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In a landmark decision the Supreme Court ruled that Haredim Jews, the ultra-orthodox part of Israeli society, cannot be exempt from military service. They’ve been excused for nearly 80 years. But now the court says laws must be made fairer. The prospect of ultra-orthodox Jews being conscripted into the army is stoking tensions both in society and the government coalition. DW’s senior international correspondent Fanny Facsar reports from within the ultra-orthodox community with a rare access to one of its neighbourhoods in Jerusalem.
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@joshuas1960 4 дня назад

Their parents want the war but also want someone else's children to fight it.

@KS-yn5zw 4 дня назад

Like netanyahu, they son stay at miami

@edgarbarraca2885 4 дня назад

Miami means American and the father fighting in Israel for he was there 😮😮😮 while others were in Israel when this war happens every family of them served the IDF , like the others members of the country s societies 😅😅😅 dont be sitted and enjoy the show 😅😅😅 morally poor 😮😮

@Imarida2 4 дня назад

They are happy to let women defend them while they sit around reading an old book

@amitsunoko7270 4 дня назад

Their parents also orthodox? They only want peace.

@frederikbjerre427 4 дня назад

Exactly, other parent's children. It's like the socialists idea about other people's money.

@souljahroch2519 4 дня назад

But they have zero objections to taking a monthly salary from that secular government 😏

@wearebecomedeathstar2658 4 дня назад

Well yes. That's generally what happens when you promise those conditions to a sect to get them to sign onto your nation building project. Generally people expect you to actually follow the deal and not alter it after the fact in an attempt destroy their culture and religious pacifisim.

@paul-jr4kc 4 дня назад

Lol they are not pacifist they carry guns and it’s not against their religion to use them. 😂😂 they just don’t want to do their part for the country.

@inmotionadvertising2276 4 дня назад

@@paul-jr4kc Their part in a genocide?

@WaveRider1989 4 дня назад

Pacifist don't go around and take over other people's land and create settlements, expect to be protected by the military, and funded by the people. @@wearebecomedeathstar2658

@naturalbrnchillr 4 дня назад

@@paul-jr4kc they who? You are just sitting there posting ignorant generalizations.

@unclesven4515 4 дня назад

Don’t jails them, stop paying them welfare, housing and medical.

@MrGlenspace 3 дня назад

Deny them voting rights.

@joshuafeezor1304 3 дня назад

@@MrGlenspaceif a right can be denied, it is not a right

@michaelblaes9847 3 дня назад

I agree. Take away the free stuff and prohibit them from ever receiving them again. If you want to survive, you have to protect your families and lands.

@jweezy5490 3 дня назад

@@joshuafeezor1304that's not true, that's what prison is, a denial of certain rights because of something you've done

@robertduluth8994 3 дня назад

@@michaelblaes9847peotect from what?

@yanks030 4 дня назад

Imagine being the main supporters of a brutal and bloody war but refusing to participate in that exact war

@riboh3324 День назад

Ultraorthodox are against it

@GhostOfBuscemi День назад

@riboh3324 if you do nothing to oppose something except fail to participate you are complicit in that act. They are the most limp pathetic resistance to something happening around them I have ever seen. Ive watched clips of droves of ultra orthos spitting on Palestinians and basically jumping them. You seem to be too biased to see.

@shlomkoi День назад

False@@riboh3324

@riboh3324 День назад

@@shlomkoi look up Rabbi Dovid Welss

@Jahemmorriey День назад

🧢 @@riboh3324

@supersardonic1179 4 дня назад

If they don't want to fight, then they should oppose the war. It's that simple, but they won't do it.

@custos3249 4 дня назад

Literally the only intelligent comment I've come across here

@eldubayew1924 4 дня назад

A lot of the people in mea sheraim call themselves Palestinian, and wave the Palestinian flag, because they're antizionist. Many if their families were there before zionism and some of the people there are still antizionist

@Starry_i_CPT 4 дня назад

They oppose zionism which is the war 😅

@EnkiduShamesh 4 дня назад

Most of them do oppose the war, what are you talking about

@kurolap7882 4 дня назад

most of them are against the state of Israel on religious ground, stating that it should not exist until the second coming of the messiah

@MuhamadNasrul-nf3we 4 дня назад

Meanwhile Benjamin Netanyahu son still hiding in Florida😇

@okolona1 4 дня назад

What? No way

@LucBylemans 4 дня назад

Hey muhamad, I think he is ultra orthodox but mileikovsky doesn´t know it.

@IVR68 4 дня назад

@@okolona1yes! It's true

@billlynn8256 4 дня назад

@@LucBylemans is there such a thing as "kinda" orthodox..you know, I get the draft exemption but can wear trendier clothes and no mini dread locks??

