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Are games losing their creative edge in favor of pandering to nostalgia and IP recognition? With examples like Skeletor in Call of Duty and Marvel sets in Magic, we explore how the industry's focus on brand recognition is eroding the depth and immersion of gaming worlds. Fortnite's success in blending diverse IPs has set a dangerous precedent, where profit trumps artistic integrity but it's not too late to push back against this trend.
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@extracredits 3 месяца назад

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@rocko7711 3 месяца назад

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@Joeballs187 3 месяца назад

This could not be a coincidence gdc unreal talks just ended

@Joeballs187 3 месяца назад

I was just in uefn from 12am to 6am then watched gdc about uefn now your talking about fortnite

@trevorromein14 3 месяца назад

Destiny 2 just recently dropped a Ship Sparrow and Ghost shell themed in the Ghostbusters style. At first I laughed, but then quickly rolled my eyes in annoyance.

@empty3038 3 месяца назад

That's also the reason why indie games are so successful these days. They are taking these very risks which large companies don't take

@minestar2247 3 месяца назад

Wasn't that one of the earlier extra credit episodes? That's insane how they inspired game theory and they are still right about that

@ChrisKetcherside 3 месяца назад

Agreed

@alex.g7317 3 месяца назад

@@minestar2247ikr, now he’s more popular than them. Crazy.

@slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447 3 месяца назад

@@minestar2247game theory?

@muratonuryilmaz5385 3 месяца назад

True but still they lack marketting and they will mostly go under the radar

@kadabraguy9846 3 месяца назад

I appreciate your disclaimer that this is just a practice which is too widespread, rather than a wholly negative practice. I love the Smash Bros series but it and other crossover fighting games are only one step removed from this practice, at least by putting in the effort to make their crossover characters feel like those characters rather than themed skins over a default character (Mii Fighters notwithstanding lol). I really love that series, both for its own mechanics and how it feels like a love letter to the games industry as a whole, but I agree that if every game tried to be Smash Bros we wouldn't have an industry left to celebrate.

@MAlanThomasII 3 месяца назад

I feel like they slightly jumped the shark when they stopped being purely Nintendo characters, but I do think that you're right in that Smash created a world in which this makes sense. *They're not skins, it's a crossover.*

@KryyssTV 3 месяца назад

The fact that the Marvel X Capcom and Smash Bros series are so popular is because this is what people want. So complaining that you **almost** purchased a crossover cosmetic but didn't due to some kind of moral highground is beyond self-righteous since every developer wants people to play their games and will jump at the chance to work with popular IPs so having this homogonisation of pop culture in gaming actually becomes a win/win for developers and players. Where it doesn't work is when it's mindlessly shovelled into a game that wasn't intended or doesn't naturally fit but that is the fault of studios selling their creative control to corpos rather than staying true to the valuew and goals that the studio was founded under. Making games doesn't require hundreds of millions of dollars but too many devs put their greed ahead of their games.

@cubee4108 3 месяца назад

there's a difference between having a bunch of characters from different ips in a game and having a whole slurry of ips tossed at a game just to see what sticks

@goldlight1322 3 месяца назад

I think one thing to mention is attention to detail. Smash actually makes the effort to faithfully adapt the characters it includes regarding how they fight in behave (though there are a few it arguably fails to do justice, like Sonic and Ganondorf.) For the most part, Smash’s characters FEEL like the originals. Fortnite’s crossovers are JUST skins. Like, you really think Thanos or Optimus Prime would run around shooting people with human weaponry? As he said in the beginning: Skeletor has no business being in CoD, and he’s not. You’re not playing Skeletor in that game, you’re playing some schmuck dressed as Skeletor.

@MaaveMaave 3 месяца назад

@@KryyssTV it's only a little self-righteous when $25 is near half the price of a new game. I gotta decide if it's worth the $25, will I actually play the game that I'm sinking money into, or am buying a digital shiny that I'll forget about.

@adjsmith 3 месяца назад

5:37 the image of non-copyright-infringing-Aang-alike holding an AK is really jarring, considering that one of the core elements of Airbender culture depicted in ATLA is pacifism. Which I suppose is on brand for the subject matter of the episode.

@pokegard 3 месяца назад

But it is fine consumer he has “energy bending projectiles” they just fall asleep But in all seriousness 100% agreed

@RedWizrobe 3 месяца назад

Plus, it helps that non-copyright-infringing-Aang-alike is clearly _not_ happy to have the AK.

@Tsupek 3 месяца назад

And now we have ATLA coming to fortnite

@RookieREX 3 месяца назад

@@Tsupek yeah lmao how ironic

@victorli2051 3 месяца назад

We already have something similar. It is called Legend of Korra.

@haydenhayden 3 месяца назад

I started playing Fortnite pretty early on in the game’s life, and the thing that bothers me the most is it’s loss of identity. Skins were just the random default characters in wacky costumes or didn’t show their faces, but they all shared a mostly uniform aesthetic. Fortnite went from “that battle royal with building mechanics” to “that game with all the characters and sometimes real life people in it.”

@TheEpicGalaxy21 3 месяца назад

As someone who's also been playing Fortnite for a relatively long while. I do understand the whole "It's all crossovers" now thing. But at the same time, gameplay speaking, Battle Royale is STILL mostly original content. Most skins I see are non-crossover ones. Epic still makes plenty of original skins and the vast majority of locations, items, lore, etc. in Battle Royale is still non-crossover content. Of course, there was that Marvel Season and now there's 3 new game modes primarily built on other IPs. But for the most part, the game has never had a MAJOR FOCUS on it's Crossovers. That's really only happened with the Playerbase...

@IronLug 2 месяца назад

The fact that you’ve just categorized the game evolving as “loss of identity” just completely shows how little you’ve touched this game This game has had more of an intense identity than it has before

@TheEpicGalaxy21 2 месяца назад

@@IronLug It always confuses me how people seem to be surprised that a game that has had weekly content updates (plus big ones every couple of months) for over 6 years would stay the same after that much time and changes. Even more confusing when in that same breath they'll also complain about how "little" the most recent update(s) add or change... Which is it? The game is too different or too same-y? In my opinion, a more accurate description would be that the game's identity has CHANGED. The identity it has now is significantly different from how it was before. This is coming from someone who started playing in Chapter 2 and only experienced Chapter 1 via Season OG. There IS a different vibe with Chapter 1, but saying that the game has NO Vibe now is a lie. Especially since it seems like MORE people play Modern Fortnite than during Season OG...

