How Feedback Affects Performance - Andrew Huberman - Growth Mindset 

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This isn't new science, but I'm glad that it's finally getting spread to the masses. Huberman, you're the man! 😎🔥

In the intelligence vs effort feedback. Of course. What about adding more control groups. 1. Intelligence feedback 2. Effort feedback 3. Both intelligence and effort feedback. 4. Control group. 5. Group where you tell them the whole story. Anyone has potential for any level of intelligence but that potential being realized is largely determined by the following: - Level of effort one puts into learning. - Total time one has put into learning. - Proper reaction to failed attempts. - Proper selection of difficulty. One that is on the border or just outside the current level of intelligence. I always tell my kids they whole truth and have since they beginning. They both know what it takes and that being smart is not something they were born with, it is something they must choose and continue to choose their entire life and to be on alert and watch out and correct for the pitfalls that may hinder or even stop that progress. Perfectionism, where a single evaluation of less that perfect can result in a negative self evaluation resulting in less confidence, less effort, false attempts where they fail intentionally unconsciously to prove themselves right. The "I don't want" trap. The "I don't remember" trap. The "Its boring" trap. The "I'm tired" trap. And on and on. All those traps are lies we tell ourselves in an attempt justify the failed attempt. Instead try again with need of justification of the failure. Let the next attempt be an attempt with some modification. If they don't want too many failed attempts then spend some time watching others successful attempts and then copy them. This is why, given no physical limitation, all toddlers learn to walk. The don't have enough language skills and base knowledge to learn the traps in order to fail. they just see that everyone does it and hence know they will too. My daughter never fell. She decided to stand and no attempts to walk. After a couple days she decided to walk and walked all day without falling. She was done learning that and quickly moved on to where can I go and what can I find. My son fell all the time. He took the path of pure effort. Try, try, try until within a couple days success. Regarding representing performance: Upon attempt, whether success or failure, just ask them what can they do to make it a little better. What can they do to make it a not as good. What can they do to make it a lot better. How long do they think it will take them to make it a lot better. Provide hints and/or accurate examples of answers to those questions.

Wowwww as a former “gifted kid” this video was the missing piece to my trauma puzzle. 😩😭🤯

I'm a huge fan of Dr. Dweck's research and book. It's great to hear it being embraced and shared by more and more people, especially professionals with a platform for reaching millions.

Very valuable video, I wish my parents knew that. I heard so many times that I was "super smart but lazy". Today I'm good at nothing and I achieved nothing because I did not biuld any work ethics thinking that my "smartness" will take care of everything for me. Two things should be mentioned though. One: while effort is necessary to be successful, so is talent or some natural predisposition. Many people, especially losers obessesd with self-help, are lead to believe that "with hard work you can achieve anything". No. You can do it only if you're gifted AND work hard. And number two: about intelligence not being fixed. This point requires clarification. While one's intelligence is not fixed, their hypothetical maximum IQ undoubdfully is. With correct upbringing, learning and experiences you can get close to your genetic maximum, but no matter of learning or "effort feedback" will make you exceed it.

Psychedelics definitely have potential to deal with mental health symptoms like anxiety and depression, I would like to try them again but it's just so hard to source out here

I was told as an adult that gifted kids (like me) fall through the cracks at school because we SEEM like we have it together. So help/resources gets focused on kids who "need" it. Without guidance on our creative/ intelligence level, we get lost. But too, if we'd been taught emotional intelligence in gifted classes, we would've turned out differently. Because growth mindset IS emotional intelligence. One thing no one talks about: that it's a slap in the face and super disheartening when gifted kids become adults and no one cares how smart you are. Partially because it's an ego deflation. But moreso because that's when you find out - the only thing that makes you worthy is your ability to make money. You're used to feeling valuable because you're BEING smart. In "the real world" you have to DO smart. And that's pecisely because our world values and more highly rewards left brain/masculine "action." Though for me and many bright minds, we're more right brain/feminine "ideas" people. But that's a whole other story... PS: I started recommending Dr. Dweck's book Mindset almost a decade ago! It's phenomenal!

Having a 16 month old, i am watching this flourish in real time

Andrew huberman podcast should be mandatory for teachers

Beautiful children deserve nurturing in a loving environment taught about importance of nature and learning how to coexist in perfect harmony.

Yes, Professor Huberman ... Thank you!

