Cale The Nail! PB lmao 😂. This comment is funny as fuck. I had just saw that part and was like dude, you just got shot 🥴. Or the part where the dude got shot in the head and was like “he got me but I don’t give a fuck” 😂.
Valconize lmfao dude I was wondering the same thing and what's funny is that my dad and I were literally just talking about suppressors and subsonic ammunition. I've asked my dad about things like this multiple times to confirm my suspicions about it. Cause why not.
Other factors that make suppressed shots louder are gasses escaping from the action (self loading weapons only), the action of the weapon itself (same), and the noise made as projectiles pierce the sound barrier. The first two problems can be solved by opting for a bolt action weapon, which is less than common for pistols, though hardly non-existent. The problem third can be solved with subsonic ammunition, which doesn't pierce the sound barrier, but suffers at longer ranges, and generally doesn't hit as hard. You can get pistols and rifles chambered in .22 that take suppressors that are pretty close to silent, and even larger calibers can be pretty quiet with the right setup. Still, nothing like the movies. You're sure as hell not going to leave people oblivious when you're rocking an automatic or semi-automatic weapon.
I swear I thought the whole time about Arma 3 and how the suppresors there are louder than in most games but still VERY useful, because you usually have much bigger fighting distances in multiplayer and at times you don't hear shots at all if the enemy is over 400m away or they are so quiet you can't find the shooters locations. And if you are not up against players but NPCs, their detection radius of the shot is also reduced. So silencer still give different gameplay options in Arma, even while being nearer to the real thing.
I like how some games do things different rather that'll just make the gun quiet but it affects gameplay mechanics. Look at Battlefield 4, when using a silencer you don't show on the mini map, of Battlefield 5 where if you have the M3 Grease Gun with the suppressor it sounds similar but the damage indicator doesn't show the direction your getting shot from.
What "annoys" me more is how in action movies, people have shootouts in hallways and whisper intel/commands to their partners in-between shots. Also empty cases hitting the ground louder than the gunshot. Suppressed or not, that's just not happening. Outside in a desert, in a forest with lots of moss or in an anechoic chamber, that should be totally doable with a suppressor.
One thing you guys are forgetting about is they use water-pooling oils to keep the inner suppressor baffles moist and also that makes a difference it depends on what kind of ammunition used subsonic and supersonic
I'll tell you what I have personally experienced: When using suppressors with low-caliber, sub-sonic ammo (.22 super shorts) you really can get a tiny pop, hiss, and low-flash. Like the movies. But anything super-sonic or larger-caliber, the noise will increase exponentially. Any projectile that breaks the sound barrier is a lot more loud, due to the supersonic boom it produces. It's a spectrum. You aren't going to get anywhere near stealthy with a supersonic round. But a small, low-caliber sub-sonic round fired through a modern suppressor is pretty stealthy (relatively). What I have the MOST problem with in video games is the games always reducing your range or penetration when using a suppressor. This is absolutely false, and if anything a suppressor would slightly INCREASE range and power. Also, the larger and more bulky the suppressor, the better it tends to work based solely on the increased volume for the gasses to expand into.
you don't mention any use of subsonic rounds. using ammunition where the bullet does not travel faster than the speed of sound, approx 1150FPS, silencers can be implemented with effectively only the sound of the action.
@Atman Gotango Any subsonic pistol cartridge will not be even close to painfully loud. In fact most of the noise from the gun will be from the action cycling or ricochets.
@Atman Gotango I'm not sure what the suppressor make it model was. It wasn't my gun, but it was very nice to shoot, and even better shooting it without ear protection.
@Atman Gotango I imagine the Glock test you reffered to was done with standard 9mm ammo, which I do believe is slightly past supersonic. In regard to .22 LR, definitely an effective round if you can get a good shot. My uncle has told stories of dropping rather large cows with .22s, and I think i've heard tales of even black bears being brought down with a single .22 LR round. Meanwhile I've personally experienced a group of 4 guys with bad aim (myself included in that group) put something like 14 high powered rifle rounds into a cow before dropping it. You gotta be a bit more precise to kill effectively with a smaller round, but even big rounds you still gotta hit.
More of the difference between broadcasting to a 5 mile radius and broadcasting to a 2-3 mile radius instead. even a 9mm running subsonic ammo and a good suppressor is still audible pretty far and can still damage your hearing. 22s and purpose built suppressed weapons like the welrod are truly quiet though.