@immortal_shrooms6757 2 месяца назад

Personally i feel like chaos is its identity now, and the devs put really good work into executing it

@squiddler7731 2 месяца назад

@@IronLug What is the game's identity now? I don't play fortnite myself, but the impression I got as an outsider is that it's a revolving door, something that changes every few months or even every few weeks as new seasons come and go. If that is the case, I'd argue that it's still fair to say that the game has lost it's identity because there's nothing there for you to be attached to in the long-term. It feels like fortnite is trying to be the "everything" game, or a flavor of the month game that you come to specifically because it's always changing.

@MAlanThomasII 3 месяца назад

I miss the days when cameos were so effectively rethemed and inserted that it was a nice bonus if you knew the source material and thus could spot them but you wouldn't realize that they were cameos otherwise.

@happytriplee2831 3 месяца назад

My experience with Kingdom Hearts. I never knew what Final Fantasy was for a while before I realized they were different characters. Even the Disney characters don't feel out of place.

@xaviar10 2 месяца назад

Like when soul caliber had Darth Vader in one of the games lol

@Nieblham 3 месяца назад

Finally someone else has mentioned it! This isn't just an issue in gaming but all creative industries. Creativity is risky, therefore businesses don't make the risk. Look at hollywood, they rarely produce anything original, especially if it's live action. It's either book adaptation, anime adaptions, comic adaptions, etc. George Lucas thought Episode IV was going to fail, that he would lose money. Instead he created an amazing world that is star wars. But nowadays does Hollywood ever produce anything truly original? Creativity is risky. There's no getting around it. But creativity is rewarding in and of itself. Even if nothing is published or sold, the creator still benefits and enjoys the act of creating. Businesses, of course, can't survive off employees enjoyment. The only question any creative company will have is "What's the least amount of creativity (e.g. production time) that guarantees the most amount of profits?"

@uanime1 3 месяца назад

It also places the blame on the consumer for supporting these things, instead of the companies for making them. That's something very often missing from debates on why companies do these things.

@yoderpet 3 месяца назад

This kind of reminds me of my interest in mods for games that are "lore" friendly and the dichotomy with funny meme mods. They can be fun, but usually the novelty wears off VERY quickly

@insaincaldo 3 месяца назад

Yeah. Having a mutated wrestler drop on you from the sky, screaming about Slim Jims, is funny exactly once.

@user-zt4ur6kv6h 12 дней назад

@@insaincaldoI mean… if you add it secretly to a friend’s game…

@retanoab 3 месяца назад

To me, one key difference between a thought-out, interesting crossover and a cheap cash grab is how much effort is put into integrating the incoming characters. On the good cases, you get Marvel vs Capcom, Soul Calibur 2, Super Smash Bros, Broforce... In those games, each character is designed to be unique, and they spice up the gameplay somehow. They add variety to a game or genre. Now on the bad ones, popular characters just become skins for existing ones. And in some cases, it actually hinders gameplay, like in Rainbow Six Siege. If someone is not aware of the crossover skins and comes across one, they will not know who the character they're seeing actually is. And I'd say knowing who your enemy is on a hero shooter is pretty damn important

@zeebashew 3 месяца назад

The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles theme playing over and over in the Street Fighter lobby was so unbelievably invasive. Especially because I hadn't bought or earned any special extra lobby music so my choices. (Meaning I could only listen to the default lobby music which was in this case the TMNT theme over and over and over.) Like "I already payed 60$ for this game, you're gonna charge me to not also be advertised to in-between matches? Gross."

@rdreher7380 3 месяца назад

This didn't start with Fortnight. Maybe Fortnight brought it to the world of videogames, but I have been noticing this going on with Lego products for years, escalating and escalating until what you have now: almost NOTHING but licensed themes sold more for adult collectors than for kids to play with. Lego used to make really unique themes that really sparked my imagination in the 90s and 2000s, from Rockraiders to Bionicle. Lego makes nothing like those anymore, only Marvel, Disney, Harry Potter, Star Wars, all the same crap on the other toy shelves. When MTG started doing this recently, I realized that they are going the same route as Lego.

@Sprionk 3 месяца назад

I got some ads for Lego recently which weren't themed. Like, just generic "Lego City stuff, have fun, no branding" and it was a genuine shock! Hopefully this will be a continuing trend, but I won't hold my breath!

@ccggenius 3 месяца назад

Rock Raiders sold terribly, and most kits these days are too damn expensive for kids. They're going where the money is.

@redkingrauri3769 3 месяца назад

I think Lego in the very least made some degree of sense. As a kid you'd buy a bunch of different lego sets, sometimes ones that were unrelated or licensed for a movie/series you liked and you'd mix 'em together, have fun with 'em. It's the plot of Lego Movie and it worked that way. Fortnite just feels like it's doing that scene with Iron Giant from Ready Player 1.

@aidanhammans9337 3 месяца назад

They haven’t stopped with the original themes, they’re just less prevalent.

@twarnold14 3 месяца назад

@@Sprionk My understanding is that Town/City never went away. And there are Ideas and Creator sets that are geared more to adults that don’t have an IP. Every year they make a new entry in the modular line which is for a normal city street, and the different buildings can be rearranged in a modular nature. Bookshop, assembly square, jazz club, etc. Plus, Ninjago is still going strong, and they make a new IP to focus on for a few years (Chima, Hidden Side, Monkey Kid, Dreamzzz). So they do still make other stuff. Marvel, DC, Star Wars, and Harry Potter certainly are big; I’m not denying that. And them and Ninjaga make classic themes like Space and Castle obsolete, so they are making an impact. But I don’t want you walking thinking that Lego has completely abandoned their own concepts. Dreamzzz has some imaginative builds if you want to see what Lego is creating on their own.

@jeremysaklad6703 3 месяца назад

I think the distinguishing factor for whether a crossover is appropriate is whether it adds nuance to both IPs. That is, the existence of the crossover adds fresh perspective, whether by exploring a facet of a character or by exploring how they would react to the situation. This is a vanishingly small proportion of crossovers I've seen, but they are also the vast majority of the ones anyone actually cares about. Most of them are pointless exercises in marketing that could be removed without having any real impact on your perception of anything involved.

@kevingriffith6011 3 месяца назад

The worst ones to me are the ones that *could* have been the former, but instead wound up being the latter. The Street Fighter 6 Ninja Turtles collaboration for example. The Ninja Turtles and Final Fight (and thus Street Fighter by extension) are 100% the same genre, neither one is out of place in the other and there's fun chemistry to be had between the Turtles and Luke or Ryu, Akuma or Oro and Master Splinter: A Ninja Turtles X Street Fighter comic would be amazing. But instead we just got a bunch of overpriced cosmetics for world tour avatars and some obnoxious music playing in the battle lounge.

