahimov was certainly on even more gear and also "naturally talented". Still can't hit Shi's power and strength numbers or even match his snatch as a heavier athlete. He's a freak of nature w/ or w/o gear.
@@trtnec like all things gear affects people differently. there is all the fact we dont know what gear he is on? who knows what china has come up with.
@@jarrett7977 no kidding they’re all on gear, my point is though that he would still dominate just as much or possibly even more if no one was on gear, as every top nation would fall off accordingly - and this already has happened to a degree. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that as performance has gotten “worse” in each era (the sport is cleaner now than in the past, even with all the corruption), China’s gap over the rest of the world (eastern bloc nations mainly) has widened. US and some western EU have fared better in this “cleaner” era as well.
I hate the whole ‘C&J equal to frontsquat’ point because in actual reality, if you can C&J something, you can absolutely front squat more. The athletes in question may not have actually done it, but they absolutely would be capable of doing it if they tried.
@6:30 why would anyone pretend to do this? I don't get what it has to do with hard training elite weightlifters? Is it because they get pushed to a limit they're not willing to push through beyond failure?
I humbly disagree that Shi is not the best technician out there, besides him and LU I would put Apti there as well as 3 best technicians in the last 12 years
I mean, why squat twice when you only need to do it once? He likes the squat jerk, but it'll be weaker if he has to full clean a rep first. Makes sense, really. Save it for the squat jerk if you can just power clean it.
well because the Olympics is highly valued by China as a way to promote its image, and weightlifting is one of China's most competitive sport, so they'll scout the most talented kids since they were maybe five or six, put these kids through rounds and rounds of grueling tests and eliminations, and the ones that eventually make it to the provincial (state) team are top notch genetic monsters. On top of that, their lives revolve around weightlifting, forget going to public schools like a normal kid, their lives become lifting, and they're trained by veterans. Let's not forget China has 1.4 billion people to provide that massive pool, honestly I'm not surprised Shi zhiyong got this strong.
Wait! Wait! Doing a bigger bench press won't help your shot putting? That's just ignorance about the shot put. OK, I agree but then bench press doesn't really do all that much for shot putting in the first place. Its at best an assistance exercise next to leg power. Depending upon upper body strength to throw the shot is the key to a short career as a shotputter on account of noncompetitve distances thrown.
I guess genetic inheritance is out of these two fellas field of knowing. I've heard it been said it's about 50 percent of the game, what your bloodline has passed on to you from the earlier generations. Shame these two fellas missed out on something so important.
Love how the chinese dont shrug in cleans or snatches. I’ve followed suit and my lifts have never been cleaner or smoother. My turnover os waaaaay faster too and just all round smoother. I think people over shrug which can mess up bar path turnover etc. Thank you Deng Wei
All these zhing wong zing wangs look the same, no idea if people have talked about same powerlifter for 6 years (the ones thatve been on my feed) or not.
Dude what are you talking about that guy has one of the most precise technique if you talk about snatch or clean. You are great commentator but you don't have a good eye for technical aspects of a lift
He's a good technician, I've always said that, but the thing that separates him isn't his technique. There are other athletes in the category that move better, but no one is as strong as him.
@@WeightliftingHouse name one :D jk bro I'm sorry I didn't mean to sound like a jerk, but I still think his trajectory is one of the best. And the lack of footwork is specific for chinese, I have also done analysis in snatch technique of elite weighlifters in slovakia and lack of footwork surprisingly does often not mean that getting under the bar is any slower than when you "jump".
Zero analytics lol "he's strong" Yeah, no shit. He is so technical. Correct, not the best technician, But these guys don't even understand why he is good lol.
these athletes are top genetics, they are outliers. Normal people will never be able to come close to do the things these guys do, no matter how we analyze and mimic their trainng. Never.