I think it's something that should be talked about, since in most games applying a silencer usually reduces damage, probably due to said subsonic ammo. The loudness of suppressed firearms they were talking about is because of that sound barrier bang.
@@acceptablecasualty5319 there is nothing you can do with an AR or AK to run sub sonic ammo. And by the time you’re slowing a round down below 1,100 FPS it becomes unreliable with terminal ballistics you’re basically turning something like a 5.56 into a 22 long rifle in fact 22 LR has more velocity with a bullet that is only a little lighter than that of a 5.56 55 grain round.
No, a suppressor does not increase accuracy at any appreciable level, however it does increases muzzle velocity , but only marginally (10-20fps depending of various variables).
@@frostskog7958 A heavier firearm improves accuracy for follow-up shots. As the firearm kicks, the more mass in the firearm, the less displacement from the target. Unfortunately it does make it a bit heavier for initial target acquisition.
@@youronlyhope4383 Because the proper term is actually suppressor as silencer would imply it completely silences the gun which it doesn't, it only suppresses them. The title was cause in video games they call them silencers because they literally silence the guns in most games lol. It's a common misconception.
Both terms are commonly used, but there is an effort to squash the term "silencer" because it misrepresents the function of the device. As long as it's misrepresented and portrayed as a scary tool of assassins, it's easy to restrict it's ownership.
No Idea YT Y’know this is probably r/woosh but if it isn’t, then recoil is basically how much the gun kicks back every time you shoot, this is why in most games, anything that upgrades recoil also upgrades accuracy.
I always wondered why the Welrod was such a hideous gun. Knowing that it's meant to look like random industrial metal/material when disassembled, they actually did a good job. If I saw pieces of that lying around I wouldn't think much of it at a glance.
@weebles yeah it's big fun that everybody in your country i killing each other. And now give them a suppressor.. Yeah.. How many folks could there be in one big country 😂😂
I actually love how Breakpoint utilize their suppressors. It's quite realistic, or it tries to be at least. If you shoot with a big caliber gun suppressed near enemies, they will hear the shot. Lower calibers' sound are a bit softer, tho not vanished completely. Depending how far the enemies are away from you when you are firing.
"Suppressors, or silencers as they're more commonly known, are anything but silent." MP5SD & Sicario Suppressor for the MK.4: *Allow us to introduce ourselves.* Edit: Changed meme
The decreased bullet velocity and “damage” for installing a suppressor in video games is likely to play on the idea that installing one means the person is using sub sonic rounds (which in some cases are significantly lower velocity than their super sonic counterparts, eliminating the sonic boom of breaking the sound barrier).
yeah the subsonic ammo has a velocity lower than 340 m/s. other than the normal 9x19mm para velocity lowes: 274m/s highest: about 600m/s and most rifles chambered in 5.56x45 are nearly Mach 3 the SG550 has a muzzle velocity of 905m/s
Some gun/suppressor combos do actually lower bullet velocity. The MP5SD is not an example of this, however the same result is achieved. The MP5SD actually has large amounts of porting right after the chamber, which allows enough gas to escape into the suppressor to essentially turn any 9mm ammo into subsonic ammo. Forgotten Weapons has a really good video detailing this.
It would not make sense from a realism standpoint however. Subsonics are mostly used for sporting purposes, and military use is extremely limited. For instance, the US military does not issue subsonics with their suppressors for good reason. Rifles turn into peashooters if you switch to subsonics.
@@deanc91 Not necessarily. Subsonic rounds are made mostly by increasing the weight of the projectile. That changes ballistic trajectory, stabilization and other things but not kinetic energy. A higher mass bullet at lower speed carries the same energy than a lower mass, high speed one. The reason the military doesn't use subsonics is they like to keep logistics simple and for military applications subsonics make little sense. Subsonic high powered rifles are a joke though, you cannot increase the bullet size nearly enough to go subsonic you have to decrease power by a large amount. But SMG's can use subsonic ammo that's about as effective.
