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How Finland Has Become Impossible to Invade 

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Finland is a massive asset to NATO. And Finland is preparing for war. With Russia right on its border, some think it's only a matter of time before Putin decides to invade Finland. But if he did, what would happen? Could Finland be the next Ukraine?
This video does a deep dive into Finland's geography, military, history, and more, to show how Finland would stand up against a Russian invasion.
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@icarusproject
@icarusproject 5 месяцев назад
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@terryhoath1983
@terryhoath1983 5 месяцев назад
Very well argued and even though in Americanese, the commentary is intelligible for English speakers. Although almost a complete avoidance of the nonsensical Americanese conditional you still made one slip. Whilst much of the preceding commentary was conditional because it had been preceded by "IF, from 4.27, that no longer applies. "Most of these Finnish road systems >>>>>> WOULD
@theunknownone9228
@theunknownone9228 5 месяцев назад
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@icarusproject
@icarusproject 5 месяцев назад
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@theunknownone9228
@theunknownone9228 5 месяцев назад
@@icarusproject so this doesn't apply for the people already signed up? Oh well 😅
@prospect2664
@prospect2664 4 месяца назад
and remember, you cant catch finns on their forest roads... they drive on them when they are like 13, going 500km/h
@pikapika4240
@pikapika4240 5 месяцев назад
As a finn, I highly approve you including the real Finnish Air Force to the intro: the mosquitos.
@erikgrape
@erikgrape 5 месяцев назад
Let's hope you don't have to rely solely on them, if the f35 problems continue (maybe you reconsider and get some gripens as well, who knows). But yeah, from experience the mosquitos are not to be underestimated :)
@hoilst265
@hoilst265 5 месяцев назад
"General, they are bleeding us dry!" "We haven't had any contact with any Finns yet!" "Not the people, no..."
@DaringDanielletravels
@DaringDanielletravels 5 месяцев назад
Finnish people have such a great sense of humor! .... And Saunas 🤣
@chloeholmes4641
@chloeholmes4641 5 месяцев назад
​@@erikgrape ...................... reread the comment again! 🤦🏼‍♀️
@DavidRichardson153
@DavidRichardson153 5 месяцев назад
I wonder who has the bigger mosquitoes, Finland or Minnesota. In Minnesota, the mosquitoes are so big that it might as well be the official state bird. And now I'm picturing a Finnish mosquito with a helmet and NVG kit, and somehow, it feels entirely plausible.
@CM-ey7nq
@CM-ey7nq 5 месяцев назад
As a Norwegian, I approve of this message. We are four Nordic nations working together if push comes to shove, but the Finns are just... Something else. Glad to have them as a close ally.
@magnusthereddidnithingwrong
@magnusthereddidnithingwrong 5 месяцев назад
Finland knows all about Russian diplomacy, and will always be prepared.
@soderlund3610
@soderlund3610 5 месяцев назад
85 years ago, yes
@Krulltårta
@Krulltårta 5 месяцев назад
Wtf u talking about..? Its sverige/finland and then the fuggin snakes to our left. Norge fattar fortf inte alls. Ni bröt med oss,så chilla med danmark. We dont want u.
@TreesTrees
@TreesTrees 5 месяцев назад
@@soderlund3610 Doesn't seem like Russian diplomacy changed much in that time.
@shinyan5844
@shinyan5844 5 месяцев назад
@@TreesTrees i dont think your brain has gotten any nutrients since you were born.
@trenxee1165
@trenxee1165 5 месяцев назад
There was a telling quote from US colonel about joint winter exercise in Finland: "They came out of nowhere and were everywhere!".
@tapaniheikonen8500
@tapaniheikonen8500 5 месяцев назад
No. But as as a fact there in Karelia lived numbers of US cizens when war beginned. How many...I do not know...
@Microphunktv-jb3kj
@Microphunktv-jb3kj 4 месяца назад
there was special survival unit in estonia in 1994 from US .. who couldnt open a can of food with army knife... i have stories too
@tapaniheikonen8500
@tapaniheikonen8500 4 месяца назад
Ich weisse. Maybe we made things well enoug well. But that Karelian area. At first we had fights wiith Novgorod. Later on with Moscow Trars. And after that with Tsar Peter. Things has happened here in Finland...
@Pikkabuu
@Pikkabuu 4 месяца назад
​@@Microphunktv-jb3kj Because many times such units food need to be well contained to survive for a long time. And this means that the cans can be so thick that not even a can opener works on them!
@goldbullet50
@goldbullet50 4 месяца назад
Americans always suck up the people of their dominions. In real life, I've never met as many arrogant and outright stupid people than I did when we trained with the Americans in Arrow -17.
@rizka7945
@rizka7945 5 месяцев назад
1:02 More accurately, Saint Petersburg sits 150 kilometers away from the current Finnish eastern border. It's important to distinct that Russia built their city as late as in the 18th century on lands inhabitated by Finnic tribes. If you insist to build on your neighbor's yard, then don't complain that your neighbor's house is close to you.
@JPPVESA
@JPPVESA 5 месяцев назад
St. Petersburg or Nevanlinna at the time was commissioned during the Swedish rule in 1600's and built by Finns
@tosa305
@tosa305 5 месяцев назад
Ruzzians have always found ways to make their own truths to support their aggression. Now it is is NATO and the victim is Ukraine
@leifiseland1218
@leifiseland1218 5 месяцев назад
The town was called Nyen before it became St Petersburg.
@JPPVESA
@JPPVESA 5 месяцев назад
@@leifiseland1218 built by Finns, named by Finns. Nyen just means the same as Neva which is the rivers name in Finnish. It also means a type of swamp which refers to the swampy delta around the rivers entry to the Gulf of Finland. Nevanlinna means Castle of Neva...
@herptek
@herptek 5 месяцев назад
@@JPPVESA Before the Swedish rule there had already been a Finnic settlement in the area. The Russians are the ones stepping on our turf, not the other way around.
@Niko-zu7mj
@Niko-zu7mj 5 месяцев назад
Speaking of snipers, Finland won the latest sniper competition of NATO (2023)
@RoopeFromFinland
@RoopeFromFinland 5 месяцев назад
Nothing to do with our defence force. And many other counry has won that too.
@RockerFinland
@RockerFinland 5 месяцев назад
​@@RoopeFromFinland Finnish snipers are not part of the Finnish Defence Forces? Interesting, that is new information. With your logic there's no reason to compete in anything. It's like saying: "No matter who wins the Stanley Cup this year, it means nothing because there are some other teams that have won that too in the past"
@RoopeFromFinland
@RoopeFromFinland 5 месяцев назад
​@@RockerFinlandThe point was that we don't have a sniper school and the guys did train in their own time and money so nothing to with our defence forces.
@RockerFinland
@RockerFinland 5 месяцев назад
@@RoopeFromFinland From the Finnish Defence Forces: "Some of the conscripts will be trained in specialised roles, including sniper". There are also sniper training in the reserve (MPK). Of course you have to use your free time too if you wanna be the best (it's the same thing with every skill). Chris Kyle trained more at his free time than in actual duty. You have to do it if you wanna be among the best.
@RockerFinland
@RockerFinland 5 месяцев назад
@@RoopeFromFinland It seems like you got silent. I guess you were really not a Finn after all. Didn't even know Finland trains snipers, that is very basic information
@AKZP87
@AKZP87 5 месяцев назад
Everybody gangsta until forest speaks Finnish
@varavarala313
@varavarala313 5 месяцев назад
but it's 2024, and things called missiles and rockets exist..
@tott598
@tott598 5 месяцев назад
@@varavarala313 both are not effective in forests, drones maybe but also more for open field with lots of visibility.
@owennoad-watson2820
@owennoad-watson2820 5 месяцев назад
Ask the soviets how effective bombs and artillery are against Finnish trees ​@@varavarala313
@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket
@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket 5 месяцев назад
@@varavarala313 Just like they have for decades. You don't use missiles or rockets on individual soldiers hiding in the bushes. You have to be able to locate hardware worth hitting and Ukraine has shown us Russian lacks such competence.
@AK-us2di
@AK-us2di 5 месяцев назад
@@varavarala313 The US had missiles, rockets and overwhelming air superiority in Vietnam. The Vietnamese had jungle, which was so problematic the US tried to get rid of it with things like Agent Orange. Who won?
@JoeRowland90
@JoeRowland90 5 месяцев назад
The Vikings thought the Finnish had magical control over the weather. They very rarely tried to raid them because of it. The terrain of Finland is basically a fortress. Beast of a country that is difficult to thrive in but rewards anyone who can. Good luck trying to outmanoeuvre the Finns on snow. They ski better than they walk.
@kkonka
@kkonka 5 месяцев назад
Yep. Freezing conditions during the winter were left out from this video. Without practicing to work below-zero conditions you are worthless for your team mates. Also another thing to mention, all people learn already during the elementary school how to use maps & compass and are able orienteering without modern systems.
@mielivalta
@mielivalta 4 месяца назад
@@kkonka Also past time activities like avantouinti (ice swimming) keeps body adapted to cold conditions. That kind of adaptation can only be accumulated over time for it changes body's fat composition (grey fat turn into brown fat).
@nikkari5780
@nikkari5780 4 месяца назад
Yup, the freezing winter in finland is really bad for anyone not prepared for it. In the winter war thousands of russians ended up freezing to death and their tanks stopped working in the -30C° climate. Some people actually called the war a "Jäätynyt helvetti" or literally the frozen hell.