@bocagoodtimes1460 4 дня назад

Oh snap

@George-rw4cd 4 дня назад

Take away their free hand outs and benefits and see how they like it then

@vincentray5226 4 дня назад

There is no worse a coward than someone who won't protect their own family.

@EvilSmonker 3 дня назад

They are not supporters of the war. Historically they have defended their immediate communities even forming militias of sorts when directly threatened though.

@MD-ef4ot 23 часа назад

Protect from who exactly ? Maybe if they strop stealing land and acting as a bully on innocent civilian first and they will be no war

@KingRat71 16 часов назад

Yeah we have a problem in the US too with a draft dodger too. He talks tough but cries like the biggest cry baby and victim anytime he is held accountabel for his words or actions.

@AllHopeIsLost1134 4 дня назад

What they'll do to avoid any actual work isn't surprising.

@prettypuff1 4 дня назад

this part

@Arcaryon 4 дня назад

They are a cult and not the functional kind. Fanatics who exist in a bubble.

@mohahaji3534 3 дня назад

Antisemitic

@teegloo 3 дня назад

@@mohahaji3534boohoo cry about it the world still spins

@thegrazingapprentice7712 3 дня назад

@H-jb4tfthis went over a lot of people’s heads lol. Still list

@nunuabiznus 4 дня назад

Just stop giving the Unlta-Orthodox free money for doing nothing. . . They will volunteer when they get hungry enough.

@Flickvids100 4 дня назад

I'm asuming this comment won't be flagged as antisemitism...but any critique to israel will...the absurdity.

@a.maskil9073 4 дня назад

Lol, what on earth is antisemitic about it?

@moeynola6747 4 дня назад

Are u being anti Semitic?

@Serge-cm5my 4 дня назад

@@moeynola6747Be quiet, and stop crying 🐺

@user-wc8lw9km4w 4 дня назад

Very democratic 😂

@isthatyoursomnomnom 2 дня назад

"We claim religious exemption from this war that is 100% over religion"

@resonanttruth1 День назад

It's actually 100% a land grab masquerading as a religious battle.

@leavesinautumn5959 4 дня назад

Many saw this coming. Not only are the Ultra-Orthodox the biggest supporters of war while being exempt from military service, they are also the fastest growing population group in Israel. This was always going to happen, if not Israel would have a smaller and smaller pool (proportionally) to draw from going into the future.

@mariacamilaserranomelo6307 День назад

Why do you say they are the biggest supporters of the war?

@samuela-aegisdottir День назад

I don't think the ultra-orthodox are the biggest supporters of the war. They are mosty anti-sionistic. You may have mixed up the orthodox and the ultra-orthodox, the name can be similar, but they are very different from the political perspective, including the opinions about the war.

@leavesinautumn5959 День назад

@@mariacamilaserranomelo6307 Look up any major Israeli polls on the subject, the results are pretty consistent throughout.

@user-rawe День назад

Or...hear me out, maybe they don't support a one sided genocide as revenge for the terrorist attacks that btw, have only happened because Israel has been expanding their territory in a colonial manner for the last 60+ years.

@geeksworkshop 4 дня назад

Bunch of cowards. Want all the benefits without any of the work.

@DaxBruce-kv4vf 4 дня назад

Ghetto Queens

@amitsunoko7270 4 дня назад

I don't think they signed up for this ethnic cleansing by Israel's government. Thou shall not kill, thou shall not steal rings hollow in Israel.

@user-ki9iy7vs2q 4 дня назад

lol they don't even like the Government and it laws what do you mean??

@HagenKocksch 4 дня назад

Work must mean murder, in Israel, right? 😂

@geeksworkshop 4 дня назад

@@user-ki9iy7vs2q What do you think they do for money.

@lu544 4 дня назад

There should be no religious exemption. They need to pull their own weight for once.

@SonnyDarvishzadeh 4 дня назад

That country's entire existence is based ona 3000 year old religious book.

@DaxBruce-kv4vf 4 дня назад

What if you’re a member of a religion that is anti war pacifists?

@user-wz2dp8tw5w 4 дня назад

So break the promise they made to them to get them to move there in the first place 😂

@Jenji9vl 4 дня назад

No one keep promises nowadays. Lying is totally acceptable. Treaties and agreements are meant to be broken. @@user-wz2dp8tw5w

@coolguy10038 4 дня назад

Yes, there should be a religious exemption. Jehovah's Witness don't believe in serving the military.

@vanrozay8871 4 дня назад

They disdain the government, but their way of life depends on its protections. How do they claim to be citizens?

@JojoJoget 4 дня назад

Meanwhile Netanyahu’s kid is in Miami

@OathfLouve 2 дня назад

Wow.

