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How GOOD Is Baiken In Guilty Gear Strive? (objectively) 

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An overview of Baiken from each perspective - offense, neutral, defense and knock down. Let's look at what's good about Baiken in Guilty Gear Strive!
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@TheRedHavoc
@TheRedHavoc Год назад
What Makes Characters Good in Guilty Gear Strive, Baiken Edition Offense 0:39 Does the character have plus moves? 2:21 Does the character have a fast/instant overhead? 2:49 Does the character have a safe 5D? 3:33 Does the character have a 50/50? 4:34 How fast does the character gain meter (On offense)? 6:03 What does the character get off their throw situation? 7:05 How safe is the character against YRC? 8:30 How safe is the character against Burst? 9:04 Does the character have to hit the opponent to win, or can they win from making the opponent block? 12:20 On average, how much damage does the character do? 13:20 How good is the character's Wall Break situation? Defense 14:17 How fast is the character's fastest button? 14:45 Does the character have a meterless reversal? 15:36 Does the character's super travel horizontally or vertically? 15:54 How good is the character's backdash? 17:27 How fast is the character's 6P? 18:26 How fast is the character's jump? 18:50 How fast does the character gain meter (On defense)? Neutral 20:02 Can the character attack from safe ranges? 21:42 How fast is the character's airdash? 22:16 Can the character change their air momentum/trajectory? 23:49 Can the character 50/50 the opponent from neutral? 24:37 Can the character get in on the opponent immediately after Gold Burst? 25:11 Does the character have a burst RC option (aka a neutral skip)? 26:25 How fast is the character's 6P? 26:44 Does the character have a slow j.H? 27:18 Does the character have ways to prevent the opponent from using their standard neutral tools? 27:52 Can the character convert all their hits into good knockdowns/Wall Breaks without 50% meter? Knockdown 29:19 Can the character win off throw? 30:02 How much meter can the character build off a successful throw mix? 30:22 Can the character protect themselves from reversals and mix at the same time? 31:14 Can the character loop their good knockdown situation?
@erichbauer3991
@erichbauer3991 Год назад
thank you
@yoannsoh4009
@yoannsoh4009 Год назад
Hey you reading this, you better "up" this comment, NOW !
@nlharring
@nlharring Год назад
The cancelling super with PRC on Testament/Faust/etc were intentionally left in by ArcSystemWorks. These are now features, not glitches.
@MommysGoodPuppy
@MommysGoodPuppy Год назад
pretty sure it works with every super in the game, just not very useful if the super isn't invulnerable
@erichbauer3991
@erichbauer3991 Год назад
@@MommysGoodPuppy it's also a lot harder if the super doesn't have a long startup
@bweansFGC
@bweansFGC Год назад
Baiken is going to be the character that lands me on scrubquoteX
@kinyon2555
@kinyon2555 Год назад
Ever since the buffs they gave her I’ve been enjoying baiken and feels like she’s in a perfect place right now.
@howdypartner8958
@howdypartner8958 Год назад
I’m kind of worried about the new patch coming up, if 2.0 is anything to go by, it’s likely the overall power level will increase, if she stays the way she is, we’re chilling, but if she gets nerfed she could be put into a tough situation. I doubt she’ll get seriously buffed, but after all it is Daisuke’s vision.
@mikhail21
@mikhail21 Год назад
I think she's still lacking somewhere but surely, she got better after the last patch
@Nyanosaur
@Nyanosaur Год назад
I feel you glossed over how strong her parry actually is. Not only does it do the most damage out of all reversals in the game, which even rivals some reversal supers, but at 1f it can't be safejumped. The only meterless reversal that you can RC on whiff, AND you can option-select it. Not to mention, being a 236-input it's also the easiest and most accessible reversal to throw out when you're being pressured. I actually can't believe a move like that exists in strive.