@Tuss36 3 месяца назад

Indeed. A big draw of crossovers would be how characters from different series would interact. It's not *just* that Master Chief and Doomguy standing back to back as they mow down waves of covenant demons would be awesome, it's that that's totally something they would do! As opposed to something like Master Chief and Homer Simpson, which might be funny but only because of how little sense it makes and it doesn't really have substance beyond that. Speaking of fresh perspectives, reminded of the Witcher 3 crossover in Monster Hunter World which was incredibly done.

@Elora445 3 месяца назад

@@kevingriffith6011 Speaking of the Turtles: State of Survival currently has an event with TMNT. Which really, really doesn't make any sense. You can get those characters, even Splinter, as your own, some of them probably not without using any money. But still, it really feels pasted on and just wrong. They could have made it make sense, with a little work, but the developer apparently didn't want to do that work. Surprise, surprise.

@austinreed7343 2 месяца назад

@@kevingriffith6011 To be fair, they did have something better in the SF X TMNT comic book prior to the game collab, which had more of a storyline with interactions. But since they blew it in the collab, it’s more likely we’ll get a Nick Vs Capcom where both IP are present, but they’re not given the fullest coverage, and they’re alongside less-logical match-ups from each company’s other IP. (Mega Man vs SpongeBob makes very little sense on its own and would only exist to facilitate the crossover game) Same with Capcom vs SNK. Originally, it was a “best fighting tournament ever” sort of deal due to both companies having a catalog of traditional fighting games; but in today’s market where both Capcom and SNK have active grounded fighters to support… not so much, the result would more likely be a game with less sensible crossover picks, notwithstanding that SNK’s non-fighters are usually less memorable.

@Baimason 3 месяца назад

That’s the main reason Ready Player One never clicked on me, everything feels so… soulless?

@Gelatinocyte2 3 месяца назад

RPO is precisely a dystopia about a corporation owning everything; Oasis is a Gmod-esque game, the crossover characters are pretty much part of it. That's pretty much its lore.

@Baimason 3 месяца назад

@@Gelatinocyte2Yes, but at the same time I saw a LOT of people and my friends saying "I love a game like that!!!", "That's the future!!" and dreaming about a game like those... and here we are... with forknife and roblox being the greatest things ever created... it's a little scary

@dimwarlock 3 месяца назад

@@Gelatinocyte2 That is exactly why a couple of years ago, most companies wanted "THE metaverse". If you forgot about it is because companies want you to forget tha fiasco it was... but in escence, Super Smash Brothers is that, Fortnite is that, Roblox is that... companies are just learning how to exploit it and sell it different enough that we don't associate it with Meta and Zuckerberg. That WILL work. People WANTS that.

@The360MlgNoscoper 3 месяца назад

Oh yeah. Ready Player One is what you get if this doesn’t stop.

@mattdarrock666 3 месяца назад

Optimus prime transformed into a semi-truck, bidding Gandalf to drive. The fellowship safely tucked in the trailer, Gandalf put the pedal to the metal, as Optimus drove forward. Gandalf, with one hand on the wheel and the other brandishing his sword through the door's window, lead the charge with a shout. ''YOU CANNOT PASS!'' The Balrog stood fast but was no match for the might of Optimus Prime and Gandalf, as it fell to the abyss and they rolled out of Moria. The lord of the ring, Fortnite edition

@random27 3 месяца назад

Gandalf shouting "Fly you fools" to the Aerialbots does sound nice.

@mattdarrock666 3 месяца назад

@@random27 Nice! Can't wait for the full release, where Megatron falls in the lava with smeagol, screaming that he's been foiled again as Starscream claims leadership (again) just to get blasted by UniSauron

@random27 3 месяца назад

@@mattdarrock666 are we saying Headmasters / Targetmasters with orcs and hobbit? And Sauron becoming the head of Scorponoc?

@mattdarrock666 3 месяца назад

@@random27 Yeah! This book is writing itself!

@VolguusZildrohar 3 месяца назад

Then Galactus reaches his hand forth, snatching Optimus from Middle Earth, devouring his spark as well as the Matrix of Leadership. Surprisingly sated by the tiny morsel, Galactus fades away seeking other worlds to devour.

@breakinggreens 3 месяца назад

I remember whem Smite started introduced crossovers, given that all the characters were based of gods in religions (with some of the religions were still actively being practised), it felt kinda disrespectful since the the Avatar and Stranger Things characters were now implicitly on the same level gods from the 3rd biggest religion in the world.

@Artista_Frustrado 3 месяца назад

well KSon is the Saint Patron of Vtubers so... /joke

@menaatefadly 3 месяца назад

@@Artista_Frustradono no you are onto something

@RyuuKageDesu 3 месяца назад

This is what happens when art is treated as industry.

@MarcDize 3 месяца назад

the "videogame industry" would kindly push back in that statement and keep looking on ways on how to raise profits and dividens for investors while reducing production costs. Unionize

@hestiathena4917 3 месяца назад

And when the larger economic system treats perpetual and exponential wealth extraction and accumulation as the only legitimate reason for anything to exist.

@RyuuKageDesu 3 месяца назад

@@MarcDize Yep, and Yep.

@RyuuKageDesu 3 месяца назад

@@hestiathena4917 Unfortunately true.

@exeggcutertimur6091 3 месяца назад

This is what happens when idiot customers spend real money on trash. You get more trash. This should really surprise nobody.

@mezzanoon 3 месяца назад

Dear artist, I really appreciate your super accurate Nagant M1895 that came outta nowhere at 2:31 lol

@Echo81Rumple83 3 месяца назад

4:17 do you know what that badly-put-together planet reminds me of? Supreme Executive Chairman Drek's refabricated planet from the first Ratchet and Clank game. he essentially wanted to build a whole new planet from other existing and vulnerable planets to replace the world his Blaargian kind was living on due to it being overpopulated and extremely toxic to live on without an O2 mask. did i mention that he polluted the previous world and this is his business model all along? so i'm not surprised the suits are into that :/

@boonlincoln 3 месяца назад

I agree wholeheartedly. I'm an MtG player and I've been watching in dismay as the game I love keeps following crossover after crossover, and even more dismay as people excitedly demand for more. I expect the full UB brigade to come round and excoriate the video, but you are right on the money.

@CSDragon 3 месяца назад

there were a couple cool ones. I support crossovers like D&D and LotR since they're inherently similar to magic...but they should be like, this cool thing you look forward to seeing once every few years not what's going on today where they'll collab with anything with a pulse

@johnblunt6693 3 месяца назад

As a primarily Yu-Gi-Oh player I think it's kinda interesting how we can have Deck themed around Dante's inferno, Star wars/the wizard of Oz, and deserts in the same game with wizards and dragons and warriors and it not feel weird but when magic just adds IP to the game it does

@Babbleplay 3 месяца назад

I play Pinkie Pie and attack! I block with Optimus Prime, and tap my Steve Urkel card to boost his defense.