@frey439 2 дня назад

Probably doing drugs at the casino

@rabbidcrazy787 17 часов назад

Any proof?

@shmuelaryehkoltov241 4 дня назад

They don't recognize the state, but they sure do recognize the money they can get from the state that the rest of us pay in taxes, just as they also recognize the power to decide how the state is governed to the extent that they want to decide for everyone else how to live our lives. Hypocrites.

@pdnowlin 4 дня назад

Mainly, you all are stealing my tax dollars and i dont live near you so….same same but different! Keep on praying dudes, i wouldn’t fight with those crazy people either.

@masssly 4 дня назад

wait. aren't American tax dollars paying for their livelihood?

@in-x-orable2769 4 дня назад

@@massslythat’s right. Just how Arabian oil and African resources pay for your living expenses under the assumption that you do no work at all. We don’t work, we don’t study, we just fold our arms and technological advancements just happen because of the chicken change you send to us.

@in-x-orable2769 4 дня назад

@@pdnowlinwe also work and pay taxes. And you benefit from our intelligence services and especially military tech which are a lot more valuable than a currency you can just print out. I guess that makes you a thief that steals from us too since your dollar is backed by nothing but the machines that print it.

@musakazir5496 4 дня назад

Your being anti semitic 😂😂

@btbingo 4 дня назад

About a decade ago an orthodox man insisted that his sect was protecting the stare by studying holy texts. I said that so long as they studied along the border at their desks I saw nothing wrong with it. He was angry and said I was trying to get the seminary students killed. I asked why others need to be jeopardized and not the students. He said that God would protect everyone so long as the students kept studying. I said OK but let them study on the border. He became angrier.

@PrometheanRising 4 дня назад

It's almost like he knew that his deity won't lift a finger to protect him.

@horizonr639 4 дня назад

Then Let whole top israeli goverment official to do there work on border. You may not agree with his religious beliefs but your argument to refute his claim is nonsense.

@oleeb 3 дня назад

Superstition has no place in the modern world.

@Mer1912 3 дня назад

There are religious radicals everywhere, of all kinds. Beware and take care.

@Buzzby4020 3 дня назад

@@horizonr639 All of those old men have done their military service. It has been manditory in Israel since 1948. Rabin didn't wear an eyepatch because he was cosplaying a pirate.

@iLLSHiNEz 3 дня назад

It's a disgrace that they won't serve their country but want to use all of its resources.

@sandydog7449 День назад

Yes,they want to live in Israel,but don’t want to fight for it

@ayoobdulla8173 20 часов назад

Correction...The resources belong to Palestinians .

@SalfRaettele 20 часов назад

@@ayoobdulla8173 🤡

@iLLSHiNEz 20 часов назад

@@ayoobdulla8173 the resources belong to GOD

@AsdfGhjkl-bd5mh 19 часов назад

@ayoobdulla8173 find Palestine on a map

@louisvillaescusa 3 дня назад

They're showing themselves to be total cowards.

@richardmiddleton4634 4 дня назад

I think the ultra orthodox will start having a change of heart and not be so hawkish when their kids can die in combat too.

@DaxBruce-kv4vf 4 дня назад

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@amitsunoko7270 4 дня назад

Hawkish?

@kathibaba7665 4 дня назад

It isn't their kids so why discuss the hypotheticals.

@lastsong7159 4 дня назад

@@amitsunoko7270 war hawk

@user-lf2jh2ru9f 4 дня назад

Combat? They just don't want their children to be war criminals.

@mikeprice5838 4 дня назад

It's an existential hypocrisy

@monkeytimesmagazine3725 4 дня назад

So they want to start wars but not fight in them?

@georgesmith5201 3 дня назад

They're professional freeloaders. They don't accept Israel as a state, but they accept government benefits and protection from the IDF.

@jewittm 4 дня назад

So they are pro war but anti serving?

@johnc3525 4 дня назад

Not all, Mea sharim are against zionism.

@howlinwulf 3 дня назад

Na they just want free stuff without lifting a finger. Work or labor is a sin. Jesus was a carpenter.

@wendybird1824 3 дня назад

@@johnc3525 mea shearim are a crazy cult

@oleggold 3 дня назад

@johnc3525 Mea Shaarim are radicals who aren't the majority in the orthodox community. And the majority of the orthodox community don't want to serve as it is not in their culture and they got used to not serving. A decade of serving and that norm will change quickly.

@James_300 2 дня назад

6:33

@ivanalvarado305 4 дня назад

They got too comfortable and they are acting like cowards

@Mandrew_ 4 дня назад

Not wanting to fight for an illegal apartheid states ongoing genocide against the real indigenous people of Syria Palestina.

