Hashirama stomps everyone with the exception of Obito. Obito's kamui is just broken af and let's not even get into Jubito seeing as Hashirama said himself Jubito was stronger than him
@@Biffo316 jubito well ya no surprise there he's 10 tailed amped along with sage of 6 paths powered. though are we counting madara since he was technically the leader? him being super amped as well also rolls hashirama.
obito could bring him to the kamui dimension and let him starve there, no? hard to escape it when he gets to grip you and you don't have instant teleportation
The whole point of iron sand is being insanely durable. I'm not saying that Iron Sand is more durable than Madara's Susanno, but Tsunade had to punch in order to crack rib cage
For Tsunade, I feel like you should’ve mentioned the possibility of the 100 Healings Jutsu helping her in regards to negging Sasori’s poison. Just something interesting to consider
right, i also thought chiyo said tsunade was better than her at finding cures and chiyo was the only reason why sakura beat sasori and kankuro survived the poison, so i would assume if chiyo herself said tsunade was a great rival that she would be instantly get the cure for it
Tsunade; Beats the bricks off Hidan and Kakuzu, beats Deidara, and Sasori. Old Hiruzen; Beats Hidan, Kakuzu, and Deidara. Could beat Sasori but it’s a toss up. Tobirama; Beats Hidan, Kakuzu, Deidara, Sasori, Kisame, possibly beats Pain. Hashirama; Bodies everyone all at once. Hokage Kakashi; Beats everyone individually. Hokage Naruto; bro come on
The poison can stay in your system up to 3 days and only the antidote will destroy it, whereas all Hundred healings Tsunade would be doing is constantly regenerating from it, so you can argue she wouldn't be paralyzed but Sasori could definitely poison her.
@@isshinkurosaki252 Yeah, but Tsunade said 100 Healings creates brand new healthy cells to replace the damaged ones. Shouldn’t the poison just not replicate damaged cells? Why would damaged cells continue to exist for 3 days while it’s active? They shouldn’t be able to replicate at all.
Sakura came up with an antidote whilst fighting Sasori. Tsunade has years of experience on Sakura as a medic so she'd be more than capable of dealing with the poison. She would struggle with the iron sand though but if Sasuke can break through Gaara's ultimate defence then why couldn't Tsunade break through something above that seeing as Tsunade would probably be on par with the Kazekage and his iron sand with brute strength? She doesn't really have that many notable speed feats so that's hard to judge. I still say she takes sasori but I don't think she takes many of the akatsuki purely because she's primarily a medical ninja and the only thing she has to counter anything is her healing seal thing.
Lmao no. Sakura extracted poison from kankuro and formulated an antidote based on that. In no universe could Sakura or tsunade formulate an antidote WHILE FIGHTING Sasori.
Sasori and Orochimaru are definitely not rivals, Orochimaru is blatantly stronger and barely took Sasori seriously as a threat in the Storm 4 animation, in the anime flashback or even in the canon story. He showed up to kill him despite his body rejecting him and his arms being sealed. Orochimaru vs 4 tails is a better feat than anything Sasori has. I love Sasori too, he's one of the coolest and most underrated Akatsuki members but can we stop wanking bro? He scales closer to Hebi Sasuke/Deidara levels, the two threatened to kill each other, Kisame viewed Deidara as A bigger loss than Sasori or Kakuzu even. Deidara has way better feats than Sasori too, scaling Sasori above even Deidara is absurd as it is yet alone claiming he's beating Orochimaru. Bro ain't Sannin level.
The Storm 4 animation is literal not canon to the manga continuity regardless of any statements because it directly goes against the manga. Hidan is nit an original akatsuki member, Orochimaru was partnered with Sasori not Kakuzu, Sasori used his human puppet body to join it Akatsuki not the 3KK, the list goes on and on. I’d take that entire game canon with a grain of salt.
@@hobbyhorse5848 Oh no Orochimaru showed up with a Kakashi level character that couldn't even kill Yamamato. Kishimoto had involvement with those animations btw. Sasori and Deidara in the Akatsuki Hiden attempted to find Orochimaru, much like in the anime filler, implying both would be needed to defeat Orochimaru.
@@basedcommentor Cool Kishimoto was “involved” Sasori still didn’t use his strongest puppet against Konan and she’s also his natural hard counter. I think Orochimaru on his own is stronger than Sasori, without his arms it’s a toss up. Also teamwork is important when one much stronger character can cover for the weaker one, we saw that in Chiyo / Sakura vs Sasori.
@@hobbyhorse5848 The series also shows plenty of fights in which characters aren't capable of interfering with due to being outclassed, such as Kabuto stating he has no place in Orochimaru's fight with 4 tails calling it a fight between monsters, don't think Orochimaru vs Sasori would be that intense though? Questionable if Kabuto is dodging the iron sand like Sakura too, definitely rather have Sasori killed by Orochimaru than Sakura + Chiyo smh
Well if I could add some context . Hiruzen staff is likely a reference to the staff of wu Kong the monkey King in Chinese mythology. His staff is able to grow to th e size of mountains .. this is why most likely they think this is an ability of hiruzen .I mean his summon is literally a monkey who happens to be one of the strongest summoning
So how would sasori get passed mitotic regeneration which would counteract his poison? Just remember that lady chio took it as granted that the slug queen was the ultimate counter to poison.