I was considered a slow kid at school. So the feedback I got was pretty much rewarding my effort over the end result. Now that I'm an adult I am working in pretty cerebral research based work. However a main weakness I now have is never giving up. Even when it would probably be better if I did. I once spent years working towards something, only to get close enough to realise I was so driven to succeed it wasn't what I wanted anymore. I definitely had to spend time learning that working hard is not working smart. My solution to everything was run at the wall until the wall caved. Definitely a bad habit I picked up from my formative years based on feedback rewarding effort.

- 0:07🧠 Growth mindset emphasizes that abilities are malleable, not fixed. - 1:21🔍 Ask yourself questions about what you're good at, why, and how you label yourself. - 2:32📊 Research shows specific feedback shapes performance: intelligence praise vs. effort praise. - 4:00💡 Praising intelligence can actually undermine motivation and performance. - 5:49🎓 Children praised for effort tend to choose more challenging tasks, improving performance. - 7:28🔑 Effort-based praise is crucial for better performance and fostering resilience. - 10:42🚀 Effort praise leads to improved performance, while intelligence praise decreases it. - 13:07🕵‍♂ Children who receive intelligence praise tend to misrepresent their performance. - 15:29🧠 Feedback shapes beliefs about intelligence, impacting future performance. - 16:55🛠 Shift your narrative from performance to effort to improve abilities and mindset. - 17:34🎙 Explore more tools for mental health, physical health, and performance on the Huberman Lab podcast and social media.

Excellent video, thank you. I really like the distinction you’ve pointed out here over praising the effort rather than the actual outcome.

Great video. And I'm so happy to see you collaborating with Huberman again. Awesome job, nice to see a global takeover with actual good people behind it.

I think you touched upon a lot of important factors for growth, especially the problem of being identified with being smart with a certain thing. It is so amazing how there are infinite things to be smart at, and true intelligence expands across all dimensions.

Im definitely working on changing my belief system. Today, I am a BHT 2 community counselor. Constantly working on myself because it's essential , vital & important. Drugs, alcohol homelessness were the results of my life experiences.. The symptom of what was going on internally.

I agree with your premise of your argument. I had a conversation with one faculty member who continuously awards As for all students no matter their intelligence or effort and uses your argument to prove awarding 100% to all motivates the students to do better. My definition of excellent means “extremely good; outstanding”-that the work is virtually error-free and is nearly perfectly aligned with my expectations as the instructor. Students should not expect to easily earn A’s but understand that they have to strive for them. To earn A’s, students should complete coursework as assigned, wrestle with the material, ask questions, and apply all feedback on assignments through critical thinking and problem-solving. In my opinion, it’s unethical to give unearned grades.

As a supervisor, each and every time (which was often), I praised my reports for their efforts they would sit back and kick their feet up afterward, and their performance tanked until I had to get ugly.

How i wish my parents, teachers praised my effort. This research is true for my case. I got praised intellectually. As it goes on in high school I intentionally dropped my score and tried to blend in with others. I got demotivated wanted to be average. I also tried to avoid hard challenges and lied some occasions. Well i will try to improve myself and be an educated parent for my future children.

THANK YOU !!!! I have gotten so much from your work here!!!

Nice, I watched you full version of this. I try it with my nephews.

Awesome piece of content! Yet again Well done After Skool!

Thank you. I appreciate your content

Another great one

Great advice. I recall reading how native cultures tend to use more verbs than nouns. On the other side, alzheimers has been noted where language changes to using more nouns than verbs. It's almost like the "motion center" part of the brain is where intelligence came from- the need to survive and move. Effort appreciated gives you a boost for the next run!

My take away from this introspectively is that the praise gives an immediate dopamine dump therefore people conditionally attempt to recreate the same environment for the goal of that appraisal. Whereas when given effort analysis, the feeling of successes from accomplishing goals &/or pushing farther for their completion gives the neurochemical release natural striven for, but possibly in a more of a slow release fashion.

Thank you, Sir👍

In Thomas Paines book, Common Sense, he shares an insight into how, the more affluent we become, the more risk averse we tend to be. He made this observation referring to the liberal demographic in England, on the eve of the declaration of independence. Greater wealth correlated with greater political apathy, and so it was on the liberal elite leading the 13 colonies, to unite them against the British Empire. There is a picture emerging in terms of outcomes and effort.