@Raakarapu
@Raakarapu 4 месяца назад
Sure. But mostly its ’cause we are drunken assholes. Drunken assholes trained to tuhoamaan uhka.
@Newnawn
@Newnawn 4 месяца назад
This was probably true like 50 years ago. Nowadays I know very few people who really know how to nordoc ski. Though that might also depend on where you grow up.
@jesperengelbredt
@jesperengelbredt 5 месяцев назад
A large group of Russian soldiers in the border area in 1939 are moving down a road when they hear a voice call from behind a small hill: "One Finnish soldier is better than ten Russian". The Russian commander quickly orders 10 of his best men over the hill where Upon a gun-battle breaks out and continues for a few minutes, then silence. The voice once again calls out: "One Finn is better than one hundred Russian." Furious, the Russian commander sends his next best 100 troops over the hill and instantly a huge gun fight commences. After 10 minutes of battle, again Silence. The calm Finnish voice calls out again: "One Finn is better than one thousand Russians!" The enraged Russian commander musters 1000 fighters and sends them to the other side of the hill. Rifle fire, machine guns, grenades, rockets and cannon fire ring out as a terrible battle is fought... Then silence. Eventually one badly wounded Russian fighter crawls back over the hill and with his dying words tells his commander, "Don't send any more men...it's a trap. There's two of them."
@ogbighomie9738
@ogbighomie9738 5 месяцев назад
Tuo vitsi on vanhempi kuin Trumanin doktriini.
@icemanzw
@icemanzw 5 месяцев назад
Fake narrative first of all russaian don't use English the communication never existed if it did it was ediitedd probably by a west biased translator
@verttikoo2052
@verttikoo2052 5 месяцев назад
@@ogbighomie9738Still good. When the snow talks 😱
@hulking_presence
@hulking_presence 5 месяцев назад
haha funny story. Finns lost the war though.
@verttikoo2052
@verttikoo2052 5 месяцев назад
@@hulking_presence Never occupied. Didn’t lose independence.
@EbliZ
@EbliZ 5 месяцев назад
As a Swede i approve of this message, finns are our brothers. Perkele!
@markkuholma5802
@markkuholma5802 5 месяцев назад
perkele!
@kallekas8551
@kallekas8551 5 месяцев назад
Perkele!🇫🇮🇸🇪
@aserdogman
@aserdogman 5 месяцев назад
Perkele! 🇺🇦 Hope it is not something offensive. God bless Finland
@kallekas8551
@kallekas8551 5 месяцев назад
@@aserdogman 👍It’s kinda like “Goddamn” or “Devil”! Greetings from🇫🇮Слава Украине!🇺🇦
@KolyaUrtz
@KolyaUrtz 5 месяцев назад
Russians will unite the north one day
@g-mo7130
@g-mo7130 5 месяцев назад
The bear knows not to bother the hedgehog. The hedgehog is small, but knows how to defend with it's thorns. Sure, the bear could probably mess up the hedgehog if it *really* tried, but not without getting messed up in the process. And to what end? The hedhegog is not much of a meal anyway. _The bear knows not to bother the hedgehog._
@paristo
@paristo 5 месяцев назад
Bear would just squeeze the hedgehog... There is no challenge there at all. But talk about wolverine or a honey badger... You do not F with those things... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-meLcoltT7q4.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-QJ4tyowlVUM.html
@bushpocket8619
@bushpocket8619 4 месяца назад
The hedgehog runs away fast.
@kirdmigre
@kirdmigre 4 месяца назад
@@bushpocket8619 Actually yes. My sister had a doberman, who was very, very eager to hunt hedgehogs after 22 00. Once a hedgehog is found, the dog used to bark as loud as he could. First time he tried to bite it, but never after. If someone holds a dog so that hedgehog can escape, usually it needed 10-15 seconds to run and disappear into darkness.
@Tespri
@Tespri 4 месяца назад
Finland isn't hedgehod. Finland is a hunter with modern hunting equipment. Bear is just game that they will feast upon after slaying it for fun.
@randar9884
@randar9884 4 месяца назад
Also hedgehogs have many parasites
@Pyhantaakka
@Pyhantaakka 5 месяцев назад
Forest roads exist for logging purposes. Forest industry is one of Finlands largest industries. Gripens are not going to take off from gravel roads, they would use the road bases on the highways.
@Makapaa
@Makapaa 5 месяцев назад
Technically any wide, straight, hard and flat enough surface works. It's just better to not have to risk the equipment on non-prepared/unpaved roads. Tho your point still stands! That's the reason for all of those weirdly wide and straight sections of road along the bigger and smaller (for some reason) paved routes in the eastern regions!
@staffan-
@staffan- 5 месяцев назад
Exactly. The forest roads look exactly the same in Sweden.
@shinyan5844
@shinyan5844 5 месяцев назад
@@Makapaa in finland there is only couple roads that can be used to supply and operate aircraft from in the times of war. there is exactly 21 roads that can be used, all the logging roads are uneven and not straight meaning they cannot be used at all to land any straight-sweptback wing aircrafts
@Makapaa
@Makapaa 5 месяцев назад
​@@shinyan5844 And that changes what I'm saying in what way..? It doesn't. "21 roads that can be used" is false statement. "21 roads that are publicly planned to be used as airfields" is the correct one.
@clopec
@clopec 5 месяцев назад
Yeah, these are some serious inaccuracies. The forest industry in Finland is very intense, which means permanent roads are required and maintained. One of the most important things Sweden would provide is the possibility to use airbases in Sweden. Further away from the front line and thus safer.
@Atomisti
@Atomisti 5 месяцев назад
I think you forgot to mention water that exist in Finnish forest as rivers, lakes, springs, ponds, ditches, and swamps. An area that on a map at the first glance looks like open land is often mostly impenetrable by a mechanized army and sometime even by foot soldiers. Been there, experienced it. Getting across a swamp with full gear on foot in a hurry is daunting because you can't know how deep into water the next step will take you. On most swamps you wouldn't even try.
@Stan_man
@Stan_man 5 месяцев назад
The winter war always reminds me old old Finnish joke. "A Russian commander was on patrol with hes troops, suddenly he hear someone yell: 1 Finnish equal 10 Russians. General got mad and send 10 troops to attack. He waited a while bu no one come back. Another yell was heard: 1 Finnish equal 100 Russians" General send 100 troops to attack and again, no one come back. Another yell was heard: 1 Finnish equal 1000 Russians. General got really angry and send 1000 troops to attack. This time 1 Russian made it back. Trooper: Commander, don't send any more, they are lying. Commander: How so? Trooper: There is 2 of them."
@russpeele9882
@russpeele9882 3 месяца назад
Hahaha! good one!
@dr.angie123
@dr.angie123 Месяц назад
OMG! That is so funny. It made my day. I laughed for an hour!
@blacksmith88
@blacksmith88 5 месяцев назад
Forests,fog, darkness, frost, lakes, rivers, snipers,mines, smoke,orienteering, time consumption..
@UltraRealTrueJesus
@UltraRealTrueJesus 5 месяцев назад
Ivan who strayed too far into the forest: drew a map. Ivan who drew a map: went further into the forest. Ivan who strayed too far: gave it to the Finns.
@editorrbr2107
@editorrbr2107 5 месяцев назад
That sounds like a black metal song
@literallynull
@literallynull 4 месяца назад
thats utterly cozy
@TheMoisku
@TheMoisku 5 месяцев назад
Interesting fact. All major bridges in Finland are build with ready made compartments for easy mining and rumor goes that some bridges nearer to our Eastern border are permanently mined ready to be blown at moment's notice.
@Whatshisname346
@Whatshisname346 5 месяцев назад
Unfortunately they removed the explosives after the end of the Cold War but the compartments remain. Always good to have the option l
@tanyaroberson9629
@tanyaroberson9629 5 месяцев назад
Cool.
@kanggoo57
@kanggoo57 5 месяцев назад
@@Whatshisname346 Not really unfortunate. They literally got stolen. Dont really want the local alcoholics in posession of some kilograms of compound explosive.
@PowerslideSWE
@PowerslideSWE 5 месяцев назад
Same in Sweden aswell.
@OWemanman
@OWemanman 5 месяцев назад
All Finnish bridges are built with mining space, to charge them in case of war.
@fvbtv2907
@fvbtv2907 5 месяцев назад
Fun fact: There technically is a mountain range on the border of Russia and Finland, The Karelides, But it's about 2 billion years old and most of it has eroded away so it's not much of a natural defense lol.
@tuomaslaatikainen3450
@tuomaslaatikainen3450 5 месяцев назад
And dont we fucking know it as Karelians we fought for king we fought for fools and still if Guastaf Adolfus would give our lifes and his for ua... That is why we fought for a king.
@AssarKask-kp6uo
@AssarKask-kp6uo 5 месяцев назад
Höhö 😅
@Trevor_Gee
@Trevor_Gee 5 месяцев назад
So it's not a mountain range? Fun fact, you're a typical Finn
@fvbtv2907
@fvbtv2907 4 месяца назад
@@Trevor_Gee It is, ever seen Koli? The terrain is noticeably different in that area.
@trident6547
@trident6547 4 месяца назад
The other fun fact is that although the border is long there are very few bordercrossings a motorised army can use.