@rocvmxcha
@rocvmxcha Год назад
Its existence really puts a huge burden on the opponent in a way that none of the other reversals in the game really do. It raises the threshold of how clean certain aspects of your offense have to be depending on the Baiken player, to the point it can feel like you lose your advantaged state *during* the advantaged state. Combined with the rest of her strong options, it makes attacking her really feel like a read-fest sometimes, and then if you don't want it to be like that then you have to play perfect neutral. Good thing most Baikens are idiots that you can read like a book, but every once in a while you run into one that actually has good defense that makes you realize how much the parry benefits her by simply being an option that exists in the way that it does.
@LordKnightfgc
@LordKnightfgc Год назад
I think it is very strong, but generally the more I play her, the more I think it's strong in different scenarios than the common ones (like as a reversal).
@TheExiled112
@TheExiled112 Год назад
Yes it does decent damage. But it has 3 active frames. Meaning most options the opponent has will just punish her whiffed parry. Its not a reversal. Its too garbage to be a reversal. Baiken mains spam it and get completely screwed. Counterhit literally every time. Most people who fight baiken punish baiken's parry on ACCIDENT. Its that bad. Safejumps don't exist because the only attacks that have enough active frames for a safejump, CANNOT be used in a IAD (ex. Sol j.HS, baiken j.HS, nago j.HS, etc). So its only really a dp bait which will lead to baiken getting counterhit after the opponent lands. Its downright unusable. 3 frames is too short. Dp is superior.
@xPlatinumGhost
@xPlatinumGhost Год назад
I’d still prefer a DP if we are talking reversals, but I use more as a mind game tool just so the opponent has to think twice.
@TheExiled112
@TheExiled112 Год назад
@@xPlatinumGhost having a DP is basically like being thanos. You can make any move (not including grabs) get wiped from existence. Nothing can challenge it (except grabs but then again you have to be close to get a grab in).
@raxy0163
@raxy0163 Год назад
I think Baiken is a cool character, but the fact that she is pretty simple and fast at mid-close range has made her one of my least favorite opponents. I know playing pro happy chaos or Nago would probably feel worse, but decent Baikens can do about half of what you showed and that offense is scary imo Great video as always tho, this was super insightful and I will use this to beat up more baikens in the future, have a good day king
@sylascole5254
@sylascole5254 Год назад
She's good. I think I'd put her just behind Leo, in the pack of characters looking to round out the top 5.
@crabhmandu5819
@crabhmandu5819 Год назад
baiken is really cool
@Guitar-Dog
@Guitar-Dog Год назад
I don't know strive but I think I'd try Baiken she seems cool with the mats and the new hook
@steffanhymer1285
@steffanhymer1285 Год назад
I think something that i really enjoy about her that not many, if hardly any, characters have is her ability to full screen punish/apply pressure. granted it's locked behind 50 meter but some opponents have to be aware of using moves with a lot of recovery when she has Kenjyuu available. being able to full screen shoot an axle, HC, Goldlewis dropping drone or such is amazing for closing gaps and continuing the offense. with ground and air options as well as a massive, very active, hitbox it really fills out some strengths or covers weaknesses for her. Kenjyuu is much more versatile than I originally thought and i think does a great job of adding flavor to her kit.
@khhnator
@khhnator Год назад
i would say that Ram has some of that with her super and the big sword swing. but year Baiken's is better
@graveaxel3607
@graveaxel3607 Год назад
What a great video, even though I dont play Baiken this was super interesting and the information was awesome. Lol gotta learn more about a character I hate playing against as a Chipp main, at worst its a 6/4 but honestly its not that bad. Would love to see more videos like this (post patch now of course) but Im sure they're a lot of work. Great job though!
@emmett_m
@emmett_m Год назад
The mic quality sounding extra smooth this video LK, the videos just keep getting better! Keep it up
@Vanfernal
@Vanfernal Год назад
My main gripe with Baiken is how Kabari is pretty much her universal combo finisher so every single combo route ends the same way. Being on the receiving end of that over and over with every Baiken is pretty boring. Not much room for player expression.
