How far would Saitama get in Dragon Ball? (ONE PUNCH MAN) 

His ass would likely reflect it at objects and say "oh shit, free food source"

Or maybe just use his Super breath to reverse it like Skinny Buu/Grey Buu did.

100% agree. That's exactly how it would be written

he wouldnt be strong enough@@anthonyagureyev307

The fact that Saitama managed to hold those spatial portals made by Garou using his bare hands during the cosmic garou fight, only proves that he's able to reflect Buu's candy beam.

In his first form lol

Boros is star level not planet surface level, tf?

@@hollow3450 the databooks state that the "Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon" would wipe out the earth's surface. Not destroy the whole thing. There is a difference.

@@Zeziliath Yes, there is a difference. And the databook states the collapsing star roaring canon can destroy a star. So in other words, the sun and not just a planet. It's been confirmed that boros wearing his suppresing armor is already planatery. It's been confirmed by one that he is star level too already. It's a mistranslation and misconception 5hat ge can only destroy the planet or it's surface with the attack.

@@hollow3450 Untrue, your version has the mistranslation. But lets say im wrong on this, then it would still be absolutely stupid to compare boros to Frieza. IF the collapsing star roaring cannon, his ultimate attack, can in fact destroy a star, he would still be NOWHERE NEAR frieza. That aswell, frieza can do with a finger. Perhaps in his first form still too.

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he would end up being a side char with Goku and Xeno while they all go have fun breaking universes all to make Xeno laugh

@@AggronorZeno with a Z Unless you are referring to db heroes or xenovers

​@@AnEnjoyerofRU-vidchildish db fanboys 😏☕

He isn't very bright, so he could probably be tricked. Just pray he never finds out

We seen saitama kick away a portal he probably could disintegrate buu by punching lol

didn't you hear? saitama gave up fighting monsters. now he's into fighting women that are half his size and have half of his strength. 🤢🤮

Definitely not. honestly I think Cell could win it’s the same argument with buu except he gets stronger every time he dies

​@@Stunt877 he kicked he didnt destroy it

​@@user-qr2vf8ue7o is it is it really

😳 wtf!? you can appreciate a character that tried to bully and intimidate a woman? sound twisted. 🤢🤮

@@fitnessstuff915 what?

@@nicholasgraham8703 didn't you hear? saitama's into fighting women now. he's getting just like goku and vegeta who used to beat up little children. 🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮

@@fitnessstuff915nigga what💀

@@fitnessstuff915 Firstly I said I appreciate the view of the creator of the video. Secondly, what? Are you ok?

Even if he gained like he wouldn’t destroy everybody cuz he would just be another dbz character(a muscle brain like he already is).Most dbz characters have no good hack so no he wouldn’t

Remember he is a human this race is very weak compared to frieza’s Race or saiyan race

​@@Xeno1_3He's an evolved human because his limiter is broken

​@@yikebot_5525that is not evolving that is adapting and awakening

@@binay413963 The lore of Saitama's character is that he is literally an evolved human because he broke his limiter

Well... in a battle he WAS just some joke for Saitama... He literally didn't do any damage to him, Saitama didn't even care about how Garou will punch. I will be honest... throughout some time, it even gets at some ponit sad, that this is a whole meaning of one punch man main character (although I'm still love him ^^).

that was fought with one hand so still not a great way to scale him

@justanormalguy1840 well Goku fought fused Zamasu with just his legs and was overpowering him

@@Raio-Ken6096 that's zamasu not black

@justanormalguy1840 it was the combined power of Goku Black and Zamasu (hence called fused Zamasu) I don't understand your point here lol

Plus his nucleus doesn't matter too much as in other dragon ball stuff like games manga's he can change the position of his nucleus and in other material he can regenarate all the time even if there is just one atom or cell left.

@@MasterTemplar781 english dub cell would definitely solo with that martian man hunter type regeneration lol

Assuming that just by sheer luck Saitama never happens to hit Cell's nucleus, when he eventually regenerates enough times to catch up to Saitama, Saitama's growth can just leave him in the dust without the requirement of needing to recover from near death. Cell would never surpass him.

@Supreme_Court. blud forgot sayians have the same thing 💀

@@bedrocksmasher6v964 No they don't, and even if they did Cell still doesn't. His boost came from a zenkai after near death.

Yea he’s dumb

Yeah I find that scaling fair aswell. I'm sure he would evolve during the fight though and somehow surpass Buu. But if we take current Saitama I think somewhere around the Buu saga is totally a fair pick

@@ijudgeanime Why would saitama even need to exert himself or evolve against a character who can be injured by a mere rock? Honestly, I have no clue how power scaling works in the dragon ball universe. I mean, there's that dragon ball super episode where goku fights beerus, and it's just plain baffling. How can you "almost destroy the universe" but end up destroying only a few planets, leaving everything else unscathed? And the whole "chain reaction" thing just sounds like cosmological gibberish. I get that anime isn't always realistic, but dialogue lines that are pure nonsense shouldn't be considered as evidence for power scaling. In one punch man, things are refreshingly straightforward. Statements and feats are consistently taken seriously, unlike in dragon ball. Some claim that buu could effortlessly reduce saitama to dust, but that notion seems absurd if you've watched one punch man. Saitama can withstand attacks that obliterate countless stars (galaxies) and remain completely unfazed. He can hop from one planet to another in mere seconds and move at light speed just by, well, farting. His speed is mind bogglingly fast, allowing him to create hundreds of after images simultaneously at the same time. His sneeze alone could destroy multiple earths and he can punch through spiritual spaces, bathe in lava, breathe in space without oxygen and casually handle hyperspace portals as if they were nothing. The thing is, saitama always comes out of fights without a scratch, not even realizing when he's faced with planetary level attacks. Considering these feats, it's abundantly clear how absurdly powerful this character is. Can you even imagine how much more insane his feats could get when he goes up against god? Regardless of words or assumptions, we should base our assessment on what's evident, not just favoritism. It's all about logical thinking and it's evident that saitama would come out on top in a battle against buu.

@@ace5759 "It's all about logical thinking " You say that but you can't even do that yourself. Unless you see something big go boom, it seems you would just dismiss it. How would you show a character destroying an infinite sized realm? You can't. You can show a character destroy a thing, but without a bit of text stating it is as such, it would just be a vauge feat. This goes to show how much stronger goku is than saitama. Because saitama only destroy things we have in real life, like planets or stars. But characters in dragon ball, are shown or stated to destroy universes and dimensions, putting them at 4D levels of power, or more than infinitely stronger the anything in OPM. To say "dialogue lines that are pure nonsense shouldn't be considered as evidence for power scaling" is literally ignoring like half of the shit you see in fiction. You need statements to really get anywhere, just because you don't like them dosen't mean its not true. As long as said statement comes from a reliable source and is not contradicted, its fine. Because then you have evidence, and to debunk said evidence, you would need to prove its false by one of the ways I mentioned earlier. And in dragon ball you have the narrator, a character beyond the show that comments on everything that happens, to give context, hence a reliable source. A when the sky is breaking apart because buu screams, or when he breaks out of a room separate from the regular universe, its clear than he scales to such levels. And Vegito, the strongest character at that time, is the only one who can then fight him, meaning its not contradicted that he is that strong. Heck even perfect cell has statments from the narrator that he has infinite battle power, meaning saitama would not even get past the cell saga. Not to mention speed. Which if you do any basic math (im guessing you cant) you would find that dragon ball characters are stupid fast. Saitama would be like a statue by like mid Z. And dragon ball characters as ki attacks and the likes, meanwhile saitama can only really punch stuff, so on multiple aspects he would be lesser. Saitama is impressive yes, and is writen to be strong, but when you compare him to characters outside his verse, don't be surprised when he dosen't scale. And yeah this is a late reply, but stuff you say on the internet stays there.