@squidcaps4308
@squidcaps4308 5 месяцев назад
My family shares ownership of a private road. The government pays for the upkeep because it is between two main highways in the area and shortcuts a major intersection. You can literally drive a tank on it... which is why government pays for the upkeep.
@shinyan5844
@shinyan5844 5 месяцев назад
goverment pays for some of the road because they are near training areas and they need to use those roads to access them, or they are important infastructure that would need to be maintained anyways
@carlcramer9269
@carlcramer9269 5 месяцев назад
What, you don't drive tanks on your own road? :D If worst comes to worst, Russia will supply tanks for your tractors to pull down that road.
@paristo
@paristo 5 месяцев назад
You can drive a tank on anything. Funny fact, a Leopard 2A4 weights 55 tonnes. With its tracks the weight per square centimeter less than a 80 kg person has. In simple terms, a 80 kg person feet sunks deeper in the snow, sand and mud than a Leopard 2 A4 tracks does. Other thing is, every Finnish road is designed and built for 25 tonnes per axel. Only very new ones that are built from the ground up can withstand more than 55 tonnes, and those are very few and rare. But to that all, a three axel truck with a 55 tons load, has much higher pressure per square centimeter than a Leopard 2A4 has on its tracks. This is the reason why Finnish roads are in horrible condition and breaks up everywhere, because too much load is transported on them by private corporations, and all the money that is collected from every vehicle, was and is spent on everything else than the purpose they were meant to = maintaining the roads. Another thing is that the private road construction corporations were given privilege and national road maintenance was eliminated. In the process the asphalt mixture and use was decreased. The asphalt got stones removed that decreased its capability withstand wear and shortened lifespan few times from about 30 years to about 7-10 years. And another was that asphalt thickness was decreased from 15 cm to 4 cm. That will not withstand the yearly spring-fall freezing process but will crack and break up the pavement. With all the other different factors included, Finnish road network can't support the existing, and planned heavy load cargo transporting, nor highly corrupted maintenance business practice via privatization, and to eliminate this the government has decided to convert non-important paved roads to be converted back to unpaced dirt roads. The idea behind this is to push people to 15-minute city design that is western plan to take away last independence from the people by limiting their movement and access to outside cities or to live outside cities. One part of the grand plan was completed few years back when Finland sold out its all independent oil refinery capability, its only oil tanker and all methods to maintain and support national emergency reserves for the crop seeds, oil, petrolium, ammunition etc. Finland is almost completely dependent from the USA for all its civilian and military infrastructure, what now almost all the petroleum products and natural gas it imports is from Russia, because it is purchased from third party country at 3-5x price increase, instead directly from Russia. And at the moment the third party delivery countries are prioritizing their own needs over Finland's, that is the last point and nowhere in middle point in delivery line, that has slaved Finnish government to obey everything that EU dictates because it has no means to choose alternative suppliers. To drive a Leopard 2A4 on the roads is not a exclusive or special capability, to drive those things at all at the war time will be rarity.
@Hellsong89
@Hellsong89 4 месяца назад
@@paristo Very much this and its the reason why many consider twice is it worth to fight for this country, cause you will be risking your life protecting those that are trying to destroy it from with in and cant be removed from office as all parties are in the same good old boys club serving only interests of the globalists..
@rFey
@rFey 4 месяца назад
@@paristo I don't think he meant "you can drive a tank on it" as some kind of special feature of the road, it's probably just close to a military training area or to the border hence why they pay for upkeep and why tanks can and probably do drive on it sometimes.
@RealityCheck6969
@RealityCheck6969 5 месяцев назад
If someone would tell me Finland is under attack by Russia I would volunteer to help. They are very civilized and good people.
@churblefurbles
@churblefurbles 5 месяцев назад
Its a small dog chest thumping itself into trouble, but feel free to volunteer for trouble.
@voldemarvaglaots6690
@voldemarvaglaots6690 5 месяцев назад
You will need to walk to Finland! How far do you live from Finland?
@Dirtypandasan
@Dirtypandasan 5 месяцев назад
@@churblefurbles Haha, go on and try Ruzzian bot. You guys are getting whooped by Ukraine what do you think would happen against Finland.
@paristo
@paristo 5 месяцев назад
@@Dirtypandasan You lost to Churblefurbles in the typing speed, so you should think twice as you got whooped.
@imperio9221
@imperio9221 4 месяца назад
Its sarcasm i think​@@Dirtypandasan
@Biljoona
@Biljoona 5 месяцев назад
As a Finnish reservist, if every possible means of communication went down in case of a sudden attack, I'd still know where to go. It would take a day to cycle there although it would take another day to cycle back because they probably would tell me go back because of my age.😂 But if I were to be accepted and given equipment, it would take maybe an hour to be an effective member of a squad.
@kallekas8551
@kallekas8551 5 месяцев назад
Kyllä noin perkele!! Terveiset Australiasta🦘🇦🇺🇫🇮
@trident6547
@trident6547 4 месяца назад
Well us oldtimers could still be useful in guarding sensitive infrastructure behind the lines.
@dr.angie123
@dr.angie123 Месяц назад
@@trident6547 Yes, and never underestimate an angry mother or grandmother!
@-----REDACTED-----
@-----REDACTED----- 5 месяцев назад
When the snow starts to whisper in Finnish pray you are on their side…
@akatoshmorgul9367
@akatoshmorgul9367 4 месяца назад
*Laughs in thermal and modern camouflage*
@eemelirantala
@eemelirantala 2 месяца назад
@@akatoshmorgul9367It is possible to hide the heat signature of a man. We have that technology in Finland. You would not detect us, best for you to believe that.
@RockerFinland
@RockerFinland Месяц назад
@@akatoshmorgul9367 Russia actually copied the Finnish M05 camo if you didn't know. Type on Google: "Russia copied the M05 camo".
@karlsandstrom
@karlsandstrom 5 месяцев назад
Finlands sak är vår!
@mursuhillo242
@mursuhillo242 5 месяцев назад
Sverige kämpar till den sista Finne
@finnish_history1
@finnish_history1 4 месяца назад
Ruotsi on veljemme❤
@tuikkur.5655
@tuikkur.5655 4 месяца назад
Och Sveriges sak är vår!
@Retsler54
@Retsler54 4 месяца назад
Rysshatande finnar och svenskar kan ju gemensamt fara åt helvete.
@incumbentvinyl9291
@incumbentvinyl9291 4 месяца назад
Välkommen till NATO. OTAN Ruotsin.
@FulmenTheFinn
@FulmenTheFinn 5 месяцев назад
1:30 It is extremely likely that Leningrad's security was merely an excuse to exercise Russian, in this case Soviet Russian, imperialism on Finland. The whole premise behind Stalin's "fear", a naval invasion of Finland by England or Germany, followed by a push through the country, through the narrow Karelain Isthmus and finally into Leningrad itself, made no military sense at all (particularly with the Russian air and naval bases in the Baltic States) and such an attempt would never have succeeded. What is far more likely, and this is backed up by a myriad of events before, during and after the Winter War, is that Stalin's demands against the Finns were only the tip of the iceberg, designed to weaken the country for upcoming annexation, exactly as happened in Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, who did accept Stalin's demands. 4:00 I think this is getting a little imaginative. While it is true that there are plenty of roads designed with a potential military use in mind, the bulk of these roads have real peacetime civilian use and they've been constructed for that use. The population density on the Russian side of the border is definitely not the same as it is on the Finnish side of the border: especially after WW2 the Russians collectivised the native East Karelians, which depopulated the smaller villages of the entire region. Sometimes these villages may have been physically razed to the ground, as happened on the Karelian Isthmus. This meant the death of the elaborate road network and most of it was left to the forces of nature for decades, even more so after the collapse of the USSR. Compare that to the Finnish side of the border where the bulk of the country is dotted by inhabited villages and farms. c. 10:00 Regarding FDF doctrine, service rates (how many men of their respective birthyears serve) and women in the army, due to budget cuts c. 2010 the FDF had to reinvent itself with a guerrilla doctrine. Now with better funding and joining NATO, the doctrine is likely already in the process of being radically revamped. That is not to say the FDF won't still be capable of guerrilla-style operations; it absolutely will be. The bulk of Finnish men may have served in the military, but yearly service rates are down to 60% or less; 2022 saw the training of only 19,600 conscripts, and likely only about 14,600 of those actually finished service. The service rate's been going down for decades. In the 1950s it was over 90%. There are scarcely any women in frontline roles, "women training to be marksmen" is certainly a cherrypicked point when it's probably like 5 women out of 10,000 guys (not a real statistic, just making a point). 11:00 You're quoting the current wartime strength of 280,000 as the standing army. That is not the standing army. First let's make a couple of things clear, since earlier you also called the FDF a professional military. A professional military consists of the people employed by the military: the people who do that for a living, for a career, not the people conscripted to serve in it for X amount of months. The FDF is a conscription-based military, meaning it has a small professional core of soldiers employed by the FDF; mostly the brass and then the people who train the conscripts and the people who manage everything required for that. The exact opposite of a professional military. The US has a professional military, as does Germany, the UK, France, and so on. Finland does not. The standing military (army, navy, air force) is about 8,400 professionals. Wikipedia claims the standing military is 24,000 strong, based on a 2023 figure, but that's including all conscripts who entered service. Each year about 5,000 of those drop out before finishing service and realistically only those nearing the end of their service in June or December can be considered as combat-ready almost off the bat (without requiring extensive extra training). So realistically the standing military is around 8,400-19,000 strong, depending on the time of year. As for the reserve, first we have to understand what that is in the context of a conscription-based military: The reserve is simply the amount of men who have completed conscription who are under a certain age (in the Finnish case, 50 for rank and file, 60 for NCOs and COs, and there is no age limit for generals). Currently that is about 870,000 men. Of that 870,000, there are wartime roles prepared for 280,000 men, along with the materiel and munitions stored required to kit those 280,000 men. That is the wartime reserve. Now, in reality it's actually closer to 260,000, because they did some "cooking of the books" c. 2015 by including the border guards and some other organisations into the wartime strength, that would have been mobilised during war anyway, just not as a part of what is understood to be the FDF's wartime reserve. Currently there's probably enough materiel to equip about 500,000 men if so desired. Incidentally, in the early 1980s the total reserve was some 1,200,000 men while the wartime reserve was some 750,000 men. It's only gone down since, with the exception of the c. 2015 raise from 230,000 to 280,000. Note also that in the event of mobilisation some refreshner training is to be expected even if belonging to the current wartime reserve. 29:20 There's also the Murmansk Railway (Kirov Railway). Granted, I don't know what your definition of "viable link" is. The railway was certainly viable in WW2. I hope I didn't come off as too harsh. I think accurate information is paramount, otherwise a well-intended message can sound like nothing but propaganda to a well-informed listener.