@user-ep5ve3hf8g 3 месяца назад

I was interested in mtg because of the crossovers. We have to be careful with not overdoing it but magic is getting a lot of new players because of the crossovers. Still it should be non canon only for fun decks, put them on unlimited

@leetri 3 месяца назад

@@johnblunt6693 I think the difference is that Yugioh does its own takes on those instead of just putting the exact characters in. The Dragonmaid cards aren't the specific characters from that dragon maid anime, they just took the inspiration of "maids that turn into dragons" and did their own thing. That's why it still feels like Yugioh. There's also the fact that in Yugioh "lore" it's still a commercial card game, whereas in MTG it's supposed to be literal wizards casting actual spells and not a card game. Having quirky cards in a commercial card game isn't that weird, but having an immortal wizard from a fantasy land summon the actual Optimus Prime and the actual Godzilla is bizarre.

@Wuvly 3 месяца назад

This hits the nail on the head on why it upset me when CoD started doing crossover skins. I didn't know how else to explain to my friend that I didn't like the cat heads and other stuff in CoD. All I coulda say was that the "military theme" isn't there anymore, that those skins feel more in place for Fortnite.

@RayShadow278 3 месяца назад

While unthemed worlds are indeed a problem if they start becoming widespread, I'd like to point towards an example of "Themeing the unthemed" in a way. The Super Robot Wars franchise of strategic RPGs are, on paper, an example of an unthemed world. A bunch of different mecha franchises from Japan with no real connection to one another exisiting all in the same game. From Mazinger through Gundam and Macross, Code Geass and Voltes V. These are worlds that, on paper, would be hard to make connect. But the writing in Super Robot Wars games serve the purpose of creating links between these different universes in a way that makes it believable that all of these different plot threads could exist in the same world (with no "oh yeah multiverse colliding" marvel cop-out most of the time). It puts you into a world where it makes sense for Mazinger's fight against Dr. Hell can happen at the same time as Getter Robo's Dinosaur Empire's invasion of the surface, all the while the Titans from Gundam are trying to take over the world governments. TL;DR I highly encourage people who DO like to see a bunch of stuff they like interacting with each other to check out the Super Robot Wars games as an example of how to Give a Theme to an Unthemed World. And since a lot of them are in Japanese only and will never be rereleased, sail the high seas to find those fanmade English Patches for these amazing games, believe me they are worth it.

@Sinistar123 3 месяца назад

SRW is such a great multiverse series, I wish more games would do something similar, not that I trust many companies to write well enough to do it.

@Gemini_Hero 3 месяца назад

To add to this, the Project X Zone games went to very great lengths to somehow tie all those Capcom, Namco, and Nintendo characters together. Like it's not enough that Phoenix Wright and Heihachi Mishima are in a game together, Phoenix Wright is there because Heihachi hired him for a defamation case against the Mishima Zaibatsu. I love stuff like that so much!

@Artista_Frustrado 3 месяца назад

shoutouts to Ready Player One jumping so hard into the deep end people got burnt out on mega crossovers mid movies

@afterdinnercreations936 3 месяца назад

I liken this to cooking. Taking a nice bowl of mac-n-cheese and just throwing a big glop of M&Ms and lemon-slices

@twigcollins8785 3 месяца назад

We put the peeps in the chili pot and stir them all together....

@afterdinnercreations936 3 месяца назад

@@twigcollins8785 Ehh, that's just sugar and gelatin

@MechaCatFish 3 месяца назад

Thank you! I've been sick of crossover culture for years, and I'm so glad somebody else says it. I love dedicated crossovers but when this stuff happens in a supposedly standalone product, it just makes it feel like the creators aren't confident in their own work, and don't care about the integrity of their settings.

@Uberphish 3 месяца назад

The ""fun"" part is that a lot of the thinking that leads to stuff like this becoming more and more popular is also a driving factor behind AI/LLM generation. Artistic expression and the risks of creativity are irrelevant to that process; all that matters is that something is output that can be sold. It doesn't matter that it's the essence of twelve other things, slapped together via greatest-common-denominator algorithms based on loose prompts and riddled with hallucinations and inconsistencies. It passes the 'fun' test at a quick glance, and people who don't look closer can be convinced to pay for it.

@milesshelley1464 3 месяца назад

My friend, when he was going through the PS5 store while I was looking away: "Ugh, a Nicky Manage bundle? I'm so glad I gave up Call of Duty." First time I heard of this outside Fortnite.

@Shoeboxjeddy 3 месяца назад

I love the "silly idea" of a LOTR big crossover... which is literally just The Lego Movie. It was pretty good, actually, but your point wasn't bad.

@ShadowOfCicero 3 месяца назад

But what makes that movie work? The overarching idea of the story being in a child's imagination. In fact, I don't think any of the LEGO movies would work without it.

@zanforian 3 месяца назад

I have the same opinion as you do with how much I like the IP being entirely separate from how much I like the crossover. I’m a massive fan of fallout, I love 40k, but seeing fallout characters and necrons on a magic card just makes me sad. I love those franchises, and I used to love mtg, but mixing those has made me fall out (heh) of love, and stop playing.

@bobodo45 3 месяца назад

Does it dilute the brand?

@cento13 3 месяца назад

@@bobodo45Yes

@cento13 3 месяца назад

Yeah, one of the things I always admired about Magic is the amount of world building they managed to do in the text light format they had. I fell out of the game for a long while but was getting the itch to jump back in to it a few years ago - but then saw that their release pipeline was filled with crossover after crossover after crossover... and my interest in jumping back in totally died. I mean, I *love* many of the IPs they were crossing over with (especially 40k!), but it made the appeal of MtG feel suddenly bland and pointless, so I will stay retired from that game.

@zanforian 3 месяца назад

@@bobodo45 “Dilute the brand” is a very corporate term for what I’m feeling. I’d say it’s more like the intrusion of these unrelated properties has spoiled the appeal and diverged what magic is now from what I liked about magic. If I wanted to use a literal interpretation of “diluting the brand” though I think that would also apply. There’s more than a few trading card games specifically designed around crossover fights, and if magic starts involving too many other IPs it will stop feeling distinctly magic, and merge into that kind of nebulous space where the card game is lost amidst a focus on mashing different action figures together.

@rat1223 3 месяца назад

crossovers used to be novel and exciting. Now I see a crossover and just think about the suits shaking hands and snickering at people who're paying for them to cut costs in creativity.

@austinreed7343 2 месяца назад

The last decent crossover was… The Lego Movie? Smash Ultimate?