She was able to make an antidote to virtually every poison conceivable, she wouldn’t be able to counteract it instantly especially while it’s in her body. Im not saying Sasori would beat tsunade, I think she would be able to dodge everything he has, but if he manages to poison her, I think she’s out for the count.
I agree. I came to the comments to say that they slept hard on Tsunade. Mitotic regeneration can replace cells to the point that it can heal the user back from death 100 times over. Poisons bind to protein receptors in cells and kill them by making them unable to perform essential functions. I see the mitotic regeneration replacing all the effected cells, giving Tsunade more than enough time to close the gap and crush Sasori's core. That poison is nowhere near an instant win for Sasori in my estimation.
15:01 idk given how old hiruzen was and the history between konoha and iwa i’d expect him to know about the explosive clay and i believe running lightning chakra through your body is enough to disarm the bombs
So when looking at tobirama vs Itachi we know that older generations have seen the Sharingan abilities before amaterasu, kotoastukami, so I don't see why he wouldn't have seen Tsukiyomi.
@@momotheone9700 Yes flame control is different from amaterasu though. That's couod be a indra reincarnation thing or a power he didn't encounter but another senju could have or it could have been a power form indra reincarnate
I think you're both saying the same thing but I'll clear it up. After seeing Sasuke's Amaterasu Flame Control, Tobirama says he's never seen flame control like that before. The flame control specifically. He wasn't surprised about amaterasu, he was surprised it could be controlled. So it's implied he had seen it before and it was probably an uchiha similar to itachi that had amaterasu but no kagutsuchi (flame control)
@@momotheone9700 i understand, but remember, he was referring to flame control. Not amaterasu. So he saw flame control before but not as sauske did. He was impressed, not afraid. 👍
I agree for the most part but I do have some gripes For tsunade I feel she should be fast enough(especially on 100h form) to not get pricked, and if she beats sasori I feel like the highest she gets to at most is reaching itachi, but most likely stops at kisame For minato, I feel like base minato can’t beat itachi or OM obito. For itachi it’s arguable that just base sharingan itachi could handle minatos speed and combined with the MS amp and susanoo, I feel minato would need sage mode Against O.M. Obito, he could barely beat a 15 year old, and 30 year old is much stronger ( he felt confident in fighting almost all the akatsuki when kabuto threatened him), faster, and he’s much more cautious when fighting stronger opponents, I feel he would also need sagemode to beat him
@@momotheone9700 kabuto tried threatening obito with the stronger akatsuki members to get him to join him, he only agreed when kabuto brought out madara, implying he could’ve at least handled itachi decently easily
@@sergperez5484 when it comes to what OM Obito is able to evaluate well by a glance, he is not really a good student. He evaluated Torune's ability, recognized it was nano sized poison bugs, and still tried to grab the dude. He lost an arm like that, by being reckless. He also was being reckless against Konan, and also took heavy blow at the the First attack. I am not saying by any means he is on their level, he is obviously above. But I genuinely think OM Obito would get cleared by Sage Kabuto. This guy has extremely good sensing abilities, he can track chakra signals really easily around him, Obito can not really get into his blind spot. There is a reasonable thinking to say Tayuya's flute powered up by Sage Kabuto, can paralyse OM Obito. It could do it with EMS Sasuke and Itachi. Like it is still a genjutsu casted by a sage, it is no joke. Sage Jiraya could do it on bodies of Pain with the rinnegan. And sage Kabuto is a pretty fast dude. He caught off guard EMS Sasuke a good amount of time. So I don't think OM Obito is gonna close the gap in any easy way. I know we saw OM Obito, being able to react to Raikage going at him at the kage summit before declaring the war. But it is like reacting to Raikage is something MS Sasuke could do, EMS does it as well. I just see more reasons to think sage Kabuto can take him off. Like for instance, we swap sage Kabuto for OM Obito against Edo Tensei Itachi + EMS Sasuke. I don't think OM is getting as much as sage Kabuto. Sage Kabuto is genuinely a top tier of the war arc. So was rinnegan Obito, but I don't think it is the same for OM Obito. Kishimoto couldn't show the chief of the Akatsuki getting actually cornered right away by Kabuto so he made Kabuto bring up the Edo Tensei body of Madara. It was also going towards the points of convincing Obito. Like even Edo Itachi there with sage Kabuto, would actually have taken him out. There is no need for the other guys. Obito has still the means to make it a tie, by running away.
If Minato marks anyone of the Akatsuki members mid fight alongside Flying Raijin Lvl 2, he could teleport to them instantly like he did against Obito ( in the anime at least)
@@ross.b8699 not really he said it in the damn video Minato is better than tobirama at flying raijin bro he doesn't even incorporate it in his fighting style did you even listen to it or you just tobirama fanboy???
@@koreyplaz even that its not like tobirama is known for his flying raijin, he is known for his waterstyle, flying thundergod is minato's go to, not because he jsed it against obito, does not mean he starts all battle with it, you would be giving tobirama minatos fightingstyle, which would be unfair
@@momotheone9700 well either way tobirama loses either way cry about it he's not as good as flying raijin and in arguments about him being able to use it and teleport to all of the Akatsuki members it's completely irrelevant because tobirama cannot do it just like Minato can
So, iron sand has more defence than a Susano’o? Does that mean the third Kazekage’s defences were much better than the entire Uchiha’s spiritual mecha? Edit: Sasuke should have used Iron Sand against Jigen. Maybe he would have gotten a little less embarrassed by him.