@Underestimated37
@Underestimated37 5 месяцев назад
I mean this is the country that developed the Nokia 3310/3315. Those phones alone would be effective projectiles
@Donari
@Donari 3 месяца назад
Not sure if im allowed to share this information but our bodyarmor is made out of old nokia phones We also use old nokia phones as added armor for vehicles
@DixieBrown-i1i
@DixieBrown-i1i Месяц назад
Those were the greatest phones ever.
@HookdOnWind
@HookdOnWind Месяц назад
@@Donari 🤣
@niki75
@niki75 5 месяцев назад
A slight correction about our air force. The FAF currently operates no Gripen jets. The Gripen-E was a candidate as a replacement to our current jet fighter. The F/A 18 Hornet. Not Super Hornet. And the F/A 18 is slated to be replaced by the F-35 in a few years.
@icarusproject
@icarusproject 5 месяцев назад
Correct; on the Gripen - it may not have been abundantly clear, but the video was talking about the Gripen being supplied by Sweden, who has treaties to help Finland defend its territory - not the Gripen being run directly by Finland. One of the reasons Finland doesn’t run Gripens themselves is pretty smart. It allows them to import parts / supplies / training for other systems from other partner nations than Sweden. It’s the same reason Finland doesn’t focus on the Archer artillery system. That allows Sweden’s infrastructure to keep churning out weapons for their own use (that would no doubt be used in Finland’s defense) while Finland is able to continue to receive weapons from abroad as well. By having Finland and Sweden trained on different systems it makes their whole war effort more sustainable.
@mikaellindroos1594
@mikaellindroos1594 5 месяцев назад
@@icarusproject smart maybe????
@OrjanGrahn
@OrjanGrahn 5 месяцев назад
I also saw a Archer artilly was loaned out. 😊
@zeus04
@zeus04 5 месяцев назад
It warms my heart as a Swede that preparations are made for Swedish support long before we both joined NATO. Never again will Sweden fail to give Finland our military support in case of a conflict. The t-shirt displayed at the end is a bit cheeky but unfortunately well deserved. Swedes have much to thank the Finns for and we are grateful to have such a strong and competent ally.
@Viljuri
@Viljuri 5 месяцев назад
Correction to correction, Finland we will fly F-35s, as well as Norway. But our air defence between our all three countries (including perhaps Denmark, which is fourth), will be under a single command. That will mean, apart from other things, our Hornets will operate from Sweden and Gripens from Finland. Not that we will not able to disperse our air assets in our our own, but whole Nordics will act as a one.
@daftedd8179
@daftedd8179 4 месяца назад
In 2022 during a joint exercise with US Marines, they had a war game against each other. At one point during it, a bunch of American helicopters landed right next to a Finnish command point. Although these command points are not well suited for this kind of encounters, the Finnish conscripts moved to their positions and engaged the US Marines and a firefight ensued. The marines had been taken by total surprise and were not aware of landing right next to a CP, because it was so well camouflaged. In the end, the CP consisting mainly of communications personnel managed to neutralize the marines.
@Joni_Tarvainen
@Joni_Tarvainen 5 месяцев назад
I couldn't get into military due to my medical condition, but I love to listen people talking about their conscription times and where they'll be stationed if war was to break. I remember when I asked my dad and few relatives whom were drunk at that point of where they'll be stationed and word to word the answers went as following: "Dad: I'll be guarding the closest radio station, but honestly I'm there just to scout the best bush to take cover in 'cause those are first to go." Then he was silent for a second and slammed his hand to the table and went "How the fuck it's my fault that my spotter pointed on a wrong target? As a sniper I could at least lay down..." "My aunts husband: Well, at least you know which bush to dive in. I'll be dropped into bumfuck nowhere behind the enemy lines for sabotage. At least I can finally make that C4 dildo and blow shit up." "My dad's best fiend: Welp! I'll just do exactly the same shit I do daily anyways." (He's a truck driver) Then there was my friend who had been silent all the time and the guys asked about him and he just calmly asked "Is any of you in the Jaeger-regiment? Oh, okay... Well, then it's classified. I never get to speak about these things."
@editorrbr2107
@editorrbr2107 5 месяцев назад
Finnish artillery, Norwegian Royal Navy, Swedish tech and air power, Danish special forces - with a nuclear shield and great big check from Uncle Sam. That’s a FAFO invitation.
@B1gLupu
@B1gLupu 4 месяца назад
Not to mention the bloodthirst Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians and Poles, just foaming at the mouth to get in on the action.
@akatoshmorgul9367
@akatoshmorgul9367 4 месяца назад
And combined manpower of what 500k? that's before they start dying and most men in their countries leave and refuse to fight. Oh and by the way, the dead mercenaries in Ukraine from those countries would probably not agree with you.
@Doomerbro99
@Doomerbro99 4 месяца назад
​@@akatoshmorgul9367 71% of men in finland are ready to defend
@KoteDarasuum
@KoteDarasuum 3 месяца назад
​@@akatoshmorgul9367 Finland alone exceeds that manpower by 380k with their reserves. Also theres difference between Mercanary and volunteer. Volunteers like Ukrainian Foreign Legion are people who go to fight for another nation for no personal gain, most often on moral grounds, mercenary on otherhand, like how Wagner was, do so only for some gain like money or freedom and as we saw with Wagner, barely have loyalty to anyone and is quick to bite hand that feeds them.
@jimmyandersson5189
@jimmyandersson5189 3 месяца назад
Worth mentioning is that even before NATO it were quite likely that an attack on Denmark, Norway, Finland or Sweden, would be an attack on all of us, and we would all react to it as one. Also, we have not all built our armies around defending our countries against agressors... But, rather, we have built our armies around defending our countries against *one* specific agressor...
@Ettap96
@Ettap96 5 месяцев назад
not only is finland now part of NATO we are also part of the EU and the eu defence clause has a stronger wording than the Nato one. Nato article 5 states "individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary" and the EU one is "Member States shall have towards it an obligation of aid and assistance by all the means in their power" (EU article 42)
@dannymain542
@dannymain542 5 месяцев назад
Holy smokes this was a solid take on the topic, first video I've seen from you and every second was worth the watch. Keep it up man, great content.
@Christopher-xd5in
@Christopher-xd5in 5 месяцев назад
As a Florida Man I get the mosquitoes issues and I didn't realize all these details. Hopefully y'all will never have to use them but always good to have with that country east of you. In the same spirit. Slava Ukraine..I feel for all of you. Your defense is our defense.
@nelsonwinberg7362
@nelsonwinberg7362 3 месяца назад
our secret is that the mosquitoes are 50% of the defense. they are a different kind of psychological warfare xDD
@-RunninNGunnin-
@-RunninNGunnin- 3 месяца назад
I'm from Finland. Finland is pretty much 100% forests, swamps and lakes which means it's very difficult to move tanks and other armored vehicles here unlike in Ukraine where the terrain is flat and tanks and troops can move forward freely. Also we destroy every bridge in east to make sure enemy can't advance using them. So their tanks have to use roads, and trust me, they will be defended.
@Niko-zu7mj
@Niko-zu7mj 5 месяцев назад
"The Soviet invasion was almost three times larger than the Allied landing at Normandy on D-Day." -Ben Strout That was the scale when Stalin's huge army tried to annex unprepared Finland. The Finns won almost all of the battles but lost the war (mainly because they were out of ammo). The outcome was a moral victory for the Finns and a Pyrhhic victory for the Soviet Union. The funniest thing is that the Finns didn't even have a proper army back then because they thought there are no need for an army and they could live in peace if they just stay neutral and sign a non-aggression pact (Stalin tricked and broke the deal)
@Niilo2.2
@Niilo2.2 4 месяца назад
Kohta historia toistaa itseään.
@voldemarvaglaots6690
@voldemarvaglaots6690 4 месяца назад
Yeah, moral victory... Is it when you loose, but don't accept it!