@perlichtman1562 3 месяца назад

Thank you for saying this! Sometimes I feel like I’m going crazy when I see how many people are supporting post-modern mish-mash of unrelated IPs into game worlds vs. those that favor organically expanding the original world of the game. Back in the 90s I never once thought that Final Fantasy VI would be better if I could just shove in some of my favorite X-Men, for example. Sure it was sometimes cute when we got free cameos from related IPs in some games back then (like Street Fighter 2 characters in Final Fight 2 or Cloud a little later in Final Fantasy Tactics) but for the most part the game worlds felt mercifully self-contained.

@MMORPGdude01 3 месяца назад

I love The Masters of the Universe movie. The Skeletor actor (Frank Langella) was phenomenal. Man, I haven't watched that movie in forever. I'll have to put it in the queue.

@lincolntanner7276 3 месяца назад

I think there is a big difference between Fortnite and something like COD because while COD becomes an unthemed world, Fortnite has been building a world themed on all these things coming together. From the start, Fortnite was focused on being a much more silly and less serious game than most as well and it has a whole story that spaned over about 5 years that even has comics that tie the Marvel and DC characters into the storyline. The summary is there is a time loop and the bad guys are travelling the multiverse to bring characters to the Fortnite island including even cinematics of this tying these characters to the lore of the game. Fortnite has a lot of other IPs but there are still many more original skins being released than crossover skins. This is also why Indie games are blowing up as AAA games get bad reviews because as you said so many of them just feel like cashgrabs.

@ToastyCoyote 3 месяца назад

Its smashing the action figures together. Its fun but fleeting, until you buy more toys. Then the cycle begins.

@vaiyt 3 месяца назад

Very funny that i never played with my toys as the characters they were "supposed" to be, i always made up my own identities and stories for them.

@SuperSmashDolls 3 месяца назад

Fun fact: the reason why Goku isn't in Smash is *specifically* because Sakurai had a rule of "only put in characters original to videogames". Even Sora's Smash rep was specifically cleansed of anything Disney. Minecraft, Dragon Quest, Sans, and Banjo-Kazooie were absolutely insane DLCs but they didn't really feel out of place beyond the initial meme value.

@Linkopoop 3 месяца назад

What about Sora's Mickey Mouse Keychain?

@Robotmudkip99 3 месяца назад

@@Linkopoopthere is a Mickey game

@SuperDestroyerFox 2 месяца назад

@@Robotmudkip99 Mickey wasn’t an original game character. I still thing the key blade is fine just because it is nigh impossible to remove that without seeming stuck up. Plus it’s just a symbol and not the character itself.

@Girbicfluzz 3 месяца назад

It is so rare that there is a video on any channel where I 100% agree with literally every single word up to and including the choice of sponsor and the unhinged degree of skeletor love. 10/10, no notes.

@delongjohnsilver7235 3 месяца назад

I do have a minor gripe of a sacred time in media as most art past and present was made because someone with money wanted it made a certain way. Di Vinci and Micheal Angelo were able to make art because they had patrons, and classical music is homogenous as a genre because noble courts likes hearing the same sounds over and over again. This isn’t to poopoo on having value in art or the intrinsic values we get from taking it in, I’m a Transformers fan after all, but art has been incidental to people with a lot of money wanting a thing for hundreds of years.

@markguyton2868 3 месяца назад

True, but there is a difference between "asking for a Mona Lisa but Peter Griffin" and "taking the Mona Lisa and painting Peter Griffin in the background".

@delongjohnsilver7235 3 месяца назад

@@markguyton2868 I feel that I feel that, its more a critique of the argument than trying to lampoon it :)

@markguyton2868 3 месяца назад

@@delongjohnsilver7235Ah, ok then.

@jacobshore5115 3 месяца назад

You know, what you’ve said here might also be why Fan fiction is hard to get right and is often frowned upon.

@firesonic23 3 месяца назад

Im going to play devil's advocate with Fortnite for a second here. Well yes, fortnite does include a lot of third-party crossovers as skins and emotes. It still has a lot of original content and story.

@IliyaMoroumetz 3 месяца назад

You think the Corporates will stop just because there's already one Fortnite? Oh, my sweet summer child. Remember what Bobby Kotick did to guitar hero and the music game genre? This is the future where the money people, not the creatives, are making the decisions, damn the consequences.

@stevemcgroob4446 3 месяца назад

Sadly yes, probably, but much like what happened with Netflix and streaming sites, everyone will want their own streaming site so companies will rush to make poorly designed and ill-thought-out services that no one asked for. When they turn out to be garbage they'll inevitably fold and layoff hundreds of people and the survivors will conglomerate into two or three sites because that's all market demand can support and the only winner will be Netflix/Fortnite because they started the trend and, surprise, are the only ones who know how to make money off of streaming/live service.

@Mr.Brothybear 3 месяца назад

What Happened to Guitar Hero? Or games like it?

@ASLTheatre 3 месяца назад

Something that annoys me when younger kids see a character who was featured in Fortnite. Then the kids will say “It’s ______ from Fortnite!!!” Not recognizing where they are actually from.

@Demmrir 3 месяца назад

This will be everything in a few dozen years. Without any new IP or any care for world consistency, all media will be just an endless cycle of existing familiar characters from the 50's, 80's, etc remixed into new content over and over. We're falling back into the age of mythology where everyone knows who Batman is and several stories about him but they're disjoint, sometimes mutually inconsistent tales.

@TheEpicGalaxy21 3 месяца назад

I mean, you can't particularly blame them if that's the first/ only time they've seen said character. Though I do like to think that most players know when a character is a crossover character. Even if they don't know where exactly it is from.

@alexrettig7402 3 месяца назад

It's not just children that do this and it drives me crazy. I am of the firm belief that our endless parade cameos, sequels, spinoffs, and reboots actively prevent people from engaging with the source material that they draw from.

@TheEpicGalaxy21 3 месяца назад

@@alexrettig7402Aren't Sequels and Reboots just meant to be more of the source material though? You're not going to forget where Shrek is from just from watching Shrek 3 or whatever. It's Crossovers and randomly inserting them into other franchises they have no reason to be in that's a problem.

@brastionskywarrior6951 2 месяца назад

They need some media literacy

@mofohasteheyelazors 3 месяца назад

Gonna quote "Design used to be more important than bizdev" out of context all the time, thanks

@AtrociousNightmare 3 месяца назад

Dude, that Skeletor impression was top notch!

@thatonepossum5766 3 месяца назад

4:53 this is basically the same thing as graphic tees, too. My favorite shirt is from the Cincinnati Zoo. It turns me into a walking advertisement for said zoo. I don’t care, because I like how it looks and the fabric I comfortable, but I am undeniably a walking billboard the second I put it on.