Hiruzen is said to know all the jutsu in the leaf and is probably aware of iwa explosive jutsu mostly likely so would know to some extent counters towards it.
Anyone who thinks ems sasuke is stronger than full (edo) itachi then their just meat riding. Throughout the kabuto fight itachi had to save his ass and did all the fightint
Great video, but Itachi's mirror is absolutely defending against a tailed beast bomb, it is stated by official sources that it can defend against ANY attack, outside of that I think I agree with pretty much anything, (Naruto still obviously beats Itachi.)
The shield is omni-directional, this is quite literally stated in one of the guide books, and clearly Naruto is not real life, if it were, Most of the stuff that the characters do would just insta kill people in the show, even though it doesn't.@theatricult
Ahh totally done Tsunade dirty there, Sakura was able to avoid Sasori’s attacks on her own by the end of the fight, and Tsunade is much faster than Sakura at this point, with like 40+ years ninja experience, I mean she fought against Hanzo ffs. Plus her hundred healings should repair the effects of the poison even if she is hit, plus what happens if she summons Katsuyu to melt the entire battlefield and all of Sasori’s puppets?
Give itachi ems, give Nagato his alive healthy version and give obito the rinnegan, allow them with the rest of the akatuski all to team up, thennnn it’ll be fair for hashirama
With regards to Minato, A says he's a master of sealing jutsu. Now, given Minato's trademark humility, A must be speaking about combat sealing that he watched Minato use....extensively apparently. A doesnt know how FTG works, so WTF is combat sealing, and how does it work? Would it play a part with Minato fighting here?? Could he just seal every combatant that's slower than him, and this hack his way to an easy walk-through
In world Minato is famous. Ay didn’t have to see it himself, he could have just heard it from allies. We see minato use a giant sealing mark to teleport a biju bomb from nine tails durring the attack, and from the 10 tails in the war. So he could have been doing that to enemies attacks, and that’s where Ay gets that from.
Dude wy is this a big shocker? The dude teleported a BIJUU BOMB BY PULLING IT INTO THE VOID SPACE, AND TELEPORTING IT OUT OF THE VILLAGE. i dont see how its so unbelievable that he might some level of "combat sealing" ability since ay did see minato use the kunais and be knows how the flying raijin jutsu works and such.
@@markoglokevic1383 dude hiruzen reacted to unstable juubito, so did hashirama kcm2 naruto kcm minato and ems sasuke, and tobirama did use ftg to do that feat, i dont have a problem with tobirama beating pain though
@@momotheone9700 Hiruzen reacted to Truth Seeking orbs, not Juubito bc Juubito blitzed him. KCM Naruto and EMS Sasuke didn't react to unstable Juubito, atleast not at that point, they literally got blitzed when Unstable Juubito grabbed them by their faces and the only reason they survived is bc of Minato's FTG. And I was saying about the time Juubito ran though Tobirama and Hashirama, Tobirama in that moment tagged Juubito with 4 paper bombs and 1 FTG seal without Juubito even noticing, so that's blatant blitz and Tobirama didn't use FTG.
I really be feeling bad about Hidan but you're right. I'd say he's like a high as fuk jounin level due almost solely to his physicality. His ability to survive what would be fatal injuries is dope if he gets the drop on someone who doesn't have an MO of blowing folks apart if not just straight destroying every trace of an op. However, dude banks so hard on his ability to not die, that he's a damn a one dimensional blood knight with a hyper conditional jutsu. His taijutsu is great but Kakashi was fending him off and also had Intel. I'd argue he'd have faired well either or. If Kakuzu ain't putting his ass back together, if he's a pile on the ground, that's it. He just doesn't contend against anyone who is super careful or someone who deals damage in high yield ordinance level displays
You forgot about that jutsu Tobirama can use that creates an area of essentially utter darkness. Combine that with his sensory abilities and he creates some issues for Pain, unless you think the Deva Path can just blow that away.
I’m sorry but Tobirama vs Kisame is not close… especially if y’all think he could beat him with water style and flying Rajiv alone. Tobirama also is proficient in all 5 chakra natures plus Yang Yang. If we use an anime feat then Kisame has no answer for the bringer of darkness genjutsu. As always he suffers from not having enough feats
@@ross.b8699 i understand, but im pretty sure tobirama is stupid enough to equip himself with his brothers jutsu, possibly created by tobirama. No offense. 👍The senju's are known as the clan of 1000 skills. They are good at all 3 ninja skills. And tobirama doesn't have lack of performance, its the bias fan base who constantly tries to underrate him. To power scale characters we must compare them with others. So basically what ever madara can do with taijutsu, hashirama his rival can too. Hashirama arrived with tobirama to battle field same time, and both were moving and fighting hiruzen on par. But hashirama has more power / Chakra. Etc
@@Pycho.10567 so just ignore hashirama then. Put just tobirama, hiruzen, minato, tsunade and Kakashi. I say they at least do much better than the 5 kage bcs hokages are simply them. I mean, minato or tobirama by themselves could solo the 5 kage If going all out i think.
Hirizan vs Kisame ……We don’t know hirizan thunder tech atks at all. Yea it could go both ways but it’s possible he clears this. He’s called the professor for a reason.