@krishurlburt7375 4 дня назад

Faith comes first to many. The bravest thing to do is reject the draft.

@tdonovan6101 4 дня назад

@@krishurlburt7375 its not bravery to let someone else die to protect you and your family because you refuse to do it

@krishurlburt7375 4 дня назад

@@tdonovan6101 it's brave to do what you believe is right.

@tdonovan6101 4 дня назад

@@krishurlburt7375 not in all cases and this is one of the exceptions. Wanting someone else to give up their lives and freedom to protect your people but not be willing to do it yourself is cowardly.

@nickjohnson1424 3 дня назад

Yeah let me leech off society and ask for all the benefits and refuse to fight for it

@shookieckookie 4 дня назад

They thought they'd already have the United States wrapped up in it by this point.

@bivvystridents3752 4 дня назад

The average Haredi man is in such poor physical shape. Half won't make it through boot camp Cut their entire family's welfare payments if they won't serve.

@user-up9wo3nx7z 4 дня назад

If they are strong enough to riot they are strong enough for training.

@CB-ke7eq 4 дня назад

I'm picturing Kyle's super-jewy cousin from South Park 😂

@zackaryfrost 3 дня назад

a weak man is equivalent to a typical woman's strength. they are strong enough

@giljua6191 3 дня назад

If their men are in such physical shape now imagine their women.

@rosablume4346 3 дня назад

@@giljua6191well, they, the married ones, have to have kids all the time and work to earn their bread, at least to a degree, so I guess they are worn out but of a certain resilience

@RenegadeElite101 4 дня назад

“60.000 students are willing to go to jail” Very bold words from one who is clearly not in the crosshairs of going to jail.

@amitsunoko7270 4 дня назад

Bad things happen in Israel prisons, just ask innocent Palestinians.

@paulfletcher3998 4 дня назад

@@azcalon4690Was that meant to make any sense?

@joannamariaochoa6830 4 дня назад

They will want to do nothing and be supported even in jail, put in in forced labor.

@user-ki9iy7vs2q 4 дня назад

@@paulfletcher3998 asking the same question

@RenegadeElite101 4 дня назад

@@paulfletcher3998 If it was please let me know. I got nothing. Unless the point was all Palestinians are Arabs and European Arabs which is….something. Then a random gun is mentioned (but not the older Al-47’s but the somewhat newer ak-74’s….which were sold by Russian and Chinese wielders?? So many questions.

@sidehide1 4 дня назад

What a horrible part of the world to live in .

@antonioquesada-castro4925 День назад

some people call it hollly land, that damn thing is cursed 1000 times...

@gibrancaballero День назад

“The holy land”…is because is full of bullet holes

@corriehordyk3342 2 дня назад

They want all the benefits but do not want to pay for them.

@semprefidelis76 4 дня назад

I’m tired of these entitled people

@boossersgarage3239 4 дня назад

they are annoying at best....

@ChaseSanchez-ym6eb 4 дня назад

Nobody is more entitled than Americans, who sit in their house all day. And complain about other nations.

@howlinwulf 3 дня назад

Everyone is

@AZ-vu3wu 2 дня назад

Tired of this entitled country

@GaiatheSage 2 дня назад

look in the god-damned mirror. 😂

@lil----lil 4 дня назад

It's amazing how fast people change when THEY HAVE to fight the war themselves instead of others. "Freedom isn't Free." Get that into your head.

@takunveritas 4 дня назад

Seriously, can you imagine David or Joshua going like 'nah, I dont feel like fighting for the promised land'

@chrispeters4042 23 часа назад

Even the women get conscripted.........calling these guys men is a stretch

@cynymin6420 3 дня назад

Cancel their benefits. Tax payers shouldn’t be insulted like this. In normal times I understand why they were exempt, but these aren’t normal times and they are asking too much if everyone else and not giving enough back.

@third-eye2364 4 дня назад

They don't work also.. Govt should cancel their allowance

@EirikAmundsen 4 дня назад

They can protest violently, but not enlist for the army? Does not make sense.

@whiqeddik7615 4 дня назад

Weakness like that never makes sense

@amitsunoko7270 4 дня назад

You have to give them what they want, you don't want to be called anti-semitic.

@iwatchwithnoads7480 4 дня назад

Enlisting means sinning. They're taking a stance.

@EirikAmundsen 4 дня назад

@@iwatchwithnoads7480 Taking a stance against sin by sinning? Still makes no sense to me.

@iwatchwithnoads7480 4 дня назад

@@EirikAmundsen taking a stance against oppressors is not sinning.

@hanilov 3 дня назад

Weren't these the same people who blocked aid?

@franciscosoares2815 День назад

No those were the people from colonys and not wvery ultra ortodox is pro genocide

@alaakela 2 дня назад

When you are privileged equal treatment feels discrimination.