@MattBarrIsTricky 3 месяца назад

This episode really raised my respect for you and I've been watching EC for YEARS. It's going to make you some enemies but it definitely made you some fans too. Nicely said, Matt!

@samanderson7057 3 месяца назад

My normal expectation: Single player sanity with a consistent story. Multiplayer as a hallucinatory stew of possibility. If done very well, a third space with consistent reskin combining the mechanics of the game with the feel of the cross promotion.

@MakusinMeringue 3 месяца назад

...Reminds me of Metal Gear Online. You have the stories in singleplayer, while the multiplayer is just turning the wacky mechanics up to 11. Turns out it has a stupid high skill ceiling

@mesektet5776 3 месяца назад

I still haven’t forgiven you, Fortnite for co-opting the reveal of the big bad of Star Wars and forcing me to get footnotes in the actual movie.

@Babbleplay 3 месяца назад

My issue is Fortnite never delivered on what they promised at the outset. The Team of players vs growing zombie hordes game.

@dolphinsniper 3 месяца назад

@@Babbleplay I know right? I genuinely enjoyed the tower-defence rougelite it was originally, but basically no one remembers that anymore.

@Babbleplay 3 месяца назад

@@dolphinsniper It was supposed to be the actual game. They just got sidetracked by the explosion of fame the Battle Royal got. I could understand that, but, it's been years. They've had enough time and money to hire more people to actually provide the Team Vs Zombies game they promised. THAT was why I had interest in the game in the first place

@dolphinsniper 3 месяца назад

@@Babbleplay I mean, they have the money for it. But that would mean spending money on something that might not even sell (as I don't think it did well until its transformation) and they are best game in the world, so why bother? ... I want it so bad, but I can kinda get where they are coming from sadly.

@MakusinMeringue 3 месяца назад

@@Babbleplay Yeah, as someone who was quite interested in Save The World for the years before it released, it's a shame to see what was essentially a new "Orcs Must Die" kind of title go down the shitter

@Pravaification 3 месяца назад

6:18 This is like that Patton Oswald monologue from Parks and Rec when he filibustered the idea of Marvel and Star Wars merging

@johnalbers6153 3 месяца назад

I feel like Helldivers 2 is a fantastic counter point to the importance of worldbuilding done right

@slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447 3 месяца назад

deus ex: human revolution really changed my life. it made me see the problems in something that i previously thought was purely positive, and it made me understand that a wrok of art can be great, even without taking a stance, hell, it actually showed me that you can present an idea and bring forward in the public consciousness, without necessarily supporting it. the game jsut said "here are all the stances on the issue, now you decide which one you believe in"

@vecnasleg8786 3 месяца назад

The thing that I think separates Fortnite from it's predecessors in IP collaboration is that almost at the very start when it fset up it's first collab, they'd already set the goal of being a pre Metaverse playground experience, something which they are expanding even more on currently. And I have to give the devs some credit into actually putting in the effort of trying to make their cosmetic collaborations not just be cosmetic collaborations going as far as having events, or taking the collabs and making the game's own lore (yes fortnite has lore) work with these collabs an (The Fortnite island actually be this omniversal pocket reality controlled by a secret multiverse spanning society. We all know the meme "it's the thing from Fortnite" and the fact that so many other AAA games have tried to mimic its methods, but despite all that, what makes Fortnite still so successful in what it does with it's IPs is how much effort is actually put in to make them actually feel special and worth experiencing even if you don't purchase any of the collab's cosmetics (You definitely will tho). Not everything should be a Fortnite, but you have to admit, when Fortnite does it's thing it's darn sure good at it.

@fyzxnerd 3 месяца назад

It's sad to me that games with strong narrative worlds are also falling into this stuff.

@JohnnyEscopeta 3 месяца назад

Best EC video in years.

@randommaster06 3 месяца назад

On mtG specifically, WotC tried many rimes to expamd the MtG IP into other media. None of it really saw any success. Rvrn the books got discontinued because few people cared about the story beyond major events. Some of the crossovers make sense (Godzilla and Dracula were direct inspirations for two sets, LotR was a formative work in creating D&D and the MLP cards were silver-bordered so they were set apart from normal cards and were part of a charity event), but most crossovers don't make much sense. The recent Fallout and AC cards feel really out of place.

@dieselshotfinalcut1628 3 месяца назад

From "games should cost more, actually" to this-it seems Extra Credits is on the right side of history on the money note this time.

@geraldthesupreme5479 3 месяца назад

I liked when Pizza Tower featured Mort the Chicken for no reason at all.

@arghsonofcliff 3 месяца назад

Fortnite still has a story going to keep it fresh.(Dam if I know what it is) I see the skins as a sideshow.

@TGBloke 3 месяца назад

I feel that a step was missed here. Yes, they would stop EVENTUALLY if the money from the crossovers slowed down. However, first they would go "it's not making us enough money. QUICK, DOUBLE DOWN ON THE CROSSOVERS!" making it worse for a while.

@LupusGr3y 3 месяца назад

Universes Beyond is why I stopped playing Magic the Gathering. When my elves started fighting Space Marines, I couldn't take it seriously anymore. It killed it for me.

@siegebug 3 месяца назад

I think what Matthew Krol hates is actually some games don’t put in the effort in their world building for some crossover to make sense. I know when I do customizations I dress myself in ways that make sense to me, like some character won't use a gun, even if the setting is a simulation.

@crashstarr6531 2 месяца назад

Wild this video topic didn't come out right after that time a major star wars canon event happened exclusively in fortnight lol

@foristrothbert568 3 месяца назад

Now EC can say how it breaks immersion for random stuff shoved into a setting when it has no reason to be there, but ask them if wheelchairs belong in D&D or is having forced diversity in every single historical setting where it would never be there make no sense, and watch them spin like the dickens to shift positions and then say the exact opposite thing because "reasons."

@VaneHartless473 3 месяца назад

I haven't thought enough about this to explain my reasoning but I feel like the phenomena of guest characters in fighting games is completely different. Homelander in MK as an example really doesn't help your point any more than arguing Akuma in Tekken hurt the game or would bringing up the existence of Marvel vs Capcom. Like Idk man, MVCI bombed hard at the near height of the MCU and the apparent resurrection of "Capgod", despite being mechanically satisfying and fans still shout "whens Mahvel" and I can't believe that the general public wouldn't love another opportunity to smash those dolls together. Would it be nice if those dolls came from series close in theme? sure I guess but otoh everyone wants their fave in Smash.

@darthtace 3 месяца назад

Calling out Mortal Kombat for Homelander is a bit weird when strange guest characters have been a staple of fighting games since... off the top my head, Soul Calibur II, but let me see if there's something older... Apparently it's Data East's "Fighter's History" with Karnov in 1993 -- only two years after SFII came out. So it's basically been a part of that genre since the beginning. Fighting games are a good place to have that sort of thing -- their stories and worlds take a backseat to characters, so dragging in something from outside it generally isn't super jarring (outside of Star Wars in Soul Calibur -- that was dumb).