I think the hokage was so op that it's not fair for any group to face them as even obito pain and itachi will suffer against tobirama and minato let alone hashirama and naruto
Tsunade Slams Sasori. She’s literally Chiyo and Sakura combined but better. Plus 100 healings should negate the poison since she creates new cells which means you can say good bye to all the poisoned cells. And honestly she should blitz. While not as fast as the Raikage She’s definitely relative to him and she showcases that multiple times so yeah. At worst I think she caps at Kisame but no lower and honestly kisame doesn’t win unless he drains a bunch of chakra or is able to fuse with Samehada
Like to even poison tsunade sasori would need to pass through thousands of katsuyus, all of them sharing vision and having sensory abilityes😂. He'd never touch her lmao, katsuyu covered konoha as a whole and protected everyone in It during pain's attack. On top of that tsunade can also dodge attacks by herself, she's fast, she was the one who taught Sakura to read moviments and she can also protect herself with a chackra cloak like she did to deflect madara's fireballs. Tsunade is mid/low diffing sasori honestly. These yt chanels are always underrating tsunade smh.
The sasori meat riding is crazy. Loses to everyone badly and in quick fashion. I don’t think I can agree at all even deidara let alone sasori are above Sabin level. My my opinion of course but I’d think only Kakuzu, itachi , obito, pain, possibly kisame are certainly above sanin level.
Tsunade is almost certainly the best person at curing poisens at this point in the story and has a ridiculous amount of experience fighting against new poisons on the battlefield. She is clearing sasori, deidara as well. He won't be able to kill her fast enough without using c0. C0 probably takes her out. Maybe katsuya can tank it. Maybe. I feel she clears konan with katsuya and her acid. Next time please dont forget konan though im cooo with forgetting zetsu. I think she clears kisame with katsuya as well but i can see arguments for kisame winning. I think it's a hard stop at pain. I dont think its fair to compare Tobirama's power to ems Sasuke but i can still see him stopping at itachi because i think itachi is stronger than ems Sasuke i dont really think kakashi makes it past pain. And i also think hiruzen caps out at pain. Although i don't think he would have a problem with deidara, because hiruzen has nothing but long range attacks. Everything he has is long range including enma as a staff but you can have the staff point. Everything else is long range. All of minato's fights were in base mode, you stack sage and kcm and he clears with much less difficulty. Naruto and hasirama aren't a discussion. Them two can fight each other when they're finished with the rest. Honestly when you add together edo tensei, shadowclone and raijin, tobirama could probably clear. Especially if he has some good ninjas as corpse. We never got to see who he would pull out. Prolly hasirama 😂 probably izuna too😂😂. Next time do it against the pairs and give the hokage both full power and a real run for their money
Tsunada losing to sasori is laughable as she was specialist at countering chio poisons and her healing mark is more than enough to counter the poison anyway so with the puppets and even sasori low durability she's the worst match up for him Sasori was a beast and so underrated but tsunada is stronger and is the perfect counter for him Second kakashi was the best normal shinobi ever and only surpassing him shinobi with special abilities like dojutsu or jinchuriki but he was portrayed as the perfect shinobi (same as itachi and orochimaru) that he can do anything other shinobi can do but way better so adding MS kamui makes war arc kakashi a beast but I don't think he would beat itachi because itachi was also top tier but with a natural MS and he was more efficient with it and while I think he would give pain a very tough fight but I don't think he will win
Okay so if this is Kage vs Akatsuki, then you should've used Kage Naruto. Obviously Seems like you were using versions of Naruto throughout the series and not the version of Naruto in which he was a Kage. Therefore all feats up to current Boruto should be considered cause THAT is Kage Naruto. Not KCM1 Naruto from the Pain arch.
Tsunade can definitely beat sasori bro 100 healings she might make a cure for his poison during the fight or just rank through most of sasori attacks plus she got Katsuya like she unkillable in a 1 v 1 she proved it when the 5 kage got washed and she got skewered and what looked to be chopped in half and lived against Madara and y’all say she loses to sasori? That shit sad she literally carry’s Sakura through the show and she the strongest of the three Sannin physically and with chakra techniques and I only say this because she is a medical ninja so naturally she has better chakra control and I haven’t seen a single time Tsunade wasted chakra in a fight she actually uses her skillset the most effectively out of the three tbh because Orochimaru has a almost infinite amount of Jutsu he could use but he only uses snakes……jaraiya is a combat genius but he is wasteful with chakra and doesn’t have the same level of chakra control just look at how he trained Naruto……tells him to just dump more chakra into his Jutsu instead of teaching him how to effectively perform a Jutsu.
om would demolish minato, 14 yo obito was very relative to minato, being able to react to him and almost catching him in the kamui twice, tbh obito would've won the endurance game since minato was really struggling and he won beacouse he took advantage of the fact that obito wanted it to be a short fight since the ninetails summoning wouldnt have last long, and for all those saying that minato onetapped him and shit like that not only he won by a sliver since he was about to get cought but also he admitted that the masked man saw right threw all of his moves, now you have obito 16 years later, just imagine the difference between a 14 yo and freaking 30 yo, to put that in prospective you guys have been doing those gaunlet type of videos my man obito was confident in fighting half the akatsuki AT ONCE on top of kabuto wich to be fair he didnt know about sagemode but still, also you have izanagi wich on the highball lasts 10 minutes
I don't get why people are always over hyping Minato. Both him and young obito were onpar. But for some reason all of a sudden Minato can use sage mode 😅😂. And can out speed hashirama madara's rival 😂. Its bad writings. He even tried to penetrate raikage's Chakra armor with a bare kunai. Whats the point of having a Chakra armor if it can't protect you from a bare kunai. 😂 its bad writing.