Wow this is life changing stuff

It makes no sense to praise or criticise people for things outside of their control and doing so confuses children's qualities with their identity

Thank you so much for this high quality content !!!

So in the tools at the end, you suggest to reward effort instead of outcome. However in a case where the effort to achieve something is persistently high for mild outcomes, how can that transformed into a growth mindset? For example, I have strong social anxiety and talking to people and maintaining contact and relationships with people is difficult. How can all the effort I put into it be rewarded at the end of a day where I feel so empty and depleted?

I think the problem is that people don’t actually care. Teachers and parents shrug the kids when it’s good and freak out on some minor inconvenience so it’s probably because kids are scared and do things out of fear and such instead of learning to grow. Kids don’t understand but they do listen and that’s how they can understand you’re insincere and feel from that. It’s only when kids actually get sincere reinforcement otherwise it’s like a drug addict chasing happiness while trying to dig through the pains and bull that doesn’t help but makes it harder. It’s not the drugs that make them happy but the feeling reminds them of the happiness and then the feelings fade.

Nice!!👍🏼

Cool use of Pavlov’s pup.

Wow thanks again both of you :D

wow this one was great! I think it just changed my life😂

Interesting

I think it makes sense why “Asians are better” (one thing to point out about stereotypes). Asian parents tend to value their child’s effort more than their identity (just a hunch of mine).

Where is the fix for my eyes like you talked about on Rogan? I've never heard another word from you about it.

Let’s disambiguate how “intelligence” is measured in what are called “G” loaded IQ tests, where all cultural, social economic status, and language bias is removed, where only speed and accuracy are all that is measured within such a standard set of questions that involve shapes, symbols, etc.. The one with the most number of correct answers within a time limit gets the highest Intelligence score(IQ). That’s not what Huberman is referring to, nor is he acknowledging that g loaded IQ is upwards to 80% genetic, that means 80% IS FIXED.

I'm surprised you mention the scenario where parents give underserved praise and tell their kids how smart they are when they are not. I thought this would happen far more often but I'm not a parent and rarely spend time with parents or kids.

Basically the culture at Microsoft

Why is there never any source for these studies... no paper linked... sigh... nothing

Hello After Skool, I wanted to take a moment and praise you for your hard work and effort in putting together an exceptional video that will affect both my self talk and my parenting feedback!

Perhaps this is overly simplified but it sounded to me like when rewarding a person's intelligence, you are rewarding their ego whereas when you are rewarding someone's effort you are speaking to their heart, soul, their being because you are nurturing (i.e. helping to generate) excitement within the individual's heart!

I was a C student. Barely finished college. I worked my butt off and achieved so much more than I could have predict based on my grades. Effort is all it takes. Relentless forward progress.

My dad did the opposite of both approaches. He beat the crap out of me while telling me I’m stupid and that I’ll be a failure for the rest of my life. He also told me he was disappointed in who I was and that he was giving up on me. He did this almost everyday. He would do it every time I did something wrong and often times for no reason.

Wow, this tells me how I was in the Intelligence Praise group during my childhood and how I went from "promising future" to failed adult.

Being told I was smart, when I clearly had the capacity for stupidity, which I often demonstrated, made me question any sort of praise I got. It made me feel like I didn't actually deserve anything because if that was considered "smart," then I was doomed in life. I didn't lie to myself and see it as smart; I saw my efforts as deceptive ways to look "smart" because I was finding shortcuts and quicker ways to do things. Every cool thing I showed was always met with such superficial comments like, "I don't know or care what you're talking about, but I want to show I'm a supportive parent." Nothing really seemed to have any meaning. I couldn't see where my "intelligence" would ever manage to get me other than guilt. Once you realize that just appearing to be smart and skewing the results could get you the same praise, you lose any kind of direction.

I once read about this experiment where kids who are interested at doing something - say sketching, were divided into 2 groups and one group was getting a little star or some other symbol for their work. While the other group of students were just doing it for the sake of doing it. When the first group stopped getting the stars, they lost their motivation to learn and persist on sketching. The other group kept getting better because there was no extrinsic reward attached to what they were doing. Great video!

As a kid growing up my parents use to tell me that I was stupid. When I asked for help with my homework. I reached to a point and said to myself "I'm not asking anyone for help anymore with my education. Whether I fail or pass." I'm a Mechanical Engineering Technician and it turns out my parents are the stupid ones, because they are ignorant and couldn't help me in the first place.