@Niko-zu7mj
@Niko-zu7mj 4 месяца назад
@@voldemarvaglaots6690 If Stalin's huge army tries to conquer whole Finland but only gains small border territories with huge losses against unprepared Finland - That's definitely the best possible outcome for the Finns, The Finns won almost all of the battles. Type on Google: "moral victory, the Winter War" + learn
@Mikez87
@Mikez87 4 месяца назад
@@voldemarvaglaots6690 The goal for the Soviets was to occupy whole country, or at least the southern half of it. They only got Karelia and some minor parts. If it were an offensive game mode in any PC game, it would have been a defensive victory. (but it wasn't a game, and they weren't even close to achieving their goals, so they didn't win either)
@voldemarvaglaots6690
@voldemarvaglaots6690 4 месяца назад
@@Mikez87 , USSR offered exchange of lands before 1940 conflict. Guess why government of USSR moved from Peterburg to Moscow?
@rogerbartley2225
@rogerbartley2225 5 месяцев назад
Bang for your buck, Finland might have the best military in the world, they get a lot for what they spend compared to anyone it would seem.
@ekortelainen
@ekortelainen 5 месяцев назад
Yeah, the whole military is built around one thought; a Russian invasion. So we can optimize our defence force to one task only, to defend against Russians. This makes resource management very easy, because we don't have to think about how to defend against 100 different enemies. We have a saying: "if the enemy is in the west, it must have circled from the east."
@henriikkak2091
@henriikkak2091 4 месяца назад
Conscription is cost-effective
@imulippo5245
@imulippo5245 4 месяца назад
@@henriikkak2091 why don't private armies exploit it then?
@newera478
@newera478 4 месяца назад
​@@imulippo5245 Because private armies need to pay actual salaries for their soldiers.
@jesustyronechrist2330
@jesustyronechrist2330 4 месяца назад
During my mandatory conscription training in support duty, one of the main things that was drilled into us was that we had to move constantly. That we should not stay in one location preferably more than 24 hours or so. We'd make camp and then break it, night or day. It sure sucked to have to setup/breakup everything over and over again, but we sure could stay mobile.
@hoilst265
@hoilst265 5 месяцев назад
A simple definition of guerilla warfare is that your weaknesses are your strengths. If they're a big, powerful army and you're tiny - they're easy to hit, you're easy to hit. They require millions of dollars a day to fight, you only require thousands. Russia's command is practically mediaeval: as a grunt, you will be trained and permitted to, pretty much, only shoot and throw grenades and die. Anything more complex than that requires officers. The reason why so many Russian colonels and generals and such - very high-ranking officers - were getting killed in the Ukraine war was simply because, unlike in any modern army, these guys were at the front doing telling vatniks where to put mortar tubes, machine gun nests, and trenches - stuff that lieutenants and sergeants would be doing in a sane army.
@UltraRealTrueJesus
@UltraRealTrueJesus 5 месяцев назад
most of the world, in fact, contrary to popular belief, doesn't have a sane army. so it's easy to forget that.
@hulking_presence
@hulking_presence 5 месяцев назад
More wet fantasies. How many russian generals died on the front of ~1500 km? Even if it was 15 generals, it's 1 general per 100 km. So all other soldiers on that stretch of 100 km actually know what they're doing? Where are all the officers btw? You have any theories about that? No? Thought so. Also, there is no modern army that can fill a frontline of 1500 km with professional army. USA doesn't have that amount of officers. Pull your head out of your ass.
@HannesPöllä-m4d
@HannesPöllä-m4d 5 месяцев назад
Finland is most certainly a nighmare for ANY mechanized army to attack regardless of how competent the potential enemy would be. The terrain with forests, lakes and swamps create bottlenecks that will negate any enemy advantage in speed and maneuver by the heavier units. The abundance of artillery fires not only in guns but also in mortars comes from the fact that while the finnish infantry was extremely good at encircling soviet formations in Winter and Continuation war, the lack of sufficient and portable firepower prevented the finns from destroying those formations and instead forced them to attack them head on. No such problem exists nowadays as Finland possess anywhere between 800 to 1500 heavy mortars to complement a strong artillery park.
@rikuvakevainen6157
@rikuvakevainen6157 5 месяцев назад
We should take account the effect of drones. Ukraine war had demonstrated how good drones can be. Even if Finland has more forest than Ukraine and now limits normal drones effectiveness we should take them in account.
@jkausti6737
@jkausti6737 5 месяцев назад
@@rikuvakevainen6157 True, though Finland doesn't only have more forest than Ukraine, we pretty much have more forest than most of Europe put together (probably not counting Sweden). And you can bet the military has been taking lots and lots of notes about the drone usage in Ukraine and will be, and has been, implementing it more and more to the training of new recruits.
@brianhammer5107
@brianhammer5107 5 месяцев назад
and yet, Stalin did just that - and if that backward army could do it, the modern Russian armed forces certainly could, what has happened in Ukraine notwithstanding
@jkausti6737
@jkausti6737 5 месяцев назад
@@brianhammer5107 "Happened in Ukraine notwithstanding". Yes, if we deny reality there is a point. To be hoenst Stalin had a much better chance of success in 1939 than Putin would have now. In 1939 Finland barely had an equipped military, many troops were pretty much only given a belt buckle, a cocard and ammo for their rifle (which many brough with them from home), against a Soviet force that was not only much larger but also much better equipped in most ways. Today neither of those things are true.
@HannesPöllä-m4d
@HannesPöllä-m4d 5 месяцев назад
@@brianhammer5107 nothing suggest the modern Russian army wouldn't get savaged just like Stalin's troops did by guerrilla tactics.
@MrRonski
@MrRonski 3 месяца назад
And let's not forget that even without Nato a war with Finland would mean a war with all nordics.
@NothingIsKnown00
@NothingIsKnown00 5 месяцев назад
Putin sat down at the chessboard thinking he was a grand master. 😂
@hoilst265
@hoilst265 5 месяцев назад
Putin thought he was playing draughts...
@Qsen123
@Qsen123 5 месяцев назад
one of his only recorded games is him attempting a scholars mate and losing so hes definitely not some grandmaster lol
@quandangle9397
@quandangle9397 5 месяцев назад
He thought he could easily check mate ukraine in 3 moves.... 600+ moves later:
@janhgh3400
@janhgh3400 5 месяцев назад
Turns out he studied the cheeseboard rather than the chessboard.
@NothingIsKnown00
@NothingIsKnown00 5 месяцев назад
@@quandangle9397 “You took my queen, both rooks, one bishop and one knight. Now I take saw and cut board in two.”
@ajsdjkdasjksdakjdaskj
@ajsdjkdasjksdakjdaskj 5 месяцев назад
I think the video is bit wrong about the landscape of Finland. The lakes, swamps and lack of major roads make it much harder to invade not to mention to dense forests. Perhaps the one who made the video didnt remember how vulnerable soviet supply lines were on these roads. Entire divisions wiped away in matter of days
@97Jaska
@97Jaska 5 месяцев назад
yep Finlands defense actually relies on this fact way more than on anything else. The amount of lakes in east make a great border to defend from since it forces enemy to focus their power on one point in order to cause a break
@97Jaska
@97Jaska 5 месяцев назад
plus the forests plus lakss are absolut hell to attack if not even impossible. Russian army relies heavily on logistic routess and because of the lanscape one can understand how hellish those would be to maintain and create in lanscape like that.
@ajsdjkdasjksdakjdaskj
@ajsdjkdasjksdakjdaskj 5 месяцев назад
@@97Jaska Yeah. Motti tactics all over again.
@TrentSteel.
@TrentSteel. 5 месяцев назад
Exactly. Russia cannot launch an mechanized assault as described in the video. Tanks are useless in those forests.
@UltraRealTrueJesus
@UltraRealTrueJesus 5 месяцев назад
@@ajsdjkdasjksdakjdaskj are we using the artic fleet and the northern fleet as well? or are we invading by land? if by sea, nords already know there are subs there already. and both fleets patrol... so?
@kyyyni
@kyyyni 5 месяцев назад
The current Finnish fighter fleet is not Super Hornets but legacy Hornets, now being replaced with F-35s. The caverns and bunkers deep in the bedrock that can withstand any number of direct nuclear blast are not just in Helsinki but literally everywhere. As a child in the suburbs I didn't fully comprehend their grave purpose, or didn't know that the pillbox-like structures within some 200 meters or so from any residential building each had a passageway to the caverns below. Those caverns were fun places, with gyms and swimming pools and karate dojos and what have you (during peacetime). And mysterious inaccessible tunnels branching off, probably for military purposes.
@sirkana
@sirkana 4 месяца назад
Jääkiekkoa pelatessa mää aina halusin mennä yhteen noista sivutunneleista.
@krisstopher8259
@krisstopher8259 5 месяцев назад
i've been i northern finland. the mosquitos are huge and everywhere, lol. i was there for 2 months 2012 and 2019, 2012 was the worst. my whole body was covered in red spots
@numbjuhnu
@numbjuhnu 4 месяца назад
Good thing our mosquitos don't carry deadly diseases like Malaria, otherwise our whole nation would be extinct by this point. Lol
@tapsulinka
@tapsulinka 4 месяца назад
When I was in Finnish army, we had a camp at forest. I had big gloves in my hand and did manage to kill more than 10 mosquitos in one slap into my friend's back😁😁
@WeeJiiWee
@WeeJiiWee 4 месяца назад
There are no East-West highways in Finland. For a reason. There's always some kind of a small road in between that can be blown up. And it's kind of a bother if you're travelling across country. But there's a reason for that.