Devils advocate: suppose in a video game when you add a suppressor it also switches from supersonic to subsonic ammunition - this could justify many of the changes to the stats ( and is the only plausible explanation for how you could make a gun even half as quiet as is portrayed). Im aware I’m generalising but as a rule of thumb: (1) Subsonic bullets have a lower effective range as they are heavier and obviously move slower, meaning you get increased drop and more drift. (2) Slower bullets are generally less effective against armour: if you assume every in-game character is wearing armour this would justify a damage decrease. (3)This is much more variable but subsonic ammo is often considered to have less “stopping power” (if you half the velocity you need to quadruple the mass to achieve the same energy) so again lower damage could be justified. Ditto, rounds such as hollow points often expand less reliably at lower velocities (although they aren’t supposed to be used by the military anyway!) (4) Multiplayer modifiers that disguise your shots on the minimap (like in CoD) are actually pretty accurate, although the sound reduction of suppressors is limited they do make it much harder to pinpoint where the sound is coming from. Also what the video doesn’t mention is that one of the biggest tactical benefits of suppressors is communication: evidence suggests troops work far more effectively together when using suppressed weapons. For context I’m from the UK where suppressors are surprisingly loosely regulated: in theory you need to give the police a good reason to add one to your license but hearing protection is pretty much universally accepted. Outside of shotguns and target rifles suppressors are the norm, every shooter I know who owns a hunting rifle has a can on it (although they often still use supersonic). Baffles me (pardon the pun) how the US will let pretty much anyone own a pistol or semi-auto long gun yet makes you jump through so many hoops to get something that reduces the report of a firearm to somewhere between a chainsaw and a jet taking off!
"Also what the video doesn’t mention is that one of the biggest tactical benefits of suppressors is communication: evidence suggests troops work far more effectively together when using suppressed weapons." How?
This is because suppressors were firmly embedded in the psyche of many Americans (even back then) as something associated with criminals, so when the National Firearms Act was passed (as a kneejerk reaction to the Valentine's Day Massacre, among other gangland crime), suppressors got lumped in with automatic weapons and short-barreled rifles and short-barreled shotguns as scarybad.
Take a .22 with some .22 shorts and you can have a practically silent firearm, outside of the mechanical workings of the gun. Would be completely viable as a nearly silent killer at close ranges.
yup, tried a 22 who had the whole barrel built inside a huge silencer, you just heard the firing pin hit the cartridge. was a louder smack from the inpact.
Silencers / Suppressors / Moderators are (Practically) unregulated in the UK, and it's considered rude to hunt without one. Repeal the NFA and Hughes Amendment.
Fun fact - suppressors were added to the NFA not because of fears of violence, but because of fears that suppressors would let poor people poach largely undetected on rich people's lands. Remember, the NFA is a creature of the Depression, when people got their dinner any way they could.
In regards to accurate games, try Escape From Tarkov. you can hear a suppressed mosin from across a shopping mall, either causing players to flock there to kill and loot, or run away. they also have a great advantage, as you mentioned in the video, of reducing muzzle flash. this makes suppressors in tarkov quite useful, yet don't have any damage tradeoffs, due to how you can lose all of your gear in a matter of seconds from a mis-timed shot or drawing attention to yourself, causing you to be killed.
@@TheFaizParadise I've never played DayZ. if you mean you can lose everything when you head out, and are constantly trying to earn money and get new weapons, then yes.
@@TheFaizParadise no it's nothing like Dayz. apart from looting and killing :P. i highly recommend Escape From Tarkov though. it's the most epic hardcore an realistic shooter i've ever played! :P
Stick a slide lock on one too to get rid of the not inconsiderable noise of the mechanics too. Sure, you have to eject your bullet manually but who cares.
As a big shooter, it's nice to see a video like this! Suppressors aren't some magic thing that should be regulated like they are. They're a good tool for safer shooting
They have the advantage over hearing protection, such as ear plugs, in that they protect the hearing of _everyone_ who is nearby, not just the shooter.
I've seen one on RU-vid, that combined with subsonic ammo is basically magic. There's barely any difference between dry fire and actual fire, the main difference is you hear where the bullet hits.
@DaCasa13. Are suppressors restricted in some way where you are? Here, suppressors are over-the-counter items and getting the end of the barrel threaded for a suppressor is a common modification.
I’ve always imagined the reduced damage/bullet velocity of suppressors in games to be a side effect of using subsonic ammunition to compliment the suppressors
Good point cause I was gonna say if you don't change ammunition alot of times a suppressor would actually increase velocity thus extending range/damage
I've always assumed the videogame downside of lower damage/range could be explained by the use of subsonic ammo or shorter barrels making ammo subsonic. And some games do in fact accurately depict the lower recoil!