I am a graphic design student, also intrested in psychology and as part of my bachelor's thesis I am creating a picture book for children about growth mindset. The title is "Frog on the Path". Using example of a frog traveling in the mountains, I will try to give children a perspective on how to approach mistakes and learning. Your channel and the work of Carol Dweck and Andrew Huberman inspired me in choosing this topic. Thank you for your content!

i love this video because I had to teach myself “effort affirming”. This video brings me peace to know I didn’t go the wrong direction with my internal dialogue

Andrew Huberman's focus on effort-based feedback as a catalyst for performance is a game-changer. Emphasizing persistence over innate ability can transform a team's dynamics and drive innovation in any field. 💡

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One of the most interesting things to me is how, regardless of how well or poorly the students did in each of these tests, it is STILL POSSIBLE for the researchers (AKA “us”) to give the students ANY type of feedback. In other words, one student could perform “poorly” on something, and it does NOT mean our feedback to them has to be negative - in fact, it seems like that is the most important time for your feedback to be positive (and geared towards their effort, or course). I just think about all the negativity in the world and how we can all make the conscious decision to call out the positive traits in anyone we come across during the day. I also love how it is OUR decision - nobody can force us to give someone negative feedback, so we can make that choice every single day to be good to other people to help make other people better! Love this!

Just as important is to do this very thing to ourselves as we are often our biggest critic. Externally and internally.

Wow. I am 60 now and can see clearly where I was heaped praise and I followed this pattern into adulthood.

I never really cared what I was good at or bad at. I simply focused on what I wanted to do.

I think we should follow the path for happiness and not for performance with our children and future generations. So one solution could be to tell the children how wonderful they are and what a wonderful personality they have, no matter what or how they do something. 🙏🌍🌈

It’s dangerous to use average on individuals. How somebody helps improve an individual is very specific to the individual and their needs. I know this from over 30 years experience of doing this professionally. The premise of the video is accurate, I’m warning of how this knowledge is applied 👍🏻

Yep, checks out. In the era where everybody gets a trophy, you get a bunch of whiners. I don't think I ever got a kind word from my parents about anything I did. I always assume I'm the dumbest guy in the room, and am disappointed when I'm not because there is less to learn. Much of what I can do today is a result of proving my parents or other critics wrong. Not saying that made me a mentally healthy adult, but it did make me a productive one, and somebody that doesn't shy away from hard conversations and problems. I like tackling things I'm not sure I can do at all - its the surest way to grow my skills and actually feel good about it when I make it through.

Good stuff as always. Thanks Bro!

Huberman reminds me of Patrick Swayze in Donnie Darko.

"Minimally exceptional" I can almost hear George Carlin's voice...

One of my favorite topics talked about from Andrew and I haven't even begun to watch the video. This was an immediate click

“Do what’s good for all, not what’s best for me” has been my narrative throughout life, on the challenging path to enlightenment… 😊🙏🏼💗✨

I was labeled the smart kid in school, I was always afraid to be seen as stupid and that messed with me a lot, that's another side effect

Nice, how self-reflection, meditation, is a key component to growth mindset.

There is something to this, i have noticed this with the kids ive worked with, telling a kid that they are smart can accidentally form a selfimportant ego, often resulting in complacancy. But praising effort & persistance usually motivates them to put in their full effort (tho remind them to rest as it can lead workaholism)

As someone who grew up getting effort praise while my brother was “gifted and talented” in school and got intelligence praise. He ended up dropping out of college bc it got too hard and he didn’t wanna keep trying after he failed one of his classes for his major and I have never stopped learning thing and going to school and my family calls me the “jack of all trades” bc I cont. n cont. to keep learning stuff even if I fail the first time bc it’s the repetition n thrill to keep trying when getting told ‘ good job for trying’ everytime I grew up. So this was eye opening to siblings in the same house but getting different praise growing up in school n in home. Especially bc my brother is older so when I had his teachers they always thought we were the same but while I wasn’t stupid I had A’s n B’s in all classes n my brother had all A’s. His effort stopped after school , mine hasn’t.