Well, Minato is known as the yellow flash who teleports through marks. Itachi is not gonna stare at flying Kunai and don't do anything, waiting for Minato to close the gap. Itachi also constantly showed in the show deviating kunais and shurikens in mid air as his base moves. He can even predict how to direct them in mid air. So, I am not making a case for Itachi just neg the marks. It would be stupid. But he not getting speed stomp. His shurikens techniques I know are kind of wacky feats, but to be fair Minato uses kunais. Both of them make crazy feats with just kunais. Like Itachi cleared out Edo Nagato summonings field of view in 1 move. I know, it is weird, but it is what it is.
@@fellowkrieger457 think about this naruto in kurama mode sensed minatos chakra however sense Naruto was suprised later that minatos had kurama means it’s unlikely that he used it to reach the battlefield he didn’t use ftg because none of his kunai or markers were on the battlefield he like everyone else used bodyflicker to reach the battlefield and not only did he get there first he threw a kunai to the sea to teleport the ten tails bjuu and threw a kunai towards naruto to teleport back all before the bjuu bomb exploded and the other hokage plus team taka arrived and ems sasuke had been pretty even with itachi itachi was obviously more experienced and was way smarter than sasuke vs kabuto minato one taps itachi if he doesn’t have his susanno activated from the get go
Melee weapn free for all so all the characters who always fight with a weapon in hand or kinda just their main ninja tool like the seven ninja swordsman maybe as a bonus throw in gai with nunchucks 3rd hokage with his monkey staff throw in a couple executioner blades for Suigetsu and Zabuza idk sounds fun
I’m convinced u guys don’t know what you’re talking about. This is like the 3rd video of yours I’ve seen where some ridiculous take is made. Tsunade clips out against Sasori??? Bc of poison? Just no. Tsunade made her name making battlefield antidotes against Chiyo and the sand who could never best her. That same Chiyo who’s now much older, beats Sasori with help from Sakura who was trained by… Tsunade! So if poison ain’t working, bc it won’t, what else would Sasori have to beat Tsunade? Iron sand? Sure that’d give her a little trouble but if she can crack Madara’s Susano, which is hailed as the ultimate defense… and it’s MADARA’S… she can deal with some Iron sand. Tsunade beats Sasori mid-diff at worst. With mitotic regen, strength, durability and knowledge of poisons, she’s like the perfect counter to Sasori. Bad take.
I don't disagree that tobirama would most likely win against sasori, but some of your reasoning is completely wrong, you mention that because edo tobirama could keep pace with hiruzen, who is stronger than rasa that he could keep up with sasori, but there really isn't a good comparison here. The only link between rasa and sasori is the 3rd kazekage, who we know is stronger than rasa, but not by how much. Not to mention that we really don't have a solid grasp on how badly that edo was nerfed. It's obvious that it's bad, but you can't quantity it. And that entire line of reasoning relies on speed and strength being related, which in Naruto it isn't. There are plenty of incredibly fast characters who are not as strong as some slower characters
Kakashi having Kamui just hacks pretty much everything. Theoretically speaking, couldn't Kakashi just Kamui Itachi out of Susanoo? Most of the time where he loses to an Akatsuki member like Pain, he just couldn't manifest the Mangekyo in time, meaning if he did, he would have won. If he Kamui's a Pain body, they can't revive it because it isn't "dead", just stuck in the Kamui dimension. So, he wins by battlefield removal technically.
@@___________0Z0X I thought they just revived them? Even then, I guess they could summon them maybe? Kamui dimension is so different but idk maybe they could
I havent even watch this video, but looking through this comment section, already i see minato being slandered and shitted on as usual but let me get into minato being able to fight orange mask obito first: Orange mask obito= Yellow maas obito and thats a hot take but its true im sorry obito didnt really get stronger physically, hes more of a better fighter yes has more haxs and so on, but lets look at what he lost, the kyubi and the chains plus the zetsu amp, at the end of the day no izanagi no koto like genjutsu, no hashirama cells is of much help to obito as much as kamui is thats the truth, and people like to separate them and say oh minato lost to obito at 14 so what would om obito do? But the series never implied that obito was weak in the ninetails incident, as a matter of fact he is implied to be at his strongest being compared to madara when fighting minato, and that was not for the 1v1 either it was just for him controling the ninetails and having mangekyo sharingan, so obito was never implied to be weak because of his age he was always extremely powerful. Second thing is obito has better feats at 14 than he did in his orange mask, like if obito was so much above himself at 14, there would be no need for the akatisuki as obito would be so much faster snd stronger than any of them it would be irrelevant, you would gave to imply that obito got stronger than when he had a full kyubi and zetsu o his side with just his ms and some remaining hashirama cells, and the amp of hashirama cells is so great, that it would make up for obitos lack of maturity and power anyway, so minato is not weaker than orange mask obito because he struggled a little with a younger obito, before the obito fight even started minato was already expelling chakra to hold down the kyubi for kuhina to