Gerry Williams , Well, I mean, Edison said that AC was better at killing people than DC and we all know that's bullshit now. Then again, Thomas Edison was a POS in general. It was called a silencer because not only was pretty much silent relative to the sound of a gunshot then but it was mainly for marketing purposes. Not to mention that a suppressed .22 short is pretty much silent. Point is, just because you call chicken shit chicken salad does not make it so.
@Easliy Displeased, I would love to know what you meant by "never mind;" it's as if I inquired something previously of you. You say something about what you assume is me; yet even if it were me, you assume Intelligence based on appearance? - You must be a good sheeple to believe social credibility through appearance. Even if I were a fool, only a fool would opt to not learn from another fool.
Its also confusing because in the NFA paperwork you have to file with the US Government to legally register and be licensed to own one, the fucking _Gov themselves!!!_ refers to them as 'silencers'.
I always tell people "For the most part, silencers make gun shots as loud as a non-gun person probably thinks they are normally". There's some exception to this based on ammo types and such but it's a good generalization
A supersonic bullet itself makes a ~135 dB crack, so that's about as low as you can get without subsonic ammo. With subsonic ammo, the sound can be cut down to about 120 dBs with the best silencers.
Yeah, subsonic ammo trades bullet velocity for quiet shots. They travel slower than sound unlike most bullets to avoid cracking. Combine this with small ammo, like .22, and a suppressor, and boom, you've got a pew pew gun. A very weak pew pew gun, but a pew pew gun nonetheless.
There are, but you must choose between a super weak round (Ek = ½mv2), or a super weird round (e.g. 9x39mm, .300 Blackout, still Ek = ½mv2, when the velocity is limited, you max out on the mass).
Suppressors *do* have a drawback, weapon handling, slapping a suppressor on the end of a gun is literally adding an extra pound or so of extra weight to the end of the barrel; making whatever firearm you're using feel significantly different when you're waving it around. It can become extremely uncomfortable after a lot of time.
So as someone who works on firearms for a living ill drop some truths: -One of the most iconic firearms is James Bond's suppressed PPK. PPK's in real life are a terrible suppressor platform due to the handgun being blowback. This means the firearm has no locked breach and freely slides back when fired. Most firearms have a system that has to unlock when opening to allow the chamber drop to safe pressure levels before ejecting. PPK does not utilize such a system because its round is so anemic (.380 ACP). As such having a suppressor on the gun creates more back-pressure and causes a host of problems when attempting to suppress it. -The biggest three factors of suppression are this 1: Is it supersonic? if yes it will have a sonic boom when coming out of the barrel making it way louder. 2: what type of cartridge is used? some rounds like .45 ACP or .22LR are excellent rounds to have a suppressed gun based around due to them being either really quiet like in 22's case or naturally subsonic like in 45's. and 3: how much gas can get out of the gun? A firearm say like a AK-47 have gasses being vented at the gas block thus lowering the effect of the suppressor, well that and the action is very loud to begin with. But with a bolt action firearm all the gasses go out the muzzle and very little gas is escaping so suppressors tend to work better on manually operated firearms. -At 8:55 you say there is little or no downside to sticking a suppressor on the end of a rifle or SMG, This is not true. First not every gun is good suppressor host and can cause huge reliability problems especially in full auto. You wont mag dump 210+ rounds out of a suppressor without damaging it potentially since suppressors overheat quite easily. It increases weight, It increases weapon length and both are downsides. If you want to suppress a rifle cartridge and still keep it subsonic you loose out on a lot of range and lethal energy due to having to load rounds to move slower. This is why huge rounds like .458 SOCOM exist, because 5.56 is a fast moving round out of AR15's and the sonic boom is a constant problem when using 5.56 for suppressor applications. -Decreased damage and bullet velocity and range is not entirely unrealistic. What makes believable is that you are assuming they are using subsonic ammunition. For instance 5.56 ammo normally hits around 1,200 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle with a effective range out of a 16" rifle of about 550 yards, moving at a speed of 3,200 feet per second. Subsonic 5.56 has a energy of around 300 foot pounds, moving at a speed of 1000 feet per second with a effective range of about 200 yards. 5.56 being one of the most extreme examples of this. You get energy two ways: Velocity and Bullet weight and since most newer cartridges favor velocity over weight for many reasons suppressed guns typically go for the heavier slower rounds to stay subsonic. If suppressors worked realistically in video games it would be quite involved in what guns they could be used on and what rounds would be feed into said guns.