@Dr.Bright07
@Dr.Bright07 5 месяцев назад
1am and I have never been happier for an upload
@Luka_menorykee
@Luka_menorykee 5 месяцев назад
I've worked a lot with Finns in my career, and they are some of the most intelligent, no-nonsense, effective people I've ever met. Then I found out they all have their military training as default, just their culture. I found it strange at that time that a modern country would still have that. Then Russia invaded Ukraine and it all made sense. I wouldn't want to be in a war against Finland
@crittomato7043
@crittomato7043 4 месяца назад
As a Finn, I really liked this video. I have used a lot of odd tactics in different games and foreign people have asked "Why you'd do it like that" and I simply reply "Because I'm a Finn" trying to imply to them, that we can fight if Russia's leaders decide to be dumb once again, but we fight with our own style :D
@VFella
@VFella 5 месяцев назад
No worries about the cold plunge either. The Finnish bunker infrastructure is so large that they are using some of them to house data centres. The reason is not safety, but that it's freakin' cold down there and chilled water is always available. So, I bet they have chilled pools down there too. BTW, Europe's LUMI large supercomputer is based in Finland.
@srelma
@srelma 5 месяцев назад
The Finnish air force does operates neither Super Hornets nor Gripens. It flies F/A 18 C Hornets but has agreed on a deal to replace them with F--35s.
@l.h.3586
@l.h.3586 5 месяцев назад
Correct, but swedish Gripen would be there defending Finland.
@BFVsnypEz
@BFVsnypEz 5 месяцев назад
Think of it this way, if Russia invaded, they would have to be shitting their pants that there is a little green faced grim reaper behind every rock and tree. Their tanks and armored vehicles most likely wouldn't make it 30 km over the border before being obliterated, as Finns (paired with the harsh terrain) are probably some of the most effective tank killers in the world. Also, basically every part of the Finnish combat forces are trained and set up to be HIGHLY mobile, meaning that if you are an attacking enemy, 9 times out of 10 you are going to die without ever getting to retaliate, which would be extremely demoralizing as you could imagine. There is much more factors as well, some I know which are quite secretive, but the bottom line is that Finland punches far above its own weight.
@lawrencefrost9063
@lawrencefrost9063 5 месяцев назад
20:03 That's my ship. The ship I served on. 9 months. Good times. It was the flagship of the Finnish Navy 12 years ago when I lived there.
@rahvu420
@rahvu420 5 месяцев назад
Couple of my friends also served on the ship Pohjanmaa like 13-14 years ago.
@Chrischi3TutorialLPs
@Chrischi3TutorialLPs 5 месяцев назад
Russia does NOT have three million soldiers. That number includes ALL service personnel and ALL reserves. The actual army is only around 500k men.
@carlcramer9269
@carlcramer9269 5 месяцев назад
The Koskenkorva ad (Finnish vodka) that RU-vid added was just perfect! :D
@carlcramer9269
@carlcramer9269 5 месяцев назад
Your T-Shirt should read that Finland has been protecting Sweden from Russia for a thousand years - most of that time as a part of Sweden.
@incumbentvinyl9291
@incumbentvinyl9291 4 месяца назад
@@carlcramer9269 That makes no sense, as Finns were not fighting Russians during that time. If anything, there were a number of smaller uprisings against the Swedes during their rule. Better to keep it factually true, it's much better and more comical that way, intead of a lie of a false claim.
@carlcramer9269
@carlcramer9269 4 месяца назад
@@incumbentvinyl9291 Sweden was fighting Russia - to the last Finn.
@incumbentvinyl9291
@incumbentvinyl9291 4 месяца назад
@@carlcramer9269 I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic. The Swedish Empire had a modern, well educated and trained army at the time. Finnish peasants didn't typically serve in the military of the empire, for numerous reasons.
@carlcramer9269
@carlcramer9269 4 месяца назад
Finland was a part of Sweden from approximately 1200 to 1809. It was a poor part of Sweden, and as is usual for poorer parts of a country, they were overrepresented in the Swedish military. Especially in Sweden's many wars with Russia, Finns would be an important contingent of troops and would suffer many casualties. When Russia invaded Finland, many, many finnish civilians would also suffer.
@sempressfi
@sempressfi 5 месяцев назад
I was bummed at first cause I was super tired when I got the notification but then happily fell asleep to it when I realized I it'd be like a present to wake up to 😆 Project Icarus talking about all the cans of whoopass Finland can open on Russia is caffeine in audio form lol love the Finns 🇺🇸💙🇫🇮
@matyaksenton4301
@matyaksenton4301 5 месяцев назад
Great video overall, which was well worth the wait. That being said, I take a few issues with the part explaining how potential self-irradiation could deter Russia from using nukes. While it is indeed the case that Russia's second largest city is the only city that matters in Russia besides Moscow, but after over two years of witnessing Putin's, and by extension whole of Russia's aggressive, malevolent and suicidal insanity, I doubt Putin would hesitate to sacrifice Petersburg if he believed it would help him accomplish whatever insane goal he may have in his mind. Heck, he would probably not even mind seeing Moscow turning into a pile of rubble, so long as he could live on and continue ruling over the ruins. That is also leaving aside the fact that it is possible to use nukes without causing mass irradiation, if they are detonated in mid-air, the way it was done in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which were since rebuilt and aren't affected by any radiation. Irradiation as a result of a nuclear explosion could happen only if the nuke is detonated on the surface. Bottom line is, the only thing that would keep Putin from deploying nukes on Finland, or anywhere else, is his fear that such an act could trigger a chain of events that will speed up his own demise. Any other considerations, including the lives of Russian citizens, are of no consequence to him.
@Antti247
@Antti247 4 месяца назад
As a Finn, the background work for this is beyond impressive. It has stuff and military tactics what similar videos on the topic don't even think about. Many of these things aren't even broadly available in English. Bravo
@sebbbi2
@sebbbi2 2 месяца назад
Fun fact: These underground bunkers/shelters are used as indoors sports falicities during peacetime. As a result, there’s plenty of room for indoor sports in all major Finnish cities.
@pyrylehtonen-caponigro3198
@pyrylehtonen-caponigro3198 5 месяцев назад
Just to be clear, Finland has hornets, not super hornets. Also Finland opted for the F-35 in the future, so Finnish pilots won't be trained to use the Gripen
@l.h.3586
@l.h.3586 5 месяцев назад
But very well educated swedish pilots would be in Finland, defending their border.
@Kumimono
@Kumimono 3 месяца назад
We have Mosquitoes, tho.
@ChrisuPlayz
@ChrisuPlayz 4 месяца назад
"Russia has the best destroyers in the world apparently. They're all capable of instantly transforming into submarines."
@catchbay
@catchbay 5 месяцев назад
This video forgot one very important thing. Civilians in Finland have a lot of weapons. The number of legal guns in relation to the population is one of the largest in the world. Powerful hunting weapons and semi-automatic rifles. No Russian occupier would live anywhere in Finland for more than a few minutes... Bulletproof vests do not protect when the hunter has a rifle with good optics. If you are within 300 meters then you die. The cartridges needed to bring down big game are freely available for purchase with a gun license.
@icemanzw
@icemanzw 5 месяцев назад
Your proposal is biased the narrative you trying to put is Russia is doing this to conquer Moreland which is false.. What is happening is a result of nato aggression towards Russia the same thing facing russia will face China and China will forced to act and you and other will call it conquering instead of analyzing why we are here
@icemanzw
@icemanzw 5 месяцев назад
That won't work cause drone can detect using thermal image troops hiding in the forest
@enk7242
@enk7242 2 месяца назад
The "normal" civilian doesn't have gun, it's only the hunters (and occasional hobbyists) that can legally own a gun. But considering that the attack would stay near the border and not on the cities, yes, most of the ppl there probably have guns 😄
@sircdrom
@sircdrom Месяц назад
Great video! Love the diss at Putin about building infrastructure within Russian territory as opposed to expanding Russian territory by destroying infrastrastructure in another territory x)
@UncleJoeLITE
@UncleJoeLITE 5 месяцев назад
Yep, just 150km to St Petersburg. But 80yrs ago is was all much closer to the border. If we're fair, Finland made peace on unfavourable terms twice with the USSR between 1939 - 45. _(In fact, I've noticed quite a few unusual errors in this video. I do expect better at Icarus tbh.)_
@reme7903
@reme7903 4 месяца назад
I happen to live 20km from the border and the environment here is beautiful.
@MrSpeedyy1991
@MrSpeedyy1991 3 месяца назад
What is often forgotten in this type of videos is the bond us Finns have that we make in our mandatory military service which adds a lot to the fighting spirit. Its highly possible if we need to defend our country that we do it with the same folks we did our mandatory in the same brigade. In my town i have atleast 5 of them living 😃 Damn we had some fun in our mandatory service 😂
@Guywithaname199
@Guywithaname199 5 месяцев назад
This war you are talking about, which is known in Finland as Talvisota(The winter war) had actually a really good effect on finnish people. It united the nation divided by the previous Finnish civil war. It's really good that they survived those wars and now they are fighting with nato if something happen's. In another case I could be dead (or Russian).