@KingAfrica4
@KingAfrica4 Год назад
Not the P word
@Hojac_Borseman
@Hojac_Borseman Год назад
YoJohnson
@redacted4166
@redacted4166 Год назад
Editing is great in this video
@Gem1ni3
@Gem1ni3 Год назад
I told myself "okay thats enough GGST for today after 10 hours of studying Baiken matchup vods" Then I saw this... okay another 35 minutes couldn't hurt lol 🤷‍♂
@ankoasmr2510
@ankoasmr2510 Год назад
She’s a top 5 character. C.s into yojohnson or 2D on block is literally all you need. Add in a input that parries any attack (that you have to respect at all times) and Hibari (full screen with followups) and her tethered BS and she has one of the best tool kits in the game. Oh did I mention 2HS yet?
@HellecticMojo
@HellecticMojo Год назад
What's this? Anko ASMR post that isn't just blithely talking shit?
@kamachunoFGC
@kamachunoFGC Год назад
Shut up nigga 🤡🤡🤡 you must be casual
@LordKnightfgc
@LordKnightfgc Год назад
She is very strong. Close Slash > 2d or youzan, so off cS no matter what you have to manually time one of the mix options so that the options line up, so tbh the safer choice with meter is cS > 2h (17f but 1f gap) or delay youzan. 2D runs the risk of getting fd'd and then you gamble on the blind, which is hard. With meter obv you're good though and she builds meter fast, but that wouldn't be the type of offense that I'd push off cS meterless, especially with no threat of seeing what the opponent is doing on def + minimal reward on hit (5k > youzan/2d is good for meterless imo) Parry has plenty of counter play but is strong af. Assuming you're talking about 426H, that move is good too but chars interact with it in different ways. Some chars are good against both her minus 3 moves blocked (Testament, Jack-O), some are good vs one and not the other (Kyle) and some are weak vs both (Sol). Just depends on the char. Tether is strong af and helps with meter gain, I think her throw is the best or tied for the best in the game. But her main weakness is her ground vs ground conversions are below average, which affects a bunch of match ups.
@velvetwulf6803
@velvetwulf6803 Год назад
@@LordKnightfgc using 2D after cS is gapless which is very good against DP happy players since they like DP through cS 2H but in most cases cS 2H is better
@Mr.Faust3
@Mr.Faust3 Год назад
Baiken is utter esports I knew she was busted the moment I played her on launch day
@MikeLiteraus
@MikeLiteraus Год назад
Baiken is a great all around character, may not be the tops of a tier list by numbers, but she is competitive.
@christopherhensel1076
@christopherhensel1076 Год назад
New mic so crispy
@thisistherun4015
@thisistherun4015 Год назад
She is awesome and as long as she seems generally solid I'm happy
@NeoBoneGirl
@NeoBoneGirl Год назад
She's pretty clearly strong, but not the toppest of the top tiers, which makes the next patch terrifying because it means she could get ArcSys buffed along with chars like Goldlewis lmao
@MommysGoodPuppy
@MommysGoodPuppy Год назад
imo she already got arcsys buffed in the last patch, those buffs were completely unnecessary
@chkmte1304
@chkmte1304 Год назад
Or she could get ArcSys nerfed like Xrd Bedman or Strive Anji
@NeoBoneGirl
@NeoBoneGirl Год назад
@@chkmte1304 It's not an ArcSys nerf if she deserves some toning down though
@NeoBoneGirl
@NeoBoneGirl Год назад
@@MommysGoodPuppy That just means there's precedent, people are too busy yelling about the top 3 to yell about Baiken
@chkmte1304
@chkmte1304 Год назад
@@NeoBoneGirl It's an ArcSys nerf if a character who is strong but not a major problem gets nerfed while the problem characters either go unscathed or get buffed. I think she's a bit overtuned too but knowing arcsys they would do something wild like remove hard knockdown from kabari and then give nago a disjointed close slash
@AdamJorgensen
@AdamJorgensen Год назад
I dig fighting Baiken, and I say that as an I-No player. It's far more interesting than fighting HC, Nago or Ram, even tho I know she is pretty strong vs I-No. Despite that, I still enjoy the matches as they force me to try things.