@Robotmudkip99 3 месяца назад

Same with John wick he fits pretty well and payday is pretty stupid let’s be honest also hotline Miami was great jacket is really well fitting his points aren’t that good.

@MakusinMeringue 3 месяца назад

@@Robotmudkip99 It's also the fact that PAYDAY itself is based off of the classical heisting films, so they try to get thematically consistent DLCs like that. Scarface and John are from the silver screen but have the action chops to feel at home. Hotline Miami is inherently an action game, so Jacket feels fine there.

@ReikaSensei 3 месяца назад

I mean, yes Fortnite popularized it, but I think the cash grabby part is a symptom of a company's greed rather than anything else. I play a lot of Jpn games and collabs like that are normal. They usually integrate them pretty well with a full on event with crossover story though and sometimes some of the items for free so I'm kind of used to it and don't let it bother me. This is just a newer thing in the West, so there's no reference for best practices. Also, Jpn side they have laws to prevent gambling and funding organized crime that sometimes loop in video games, so Asian companies and Asian servers tend to do more integrations and freebies probably because they need to differentiate from gambling apps and reduce the stress to buy that Western companies tend to have in gacha games. If even drop rates are misprinted it's a huge scandal and there's huge in-game compensation it's such a big deal to do collab events and gacha mechanics right.

@armorbearer9702 3 месяца назад

You do have a point. It is weird for Batman, who has a strict no guns policy, shooting guns in Fortnite.

@KamenMasked 3 месяца назад

It's Frank Miller's Batman.

@TamTroll 3 месяца назад

thank you for putting all this into words. I've never been able to get into games like fortnite or saints row 3+ for exactly this reason. they're too "silly" in my own words. Gentle nods and references could be okay, like Rasputen from Psychonauts showing up as a car decal in Brutal Legend, but that's about it. If the game can't take it's own plot and setting seriously, why should i?

@Ryu_D 3 месяца назад

Thank you for the video.

@matthewbelamont5800 2 месяца назад

Skeletor in Fortnite world be sick af

@ScarabD 3 месяца назад

... ok but for real, tony the tiger dancing across the screen in castlevania would at least have been very funny XD

@Jebbtube 3 месяца назад

Guest characters in games go back to the late 90s, and that's arguably where this trend started.

@writeon2593 3 месяца назад

There's this card game that I like to play with my dad called "Smash Up." It has no theme, but that's the point. There are decks for all sorts of things (from aliens to grandmas to magical girls, I could go on), and everyone plays with a deck that is only theirs, but is a mix of two of the individual decks. I think it was the last time I played when I combined the steampunk deck and one inspired by Power Rangers. When the game is built around the crossing over of themes, it can be a great experience. Now you have to imagine how the steampunk machines are going to hold up against Russian bears and tornadoes (bears and tornadoes are decks and my dad did mix them). That's just fun!

@pickle9232 3 месяца назад

John wick was in payday before John wick was a movie And it is payday the game already makes no sense that is what made it fun

@squiddler7731 2 месяца назад

Oh my god, I just realized this video was made before the AtLA crossover. That's amazing lol

@carterhunt548 2 месяца назад

you took the words right out of my mouth!

@ThePiachu 3 месяца назад

I mean, things in the similar vein have been in gaming for a while. Early games were made by nerds that loved referencing other nerdy things they were into. Take Conker's Bad Fur Day from 2001. It was a collectathon platformer, but also had entire segments about Saving Private Ryan, the Matrix and Alien. Or heck, the entire concept of Super Smash Bros is just a mashup of characters owned by a single company that also have no coherence. I guess if you take things back really far, back back in the day kids used to just play with whatever toys they had on hand without a regard for where they came from. But that changed with Star Wars coming out and focusing on branding toys as a part of a set, so kids didn't play toys anymore, they were playing star wars with star wars toys. But I agree that if all the big games focus on being just tonally all over the place with tossing everything in like Space Jam 2, it will just all lose its meaning. But hopefully, something like that will be self-correcting and people will crave thematically coherent games that let new ideas thrive...

@Sientir 3 месяца назад

When LEGO Star Wars sets first came out, it was awesome! But I also loved the original LEGO IPs: Aquanauts, Exploriens, Rock Raiders, Bionicle, and more. But now? Now LEGO still has original IPs (Ninjago and some nostalgia-mining ones), but the majority of sets seem to be licensed IPs. I don't mind some of the latter, but I miss the former. I don't want LEGO's space sets to all be Star Wars and Marvel and DC, but they are (so far as I can tell). You've described the problem quite well. Do I like the Lord of the Rings Magic set? Yes. Am I looking forward to the Final Fantasy set (that I believe is coming out next year)? Yes. But I want the majority of Magic sets, like 80%+, to be...well, Magic. Some crossovers are fine, but I don't want Universes Beyond to become the majority of what Magic is. Super Smash Bros. is really interesting to consider in this context as well. There, at least in Smash 64, it was explicitly themed as toys a kid was having fight each other (that's what the Master Hand is, after all!). Somehow, Smash has its own identity, at least to me. I think that's interesting.

@SkipperWing 3 месяца назад

I just had a flashback to my childhood when you mentioned "Aquanauts." good stuff.

@Sientir 3 месяца назад

@@SkipperWing I loved those sets so much. :D Still do, honestly. There's a website out there that's basically a directory of all LEGO sets, and wow, is visiting it a trip down nostalgia lane.

@briankelly1240 3 месяца назад

To be fair, Smash Brothers was doing IP crossovers in the 90s before fortnight existed.

@kingchangling 3 месяца назад

like he said near the end having some isnt a bad idea but its that recently they are learning to just stuff ips in games is making them more and more money and making it an unthemed world out of themed games.

@EmeralBookwise 3 месяца назад

Smash Bros also created a framing device to justify the nonsense by making all the characters toys with the fights implicitly playing out in some kid's imagination.

@tont39 3 месяца назад

Super robot wars.

@TenzaBurabura 3 месяца назад

I don't have any issue with crossovers. I just think they should 1) not be be forced on players during single player experiences, and 2) be outside of a "sacred space", like there being a Magic format that keeps all crossover cards out, or keep them out of ranked matches. This is kind of the Smash Brothers approach of including items in casual play but removing them from serious play.

@ShadowEclipex 3 месяца назад

I love crossovers, so much so that I find myself getting interested in a crossover of properties I had little to no interest in. But ironically the way Fornite did it never appealed to me, and I think you explained why rather well.