@CyborgZeta 4 дня назад

I don't understand. They don't accept the state of Israel, but they have politicians representing them in the Knesset, and they are able to live thanks to the security provided by the state of Israel. Can someone explain this to me?

@Steven_Edwards 4 дня назад

They don't accept an Israel with a Palestinian State. Unless the Greater Israel of the Bible is what exists they consider it sinful idolatry.

@wendybird1824 3 дня назад

cults be culting

@annyjones7228 3 дня назад

It's just hypocrisy. They don't want to fight in a region where fighting is necessary to preserve the status quo. Simple as that

@corriehordyk3342 2 дня назад

And money!!

@GreenHotDogz День назад

As long as they can sit comfortably in their throne of sloth, greed, and lust.. then they'll do whatever they can to never get off their high chair.

@maryhildreth754 4 дня назад

They seem entitled, from what I can tell.

@samueladler9752 3 дня назад

I just visited my cousin in May and he's in that community. He and his wife have 7 kids and the oldest is about 13 I think. They somehow pack all those kids into 2 small rooms in a run down apartment and they live on very little. I didn't notice any sense of entitlement. But there's definitely a lot of religious fervor in that house. I am still trying to understand their mindset and why they're so against serving in the military.

@supporter2023 3 дня назад

@@samueladler9752 They afraid, that his children be less religious.

@frey439 2 дня назад

The whole state is too just fyi.

@marzinaahmad8335 4 дня назад

Peace not war

@dorothymillay631 3 дня назад

Take away all their free benefits.

@militarymoments 4 дня назад

Freeloaders

@warlockpaladin2261 4 дня назад

You hear that sound? That's the world's tiniest violin. 🎻

@GotaComent 21 час назад

IMAGINE being such a coward to hide behind faith, INSTEAD, of rallying the courage to defend your family and females ...

@daghul4785 День назад

Fighting against your own countrymen in order to avoid fighting alongside them is wild.

@richardshaw6819 4 дня назад

a good reason to end the war, when things get real for everyone.

@NGBigfield 4 дня назад

I don't think so, since there will be other wars in the future, and they are gonna be a big majority in the future.

@richardshaw6819 4 дня назад

@@gheller2261 why label a distant brother as thy enemy, then we should expect them to view us by the same lens which they do. We are and have been the chosen people, it is up to us to show the grace of the neighborly commandments. To set the example for our distant brother to live up to

@user-ki9iy7vs2q 4 дня назад

@@gheller2261 come on the guy here is trying to promote peace

@notme943 4 дня назад

everyone wants it to end. but how so when they hate each other so much, any truce is only temporarily.

@Yesterdaywas17 4 дня назад

@@notme943how about If one came to another state And then The one who lived there Gets small part of his country While the settler gets most parts of the country Isn't that at least Bad for you Or else You think God Chose A secular state That was founded by an atheistss who doesn't even believe in the creator But the creator chose them Cause of their ethnicity and their forefathers Who were prophets.

@JimJones-gd2jy 4 дня назад

Someone else do it ! 😂 “I have lots of reading and meditation to do“

@jgp7414 4 дня назад

They dont agree with the war or war in general

@galgrunfeld9954 4 дня назад

They agree with the war, it's just that they think they're helping by praying @@jgp7414

@mikemainer3009 4 дня назад

@@jgp7414 Oh, bit they damn well believe in violence. Just ask and Palestian

@JamesJenkins-ce9wv 4 дня назад

You really think there meditating when 1,500 Hamas fighters with gliders invade their country😂 plus 3,000 has to draft….. ain’t no meditation💀

@vaterunser3879 4 дня назад

"We are different from anyone else that's why we all wear the same clothes"

@duncan.o-vic 3 дня назад

There is nothing secular about serving military and participating war. This is a question of ethics.

@HKim0072 4 дня назад

Wait, so the same people that are aggressively militaristic are...against serving in the military? Hmm...

@Uncommonsenses 4 дня назад

They have had free money for years, let them enjoy free housing, too.

@gunnarrundblad6846 3 дня назад

They won't feel the difference.

@KsksnRaRas 2 дня назад

What about Netanyahu's Son enjoying his vacation in USA😂😂😂😂😂😂

@rgittens22 4 дня назад

Maybe everyone should fight conscription

@StarLight-sl9ok 4 дня назад

No more handouts until they serve. Once the money is gone, watch how fast they’ll sign up.

@DaxBruce-kv4vf 4 дня назад

😂😂😂😂😂😂

@JamesJenkins-ce9wv 4 дня назад

The handouts should’ve been over😂 Israeli defense is so weak and cheap. How do you let Hamas tear down a huge border (which took time) and kidnap 500 people

@Memovox 4 дня назад

Netanyahu & Co. running out pawns.