@Suojeluninja
@Suojeluninja 5 месяцев назад
Funland has 24 airports including 6 military ones and about the same number of paved spare air strips. No Gripens wouldn't be operating from gravel roads.
@l.h.3586
@l.h.3586 5 месяцев назад
I'm pretty sure you're wrong. Why would you use airfields where Russia could attack these obvious places (and where Finlands american airplanes would be), when you can use roads once, and move to another spot? It's insane that Finland don't use Gripen instead, since they would suit them a lot better. But that's because of politics.
@Suojeluninja
@Suojeluninja 5 месяцев назад
@@l.h.3586 Firstly paved spare air strips ARE roads. Just broader, thicker and without obstacles for planes. Secondly getting a stone into a turbine is kind of a issue. Thirdly most gravel roads are not even broad enough for Gripen. Fourthly aerial refuelling is a thing.
@stevemac6707
@stevemac6707 5 месяцев назад
Love your content, informative and funny - plenty of good info while thoroughly entertaining to watch. Kudos.
@degeneration3
@degeneration3 3 месяца назад
Finnish winter war general Adolf Ehrnrooth visited Great Britain in 1970's. British general asked number of soviet troops posted in finland. "Over couple 100 000" Ehrnrooth responded. "Where" british general asked. "6 feet under, across the border" said Ehrnrooth.
@erictaylor5462
@erictaylor5462 5 месяцев назад
Consider that this boarder has remained stable for 80 years, with not one single hint of hostility from the Finish side, Russia has nothing to fear, even if Finland did Ally with a stronger country. So the real question is, why motivate Finland to formalize such an alliance with a stronger country by making threats and attacking other countries that border Russia?
@conveyor2
@conveyor2 4 месяца назад
It's spelled B O R D E R.
@lachbullen8014
@lachbullen8014 5 месяцев назад
It's called shoot and Scoot it's where self-propelled artillery fires off a volley and then move on to the next location.
@Wurstklauer
@Wurstklauer 5 месяцев назад
As a finn and having been through the army highways goin east- west are made to be hell for invaders. Roads not making corners for 10's of kilometres and bends being behind hills make it so you can bottleneck your enemies with no problems.
@j100j
@j100j 5 месяцев назад
Finland calls, Martin. It never forgets. The drive must continue.
@Sahtoovi
@Sahtoovi Месяц назад
When it comes to geography, Finland is basically like a maze. The lakes, marshes, swamps, forests and valleys make it so that there are surprisingly few actually traversable areas, and larger movements are easy to predict because there aren't that many options. Especially in eastern Finland, most larger roads in the countryside and forests are built so that they are significantly elevated from the surrounding terrain, which is intended to force Russian columns to stay on the roads. This quite literally forces the Russians to take a pre-determined path that is a few meters wide at best. Another thing worth mentioning is total defense as part of Finnish defense doctrine. Finnish society and the economy are organized so that they can very quickly be fully mobilized to support the war effort. Basically every company with any industrial capacity has a predefined role in the war economy. Every governmental entity also has a role and as for all I know most of them also have extremely detailed action plans for what exactly they will do if a war breaks out.
@BlackStar250874
@BlackStar250874 5 месяцев назад
Actually Finnish Air Force *does not have* Super Hornets, but currently C and D types of regular F-18's, which are pretty well updated, even with latest ground attack missiles. F-35's in the future (Eurofighter Typhoon would have been my favourite) Greets from a Finn that lives 25km away from Russian border. ✊🇫🇮
@herptek
@herptek 5 месяцев назад
Hornets are fine, but they need replacing due to the service life of the airframes coming to an end in the near future due to heavy use. F-35A will be a technical leap ahead, however. Finland will have more 5th generation fighters than Russia has. Our air force can fly in our own airspace without a need to fear the enemy air defence.
@daimonien
@daimonien 5 месяцев назад
Its pretty simple math why Finland chose F35 over any other plane. That plane also comes with an extra feature: Made in the U.S.A.
@herptek
@herptek 5 месяцев назад
@@daimonien It is better option than the 4.5 gen fighters it competed against if we want to have an advantage over the Russian Air force and their air defenses. For Finland it is a matter of survival and we can't afford to put that at risk due to some fake intra-european favouritism.
@Kvasaari
@Kvasaari 4 месяца назад
How to ruin a good comment with your own (wrong) opinion :(
@herptek
@herptek 4 месяца назад
@@Kvasaari I always find it funny when opinions are called either right or wrong, opinions being after all subjective by definition. Questions of military performance are not just matters of opinion, however. F-35 has capabilities that we need to have that the Typhoon doesn't, even though it is also a great fighter compared to 4th generation jets. There are quite a few misconceptions in the comments and in the video itself about how Finland prepares to defend against aggression. I don't mind it that people don't really know, however.
@kwyoushyt6356
@kwyoushyt6356 5 месяцев назад
LET'S GO! iCARUS POSTED!
@theconqueringram5295
@theconqueringram5295 5 месяцев назад
If this video is correct, it sounds like Finland's military should be a gold standards for the other European militaries.
@Balnazzardi
@Balnazzardi 5 месяцев назад
Pretty much. Unlike most European nations that gave up on conscript based military, we have kept that in Finland ever since WW2 ended and did not run it down after Cold War ended. Plus lets not forget we are replacing our F18s with F35s, we are doubling our number of K9 tracked howitzers to almost 100x of them, we are building 4 brand new corvette class ships (the most advanced and largest ships ever in our navy) and we also ordered David's Sling anti ballistic missile system to counter the threat of Russian missiles. Next we are planning to get brand new assault rifles to finally replace our RK 62s (although I suspect we will simply put them on storage, just in case) and most likely will put order for 100x new main battle tanks to replace the older Leo 2A4s...and ofc get proper amount of drones as well, but for the latter the reseach is going on on what kind of drones we actually need and not just buy things randomly.
@henriikkak2091
@henriikkak2091 4 месяца назад
For its size, yes
@mikitz
@mikitz 5 месяцев назад
It would be good to mention that Finns have instated the Total Defense Doctrine, meaning every facet of the society is geared towards war time economy during an invasion.
@lokkiirl4793
@lokkiirl4793 3 месяца назад
Common sense would dictate that walking into an unknow forest and trying to fight people who live there might not be the play
@Agnemons
@Agnemons 5 месяцев назад
The real question, should Russia invade Finland, is how much land would Finland end up gaining?
@hulking_presence
@hulking_presence 5 месяцев назад
The same amount as Ukraine gained 😂
@Jaegerrants
@Jaegerrants 5 месяцев назад
Why would we want any? maybe the parts that we lost during WW2 but even that is questionable. You guys have any idea how much it would cost to bring Vyborg up to speed with rest of the country? Granted having a port in the arctic sea would be nice with Petsamo, but still. Nevcer min it would either have the current Russian population or we'd have to migrate a lot of population to those places. No one here who thinks actually wants that land back... unless Russia also pays for the fixing and clean up. This time though I winder if there's a Russian general cursing that unlike last time they didn't even get enough land to bury their dead this time.
@tapaniheikonen8500
@tapaniheikonen8500 5 месяцев назад
Sometimes an tsar of russia really may have been thought what to do wit that eastern part Sweden. Alexander the one. He had no idea...that after 1809.
@JustNarge
@JustNarge 4 месяца назад
@@hulking_presence You wish Nazi vatnik but you can cope with the fact that Nazi ruSSia will ONLY be read of as a FAILED Nazi country in history books so have fun being known as a Nazi with your name completely forgotten
@Kerttis
@Kerttis 4 месяца назад
pretty much none, no need for it. karelia is a useless piece of shit these days, the only piece of land that finland (and norway) might want back is their northern sea ports
@MrMulleteer
@MrMulleteer 5 месяцев назад
Artillery is one of the main factors in Finlands defense. Finland's army has trained to focus all types of artillery within range to a single spot in a short notice. This includes shooting with varying elevations to get the shell impacts on a very small time window.
@thepaintingbanjo8894
@thepaintingbanjo8894 5 месяцев назад
Finland's border to Russia: interwoven with honeycombed trails spanning from their gulf to above the arctic circle designed for hit-and-run maneuvers Russia's border to Finland: f'king NOTHING but untouched forests and swamps Very classic Russia; if it isn't St. Petey or Muscovy, they can't even try to care or care for the importance of infrastructure.
@esahamalainen6139
@esahamalainen6139 5 месяцев назад
It's because in Soviet times they wanted to prevent their own citizens from escaping the Soviet Paradise. They built their border defense to keep their people inside, not to keep foreign powers out.
@EiraAimo
@EiraAimo 5 месяцев назад
True story: even many bears go from eastern finland to russian side of the border to have a winter sleep, because they know its totally deserted and nobody will bother them. After hibernation they wake up at spring and cross the border again back to finland :D
@hulking_presence
@hulking_presence 5 месяцев назад
Of course nobody lives there. Shit climate. Nobody lives in the north of Canada. Canadians are orcs confirmed? 😂 Also, about the "hit and run maneuvers". So you're saying Finland is preparing to hit and run Russia, but Russia is not preparing to invade Finland, not even building the roads there?