"Decreased damage and bullet velocity and range is not entirely unrealistic." It's not, but when all you do is slap a suppressor and then everything goes quiet and your damage is reduced while the projectile velocity remains the same... That's a question mark right there. It's definitely a balancing mechanism for the game, but it takes away realism thus a "false" info being fed subconsciously into the audience.
“Sneaking throughout Outer Haven” *Shows Shadow Moses* Snake is also known to be on Outer Haven considering they send some Outer Heaven troops and GEKKOs onto the deck after snake lands on it. So Outer Heaven, the fortress seen in MG1 is prob what your looking for
How many times is this video going to be done? Every "silencer" video ever: "Silencers" are actually called _suppressors_ , and if you want a decent real-life approximation for how loud a suppressed 9mm is, clap two 2x4's together like you're closing the "marker" thing a movie director uses when they say "Action!" (you know what I mean?) and you'll have a noise about exactly as "sharp" and about the same loudness in decibels as a suppressed pistol. Try it out yourself. Is it less noisy than a non-suppressed gunshot? Yes, substantially so. Is it loud? That depends completely on what other noises are going on around you, what kinds of noises are normal, and even what kind of space you're in. Is it perfectly silent? Of course it's not. Is a suppressor still useful? Absolutely, yes. Of course it is.
Suppressors are very useful, in an open field youre harder to locate and inside buildings the shot wouldnt deaf you that hard as normal. and used with subsonic ammo its even more suppressed :D
Silencers are called suppressors, but are actually silencers. If one were to check the patent they would see the proper name is silencers. Their function is top suppress sound. Not sure why everyone still gets this wrong.
I like the way the suppressor works in SCP: Secret Laboratory. It's a multiplayer game and the suppressor, while reducing the noise, doesn't make it silent. The damage of your weapon gets decreased (not exactly accurate to real life, I know) when you equip the suppressor, so most players don't bother using it. Even though the noise of the suppressor is still very much hearable, most players don't realise someone is shooting at them because the shots don't sound as loud.
there have been suppressors and subsonic rounds for a 9mm utilized to pretty dang close to total silence before, and nobody even thinks about how the action still makes a clack as it closes(which is louder than you may think). thats actually why the welrod had a twist-open action, which was arguably a bolt action and quieter than a semi-auto. just sayin'.
I shot a ppk with subsonic amunitoon and a scilencer. (But wirh out rubber baffels). And while its sertanly sound somewhat like a gunshot. If younare in the room over... (with a closed door) you probobly would not recognice it as a gun
@@anonymousbosch9265 I'm no expert and I'll openly admit when it comes to Shooters I'm as casual As It Gets. And I will agree anything to make the series better I support in 100%. But for the sake of conversation and to explain to this Normie here, what mistakes were made?
The subconscious a muffucca. 😂 Sounds. Pay attention. There's a certain sound a gun makes when you rack one in vs racking an empty gun. Now. Some will know that. I don't doubt that much. But what you noticed subconsciously is that when you rack an empty gun it makes a certain sound. The sound of metal smashing against metal/polymer. So even if you actually could manage to completely silence a weapon. The sound of loud ass metal on metal/polymer would still exist. Even a revolver makes way more fucking clicking noises than you remember! Go ahead try it. Grab a revolver. Slowly squeeze trigger complete a full pull. Notice the hammer clicks, you can hear the cylinder turn. It's just impossible to make a completely silent gun that could repeat shots. And you know how loud shit is when your trying to be quiet. Silencer was the inventions name. Suppressor is more accurate.
The soul purpose of a suppressor is to muffle the noise of the bullet when it goes off, not to make the entire gun silent. So I’m really confused on why you went on that entire rant as if someone expected a suppressor to completely silence a gun while in use...
Possibly interesting: how much energy would a silencer have to take from the accelerant (and how unwieldy would the device have to be) to actually function as effectively as what we see in entertainment media?
The silencer (or suppressor as some call it) doesn't take any energy from the accelerant, it blocks the sound of gas escaping the muzzle. However, it cannot block the sound of the bullet's own supersonic shockwave. So, by reducing the amount of accelerant itself (using subsonic ammo with a smaller powder charge in the cartridge case) you can make a much quieter weapon, and this is what spies in World War II sometimes used. However, this defeats the whole point of using - for instance - a rifle and decreases the amount of damage a lower caliber firearm can do (and suppressors/silencers work less well for higher calibers) IIRC, the silencer + subsonic ammo combination is usually only something used for pistols.