@Ptrocles 4 дня назад

They really aren’t they’ve lost less than 200 since the beginning of their elective civilian massacre in Gaza, a quarter of which were lost to friendly fire.

@Memovox 4 дня назад

@@Ptrocles Less than 200 you claim..? The numbers game is pretty boring but if it brings you comfort, by all means carry on.

@Ptrocles 4 дня назад

@@Memovox oh you got bored of counting the dead, I take it your family is safe from the IDF

@Memovox 4 дня назад

@@Ptrocles No, most of us will hold the IDF to account for their crimes. So will history.

@gunnarrundblad6846 3 дня назад

@@MemovoxHistory will judge YOU. Severely!

@user-cu9zc7wz5u 3 дня назад

Draft Immediately !

@sygboe1 14 часов назад

Or, the rest of Israel should turn orthodox. Not sure what would happen after that.

@gj1234567899999 4 дня назад

It’s like asking the Amish to be conscripted to fight in America but if the Amish were 20% of the population.

@Steven_Edwards 4 дня назад

The Amish can be drafted for other services. Some of the greatest heros of WW2 refused to take up arms but were willing to enter combat to save their countrymen and drag them off the field of battle. Something tells me these guys are not even willing to go that far.

@gj1234567899999 4 дня назад

@@Steven_Edwards your confusing the Amish with the story of 7th day Adventist Desmond Doss who had a pacifist religion but served overseas in combat as a medic in WW2 but refused to use any weapons. The Amish never went overseas but did do forestry and hospital work stateside. 7th day Adventist have pacifist beliefs like the Amish but do not shun technology in the manner of the Amish.

@corriehordyk3342 2 дня назад

And on welfare!

@Kris-ib8sn 2 дня назад

There is less than 500,000 Amish with a roughly US population of 341 million Americans.

@TheAshleywiggins 2 дня назад

Amish are anti war.

@MarqueMyWords2442 4 дня назад

If they don't want to take any responsibility for the security of Israel, they are welcome to leave. Then they should not receive any social funds whatsoever. This situation is unsustainable as it is with the Haredim not having to serve and contribute to the society while wanting the benefits of living in Israel.

@nurrohmah2675 3 дня назад

Israel finally show their true colors, they want to live with someone else's expense.

@TheSmokeWatcher 21 час назад

And where are they supposed to go? Brooklyn??

@werner.x 4 дня назад

This society is sick to the bone.

@CJinMono 4 дня назад

No more sick than any other society that has religion at its core.

@ErthaRizas 4 дня назад

@@CJinMonoHallelujah!! So true!!

@amitsunoko7270 4 дня назад

@@CJinMonoyou mean in the name of religion. Some are just pretend religious, but are killers in sheep clothing. Zionism was also in the name of religion.

@gheller2261 4 дня назад

Your comment make no sense other than you wanted to say it as a display of your antisemitism.

@JamesWilliams-gp6ek 4 дня назад

@@gheller2261 Nope stop right there with that meaningless and way overused victim card. You can't be a cult religion and a government and then use cult religion as a get out of jail free card. When a government is committing genocide on another people it is sick to the bone. And one more note Palestinians are sematic peoples too. Try harder than that gheller.

@BG-sj7zh 3 дня назад

If they don’t fight they should leave Israel

@TT-bn3db 2 дня назад

Ultra Orrhodox worried they'll also have to get real jobs 😂

@tidusfantasy 4 дня назад

other People fought for their religious belief but they don’t have to fight? Who r they ? They also need to serve!!

@lu544 4 дня назад

They are too busy reading the good book and wasting time and not getting a proper job.

@moali8434 4 дня назад

I know few accept islam to avoid force enlisting

@Flickvids100 4 дня назад

They don't agree with the existence of israel. that rogue state is antisemitic.

@karimjr28 4 дня назад

Nobody fought for their religious beliefs.. IOF is fighting to maintain its colonization of the land and ethnically cleanse the nativ population

@wearebecomedeathstar2658 4 дня назад

Lol. If you make them serve when they're obligate passifists by religion you're not "fighting for their faith" you're destroying it.

@leticiaarbore2979 4 дня назад

Let me see if I understand… they can fight on a riot against the government but they won’t fight for their own land and people… 🤔

@user-jb5qp8rm3d День назад

I know, right?

@elmodelo101 День назад

That's because if they fight the government (peacefully) this time, then they can avoid going to a (deadly) war in the future. Plus, there's also the risk of losing all the free money the government gives them.