Exactly That's what i am talking about Saitama gets killed without any sweat by Buu Buuhan Was Damaging Entire Dimension of Living Realm and probably two Realms And its Bigger feat than anything else Saitama shown in the Manga

As shown with Tatsumaki Saitama just isn't effected by psychic powers and whatnot due to a strong will power, the beam is either bouncing off, turning his clothes into candy, or atmost tickling Saitama

@@yikebot_5525 it isn’t psycic powers it’s a techny

@@Ontoideanumber5 that doesn't change anything

@@yikebot_5525 it’s magic not psychic powers did you forget dbz has a magic system

Where did he get hurt? The only thing garou hurt was his costume

​@@user-qr2vf8ue7othose are just debris, you can see the same exchange at the end of chapter 167. Also Saitama is unfazed In the next panel. Garou even states that Saitama is worries about his costume

i think his more like android saga but respect your opinion

@@user-qr2vf8ue7o Nah, look through the manga and find times when characters are hurt. Blood is very clearly illustrated as a liquid and stays on the character afterwards, it's not just a quick puff of particles and nothing else. You can even see what it looks like when Saitama is hurt in his dream and a couple flashbacks. The particles in 167 are from Garou's shell or Saitama's spit, and neither mean he got hurt. Saitama got physically knocked back by Carnage Kabuto and Boros as well, it meant nothing.

​@@user-qr2vf8ue7o Yeah he was actually flung more than with Garou. Cosmic Garou only launched Saitama when they had the punch trade on earth and shot into the ocean, when Saitama took Garou's whole combo on Io, and when they had the punch trade in question. Knocked his head back twice and sent him flying a little ways twice. Boros was knocking his head all over the place and launched him to the moon. Saitama or any part of him being physically moved has never indicated damage, and the obvious illustrations used for blood which are meant to illustrate damage were never used for him. Saitama finally taking actual damage would be an enormous plot point, probably the most important moment of the series, and you think it was shown in one vague panel with zero mention or indication of it after?

so kid buu doesn't?

thats not what he said tho, he said I whole heartedly believe whis could beat saitama

​@@DonDon-gy3qg kid Buu is weaker than buuhan

Yeah I like his videos but his logic for the candy beam was awful 😂. If I remember correctly vegito was only able to move in candy form was because of the potara? I could be remembering that wrong though so feel free to correct me

@@aubergineman8751 It was stated to be a unique ability exclusive to Vegito, so whether that's because Vegito was stated to be the perfect fighter or because of Portara is up to debate. Though it is a common misconception that you can fight as candy by just being strong. That's not the case, Vegito had an ability for that.

Saitama is someone who removed his limiter all together, according to Doctor Genus. If that's literal or true, Saitama is meant to be "limitless". Of course, that doesn't necessarily mean he is already infinite in everything. But there are hints of that being true: 1. Saitama doesn't follow the rules of logic all the time. He's been shown entering a spiritual realm that doesn't exist in the real world by punching through its "sky"...what? He also grabs and moves a hyperspace portal that is supposed to be impossible to interact with, even for Cosmic Garou. 2. Saitama's serious mode isn't really serious. Saitama himself says that his "killer moves" are nothing special as he can normally kill all his enemies with one punch. 3. You can't say Saitama caps at Galaxy level, as he himself isn't even impressed after making a literal hole in space (Garou himself says Saitama was literally unfazed by what happened). 4. Saitama saying "I can let loose, at full power, against someone who can stand up" doesn't mean he's using his full power against Garou. Saitama meant that he can fight freely without worrying about people and buildings around him getting damaged. If we assume Saitama was using 100% of his power, how can he blow a hole in space with a serious punch, while holding back, but when he doesn't hold back, he can't even blow up Jupiter's Moon with his punches? The statement clearly contradicts itself. 5. In a bonus chapter, a training Saitama (who didn't remove his limiter yet and still had his hair) was beaten to a pulp by a Tiger Level Monster. About 5 seconds after his defeat, however, he got up all smily and casual and then punched a big hole in the same Monster's face. This shows a far weaker Saitama being able to grow way stronger than his already superior opponent in seconds. And that version of Saitama still had his limiter on. Just think of what today's "limitless" Saitama can do compared to that. 6. Saitama's exponential rate of growth we saw in the Garou fight isn't a good depiction of how fast Saitama can truly grow during a battle. This comes from Saitama saying to Garou that the whole point of their fight is to let the latter copy and surpass his serious mode. This proves Saitama wasn't even trying or willing to grow stronger than before. He wanted and waited for Garou to become superior to him. The chapter explains that Saitama's growth was triggered by an "upsurge of emotion", meaning he was growing dozens to hundreds of times stronger in microseconds unintentionally and subconsciously. Now think of Saitama ACTUALLY having the intention of becoming stronger. 7. Saitama can easily copy and improve upon both Garou's martial arts (like the chop that Garou used to cut cage centipede in half) and the techniques that were made possible only through God's power, like his time travel ability. 8. Saitama himself doesn't understand or know how his power truly works. From his perspective, he just did a decent workout for 3 years and that was enough to make him too strong. He often tells people to try out his workout and even thinks it's going to have the same effect on them. This means we can't really trust the limitations Saitama gives to his power. 9. Saitama's adaptability is very high. He once became able to bathe in lava in seconds. In the Garou fight, he learned to breath in space while in the Boros fight he couldn't. 10. Saitama hasn't taken damage yet. All instances of the manga kinda showing him being injured have been debunked by fans and the narrative of the story: Saitama doesn't ever get impressed or react to "his damage" in the way we know he would react (how he reacted in his dream against the subterraneans) In other words, current Saitama caps somewhere we don't know yet, in both power and potential growth (if he really caps anywhere in the first place). Current feats aren't truly close to pinpointing Saitama's level Even if you haven't been convinced by the hints above, Saitama has been confirmed to be a gag character by both the writer and the artist of the manga (ONE explains the opm webcomic is a gag story and Murata said "yes" when asked if Saitama is a gag character)