Silencing the action, would be the most difficult part... As long as the round is subsonic, I don't think you'd have to take away any additional energy from the bullet.
Subsonic round ??? Research ur subjec please when you take a supressor with subsonic round all you can ear is the gun mechanism plus a verry low noise bang same as you drop something light on the ground time to unsub i guess
The only SubSonic ammo that is THAT quite, is a Sub .22 with a huge can on the end of it. So no 99.98% of firearms with suppressors are still loud as fuck my guy.
Razz aus No I’m still better then them but it’s still not fun. I have been playing the cod series for years and I allways practise and stuff but it’s just not fun for pro players
For anyone interested, they show a model 1 Welrod, despite the Mk ll being much better representation of the majority of Welrods used (as I understand) and more prevalent in video games, looking like industrial equipment/a bike pump (quite convincing I might add), though it’s very nice to see early versions of firearms be shown, not just the latest and most advanced, especially something I for one had never seen before (it caused quite the initial confusion!)
I’ve handled a .762 suppressed with subsonic loading and I’d say it sounded about like disconnecting a hose from an air compressor while still delivering the same energy at 100 yards as a .45 ACP at the muzzle.
Suppressed weapons are sometimes paired with subsonic ammo... heavier rounds travelling slower, no supersonic crack, travelling silently through the air. The John Wick scene could be possible with audio no more than the sound of a Swingline stapler with the right subsonic ammo and some weapon harmonics tuning.
Except they don't. They don't mention WHY suppressors are still loud- because of the sonic boom still produced when the bullet leaves the muzzle and breaks the sound barrier. But, not all ammunition does this. They didn't account for subsonic ammunition, because then, a suppressors WOULD make the sound much quieter. I've fired a 9mm suppressed with subsonic ammo, and it's quiet enough you can actually take off your ear protection and be totally fine. They failed to mention ANY of that, and thus, they did not ACTUALLY do their researchm
Subsonic ammunition combined with the best silencers are super quiet, they sound like an air gun / totally could be used in ways they say you can't.....
@@DansilSchroeder That's just bad advice, which is typical of someone who sounds like you. Always use ear protection, literally no reason not to outside of a defensive situation.
In Call of Duty Modern Warfare (2019) it is the most accurate one in the whole game world if im not remembering wrong. As you said following one must be the Arma.
It's lame how you didn't go into the size of the suppressor*, size of the caliber† or the velocity of a round & overall sound regarding the amount of gunpowder affecting the sound. *The bigger the suppressor the more quiet it is as it has more chambers to muffle the sound. †The larger the caliber the larger the exiting of the sound wave & typically more powder. ‡If a round is going supersonic it's going to have a loud ass crack pretty close to the sound of a gunshot due to it braking the sound barrier - For rifles you would use subsonic ammunition with a suppressor but at that point you might as well use a pistol round as it defeats the purpose of a rifle round; a 5.56×45mmNATO is also .223in. which makes it a .22., like a .22lr or magnum. You can also do this with pistols or even use low velocity ammo to reduce the sound even further but if the are nit gas operated you would need to swap out the recoil spring for a weaker one due to most all pistols use the blowback directly from the pressure of the round going off to push the slide back; a recoil spring is to reduce recoil & chamber another round, so if you use ammo with less powder it will have less recoil effectively making it a single action pistol.
In ARMA 3, suppressed doesn't keep the enemy from identifying your location either. It only increases the amount of time it takes for them to find you.
You forgot to mention that a silencer is the difference between letting basically the whole block know a shot was fired to someone in the other room possibly mistaking the sound for someone dropping something heavy in another room.
As an avid gun owner and gamer I want to thank you for making this video. Its a real shame suppressors are so miss represented by movies and video games. Because of that suppressors are unfortunately over regulated by our government. Though their still legal for a civilian to buy, you have to pay a 200 dollar tax stamp on top of the sales price, get your fingerprints taken, fill our extensive paperwork and wait up to a year to actually get possession of it after purchasing and filing your paperwork. All for something that is involved so little in crime that the ATF doesn't even track the collective data since their invention. Im still waiting to get mine that I picked up :( even after spending 700 dollars for something that doesn't even make my gun hearing safe.
@Anonymous Person I bet you drill the 3rd hole and buy WISH "solvent traps" because you're such a badass. We get it dude, you want your dog to get executed.