@SemtexWarrior
@SemtexWarrior 4 месяца назад
Wait, are you Swedish or Finnish ?? That "slogan" on the t-shirt is the oldest meme about russia we have here in Sweden. That the biggest defensive force protecting Sweden from russia is the Finnish army :P
@StepPogger
@StepPogger 5 месяцев назад
Those forest roads are gravel and have nothing to do with airplanes, they are for logging trucks
@NateWhitehorse
@NateWhitehorse 5 месяцев назад
The forest roads are for mobile artillery. You need to clean your ears.
@kanggoo57
@kanggoo57 5 месяцев назад
@@NateWhitehorse Theyre neither for those. Theyre literally just for logging trucks. They dont have any strategical thinking in their development source: i build em
@NateWhitehorse
@NateWhitehorse 5 месяцев назад
@@kanggoo57 That's even more brilliant. It has a civilian purpose and a military purpose. We do the same thing here in America. Most people think our infrastructure is only for civilians. Little do Americans know, it has a military purpose as well.
@KoteDarasuum
@KoteDarasuum 3 месяца назад
​@@kanggoo57 the forest roads further away from border maybe, but the forest roads closer to the border absolutely have defensive and strategic purpose, thats why they are paved, well maintained and have high tonnage loads compared to forest roads further away from border in lets say North Savonia, what would be gravel roads with barely any maintainance just for logging trucks and personal transportation for people living in middle of the woods.
@kanggoo57
@kanggoo57 3 месяца назад
@@KoteDarasuum Not really. Ive lived most of my life 30km from the border in the Kainuu region. Well maintained? what a joke, the most terrible roads in Finland are closing in on the Border. they also serve almost no tactical purposes. Sure, they can be utilized for it though.
@niskanen19
@niskanen19 4 месяца назад
Southern Finland is full of bridges and hard to pass terrain, invading force would be met by blown up bridges and those narrow routes that cant be demolitioned are covered by one of the largest artillery forces in the world 👍 and the mentioned finnish road system is heavily designed towards north - south connections instead of east - west, allowing defenders to flank, reinforce, strike and flee with far greater efficiency than an invading force can invade
@rikulappi9664
@rikulappi9664 5 месяцев назад
Despite a ton of errors and inaccuracies you miracuosly made mostly correct conclusions! 😮😅
@Ville-u8g
@Ville-u8g 3 месяца назад
As a finnish man, I began preparing mentally for the actual possibility of having to go to the frontlines, soon after the war in Ukraine started. It made me realize that all the things learned in the army, might have to be used in a real combat situation. And i prefer to be mentally ready if or when it starts. Going to war feeling unprepared would probably feel awefull.
@Sotamursu90
@Sotamursu90 4 месяца назад
One thing that rarely gets mentioned is Finnish resilience against Russian propaganda, which in contrast works well against ex-soviet states and always lays the ground work for invasion. Finns are in nature generally mild-tempered and sceptical, which makes instigating riots and internal conflict more difficult. The population is well-educated due to accessible high quality public education, which in turn helps with detecting and stopping the spread of misinformation.
@robsan2530
@robsan2530 2 месяца назад
Sweden and the other Nordic Countries are ready to defense Finland immediatly.
@ksmith610
@ksmith610 5 месяцев назад
All hail Simo Häyhä, the White Death!
@DixieBrown-i1i
@DixieBrown-i1i Месяц назад
Finnished off 😂😂
@BoneSkull94
@BoneSkull94 5 месяцев назад
We Finns say "Don't F'ck with us!"
@kristjanga22
@kristjanga22 5 месяцев назад
They have done this before with the help of the other n4zies
@Pataassa
@Pataassa 5 месяцев назад
​@@kristjanga22study history. Finn's were never nazis. After winter war, we only attached same time with nazis. To get our stolen lands back. That's it We never did those Nazi things. We just wanted our lands back. We never even wanted to get Russians lands. We only wanted to took back our own lands. And after we made a peace with the soviets, we kicked the Germans out of our country and had a war with them.
@Kumimono
@Kumimono 3 месяца назад
Elä vittuile. :)
@theAngelofhevn
@theAngelofhevn 4 месяца назад
You forgot one thing. All Bridges and Roads are made to be disabled easy if Russia would attack. Everything is built with destructon in mind. And as Finland is a ountry with 187,888 lakes and many have bridges between them. all it takes is to blow up one bridge and a motorized attack is done. Same with train tracks. Usually road ways goes over train tracks over bridges. one stack of dynamite and the road is blocking the railway with little chance to clear the rubble because of Finnish artillery. Railroad tracks goes over water between islands and you guessed it easy to permanently disable the railroad.
@DixieBrown-i1i
@DixieBrown-i1i Месяц назад
Also, Russia's own fears of invasion means their rr tracks are different gauge from every bordering nations' rr tracks, so their own trains cant use Finnish rr anyway.
@theAngelofhevn
@theAngelofhevn Месяц назад
@@DixieBrown-i1i Actually wrong. Finland uses Russian standard 1524 mm railroad width not the european 1435 mm width as Finland was in debt sense WW2, moving lumber, materials etc. to Russia as a payment. Thats why no trains from Sweden or Norway can enter Finland but railroads have gone from Finlands Helsinki to St Petersburg etc. And now its a problem in Finland actually as we dont want any buissness with Russia anymore
@JoeyFTL
@JoeyFTL 5 месяцев назад
It feels like it's been so long since your last, fascinating video. Thanks for another seriously high quality upload!
@mtpender69
@mtpender69 5 месяцев назад
The Snow: [Starts speaking Finnish]
@Metallica4Life92
@Metallica4Life92 5 месяцев назад
so, the trees haven't really ever stopped speaking Finnish. And on top of that, they now have the added mobility of modern armor? I pity the fool trying to invade that stretch of forestland :D
@paolopetrozzi2213
@paolopetrozzi2213 5 месяцев назад
"Invading first" is what Russia has been doing for the last 300 years. St. Petersburg was built in the early 1700s on a stolen territory, populated by Ugro-FINNIC populations and under the Swedish Empire. Moscow invaded it and annexed it "to protect its borders" (And gain access to the Black Sea). Then, in 1939, Moscow invaded Finland again to expand its territory or, "to protect its borders", stealing another 120 km out from St. Petersburg. According to the Russian doctrine, Russia has no borders, as its borders end when those borders are "safe". According to Russian doctrine, its borders end on the Atlantic coast of Portugal. And about the Pacific side, Alaska also is a Russian territory, and as such, it has a dangerous border with the USA, therefore its border, the Russian border, goes all the way down to Mexico. This is what Russians are taught in their Moscow School for International Affairs, where they "educate" the future diplomatic personnel and the FSB personnel.
@akatoshmorgul9367
@akatoshmorgul9367 4 месяца назад
Ending wars is what russia has been doing. and it has been a country since 1991
@voldemarvaglaots6690
@voldemarvaglaots6690 4 месяца назад
Wonderful fantasies! Russia moved Finnish border away from Leningrad. Finland it self is what it is thanks to Russia! There was no Finland before 1918... You live on lands GRANTED for free by Russia! Enjoy!
@KoteDarasuum
@KoteDarasuum 3 месяца назад
@@voldemarvaglaots6690 i proved you first point wrong in another comment earlier but yes there was Finland before 1918, Grand Dutchy of Finland to be specific, where Tzar held the tittle of duke, but didnt really lead the country. Instead Finland was autonomous region, with its own law, government (of which most notable act was granting women suffrage as first nation in Europe in 1905) and constitution, based on Swedish constitution of 1809. Finland, just like the Finnish peoples, and Uralic peoples that are natives to modern day central and northern Russia did exist before. Finland, like many nations during Age of Nationalism had nationalist movements demanding independence ever since 19th century, but they didnt gain steam before early 20th century and Tzar Nicholas II's attempts at Russification of FInland and undermining Finnish government. Also even as independent nation Kingdom of Finland gained independence in 1917, not 1918. It became Republic of Finland in 1918 after pressure from Entente to depose the king because Finland had German king, infact brother in law of Emperor Wilhelm II, Prince Friedrich Karl of Hesse, known in Finland as King Väinö I.
@voldemarvaglaots6690
@voldemarvaglaots6690 3 месяца назад
@@KoteDarasuum , wonderful! Finland was considered as a distance between Sweden and Russia! Sweden was military super power centuries ago. Baltic states, Poland and Finland have "territorial" disputes with Russia. Estonia, for example, up to date have no border agreement with Russia... These countries are in NATO now. To defend what?
@DixieBrown-i1i
@DixieBrown-i1i Месяц назад
To be fair, they have a long history of being invaded by foreign powers going back 800 years. But since Napoleon, the Germans are the only 1s who have done it in "modern" history.
@tekenzi
@tekenzi 3 месяца назад
As a Finnish person who has an Ukrainian girlfriend this video but our minds to ease because we been scared of Russia attacking to Finland but with this video i got alot of information that even i a Finnish person did not know or think about
@SZ23219
@SZ23219 5 месяцев назад
In the middle of First Block right now, and just received the notifications for this video, without a doubt, just had to click on it 😂 Your videos are more informative than the Global Politics course 👍👍👍
@alfredkabatay656
@alfredkabatay656 5 месяцев назад
Building roads is something that never entered a russian orks mind, roads are something everyone else builds. Russian orks just take them and tell everyone they built them.
@Oliverii
@Oliverii 5 месяцев назад
why build roads, when you can buy european luxury cars?
@darthsidius9631
@darthsidius9631 5 месяцев назад
I never knew that about Finnish road systems even though I am fin very nicely done!
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