@@gio.gionosakan I agree with the way how ONE describes a gag character, not the majority of the fanbase’s take of a gag character. In chapter 160 monster garou smacks saitama’s face where he tells Tareo ‘Don’t worry. He can’t hurt me.’ Fast forwarding to chapter 165 after garou goes saitama mode and after they connect with the consecutive normal punches saitama comes out the water and literally says ‘and I went and made a big deal about telling that kid I wouldn’t get hurt.” The context is clearly set in stone brother. But some stans are so much in denial some legitimately sit here and say ‘oh well i don’t count that as damage.’ Saitama isn’t gonna sit there and say “I may have finally gotten what I wished for…” for an opponent that can’t damage him. That makes zero sense. The conversation he had with the kid. Saitama went out of his way to show the kid that Garou could not hurt him by taunting him into attacking him. Which Garou did right in the face. Saitama did that to prove in front of the kid that Garou couldn't hurt him. Now fast forward the moment Garou went into Saitama mode and gave Saitama a taste of his own medicine Saitama said and I quote "AW, MAN...AND I MADE A BIG DEAL ABOUT TELLING THAT KID I WOULDN'T GET SCRATCHED" Saitama is referring to the convo he had with the kid. Him saying AW, MAN..AND I MADE A BIG DEAL ABOUT TELLING THAT KID I WOULDN'T GET HURT” Is Saitama admitting that he took damage. I'm getting tired of you people asking when did he say he got hurt when it's clear as day when he said it. Your argument is literally this in a nutshell: “oh well it doesn’t look like he took damage.” “If saitama took damage he would’ve made a big deal about it.” “I don’t see any blood so therefore he didn’t take any damage.” “He’s just dirty like he’s always been.” “Oh he’s a gag character.” You people use all of these excuses to override the actual context of the conversation Saitama had with Monster Garou and Tareo. Sitting here talking about it can be interpreted a certain way when it’s made clear as day that it’s talking about actual damage. You cannot go by consistency of drawings. People who say “oh he doesnt look damaged” is pure speculation. When Saitama gets copied by Garou for the first time, his face is covered in dirt. Fast forward when he kicks the portal away and socks garou in the face, the dirt in his face is completely gone. Next panel: when saitama flips the portal, the dirt is back on his face. Fast forward when Saitama farts to earth, not a smidge of dirt is seen in his face. There is no dirt in sight. The drawings are so inconsistent. so when people sit here and say “oh but theres no scratches covering his body and hes not bleeding” yall become so desperate to convince you and other people that this man didn’t take damage that yall are overlooking how inconsistent that way of thinking is when Murata isn’t even being consistent with the dirt on his face. you’re relying on inconsistent visuals to discredit Saitama bragging to the kid that he wouldn't get hurt and then later on admitting Garou was actually able to hurt him even though he made a big deal that he wouldn't be able to. *if you don't agree with the actual context of the conversation, provide proof of what the context actually is. Don't just give me your opinion talking about some “I don't think he took damage because of x y and z”* Provide proof of the correct context of the conversation that's being addressed. That’s the entire point he didn’t make it a big deal but he did take damage. Too much of the fandom thinks that Saitama is supposed to make a huge deal out of taking *MINOR* damage and *THAT’S* the problem here. *why would Saitama overreact and get excited from a measly scratch? Even when Saitama admitted that he finally found a worthy opponent he still wasn’t excited.* You people are ignoring Saitama’s *actual* reaction to this. And you’re trying to override that with your very own headcannon you got up in your head that he supposed to be excited and all that extra while blatantly ignoring his *actual* reactions. You got this image on how Saitama would react to damage, you got this image on how Saitama is supposed to look when he’s finally damaged, or how he’s supposed to be excited when he finally gets his wish, all of these images you’ve got up in your head are pure headcannon and these are the actual reactions that we get wether you like it or not but since they don’t fit your narrative, you’re dismissing the correct translation. Your pov is that you’re just too biased to look at this information for what it is and you’re flipping what’s actually being said and shown to fit your narrative. He was unfazed by the full power of the serious punch squared because he wasn’t suppressed during the time like he was when he admitted to being damaged. When fans claim “Saitama didn’t even go full power in the serious punch squared” Then why did he say he may have finally gotten what he wished for? He said it because he thought he could take care of Garou with the serious punch because he went all out so much to the degree where the same saitama who holds back collateral damage of his punches to protect earth or people around him did not care about destroying the earth so much to the degree where Blast was forced to redirect the wave created by their full powered clash. Right before Garou kills genos he said “That bald guy still wasn’t giving his all. But now I can copy his full strength and defeat him. I need to make him get serious…” That was why he killed Genos, to make him get serious and copy his full power that he would have never reached if it wasn’t for that copy ability so clearly he had to get it out of saitama. If Garou wouldn’t have copied Saitama’s serious punch, he would have obviously died. Not only this, but this serious punch was different seeing how it’s the narrator saying that, not Saitama. He’s not making it up like he did with Boros, things have changed DRASTICALLY in this chapter… It baffles me how people don't pay attention to the actual context of what's going on. because when a character face goes black like that in other fictions they have completely snapped with anger. Take gon from Hunter × Hunter as a prime example when he was fighting against that Chimera ant. His face went completely black from Pure rage and he mustered up all of his power. Seriously, Garou stating “at this rate, one of these punches are going to kill me” is a clear indicator that this man saitama did NOT care about tareo’s promise during the brief moments where he had the black face.

@@gio.gionosakan Do you know “whygiveup11”?

Buu can regenerate from Any attack If his One Molecule left Saitama turns into candy That's it.

​@alibeknorbekov5963 Oh, so why didn't buu turn vegito into candy? Oh wait, he did. And it didn't work.

@@Zero2HeroX Magic and Ki, Vegito is Magical Fusion of Goku and Vegeta, they have Really strong ki and maybe also its cuz of Magic too, and cuz of that Vegito didn't turned into Fully Turned into Candy, his Powers stayed and he became even more dangerous Its not that hard to understand Think before answering ok?

@user-qr2vf8ue7o if being stronger than buu is all you need to resist his magic, then it wouldn't affect saitama, maybe you should get some critical thinking skills and some bitches while you're at it.

@@alibeknorbekov5963saitama will just reflect the beam with his shiny head 😂

Everyone is free to have their own opinion, but based on Saitama's current level, he was scaled very poorly. Even if you don't take the Dragon Ball cosmology into consideration (which makes DB characters completely and utterly absurd.), Saitama is already getting hit butt handily kicked by the Buu saga. People mention his power growth all the time. In fact, they very commonly use many incorrect assumptions about it, to try to scale Saitama higher than he actually is. Such as saying that the growth is based on the power of his opponent (which it has nothing to do with), or wanking the speed of his growth (which his exponentially increased growth might put him up to a conservative estimate for current DB character growth.).

@@ikeillue8385 he has limitless potential with an adaptive growth rate.

@@nicholas-dv1mg He does have limitless potential, but so does essentially every shonen character ever created. Saitama is not special on that front. He doesn't have an adaptive growth rate though. He has 2 canon levels. There is his normal growth rate, which the manga describes as something that he just naturally has at all times (which is an incredibly slow rate, compared to Dragon Ball character's growth. Not even worth bringing up.). Then he has his exponentially increased growth, which happens in response to an extreme surge of emotion.