I'm can't put my finger on why but neither feedback system sits well with me. The "you're so smart" one for the obvious reasons. The effort feedback phrase would sound highly condescending to me. I'm sure that sort of feedback sounds great to a child but to me it'd sound like "awww look at you, it's so awesome how much you worked at failing this task, you tried so hard!" and then I'd imagine their face going through a cheese grater. What about an approach that emphasizes the importance of learning and persistence by showing and not telling? After a less than stellar task, asking questions like "What do you think might have made this work better?" and then collaborating with the student with curiosity to find where the mistakes are and learning what we could do now or in the future to improve the outcome. This would avoid avoid the sticky issue of simply making children that are praise-dependent, while also *showing* them the value of effort and persistence by working further on the task to achieve a better outcome. This will also serve to allow the student to praise themselves after sticking with something until the end and being able to experience the rush of a job well done. Obviously a small child would need a bit more positive affirming feedback but over time the affirmations would need to be tapered as the student becomes self-persisting.

I’m curious about the lasting effects of the recent (and often shallow) “You’re so brave” trend of praise. “Hero” as well

in heavily capitalistic society your growth doesnt mean anything to others. many of us are beginning to think that our own growth doesnt mean anything to us. even parents dont appreciate their kid's growth, everyone wants result, even us. the lack of appreaciation for progress/growth is making everyone on edge. when we are busy we want to stop, when we are not doing anything we felt guilty.

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Thank you so mach for good educational advic. blassed by jesus name !!!

Lets be careful with this also… when youre labelled as hardworking, resilient and persistent, we have to carefully counterbalance that with the importance of rest, to having emotional maturity of knowing what truly matters to you, and set boundaries and expectations. I am both the “intelligent” and “hardworking” child, and being in a good university before, my peers were also similar- and the sea of degenerating mental health is so overwhelming it can really fck you up short to long term. Im proud of what I achieved, but it’s important to keep that ego and people pleasing aspect in check

In the growth mindset mindset think of feedback as seeds. Be very mindful of what is planted in your fertile mind

13:58 this can be attributed to parents encouraging narcissism through intelligence/trait praise

Excellent!

See 10:19 to 11,58: When praising yourself or other people, don't compliment intelligence, talent, identity, eg, ''you are smart, athletic, gifted''. Instead, do compliment EFFORT (verbs) eg, ''you tried really hard, it's great the way you applied so much effort and persisted''. Rewarding effort = better performance.

Excellent, thought provoking advice. Really brings to light the need for taking ones own growth into their own hands. Valuing what we now choose to value, over what we were told to value. Worth starts within!

“Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard”

So glad I learned this before having kids.

I guess i heard effort praise. At least something was right about my childhood!

Thanks for creating this

Exactly! This "talent" stuff is like saying "it doesn't matter where you're going, only where you are now. You can't change and your choices had nothing to do with your skills!" It's strangely antisocial and clearly a lie. But a child can fall for it, as the experiment demonstrated, which makes it really insidious.

I had the growth mindset when I was young because I had no parental oversight and learned early what it means having one life to live, after spending my childhood watching my one parent die a slow painful death from uncontrolled diabetes. I joined the Army, became a linguist so I could travel the world. And was pleasantly surprised that the world- outside my extended family and beyond the effects of impoverishment I grew up in- actually liked who I was! Then people were disappointed in me for being a “waste” because I paused my dreams to raise a child in a way where he wouldn’t have to go through the trauma I did. Now my son is grown, I’m successfully (and with an excessive amount of wisdom) resuming my path in my mid-40s. Life is good for everyone. And the more challenges the better, knowing I have less time left than I did 20 years ago! A lack of growth mindset, especially instilled by people other than yourself, is a tragedy. I hope the people who need to learn about growth mindset get exposed to the idea.

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everyone should see this

Deadpool was right! Maximum effort!!!

As a person who had a narcissist parent I wonder where kids who were put down no matter how hard they tried fall in these tests...for me I tried so so hard never getting anything but put downs and I'd just try harder thinking it was me just not working hard enough so I always tried harder thinking that pride in my dads eyes were around the corner if i just did more...wasn't until I was older and studied narcissism I realized it was never coming.

"Minimally Exceptional" 💀😭

Love this channel ❤

My problem is that I am so "gifted" that school was never even remotely challenging to me. Not even in university. So I never had to learn to overcome challenges, ergo never learned to overcome my own limitations. Hence I am a classic, "great at school, not at life" type. The real world expects you to seek challenges and apply yourself to them, like say getting a job. That's alien to me. But I am working hard to change that. To become growth-oriented, not fixed.

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