How Far Can You Go In BTD5 

I'm one of the few still doing it I think but I really love the game!

@@Phenomix I don’t think a BTD7 will come out lol considering all of the new BTD6 towers

​@@TornadoTrick in a q&a, ninjakiwi said he will not make a btd7 bc btd6 is all he wanted for this game, now he will just update it

@@Cibrasteyeah that might happen honestly but I think I’m ok with that. Maybe in many more years but who knows

Crazy innit

Good point bro they really added 2 of the best towers as exclusives lol

@@Phenomix every tower that was exclusive at some point: Dartling gunner & spike factory (introduced in btd 4 expansion pack, later added to btd 4) Engineer and bloonchipper (introduced in btd 5 deluxe, added to btd 5 when deluxe was discontinued) Engineer, Dartling gunner, Mermonkey (introduced to btd 6 in Thier respective updates)

​@jezierskioliwier2212 what about beast handler?

@@jonathantonner4263 sorry, i forgor

@jezierskioliwier2212 no prob! Just making sure my own memory hasn't messed up yet

17 Temples is insane though, and I'm glad you enjoyed, thanks for watching!

That is actually insane I guess there aren't any mods that can change that or anything either? I always assumed the game had something inefficient in terms of running a bunch of checks per second or something else but I'm far from being smart with that stuff lol

@@Phenomix Yeah, the inefficiency I passed over comes exactly from that The game checks every frame for if a tower has any Bloon in range And if a projectile is hitting a Bloon So every tower and projectile is demanding of multiple calculations, per frame. Now you're restricted to only one thread, and it is a disaster. And sadly no, there aren't any mods. I don't know of this, but I think the entire code depends on this, and you would need a complete rewrite to fix it, but I can say for certain. Edit: I suggest you watch the video of MackanRules that talks about this, it is very good and goes pretty in depth, but it stays easy to understand 👍

i feel like pointing this out is kinda stupid but nasa supercomputers arent really that good, they probably have the same strengh as the average computer.

@@Avice. Yeah, a NASA supercomputer is basically millions of average computers put together. Supercomputers are not about the power of the cores, but by amount. I think the best one in the world has like 10 million.

I hate seeing dev slander over single threading their games, if you made a game with single threading in mind it is unbelievably hard to reprogram that game to be multithreaded without basically programming the game from scratch again. For BTD games I believe adding multithreading would break so many things since you can't just split up the threads of what causes the most lag, sure you could do rendering, and whatever other functions on another thread, but the heaviest load is still going to come from hit detection, which cannot be run on seperate threads as easily as people imagine without introducing a stupid amount of bugs. The architecture would need to be completely overhauled which may be something the could do with a new game, but not in its current state. I see a lot of people screaming "multithreading" without even knowing what it cam and can't do. TL:DR: Multithreading will 1. Not improve the game as much as people think unless you 2. Overcomplicate the way code is run and introduce way too many bugs to be worth it

That's a great point, Ninja Kiwi really did a great job

I didn't know he made it to round 1k that must have been insanely difficult back then. Hats off to him!

Thank you for letting me know! I wasn't aware of that record

​@Phenomix before that (also in the nk discord) it was 2728.

Apparently you mentioned this lol. Didn't realize he had a vid about it.

Thank you so much for the kind words! It really means a lot that you've seen the channel grow the last 2 months

I definitely try to at least read every comment, even if I don't always have a good reply to respond with. I appreciate you noticing that! Playing on the Switch definitely doesn't sound ideal though, I think that BTD5 and 6 are coded inefficiently (according to another comment I got) so they don't even run optimally on high end computers let alone a console version.

@@Phenomix when you start off with low end products, you don't know how bad they are. At least when I did play I had fun, not knowing the difference. And yes it lags after 150.

Ray of Doom "only" does one damage every frame, and freeplay's MOAB speed and hp increase eventually make it so that the ZOMGs get to the exit in less frames than they have hp (for example, if they'd get to the exit in 4000 frames, they would only need 4001 hp to make it to the end). Some form of MOAB stun becomes an absolute requirement past round 200, no matter what map or difficulty you're playing on; its why the bloonchipper with the workshop is the best tower, after the temple.

nah ray of doom is terrible against zomgs even with infinite pierce.

I'm thinking I could maybe do a couple more installments of this video for the other games and then do a final video with them all together

I think btd 4 has a round limit of 255

The limit on btd6 is 1000+(no joke, with the custom map ofc)

Well btd1 and 2 have no freeplay, and btd3 I heard has a cap of 150. BTD4 it’s just 255 like someone mentioned above

The max theoretical limit with no caps would be the 32 bit integer limit

I actually did have a 2,4 village in the center, I think I just didn't mention it which is my bad

Aye man thanks for saying that!

Thanks! I really appreciate you being such a long term supporter

btd 5 content is so underrated

Thanks!

How did you get the Moab png?

@@MorganEllisYTi subbed to his membership. 99 cents a month! Lol

Yessir

@@Phenomix I’m literally watching one of your vids on my tv while in bed

We don't have the VTSG in BTD5 though 😅

@@Phenomix The ability makes it look like it.

Ultra-late game

For some reason the cover art for BTD5 features those graphics

They only have 1-3m each cause their damage doesn't get counted in this game. If damaged counted it would be over 10 billion

Yep, they begin increasing in HP once you enter freeplay mode on round 101

I have a Lenovo Slim Pad 7i, been the best laptop I've ever owned by far but also the most expensive by far

That's insane! It takes forever to get that far for sure

That's pretty amazing that Ray of Doom can go that far tbh

Once I get a steam copy ima see how fair that same strategy can really go

Can I see an image? Because I doubt ray of doom can make it that far

It was just because I ended up changing my experiment to see how far I could go without abilities once I realized how much further other people have gone by using better strategies than me

You can switch them in the middle of a game just not in the middle of a specific round

That's a good question, I'd also have to turn off premium upgrades then

That's insane!

Someone got to round 3000, it’s on the ninja kiwi BTD 5 discord

For real lol it is really funny

That's so funny to think about lol I've seen the old leaderboards on the Flash Archive and it's a similar story. I'm surprised the game didn't stop them at the 32 bit integer limit or something though

That's really awesome to know, thanks for telling me! It might be possible for me to get there at some point if I ever feel so inclined.

That's really funny I've never had someone tell me that before but I'll have to check out his videos now.

@@Phenomix It's almost uncanny how similar both of you sound to each other. Must be a small world

Nvm, I just realised you went for no abilities

The ice and glue also can't affect MOAB class bloons in this version which is pretty crazy

It really makes the game go from insanely difficult to trivially easy I can't lie

Thanks for informing me!

Mackan also made a video covering the limits of BTD4 so this game seemed to be the perfect choice, thanks for watching!