@@ikeillue8385 not in the same way that saitama does, every action that he does makes him grow stronger, while there normally is a cap which is at the end of the story in which their growth stops or slows down by countless times because they reached and surpassed the peak of their verse, but saitama has far surpassed the peak of his verse and will always growth further. that's what we call adaptive, something happens and he grows in response to it, it's also basic human biology to grow in respond to stimuli, but of course the human body has a limit on how much it can grow and how much stimuli it can handle, but saitama's doesn't, it's why even when the stimuli decreases as his workouts and fighting become easier, he still grows the same amount or even more than before, to the point that he can destroy his past self in one punch.

@@nicholas-dv1mg Wrong. Its in the exact same way Saitama does. Limitless just means that you will never reach a point when your power can't increase any further. This is true of basically every Shonen character ever created. Also no, his growth has absolutely nothing to do with the actions he does. Its a natural growth that just happens, and that growth can be increased with a powerful enough emotional trigger. Correct, normally there is a cap at which time growth stops. However, as I said, Shonen characters do not have that cap. So long as they train/fight/exercise/whatever else they do (or just naturally grow in Saitama's case), they will always grow stronger. This is literally one of, if not the single most common tropes in Shonen anime. Saitama is not special for having no limits. Sort of. Adaptive growth generally implies that you are adapting to the environment, or some other physical factor, as well as it generally assumes a spectrum, which is untrue in Saitama's case. Saitama's "adaptive growth" is a binary (its either active or not), and its based on an exceptionally strong surge of emotion. Sure, you can consider that adaptive growth if you want to, as you could squint and say that he is adapting to the surge of emotion. But again, adaptation generally implies something physical in nature that the body is overcoming, which is not what happens with Saitama.

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​@@ijudgeanimeonce again thank you I appreciate this video you right lol I think saitama kills dragon ball super

That's what unbeatable means

@@siwarsaidbouabidi5770 in his own show

@@siwarsaidbouabidi5770 outside of his show he’d lose to a lot of people

@@mrsceptile170using that logic Popye is supposed to be unkillable in his own show does that means he could be killed in different shows?

@@Onesinglepickle yes ?

"His best feat was multi solar, but after his extremely rapid exponential growth he probably got to multi solar at a highball" Yeah makes perfect sense

@@Supreme_Court. Nope, out of context, I said his best feat is multi solar and then I explained that it was him growing as fast as possible

@@reapereditss._am Out of context what? His growth was after that feat

@@Supreme_Court. I was explaining how even growing as fast as possible, he only ends up multi solar

@@reapereditss._am But that wasn't as fast as possible, and you're talking about a feat from before the growth

buu would just make him into chocolate lol

​@@DonDon-gy3qgThis couldn't be anymore true.

Saitama can breathe in space though. Not to mention that his reverse causality punch has a speed scales to irrelevant or lowball of immeasurable speed, because it is garaunteed to land regardless of how fast anybody is. As stated in rmthe manga “landed before it was thrown” And something moving above an infinite speed carries above and infinite amount of strength So I think he would make it past ToP and since I will assume he doesn’t use ki, the Moro arc as well. Granola arc is a breeze, and he most likely steamrolls gas. Now black frieza may be on par with such speed but that’s a different discussion

@@CKT47 Types of drugs are you on?

@@DonDon-gy3qg You are yet to prove me wrong

Boros is just fodder compared to Freeza and their characters are way different from each other

@@Aryan_AranNot so sure. Fan of dragon ball but Boros absolutely dogs frieza in the namek arc. Boros is solar system level at best while namek frieza is namek size planet levels of strength. He is never stated to be able to destroy a galaxy or star or anything like that

@@SAGE_EDITS_1 where do you get boros to solar system? High balled he's star level but being generous he's planetary 😂 and Freeza in 1st form is already dwarf star level or lowballed large planetary and in his final form he's 240 times his 1st form and is already above large star level again mid balled, so boros high balled doesn't stand a chance against Freeza 😂😂

@@Aryan_Aran Wgere you getting these calculations from namek Frieza has never been shown to destroy a stat you can’t assume he could because dbz as a whole has too many anti feats and inconsistencies

@@Stunt877 where did I get this calculation for Freeza? It's common physics coz to destroy a planet with 10times Earth's gravity would require energy equivalent to destroying a dwarf star and Freeza did that feat in his 1st form which is over 200 times weaker than his final form so use some common sense Also where are the anti feats?🤨 Tell me 😒

Low Buu Saga meaning the SS2 characters? That's pretty much how I scale him as well. Wait... if he's Uni you'd put him mid-buu-saga? How so? The only Uni claim in that saga is from Buuhan, and it's anime only.

@@marinomele4575 the uni feats are from the many statements that kid buu will destroy the universe and tho it’s not canon he actually destroyed a whole timeline in xenoverse In the dragon ball universe there are multiple timelines so goku ki going super saiyan 3 reached or shock the whole universe (his timeline space) and goku got way stronger in the buu saga

@@anime_world6684 No man... don't trust wanked arguments online. I swear they're the reason why DB fans have such a bad rep in the scaling community. The full quote here is Shin actually saying Kid Buu is a threat to the universe, not that he can blow it up in one go, as he "wiped out hundreds of planets in just a few years". Wich Vegeta thinks is not that impressive btw. We're given more context later on, when Goku and Vegeta fight. Here we find out Goku is "at least stronger than Gohan was back then" - Since Gohan was arguably a x2 Solar System Buster. Goku is 4 times that as SS3. Bare minimum. About SS3, Old Kai feels his Ki. Sure. But Goku can sense the Namekians Ki from Earth as well... Are Namekians Galaxy-Level or something? Nope. Ki can be sensed from afar, apparently. And SS3 is truly a force to be reckond. The actual feat - as Tien says - is SS3 shaking the whole Earth. (this doesn't mean Goku is just planetary) Still aboout Goku: at no point in the Buu Saga Goku got any stronger as it's never mentioned, not implied, nor shown, nor anything else. Lastly, we know Kid Buu is as strong as SS3 Goku. Meaning they're both around that Solar System x8-ish. Considering how an axplosion that can potentially blow up 8 Solar Systems is actually not enough to literally destroy more then one at once (because of the many lightyears in between) - Kid Buu needs to travel from one system to another to destroy the planets. Hence why, "hundreds of planets in just a few years".

​@@marinomele4575No, that's a common misconception, the SSJ3 instance has nothing to do with sensing Ki, power=/=Ki, and this has been explained many times in the story. On the contrary, his power reaching the Kaioshin Realm is said in the story to be something completely unbelievable to the Kais, even though they can sense far weaker Kis to/from the Kaioshin Realm without any issue. Ki sensing to/from the Kaioshin Realm isn't anything impressive in the story if you actually knew anything accurate about it, Base Gohan, Base Goten, Base Trunks, regular humans, SSJ1 Goku/Vegeta, etc. can all be sensed at that distance. This indicates that Goku's feat has nothing to do with sensing energy, something already clear from the wording. "sensing energy" isn’t compatible with the Kanji used in the scans. The scan used the Kanji for "power" (something constantly separated in the story from Ki or energy and used for basically force) and was Saying that said power reached/arrived to the Kaioshin Realm, something which is diametrically opposed to how Ki sensing works in the story.