give birth, dont forget that. With that explanation out of the way, minato scaling to OM obito is enough to get him above most akatisuki members save for pain and itachi ARGUABLY. Konan, hidan, kakuzu and sasori are getting clapped withing the first minute of fighting minato like at best konan is about base sannin level, minato was leagues abpve orochimaru from part 1 who had both arms so shes out, hidan out, best you can do for sasori is hanzo level, but his poisons are somewhat countered by sakura early shippuden and all though shes impressive, shes not implied above tsunade level or anything like that, and kakuzu at best with wank would be able to take a rasengan, but he cant use the hardening and fight at the same time, if he put it in just his hands to strike we see that he can be countered by people like chirugowho was implied inferior to asuma, whose weaker than base sharingan kakashi, the whole works, this is anime adaptation though, Deidara and kisame can do sumn under certain circumstances, but i doubt it would get to that point, the minute minato mark either of them hes just gonna be on them with clones himself all these kinda things and its very debatable if some of them can even activate jutsus before minato gets to them, like even if like deidara try C0, minato would just grab that ball thing prolly seal it or teleport it. c4 is deidaras best option but again minsto would be teleporting to him all the time so unless he suicides it with c4, no shot for deidara . Kisame is a similar case but his only shot is the water domb, again it would not get to that point at all kisame implied that baby kcm1 just received the form 2 minutes ago naruto had speed that is weirdly fast, dispite seeing raikage and bee and all he thinks its weird for baby mode naruto to be this fast, naruto had to train this mode, then face the raikage get mental amp, just to be compared to a feat minato did as a jonin 16 years prior, so it does not work, but even if kisame pull out the domb as soon as the fight starts, minato has like marks in the leaf he can just jump to way out of reach and come back, or a crazy way is if minato has time to prep, he can use clones to feel kisame out, abd teleport with them, in the war tobirama stated that the original move faster than the clones duh but my point here is he implied he could have use clones to feel kisame out, theres a lot of thing minato can do, and this is just giving minato relative to kcm naruto arguments, but minato scales higher than that to a decent degree, The real argument for minato is itachi pain and obito, if itachi is sick theres not arguments in my opinion but maybe tsukyomi and yes if tsukyomi lands its over, but thats if it lands, because it works so quickly , but again it has to LAND first. As for pain, a lot of pain vs minato videos is just preaching gospel, minato bodies pain, the problem in that fight is that pretty much just the raw pressure of fighting 6 pains at once that terrifying, but once minato marks a few, it should be game set match, and then ofcourse obito, i think minato can win, but obito migt just use izanagi and come back for him with that kamui who knows, all in all i think minato does really well i can even argue minato clears with certain scalings.
Saying Minato beats Tobi loses almost all credibility wtf. U said u can’t j use the argument that he’s gotten stronger since they fought last but YOU CAN. U rly don’t think there’s a difference bw a 13-14 yr old kid and a 30 yr old man? In terms of power, durability, knowledge, IQ, and EVERYTHING?! If they were pretty equal when they fought when he was 14 then orange mask obito easily wins wtf
Tobirama wouldn't have a problem reacting to and easily dodging itachi's amaterasu. Tobirama saw sauske ems, and was still not afraid to confront and fight him. Knowing fully what the Uchiha's are capable of, and knowing how much chakra sauske has. This sauske is much faster and stronger than Kage summit sauske. Jubito only hit Tobirama because he allowed himself to get hit, even sauske acknowledged that the hokages were taking advantage of their edo bodies to figure out jubitos abilities. Sorry, but tobirama beats itachi. 👍👊
Sasuke didn’t even think Tobirama was worth activating the base 3T Sharingan against Tobirama when he flexed his chakra. Let’s not overate that scene and use it to wank Tobirama.
@@hobbyhorse5848 and if you explain this everyone say your underrating him, but against killer bee as soon as bee moved sasuke immediately activates his sharingan, so its consistent that if you are a threat, sasuke immediately activates his sharingan, and while ems sasuke is way above those other sasukes, the fact he didnt even activate base sharingan, i just dont see it as such a crazy feat at all
@@momotheone9700 Orochimaru can also bind and control his movements against his will and you cannot do that to an Edo Tensei that is massively above you.
@@hobbyhorse5848 as proven with hashirama, which means hes more like around hiruzen level rather than hashirama as orochimaru can break binding at any time, If he wishes, hashirama even told tobirama his senses have dulled a little, its just not implied tobirama and hashirama are "THEM" together as people like to say. Its more like hashirama is HIM and tobirama has HIM moments
@@momotheone9700 Do you think Tobirama alive is faster than Madara or Hashirama because I think that is so off base, I think the whole “you who were once hailed as the fastest shinobi” was just Madara trying to make Tobirama feel like garbage after stomping him.
Normally like your videos but I found some disturbing stuff you and TG said in a video about 10 months ago, is there any platform I can contact you on to ask for your statement about?