@petasmith6258 3 дня назад

So…they won’t fight for their country…but they’re happy to fight their own government?!?! They want to live their way of life…but don’t wanna fight those who are trying to destroy their way of life?!?! Religion just stumps me…

@User12347ejdj 3 дня назад

No one else is happy in their country. There are daily protests from the people for the crimes of Bibi.

@malignustotalis331 3 дня назад

If you don't protect your country you don't deserve to live in it.🎉

@PD55_ 4 дня назад

The majority of Israelis voted against ultra-orthodox dominance, which means a new non-Netanyahu government is necessary.

@manubande 4 дня назад

What Israelis and Palestinians need is a one state solution with a secular democracy where everybody has the same rights and benefits no matter which religion...

@jimjames4348 4 дня назад

@@manubande Like in Israel?

@Styphon 4 дня назад

@@jimjames4348They don't have that in Israel, other than superficially. Try being Palestinian with a non-citizen Arab spouse.

@jimjames4348 4 дня назад

@@Styphon Well a non-citizen wouldn't have the same rights as a citizen in any country would they? Especially from hostile nations that are known for terrorist attacks. All citizens regardless of religion have equal rights. Don't play with semantics to make them look bad. Tell the truth.

@josephhammen 4 дня назад

I would suggest they will not have a religion if they don't fight and preserve the Country!

@angelasoWA 4 дня назад

No military service then no voting allowed.

@EzekielDeLaCroix 4 дня назад

Service guarantees Citizenship

@wolfsupernova-fv4jd 4 дня назад

They also get subsidies and stipends, so half of the ultra orthodox don't participate in the workforce, hence they don't pay taxes either.

@takunveritas 4 дня назад

i wholeheartedly agree, women should be eligible for the draft.

@annmariedeignan2596 4 дня назад

Wait, I thought that Israel was a "shining bastion of democracy." That doesn't sound very democratic. People's right to vote should not be contingent on the willingness to sacrafice their life for their country.

@angelasoWA 4 дня назад

@@takunveritas women in Israel have mandatory service too.

@bman3794 3 дня назад

There are plenty of non combat roles they can fill. It is still serving their country when it calls them to defend their homeland.

@ws1814 4 дня назад

I mean conscription is a form of slavery.

@user-ru3ql6ji4p 4 дня назад

And protesting is not a secular way of life?🤔🤔

@elishmuel1976 4 дня назад

what's funny is that they are violent protests, like we see in pro-palestinian protests around the world. Religion is a joke.

@skaldlouiscyphre2453 4 дня назад

No. No it is not.

@TheSgtShade 4 дня назад

So they want other people to protect them and go into harms way for them, but they actually have the nerve to not pull their own weight.

@antonvrb1510 4 дня назад

I am struggling so very, very hard not to judge them. I do know for sure though that I would go fight and die if it comes to it. I've risked my life for much less than than the survival of Israel. I'm 46 and reasonably fit. Hit me up IDF if you can use me.

@whatilearnttoday5295 3 дня назад

It's not just that they want people to protect them. It's that they demand conflict.

@elmodelo101 День назад

That's a good question 😎👍. To answer that let me tell you something. They believe that studying (their holy books) and praying they protect their country, just like that 🤷‍♂️. So they believe that they are actually doing something and that's the reason they deserve to don't work and free money.

@fromthepeanutgallery1084 4 дня назад

Finally people have figured the numbers game. If they all protest there will not be enough room for them in jail.

@christianreynolds1324 День назад

I mean it seems fair. How do you use your neighbors as a privite army, with non of you willing to pitch in.

@theshadowofclouds 4 дня назад

so my taxes are being used for them to freeload? let them fight their own war over a lousy plot of land

@DeepDeepSouth День назад

You don't pay taxes

@paxundpeace9970 4 дня назад

Then they should oppose the war and not approve of it blindly.

@halil2867 4 дня назад

They are opposing the war already they demonstrated too many protest against the government for the war

@iwatchwithnoads7480 4 дня назад

They do. A lot of people in that area hang the PL flag from their windows

@MRrZero 4 дня назад

Conscription is eww

@lazchris66 4 дня назад

They are Israel citizen receiving benefits and protection, but they say they are not Israeli....pure privileged and selfishness.

@cowboybrooklyn 4 дня назад

If your war strategy depends on those guys, you've already lost the war.

@IVR68 4 дня назад

😂

@arturogonzalez6232 4 дня назад

My understanding is that up to this point they were very pro war because others were doing the fighting for them. They want to have their cake and eat it too

@wendybird1824 3 дня назад

its not about depending on them to win. its about them participating in everyday life beyond the bubble of the cult they created.

@OathfLouve 2 дня назад

Woooow.