To give an example it's similar to the pressure of Jiren's Ki reaching the stands when he powered up, funnily enough that instance used the same wording/Kanji.

He’s not getting far

@@TheonlyExp3 probably not, but he was practically unstoppable in the last ep I think with some luck he might be able to go toe to toe with Vegeta

@@kaskelotten77not even close

@@mrsceptile170 We actually don’t know how strong mob is in ???%

The issue is, the level of power that Saitama has been exposed to is a complete joke compared to Dragon Ball scaling. Essentially, saying that Saitama could withstand Dragon Ball level hacks, is like assuming that a person could withstand a water jet cutter, because they were able to withstand someone dripping water on their hand with an eye dropper.

My argument for this is that shouldn't Saitama also scale with everyone and the verse too? He's multi galaxy level in base so if he trains with everyone he'd be as strong as everyone in battle of the gods and onwards?

@@Disanemif he trained in the db verse? Yeah he would be like db characters but he is not in db so he is capped at cell lvl maybe fat buu

Totally get what you mean but for Saitama in particular it's very difficult. He is designed to be able to just outgrow anyone and everything. That's why I picked current Saitama and placed him at just past the Buu saga. If you ask me if Saitama could beat Goku right now I'd say thats a hard no. could he Grow to be able to beat him during the fight? Yeah I'd say thats possible for Saitama

@ijudgeanime well yeah Saitama ability to grow exponentially is part of his powers, that's fine but no matter how powerful he gets he isn't gonna just randomly get the completely unique ability of being immune to being absorbed

​@@ijudgeanime bald men are scary🥶🥶🥶

@@Sinsmoke_ True my balding ass boutta be scary af too smh

Finding the one piece has nothing to do with strength and goku can’t hit most devil fruit users so how is he gonna beat them

@@Stunt877 he can, i mean he is litsrly the creator of haki and haki is like KI in db

@@Stunt877 he actually can hit them, but he wouldn't go to that weak verse. Why would he go to a verse that caps at multicontinental? 10 saibaiman would destroy the verse and find the one piece un 12 hours

I think kid goku might be able to get thru most of it. Maybe end of Saiyan saga goku might be needed to contend w gear 5 and beyond, but I dunno much on powerscaling so it might be interesting

he woul get zoro on his crew as a navigator and zoro would lead them to the one piece in a few days 😂

He only got stronger by copying Saitama, whom which has stated to be stronger than a yesterday's version of himself. That strength was not of garous creation it was saitama's. Also garou being stronger than a past Saitama is such a cop out argument, there's nothing to add. Plus saitama was not trying to kill garou, he promised tareo not to kill garou. About that Jupiter thing, Jupiter can fit multiple Earth's in it right? So sneezing half of it is still very much enough, considering whenever buuhan or kid Buu were fighting they were not even destroying a massive part of the earth, if they had the ability to do so why don't they just destroy it while fighting the z fighters?

@@Disanem it’s mostly for plot but they’ve been shown they can. And no. The fact garou is stronger then what saitama WAS means alot. That means he isn’t infinite. He is finite with infinite potential to grow. And sure he was copying saitama but his body could physically get that strong. It could withstand that power. And at their best they blew up a few galaxy’s. That’s not even buu Hans level. Who almost destroyed two infinitely large galaxy’s. The cap here is just off the charts. Yes saitama was holding back alittle. But not much. He had to get stronger to win. And well sorry but base ku solos

@@sharkt9877 Garou didn’t do shit to saitama 💀 You gokus fans love to talk about Saitama getting hurt but then Garou literally confirs “ he is not fazed by anything i do” 🤣

@@sharkt9877Garou was never stringer then saitama 💀 the graph showed Cosmic garou after copying saitama became equal to him in strength, and then saitama started growing exponentially

@@miftahuljannat3050 the graphic directly showed garou at the end of the fight was stronger then saitama at the beginning. He was stronger then saitama was in the past. Saitama isn’t infinite

Bruh

Saitama wasn't really hurt by Garou, seeing how he isn't surprised or impressed by it, he doesn't react the way he reacted in his dream and most importantly, in the next few panels Saitama seems fine. We don't see him bleeding or having any stains being left on his skin afterwards either

…vegeta tries destroying the earth, frieza succeeds in destroying Namek, Cell tries blowing up the solar system, and both kid and buuhan try screaming apart the universe. Not mentioning Beerus, Frieza *again*, Zamasu who kills the multiverse and/or planned to kill every timeline depending on the canon, or Moro

@@bontonexofficial5075 Reread my message Vegeta: When he was losing Frieza: When he was losing Cell: When he was losing Buuhan: When he was losing Do you see the trend here? Saitama scales exponentially, once they get to the point of desperation he will easily be able to stop them

Talk to them! Let these goofy ah powerscalers know

Ok let get into this.First let give saitama the benefit of doubt and say that he somehow able to kill buu(and he gets past his regeneration that can bring him back no matter what).Then how would he be able to get past battle of gods?Cuz we can all agree that saitama has limitless potential but even then it still takes time for saitama to grow strong.The difference between where saitamas strength is right now and where battle of gods goku/beerus are is astronomical.Even if goku and beerus held back and gave saitama time to grow.Once they get serious then it gg at that point he won’t have time to grow and that where he stops.

Ironic, considering that it requires nonsensical made up terms, and leaps in logic in order to conclude that Saitama comes anywhere even remotely close to standing a chance against the likes of Goku. But that seems to be a pretty hard pill for OPM fans to swallow, so I get the distain for that concept.

@@ikeillue8385 this is exactly what I'm talking about. Tell me. Where in my comment did I say I was even a one punch man fan?

@@gabeskai I never said you were. I made a generalized statement talking about OPM fans. If you put yourself into that category, then thats on you. It doesn't matter to me whether you are or not, I'm just making a point that everything you said about people coming to conclusions about Goku winning, are 100% the exact arguments that people use to say that Saitama actually stands a chance.