@ForKing I'd like to refrain from putting them under fire until they have time to respond, but a lot of it comes from their video about Debating Hakus Gender
in the anime i am an itachi fan but i dont know ,people scale hashirama too highly ,the say he is the god of shinobi ,that is true,strongest yes but i dont think he can beat obito and itachi together , in the anime he fights the nine tails and he is weakened,abilities matter a lot while hashirama is none for excellent shadow clones,and deighty gates,he is good at fighting big structures but people like deidara who fight on the air ,hidan needs a blood of drop and i dont think obito and itachi cannot draw blood from the guy for hidan to perform his ritual ,he is stronger doent mean they cannot draw blood ,obito and itachi with with hidan are taking out hashirama
Yeah, as much as I enjoy New Horizon’s and his takes on a lot of these fights, and baffles me how he comes to certain conclusions when it comes to Minato. First off I don’t think he’s clearing pain and even if he does, it’s going to be with extremely high difficulty people have to remember that Paine cut his power in half when he completely obliterated the leaf village he was fighting Naruto at his best at half power that’s number one Number two is Itachi it seems like a lot of people take that entire fight out of context obito was a child when he fought Minato and he had to use his best attack to best a child years, go by and I think it is safe to assume obito hasgotten stronger this same obito was confident, even if incorrect that he could defeat Minato. He had no such confidence when encountered by Itachi when he made threats to kill him. He even surmise this when he was talking to Sasuke. Itachi’s fight against kabuto is a silly way to try to undercut his strength that entire fight he was simultaneously trying to protect Sasuke in his recklessness and not kill kabuto while being weaked by the edo. The fact that this analysis is always skipped baffles me again. This is any weaked edo itachi keeping up with KMC Naruto. People also love to not expound, or show the entire fight between killer bee and his brother and how killer bee was able to either react, or predict a Minato, and was going to impale him he was extremely confident him and his brother could beat Minato. And how you guys disrespected sasori with his omnidirectional needles and flooding the area with poison gas the only reason that Sakura lasted as long as she did was because she had the second best puppeteer behind her. That is it. I can go on, but I think I’ve made my point.
I’m taking hokages during their time in office, and the akatsuki as we see them in the show in their strongest alive forms pre war arc. Sasori hidan kakuzu and konan all get negged by every hokage. Deidara has a chance against tsunade, hiruzen and kakashi with the nano explosives. Kisame has a chance against tsunade, kakashi, hiruzen and tobirama if he floods the battlefield. Pain probably beats tsunade, kakashi, tobirama and hiruzen. They don’t have any counters for any of his techniques. Tobirama might be able to bfr pain but that’s not necessarily a win unless he somehow has a way to teleport him into space or the moon or something. Itachi probably beats tsunade, kakashi, tobirama, and hiruzen. He has the totsuka blade, the yata mirror, genjutsu, Amaterasu, etc. obito clears tobirama, hiruzen, tsunade and kakashi. Minato struggles a little bit against obito, Itachi and pains hacks but in the end pulls out the W. Hashirama and naruto no dif everyone. Now if you wanna take juubito he clears minato and hashirama and reanimated Itachi and nagato then they also clear minato.
i'd argue that either hokage kakashi or war arc kakashi can beat deidara, but deidara beats tsunade and somewhat has good chances to win against hiruzen but not guaranteed tobirama and kakashi beats kisame, tsunade puts up a good fight against kisame using 100 healings and it could go either way (i don't think kisame could absorb all of her chrakra in time before tsunade reacts and demolishes his body, so his best chance is water style), old hiruzen loses to kisame, but maaaybe prime hiruzen wins (altho we don't know the extent of his power during his prime) pain beats tsunade, altho she could put up a decent fight before pain activates his stronger hacks, pain beats hiruzen 100% (prime or old), tobirama vs pain could go either way but i'll give tobirama a pass since his water style could overwhelm most paths for just long enough for FTG to be useful, war arc kakashi could (with diff) beat pain due to mangekyou hacks, hokage kakashi puts up a good fight and it goes either way (despite hokage kakashi being stronger than war arc kakashi, kamui is just too good of a hack against pain) itachi beats tsunade and hiruzen, not because of his susanoo (which tsunade would break) but because of amaterasu and tsukuyomi. Tobirama could be fast enough to teleport away from amaterasu and wise enough not to fall for tsukuyomi, but all these combined with susanoo could give him a hard time so itachi has very good chances against him, not 100% tho. Kakashi wouldn't beat itachi, his version of kamui could maybe counter amaterasu, but he is not beating itachi's susanoo and if he falls for tsukuyomi it's gg orange mask obito beats hiruzen and tsunade easily, has a harder time against tobirama but has a very decent chance against him, but loses to war arc kakashi (wins against hokage kakashi due to lack of mangekyou hacks)
Tobirama does not beat everyone as he scales to old hiruzen in ap without his tandem paperbomb which he would not be activating quick enough with prep time.
@@momotheone9700 it is not definitive that he needs prep time for using Edo Tensei, if he already has his summonings ready from before he can just resummon them mid battle, but that is not certain aswell so I won't argue that. He has his Severing wave though and he was able to cut brenches of God tree with that.
@@markoglokevic1383 pain absorbs the water style or just repels it since its stated almighty push not only negates physical attacks, but ninjutsu as well, pain hard counters all ninjutsu, the edo summons are fodder so pains can rip their souls out, its even debatable if tobiramas edo are as powerful when they explode as his own body edo would be.
@@markoglokevic1383 to get tobirama above the akstisuki you dont need him to be madara level or hashirama level, to get tobirama above minato you have to argue hes above juubito, ems madara and hashirama wood constructs or that hes of that tier, which is unlikely im guessing
tobirama would clear healthy itachi, tobirama fought madara and izuna his entire life both with mangekyou sharingan so hes pretty confortably able to chackra flex out of the tsukuyomi, for amaterasu he can dodge it with his body flicker or ftg and for the susanoo and tozuka blade he can outlast itachi, attack him form a distance and teleporting to him whenever he run low on chackra
That's just factually untrue. Madara and Izuna didn't have the Mangekyou for their whole lives or even that long at all and Izuna was going blind when he got killed. Also you can't "flex" out of Tsukuyomi, that's just not how Genjutsu works.