@peterk7931 3 месяца назад

Ready Player One: The Game

@xxJing 2 месяца назад

For the most part there is a theme for Mortal Kombat crossovers : violence. Mortal Kombat's theme in general has always just been violence so it works.

@Tenlade 3 месяца назад

This tactic is actually not that new. Phantasy star online 2 had been doing anime costume collabs in japan for half a decade before fortnite even existed, and gacha games have outright lived and died based on crossovers. What fortnite did do was show a lot of game companies how much obscene amounts of cash it could make.

@conradojavier7547 3 месяца назад

Fortnite started as a Zombie Survival Game when it debut.

@ryangrover4959 3 месяца назад

I love that Walpole made an appearance!

@OrionKaelinClips 3 месяца назад

Because Fornite made their whole brand to basically include other brands it more or less works (at least from the outside, I don't actually play it.). For CoD it just seems extremely odd. Mortal Kombat crossovers always felt weird but at least they were violent characters. Kingdom Hearts surprisingly made it work, and is maybe a reason its gone so far now? Some other crossovers can work quite well if the theme fits like The Pirates of the Caribbean and The Legend of Monkey Island crossovers with Sea of Thieves. But less so with the Halo cosmetics that are also in the game, or that Master Chief cosmetics are in Rainbow Six Siege :|

@Bardic_Knowledge 3 месяца назад

A point of order on the MtG Universes Beyond stuff: none of the non-Magic properties are part of the Magic world, and Magic is still releasing as much original content as before. There's maybe two or three UB stuff a year. Most of it I don't even care about. But I got all the Doctor Who decks and I'm planning on getting the Final Fantasy stuff next year, because I love those franchises, and think it will be cool to have stuff from them in my Commander decks.

@giglioflex 3 месяца назад

Universes beyond is why I stopped playing magic (and I've been playing for some 18 years). The fact that all those cards are legal in competitive settings has completely bastardized competitive play. The worst part is that many of the Universes Beyond cards are strong and are essentially required in many top decks. It's no longer magic, as the video points out it's just a jumble of mixed IPs.

@Rynosaur94 2 месяца назад

You're part of the problem. And I bought all the Fallout decks, and I'm part of the problem.

@danielsantiagourtado3430 3 месяца назад

Love your content guys 😊😊😊❤❤❤

@Googledeservestodie 3 месяца назад

That Lord of the Rings scenario is literally just Ready Player One but with a better storyline

@arx3516 2 месяца назад

I love crossovers, but they have to be made properly, making so that the universes and lores fit seamlessly. Most crossovers however only care about having the main characters neet each other, even if it doesn't make any sense. For example, you can have a good crossover between Universal Century Gundam and Halo, but inly as long as you put the events of Gundam in the far past, wich would drastically change the status quo in interesting ways.

@AsteriosChardalias 3 месяца назад

I'm all for original characters and worlds in my own media consumption. But as an English as a foreign language tutor struggling to come up with exciting topical material, I must say Fornite has done me a solid. Many of my younger students play the game and it's an excellent way to get them interested in a varierty of established content which would otherwise appear irrelevant or even obsolete. Virtually none have had previous interactions with most of the original IPs. But a ride in the battle bus and whoosh, instant topics for days.

@andrewbushok5824 3 месяца назад

Peter: oh my god, it’s Robert Walpole!

@prop-a-gent 3 месяца назад

Man.. This really just emphasized my current disenfranchisement with Magic the Gathering... I've been deeply involved in that game for well over a decade, but their recent deluge of crossovers and rapid releases and gimicky worlds (To a new, superficial extreme.) just left me feeling.. Empty. I would have been fine with it if they kept their crossovers with a distinct silver border, playable but something players opt into and agree to do, not the default.... But no, it's so deeply engrained now, that you have to take great efforts to opt-out and agree not to engage with, and that's something few groups I've seen are willing to do. But hey, I guess in some ways it's good for me.. One less thing that I'll be spending my money on..

@fortheloveofexy 3 месяца назад

What's interesting is there IS a space in gaming for games that shove a bunch of disparate IP together- fighting games! Super Smash Bros, Tekken, Soul Caliber, Capcom Vs Marvel... so many of these games use this tactic, but it WORKS because the games aren't so much about the world as they are "who is the strongest/best character"

@TheStarBot 3 месяца назад

I don't think Capcom vs Marvel applies anymore with now with Disney in the picture

@TheStarBot 3 месяца назад

Also Tekken went crazy of the unessarcy crossovers recently Remember Logan?

@jasonlarue5694 3 месяца назад

The one thing I enjoy about Universes Beyond is it gives me less sets to worry about. And Magic isn't giving up the World Building yet. Loved Murders at Karlov Manor, especially the story. Can't wait for Bloomburrow. And I'll admit...my finger's are crossed for a MIguel O'Hara card that transforms. :D

@jons787 3 месяца назад

Ironically, the Fortnite store wouldn't work at all if it wasn't for all the world-building and curation of the IP's Fortnite is constantly hawking at players. For example, if 90% of our experience with Batman was seeing him inside Liberty Mutual or Raid: Shadow Legends commercials, then you can bet that the Batman skins would be selling for far less. So as a silver lining, the spread of Fortnite-like games will have an upper-limit, because if every game was a crossover-craving unthemed world, they would have nothing to sell.

@SuperSupersoda 2 месяца назад

Not going to lie, Starscream getting the Ring of Power sounds awesome!

@postapocalypticnewsradio 3 месяца назад

PANR has tuned in.

@nitrofish55 2 месяца назад

1:14 ermm aktually..john wick does include his pencil...just no keanu 🤓🤓 all jokes aside this was an amazing video and i really enjoyed the thorough breakdown of unfortunately, what many modern games look like now, great work! :)

@AnnCatsanndra 3 месяца назад

Context does a lot of work. But context, generally speaking, is at once invisible and non-existent if the bounds of the "whole" is not defined. And having open-ended DLC/Patch-driven live-service type games means that context is rarely ever cemented.

@player1_fanatic 3 месяца назад

Wait, didn't this start when they included Joda and Vader, as separate console exclusives, in Soulcalibur series?

@neonoah3353 3 месяца назад

No, the game still has its plot, having 1 or other guest character doesnt hurt it as much as having a lot of them and almost not plot on its own. Another example, but a good one, would be x men and street fighter, both started by themselves, but by combining they became something bigger in the fgc, but then theres the bad example, being mvci, which instead of caring for the series, it devided to go for brand reconition, removing the fan favorite characters, and adding mcu characters.

@austinreed7343 2 месяца назад

@@neonoah3353 Yes, and this is why I view Capcom crossovers as being at a crossroads. If we get a CvS3 they might focus more on brand recognition to make up for SNk being niche.