@@ikeillue8385 why even bring opm fans into the conversation then? Why are you even here then? Also It doesn't require "made up logic" to believe saitama could stand a chance. Saitama beats everyone in one punch. That's it. That's all the 'logic' you need. Its his whole gimmick. He is a gag character who was created to make fun of over the top powerful characters in Shonen by defeating everyone in one punch. Just like the video said, there is no definitive answer because we have NEVER seen Saitama's limit. If we did, that info would definitely spread like wildfire. And before you bring up cosmic garou, no, that doesn't tell us ANYTHING. Cosmic garou was NOT stronger than him until he copied Saitama's strength. Trying to calculate strength based off that fight is essentially trying to solve an algebra equation without having the info you need. Here is that algebra question. Cosmic garou (he will be 't' in this example) copied Saitama's strength, which is currently 'x' since we do NOT KNOW his definitive strength. So now, the situation is. t = x Which is still x = x Which is essentially Saitama = Saitama So of course he doesn't beat cosmic garou in one punch this time because he is essentially fighting HIMSELF. And then, cherry on top, saitama GETS STRONGER. So now the formula is t < x+y. where y is whatever number makes the statement true. When the statement is true, he beats cosmic garou. Now. With this information, what symbol would make the following statement true?. g _ x Assume g = 1 bajillion times infinity to the umpteenth power + 1 Spoiler alert: its not solvable since t, x, AND y do not have values. All this, and I'm not even a opm fan. I'm a DRAGONBALL fan. If you want to know where I sit, my answer is "it depends". If the fight was in OPM's world, then by the rules of that world, Goku loses in one punch. If in the dragonball world, then its an unsolvable question until OPM finally releases a character that can act as Saitama's measuring stick.

@@gabeskai Because the complaint that you presented literally describes the arguments that all opm fans use, yet you were claiming that its DB fans who use said arguments. That literally is made up logic. "Saitama beats everyone in one punch", is made up logic that relies on the appeal to probability fallacy. And it doesn't even do it very well, because there is literally a character, more likely than not 2, that Saitama couldn't beat in one punch. We have seen Saitama's limit. He literally straight up says that he can go all out against Garou, and he can get back up. He does continue growing stronger after that, but we did in fact see his limit at that point. Its just that OPM fans don't want to admit that Saitama may not be as powerful as they want him to be, so they ignore, or rationalize that little tidbit. Except we see Garou and Saitama's serious punches clash, after Garou copied Saitama, and we see the level of destruction it caused. It was immediately after that clash that Saitama points out that he can go all out against Garou. It literally tells us everything we need to know. Going off your equation, you are missing the important points. Specifically this, t=multi solar system busting. So, if t=multi solar system busting, and t=x, then x=multi solar system busting. Again, that is the part that people try to ignore, because it means Saitama isn't as strong as they want him to be. This part is true, Saitama does keep growing stronger, where x current= x+y. However, we also know that x+y is only a moderate amount greater than t, because we literally see x+y land a normal punch on t, and t is only discombobulated. He isn't unconscious, nor visibly injured. Again, your point falls flat, because t and x both do have values, and based on those values, we can get a general estimate for y. Regardless of which series you are a fan of, your reasoning is still flawed. Appeal to probability fallacies are not reasonable logic, and the power that Goku has shown in Dragon Ball, especially in Super, is so monumentally far superior to anything Saitama has done (including his use of his full power against Garou), that there is no reasonable argument to be made that puts Saitama anywhere near Goku's level. Basically its like seeing the man who set the world record for dead lifts casually lift 200 pounds, and immediately assuming that he can dead lift the moon, because he lifted 200 pounds with no issue.

tournament of power? he barley beats buu we havent seen saitama do anything close to shaking infinity

@@zayy4440 Agree, Fat-Buu is my guess. Kid Buu if we're generous. Granted... Saitama could do something crazy in the future, I won't be surprised. But for now? Buu-Saga for sure.

saitama aint even getting past vegito

With the retcon no character (that are not Angels or Zeno) are stronger than the Gods of Destructions

@@wasifchowdhury2004 what retcon? dragonball heros and xeno goku or wayyy stronger than main timeline beerus

Also saitama can’t disintegrate buu cause he has to abilities that can do that so I mean fat Buu stands a chance

In a One Punch Man narrative yes. In a Dragon Ball narrative, there would probably be a one time reference to the "Saitama can't be beaten" gag, then he would be pushed to the wayside while the rest of the cast massively scales beyond (think like Arale before they decided to redo the joke in Super. And even in Super they did that same narrative again.).

That would be incorrect. Not only would Saitama still not be able to touch Goku in base, but even if Goku let Saitama hit him, he wouldn't even flinch. On the other hand, Goku wouldn't even need to make contact with Saitama in order to turn him into a red mist. The fact of the matter is, Saitama looks incredibly strong, because of the fact that there is a larger gap between his power and the power of the other characters in the series, than there generally is in series. Like, Goku is massively more powerful than Saitama is, but Saitama seems more powerful, because other people are close to Goku's level of power, while very few people are close to Saitama's level.

Except Saitama's growth has nothing to do with the level of power of his opponent. He ha 2 levels of growth. His normal growth, which just naturally happens, and his exponentially increased growth, which happened from a surge of emotion "like he had never felt before." Not that it really matters though. His power is so miniscule compared to even the human fighters in Dragon Ball, its entirely feasible that they would end him on accident.

@@ikeillue8385 The author confirmed in a comment that the Galaxy Conqueror Pirate Boros is a lot stronger than Golden Frieza...

@@trollmaster4523 Thats cool. But even if it was true that the author confirmed that, it doesn't change the fact that he doesn't have the authority over Dragon Ball to make that claim. The fact is, regardless of what the author may or may not have said, he wrote Boros to be star level, at absolute best (and that is stretching the context of things that were written in a blue ray pamphlet.), which places him at the level of Namek saga first form Frieza, at best.

There is a little bit to address here. First, Saitama's best feat is not blowing the gas off Jupiter. OPM fans bring that one up a lot, and I have no idea why. Saitama's best feat was clashing a punch with someone else so hard that it sent out a shockwave that destroyed around 17,000 solar systems (there are a couple of details about this that change it a bit, such as the fact that the shockwave was focused in one direction by a third party, which would reduce the overall energy of the attack, but this is a general level of his power, especially since it doesn't include his growth after the fact.). So, if we are taking the anime/manga of Dragon Ball at face value, Saitama is clearing Cell with relative ease. He is still getting hard stopped at the Buu saga, but Cell will be a fairly easy clear. Second, Cell is actually significantly more powerful than he seems at first glance. Yes, he is going to destroy the solar system with that final attack. However, Diazenshuu (which is the canon guidebook for Dragon Ball.) tells us that solar systems in Dragon Ball are actually galactic nebulae that consist of countless stars. So, "countless" by the standards of cosmological phenomenon is going to be measured in the trillions (galaxies have hundreds of billions of stars. The universe has trillions of galaxies. So, in order to be considered "countless" on that scale, the minimum has to be in the trillions.). So, using the official Dragon Ball cosmology, Saitama's best was destroying around 17,000 stars, while Cell's ultimate attack was going to destroy at least trillions of stars. By these standards, Saitama is already getting his butt kicked by the start of the Android saga. And that is before we start taking statements as literal, where we have universal levels of power being stated as early as second form Frieza.

@@ikeillue8385Dang, you really went in depth, good job!

You are correct, it would be dumb to think that there would be a good fight between DB characters and Saitama. Even the human fighters in Dragon Ball would casually overpower Saitama with ease. Side note, Saitama can't easily travel back in time. He literally lost the ability to do that immediately after using it once. Furthermore, even if he did retain that ability, Dragon Ball characters function on multiverse theory, so time travel against a DB character would just be a fancy way of running away from a fight.