@@travistreadway3180 How Genjutsu works is that it directly puts Chakra into your brain and rewires it, you need to disrupt that Chakra so your normal Chakra can return. So no, there is no "flex" or "willpower" at all, it doesn't matter what character where you could get Goku to flex and destroy the planet it still won't matter. Tobirama would need to disrupt his chakra the same amount as the Genjutsu puts in, but the Tsukuyomi is so fast, literally taking like a picosecond on one occasion, so you can't. You would need to be like 6 Paths level of fast and strong to even begin that argument.
I don’t think tobirama is breaking outta tsykinomi, but I doubt he gets caught in it. Itachi was keeping people like orochimaru and base Naruto under basic sharigan genjutsu and they both have a lot of chakra.
It’s not a stretch to say that KCM 2 Naruto will be able to beat Itachi, but it’s not gonna happen by Itachi getting blown away by a tailed beast bomb, or another huge Jutsu. Don’t downplay the Yata mirror. We know that the shield can become bigger than the Susanoo to the point where I think it could protect at least 90% of its body. Although we didn't see the upper limit of how much of the body the mirror can encompass I’ll grant you that.
It’s just that itachi’s full susano isn’t very mobile, and the yatta mirror can’t cover his back and face at the same time. Naruto could jump around and hit him with rasenshuriken from like 3 different angles multiple times
No way to get out of planetary devastation... except for teleportation. Where are you getting "he doesn't use flying tg in his fighting style" ? Tobirama crushes the Akatsuki. Minato crushes the Akatsuki Tsunade can't heal through poison despite being the most brilliant healer? I stopped watching at Tobirama. You guys have picked over this content so much, the only thing you can do is talk crazy to generate interest
Itachi ain't beating KCM1 Naruto, people seem to forget that Naruto can summon 13 clones relative to him, itachi is already relative to Naruto in this form, what is Itachi going to do when 13 relative fighters to him are jumping on him LMAO. Bro is honestly going to be done.
Pains almighty pushes and pulls aren’t countered by Minito teleporting but the exact opposite. Any Kunai Minito throws to teleport would be sent flying or pulled into the chibaku Tensei . He’d instanlty teleport to random areas that the kunai are sent or into the chibaku Tensei which is an instant death for him as he has nothing strong enough to destroy that.
What stops minato from teleporting to the kunai still? And why would pain pull minato into him or pull the kunais to him making minato have the chance to teleport and oneshot him? People like kakashi is able to like exploit that 5 second interval, why wouldnt minato be able to by just throwing kunai immediately? theres no reason why minato should not be able to like tag them and separate them if they are more powerful around each other, and the biggest thing is minato is fast enough.
@@momotheone9700 nothing stops him but it would be stupid . Minito throws his kunai to teleport to specific locations . His kunai could be sent into a building or into some rubble and he could teleport into that. Yeah there’s a 5 second interval but he has to wait for pain to already use that attack for it to happen. What’s to stop pain from using almighty push when Minito throws multiple kunai to teleport and sending them flying nothing. Also what about pains summons. He could easily use the invisible salamander and Minito wouldn’t be able to sense him. Yeah Minito is fast but the arts heavily hindered by the rinnegan. Even if he outspeeds one pain the other pains could be reacting before or fatter at different intervals.
@@historyking9984 the pains being able to see minato and react to him is two different things, minato can mark the ground, the tree all manner of debris in the area not just the kunai, tobirama even imlies your clones can opperate as teleportation markers as well, we even see minato is able to teleport to the kunai mid flight, so he can just teleport to a kunai flying away to lighten the blow of the almighty push, and minato is not getting tagged by the other weaker paths. Also the summons minato can just again teleport them away far from the battle he has marked locations far and wide
@@momotheone9700 him having those marked locations requires set up beforehand something he wouldn’t have in this fight vs pain. And your missing something . Minito in base isn’t as fast as you think. When he fought the Raikage he didn’t doge him by pure speed but reacted with teleportation of his kunai. Second they could . The animal path has an invisible animal which he couldn’t see or react to properly . Also all the pains can attack at different times . It’s like how when Obituo’s jinchuriki attacked kcm naruto who’s as fast as Minito and bee despite being far slower we’re able to attack him. It’s not just the eyesight but the bodies: one after another after another. Even if one’s too slow it doesn’t mean others aren’t attacking before or after
This Itachi wank is crazy, why are you using health itachi when he doesn't even exist as part of the Akatsuki, and also why can't you use healthy Nagato if you're going the angle with Itachi? Seems like you just want itachi to be above Pain in this gauntlet.
Time out why are we casually implying Kisame can touch SM Naruto when Pain couldn't. That's ridiculous, also Frog Kumite should be super problematic for Kisame considering it could one shot a pain who tanked SM Jiraiya's strongest attack. So this Naruto should be clearing low to mid difficulty no KCM necessary. Edit: just remembered SM Naruto can also summon the Sage Toads plus Ma and Pa, so with all these Sage Toads running amock with SM Naruto and Ma and Pa in the mix this is actually a low difficulty fight max. Fire video as always from both of you guys but that SM Naruto portion was a fumble.