@ferperez1524 4 дня назад

those who have privilegies will NEVER be willing to lose it

@Ripharamve 4 дня назад

Never thought about it like this wow

@LD-jb5zi День назад

This will be interesting to follow!

@lisaharvey9940 4 дня назад

Shame on them! They are cowards who wont fight for their own country in time of GREATEST need!

@elishmuel1976 4 дня назад

My friend's cousin came to visit in Canad from Israel. Said he was studying to be a rabbi so that he didn't have to go to the army. He drank, smoked and did drugs while he was here. He also suggested at one point that we jump a drug dealer to steal his drugs. 😆

@DaveSmith-pm2yq 4 дня назад

I spent time there. There are certainly delinquent youth. But I saw clearly they were a tiny minority.

@jacqueslee2592 4 дня назад

Are they not from Eastern Europe? Majority of them look Eastern European. They look from a different ethnic background from other Israelis who have darker complexion and look Middle Eastern.

@coleengoodell7523 4 дня назад

Stealing seems to have become mainstream with them. I guess the Ten Commandments never really sunk in on any real level.

@Tamarlane389 4 дня назад

Stealing is part of their culture

@elishmuel1976 4 дня назад

@@Tamarlane389 Your racism is preventing you from seeing my point: Religion is a scam

@freeheeler09 4 дня назад

Don’t want to serve their country or pay taxes? They should find a new country!

@genevieve4418 4 дня назад

Home in Germany and Brooklyn.

@muhammadm4582 4 дня назад

Eastern europe?

@LunarSkittles 4 дня назад

Their families have been there since before Israel. Their country is Palestine.

@muhammadm4582 4 дня назад

@@genevieve4418 🤣

@user-wv9uy8bi8d 4 дня назад

@@muhammadm4582 Palestine.

@tuomasholo 20 часов назад

You’re surrounded by enemies, I would consider it as your duty to serve.

@canadian97 4 дня назад

If their faith can stomach war, it can surely digest boot camp.

@leadinvestor247 4 дня назад

Well said

@OathfLouve 2 дня назад

Poignant, 💥💥💥

@billyponsonby 4 дня назад

Talk about majority Israelis unhappy with ultra orthodox dominance seems odd. If you don’t like extra patriarchal theocracy then the Middle East is not a place for you.

@frey439 2 дня назад

Lmao yes their society full of contradictions and cognitive dissonance.

@dodobono452 2 дня назад

So you want war but don’t want to fight in it cowards

@jt-mk2ur День назад

omg this video reminded me of my highschool friend!!! i hope she’s okay !( she was serving the last time i saw her post on social media !)

@bigd4561 4 дня назад

War is simply despicable. Do not blame them but you cannot benefit from a nation, expect it to protect you, and offer nothing.

@johnm.4947 4 дня назад

Why are they exempt in the first place?

@Owl-of-Minerva 4 дня назад

In the US, they're exempt as well. Same with Jehovas Witnesses. It's all about how one interprets scripture, really.

@Ripharamve 4 дня назад

Not just exempt, they get benefits for every kid from the government and have like 20 kods

@michaelfisher7170 3 дня назад

@@Owl-of-Minerva this special treatment needs to end in the USA as well.

@Owl-of-Minerva 3 дня назад

@michaelfisher7170 agreed. They're exempt from vaccinations as well. They're making Polio great again 🤣 The funny thing is scripture allows for scribes and priest to serve the military. King David rallied them to battle for Jerusalem.

@ArizonaAaron 21 час назад

If you benefit from the country’s economy, participation to keep it yours and safe should be mandatory for everyone.

@johnnyciantar День назад

This is like forcing vegetarians to eat meat.

@ashiau 4 дня назад

Extremists also exist in Israel 😨

@mabhodlelajj1195 4 дня назад

Atleast they don't kill other people while shouting religious chants

@laithmughrabi8990 4 дня назад

@@mabhodlelajj1195 they do. search "Wedding of hate", it's an example.

@Ch0sen1NE776 4 дня назад

@@mabhodlelajj1195You're right they tell other people to go do it🤣

@countbenjamin1442 4 дня назад

Yeah every major religion has an extremist group.

@Ahmed-oq3ug 3 дня назад

@@mabhodlelajj1195 Baruch Goldstein says hi

@Derpherppington 4 дня назад

they're ok for little girls to protect their grown hairy men though

@OathfLouve 2 дня назад

Wow. That was…. wow.

@OathfLouve 2 дня назад

Wow. That was … wow.

@aeoteng День назад

How ironic and selfish…appalling.

@gunnarrundblad6846 3 дня назад

Take away all their economic support!

@ehw8356 4 дня назад

Of course they want to keep it that way. Men pray and women work. What’s wrong with that lol? If they can violently protest then they are fighting so what’s the difference?