If you take just a surface level look, this would be more or less accurate (normal mode Saitama would be first form Frieza level at best, not android saga. but what ever). However, when you take the Dragon Ball cosmology into consideration, full power Saitama is getting dominated by the first set of androids.

Why would saitama even need to exert himself or evolve against a character who can be injured by a mere rock? Honestly, I have no clue how power scaling works in the dragon ball universe. I mean, there's that dragon ball super episode where goku fights beerus, and it's just plain baffling. How can you "almost destroy the universe" but end up destroying only a few planets, leaving everything else unscathed? And the whole "chain reaction" thing just sounds like cosmological gibberish. I get that anime isn't always realistic, but dialogue lines that are pure nonsense shouldn't be considered as evidence for power scaling. In one punch man, it's a different story. Statements and feats are taken seriously, unlike in dragon ball. Some claim that buu could effortlessly reduce saitama to dust, but that notion seems absurd if you've watched one punch man. Saitama can withstand attacks that obliterate countless stars (galaxies) and remain completely unfazed. He can hop from one planet to another in mere seconds and move at light speed just by, well, farting. His speed is mind bogglingly fast, allowing him to create hundreds of after images simultaneously at the same time. His sneeze alone could destroy multiple earths and he can punch through spiritual spaces, bathe in lava, breathe in space without oxygen and casually handle hyperspace portals as if they were nothing. The thing is, saitama always comes out of fights without a scratch, not even realizing when he's faced with planetary level attacks. Considering these feats, it's abundantly clear how absurdly powerful this character is. Can you even imagine how much more insane his feats could get when he goes up against god? Regardless of words or assumptions, we should base our assessment on what's evident, not just favoritism. It's all about logical thinking and it's evident that saitama would come out on top in a battle against buu。

@@ace5759 its called Ki control Rewatch dbz if you do not understand And i am not doing that Favoritism thing Buu is much stronger than Saitama And Saitama doesn't have resistance against magic so If you don't like my point of view Just go away, i don't wanna debate here for hours to make a point

Except Saitama's growth has nothing to do with him taking damage. The manga blatantly explains how Saitama's growth works. Saitama has a natural state of growth that he is always in (which isn't all that impressive by DB standards.), then he gets a boosted state of growth from "a surge of emotion like he had never felt before", that he got from watching his closest friend get murdered in front of him. Damage he took, and the power of his opponent has nothing to do with it.

@ikeillue8385 I just looked at it, I'm wrong it is his emotions but he wouldn't really get those emotions unless someone is able to damage him so my point still stands

@@sandllc1361 Except we know for a fact that getting damaged doesn't cause those emotions. Not only is it the death of his close friend that gave him those emotions in the first place, not being damaged, but in that very same fight he straight up points out that he found exactly what he was looking for in Garou, yet still felt nothing. The power of his opponent has nothing to do with his boosted growth. Not that it matters. Even with his boosted growth, the magnitude of difference between Saitama and the characters in Dragon Ball (post Cell saga at the latest.) is so monumental, that even if no one in Dragon Ball was capable of growing anymore (which is nonsense, as Shonen characters have no limits.), it would still take an unreasonably long time for Saitama to catch up to them. And thats before we take into consideration that the growth in Dragon Ball is easily at least comparable to Saitama's boosted growth, if not greater (and they don't require incredibly situational outside stimuli to trigger their growth like Saitama does.).

@ikeillue8385 but we do know from his past fights before one punching most crap that he did get emotions from thrilling fights, he just didn't from garuo because he had nothing but hate for him, he didn't want the fight he wanted garuo dead, I doubt goku would kill one of one punch man's friends and I think the fight would be interesting for one punch man, also I do think that saitama could catch up with the z fighters, most of the earthing z fighters he's already ahead of and there are plenty of one's that won't kill him, goku would definitely want him to catch up and would find ways to make him get stronger, beerus would probably get bored and kill him before he could catch up, I don't think saitama is at a high enough level for vegeta to care tho

@@sandllc1361 No he didn't. At least, not to the extent required to give him that boosted growth. The manga blatantly says "like he had never felt before." So, the thrilling fights he had in the past (specifically pointing out the crab guy before he broke his limiter, and his dream fight.), actually prove that an intense fight isn't enough to give him that boosted growth. Its exactly because Goku wouldn't randomly kill bystanders that Saitama wouldn't get his boosted growth. You would be incorrect on that front. In current DB, even the human fighters are on a level so far beyond Saitama, that his growth is effectively a non issue. Keep in mind, universe busting was a casual level of power that was massively surpassed, by the end of the first arc of Super, and that is a MASSIVE low ball. That is kind of the catch 22. Either we force them into a death battle, in which case Saitama dies before he even realizes there is a fight happening, or we just insert them in the same universe together, in which case neither party would go out of their way to fight the other. Saitama has never been shown to go out of his way to get into fights with people, and Goku would be able to sense Saitama's power, and would immediately be aware that he isn't nearly strong enough to give him any sort of challenge. That said, even if they did fight each other, and Goku isn't going for the kill, why would he waste his time waiting for Saitama to catch up? Especially when he could fight someone else who is already far closer to his level of power, AND is growing faster than Saitama is.

It had nothing to do with the earrings that protected him from that. It was his ki control, combined with Dragon Ball character's natural ability to overpower hacks with shear power.

When you use head canon to determine how powerful he is, absolutely. However, when you look at facts and logic, Saitama gets to the Buu saga at absolute best, but could also be argued to fall off by the Namek Saga.

Buu wouldn't require his regeneration or any other hacks to beat Saitama. His brute strength is already WAY more than enough.

@@ikeillue8385 yea I’m using Saitama at his best tho which high balls the whole in space feat to multi galaxy level.

@@p3buckz._ Even with that high ball, he is still falling short. Keep in mind that mid range scaling for Buu is universal, and if you take into consideration that the series implies that Buu is a threat to the after life, and even the realm of the Kais, that scales him MASSIVELY higher than even that.

You have to be EXTREMELY generous to say that Saitama solos Z. Heck, even then you can't say that he solos Z with a straight face. You have to be EXTREMELY generous to Saitama and EXTREMELY harsh on Dragon Ball, to get him to beat out the Buu saga.

nah i just did that for saitama because otherwise id be talkibg for ages. regularly id pick god goku for a bog comparison and golden frieza for rof. Otherwise no one would get past bog which would be weird

There are a couple of issues with this. First of all, Buu has never had his regeneration overtaxed. Not once in the entire series. The only thing that was ever mentioned as far as something running out for Fat Buu, was his energy was draining, which has nothing to do with his physical abilities. That said, even if Buu's regeneration could be overtaxed, Saitama isn't strong enough to cause Buu to have to regenerate, short of Buu choosing to let himself be blown to pieces. Saitama is already outclassed by the time the android saga rolls around, let alone the Buu saga, when characters are massively more powerful.

The thing with Saitama is that he just grows so stupidly fast it's near impossible to scale his bald ass. If you put him up against mui Goku I believe Goku would whoop his ass. But over time I can definetly see Saitama somehow carching up to Mui aswell.

Saitama is at max Cell level, in the manga he goes all out vs Garou and manages to blow up like hundreds of thousands of stars buit Cell had the same capability if not more. Saitama wouldn't even stand a chance against Majin Buu from Buu saga.

@potatosoup3757 In multiple guidebooks solar systems are another name for galaxies.

Wow. That was some of the most impressive stretching I've ever seen from an OPM fan, short of just jumping to the "he has infinite power so he wins" nonsense. Saitama is low multi solar system level right now. He isn't even matching up to Buu saga characters, let alone claiming that he is MUI angel level.

@@user-qr2vf8ue7o we are not talking about dbs my guy, dbz base goku is not universal, i don't even think ssj3 goku is universal.

Considering his fight with Cosmic Garou, he's getting slammed by most of the Buu's. He MIGHT make it past fat buu, but the moment super and kid buu pop up, he's done. They either compete with or out stat him entirely depending on what scaling you use, and have too many hax abilities for him to just power through. He isn't a Super Vegito level fighter, if he's turned to candy, he isn't moving anymore. He loses the instant he tries to tank the Candy Beam, which he likely would considering we often see him tanking people's strongest techniques. Pair that with the fact that the Buus can absorb fighters and wrap them with their skin to trap them, something He'd have a VERY hard time getting out of, and yeah. He's losing to the Buus.

He gave no feats😭 it was a video made for fun, saitama does not even scale close to buu saga

Sort of. Goku's Hakai failed on Zamasu, for two reasons. First is because he used an imperfect version. This meant that it was taking longer to work than it normally would have. But this gave Zamasu time to use the second point. Zamasu grabbed a hostage, forcing Goku to make the choice between erasing Zamasu completely, but also erasing that civilian, or breaking off the Hakai before it was done. However, I did say "sort of" for a reason. Its not so much that Hakai only works on targets that are weaker than the user. Its the fact that Dragon Ball characters have the ability to resist hacks with shear power.

What are you talking about? Jupiter is still very clearly there. He cleared enough gas from around Jupiter, that you could see the surface (which the gas of Jupiter does make up the majority of its mass). I don't know how you got Jupiter being completely destroyed out of that.

That is being MASSIVELY generous to Saitama (frankly its wank). The absolute latest you can argue that Saitama gets, is Buu saga, but you can easily argue that he loses as Early as Frieza.

Problem with your theory. Saitama is only "so strong" relative to the OPM universe. In Dragon Ball, Saitama would stop being relevant between the end of the Frieza saga, and the start of the android saga. At any point after that, Saitama wouldn't be nearly strong enough for Goku to go out of his way to fight.

​@@ikeillue8385And Saitama would finally achieve his dream of having a fight where defeat is an option for once.

@@naufalhakimi1558 Considering the difference in power that there is between Saitama and even mid Dragon Ball Z, defeat wouldn't be an option, it would be inevitable.

There is one problem with your theory, which you actually brought up. Goku likes to spar going all out. He doesn't like to fight just for the sake of fighting. He likes to fight in order to find strong opponents, who can push him to greater heights. The problem is, Saitama is nowhere even remotely powerful enough to interest Goku. Maybe if we took Goku from right after his Yardrat training, then we could have something. But current Goku would consider sparring with Saitama only slightly more than he would an average human.

That would have to have 3 separate rankings, considering that there are 3 different scalings for Boros' power, all of which are technically canon, even if one is questionable as far as the legitimacy of the translation. You have the blueray guidebook (which is the potential translation error I brought up above.), which puts Boros at star busting level, in which case he would get hard walled by Frieza, who performed a dwarf star level attack with one finger, in his most suppressed state. There is technically the argument that he loses at the Saiyan saga here, as there are a couple of guidebook accounts that put the spirit bomb that Goku uses against Vegeta at star busting level, but I haven't looked too much into the legitimacy of those claims, so I'll just stick with the guarantee loss at Frieza for the sake of this exercise. Then you have the anime, which puts him at planet level, in which case he would lose at King Piccolo. He would be relatively comparable in straight power, potentially a little more powerful, when using his ultimate attack, but Piccolo would put him to shame in the speed department. Side note here, with both of the above scaling scenarios, its technically not quite that straight forward, because Boros' speed is getting utterly left in the dust, despite the fact that his shear power output would be well beyond the characters that are blitzing him. I'm kind of just going off the assumption that, between his shear power, and regenerative capabilities, the DB characters wouldn't have the shear power output to deal enough sustainable damage to overtax his regeneration. Finally there is the manga, which puts him at planet surface level, which puts his loss around the 22n'd world martial arts tournament. There is a chance he would lose at the 21st world martial arts tournament, but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt, as far as speed is concerned, because though he was impressed by Saitama's relativistic speed feat, he didn't consider it something he couldn't overcome. On the other hand, Dragon Ball characters don't get their consistent FTL feats until the arc after the tournament, so I'm assuming they are around, or just below light speed in this arc, which Garou should be at least comparable to, if not a little faster. That said, Boros would be falling a little short in shear power output, but I think with the regeneration hacks he has, and the fact that his speed might be a bit faster, I think he could make it through the 21st world martial arts arc.

You are free to have whatever opinion you want. However, when you look at the facts, Saitama doesn't stand a chance. The manga actually directly disproves your "he is an unbeatable gag character" theory, and even if we didn't have that, it would still be a logical fallacy.

@ikeillue8385 maybe my comment was misunderstood. I think the Dragon Ball universe can decimate every single anime. Also I should note I'm just a casual anime fan and I haven't watched the series, only small clips. I just don't think OPM is even comparable bc it seems like a joke. There is no point in watching to me bc there seems to be no struggle, development or any progression at all.

@@stevenrankin6672 I'm not going to lie to you, and I don't mean this in a way of being a jerk, but I am really not sure how I was supposed to come to that conclusion based on what you wrote in your original comment.

I can actually see why some think he isn't too far above Super Perfect Cell or SSJ2's because you could actually scale them higher by the fact that the DB Solar System is stated to be the size of a nebula with innumerable stars, but I'm sure most people won't accept this. SSJ2 Gohan kills Cell at his peak with less than half his full strength. Buu Saga SSJ2s supass him even further. You can already argue for Solar+ or multi solar level ssj2s just from this. So, SSJ2s could be roughly in the same tier as Saitama and probably aren't that much weaker than him depending on how you interpret this. Which is probably why most have Saitama at low or mid Buu Saga levels, I don't think any reasonable person would argue that Saitama is BoG level because despite Beerus being suppressed, Goku was still clashing, canceling out, and tanking those attacks from him 😅

So long as you don't take the Guidebook account for the Dragon Ball cosmology into account, it could be argued that Saitama could beat Cell, since Cell was stated to be solar system level, while Saitama's serious punch squared was low multi solar system. That said, the moment you include the cosmology, Saitama is already massively outclassed by the start of the android saga.