@yoannsoh4009
@yoannsoh4009 Год назад
This is a copypasta valid for every character lmao :D
@raivin7172
@raivin7172 Год назад
I'm Baiken main and holy shit you're masochist
@walkssilently1099
@walkssilently1099 Год назад
Am I going crazy or is that a new mic
@LordKnightfgc
@LordKnightfgc Год назад
unfortunately no mic upgrade yet ;;
@roctod1347
@roctod1347 Год назад
Baiken's been my favorite character in this series since she was a secret boss, and I'm glad we got her for Season 1. I feel like she's in a very solid place so the only thing I can hope is they give me something off the wall, like giving back Suzuran or Baku lol
@nekierin6402
@nekierin6402 Год назад
Baiken is a Character in Guilty Gear Strive
@MommysGoodPuppy
@MommysGoodPuppy Год назад
all im hearing on this video is "yes, she got those" someone explain how a character that has some of the highest damage combos, always gets a 50/50, has the fastest meter gain, yolo neutral jump in 50/50, parry(why does it do so fucking much damage wtf) and good conversion is not considered top tier by some
@togikeren
@togikeren Год назад
Probably because the top tier are just that good. Also, parry is active for 3 frame and the rest is recovery (counter hit) frame. In a game where getting hit without CH will take 50% of your health minimum, its no surprise that parry deals that much damage
@LordKnightfgc
@LordKnightfgc Год назад
It's 1-6 strike
@HellecticMojo
@HellecticMojo Год назад
Lack of far conversions.
@kingdomkey92
@kingdomkey92 Год назад
@LordKnight Do you mind posting these questions in the description or the comments that way we can better asses the strengths and weakness of characters we play or others?
@-ITH
@-ITH Год назад
I think her biggest issues are her match ups, it's not so much that the top 5 exists, more than Ky/Test/Faust do, or anyone with large buttons for that matter. Considering "good" is a relative term for me here, I'm basing this strictly off brackets, in that her bad MUs aren't so much the top tiers as much as they are something that strictly counters her. For as good a button as F.S is, 2D can counter it, and there's a plethora of air-to-airs that can outplay j.s if they get a read. I don't think she could use a buff as much as she needs a way to access her wincon better, I'd like to see more ways to link into S-kabari, or just some straight up movement speed. Good video.
@raivin7172
@raivin7172 Год назад
Yeah, if character outranges her - Baiken's neutral starts to fucking suck and the only options to win an interaction is either slow h-kabari or predictable iad j.s. Not to mention she has almost no reward out of her main pokes f.s and 2s.
@BillyBob-qk6vy
@BillyBob-qk6vy Год назад
13:00
@alextruecustodian6174
@alextruecustodian6174 Год назад
I personally think baikens cute
@AzazelTheMisanthrope
@AzazelTheMisanthrope Год назад
Well you're wrong.
@AzazelTheMisanthrope
@AzazelTheMisanthrope Год назад
@Konakon izumi nice pfp good choice
@juanbarb57
@juanbarb57 Год назад
My man spittin
@juanbarb57
@juanbarb57 Год назад
@Konakon izumi Someone stepped on your shoe or something mate?
@thekingofburritos3279
@thekingofburritos3279 Год назад
lol weird how i got recommended this video the day i decided to try to pick baiken up
@nkirmath8621
@nkirmath8621 Год назад
Honestly, prevideo opinion if the meta changed Baiken would be top 1
@ImBasicLee
@ImBasicLee Год назад
I'm ahead of the game
@DeliriumPig
@DeliriumPig Год назад
somebody help me, why do I recognize the song that starts a 10:10?
@SkyeAutumns
@SkyeAutumns Год назад
Mbtl custom theme
@SkyeAutumns
@SkyeAutumns Год назад
@UCBTmxnSx29HfDDkuXVipUvQ no prob
@LadyViolet1
@LadyViolet1 Год назад
Let's go
@kimosavage7478
@kimosavage7478 Год назад
I've been maining Millia and I'm looking to learn a new character, I've tried May, Testament, Bridget and Giovanna. I'm a really bad player and I feel down everytime I get my ass whooped 90% of my games, maybe I don't practice enough or just bad decisions during a match.. sighs.. I think I'll give Baiken a go and if all fails, I might as well give up.. 😢
@rocvmxcha
@rocvmxcha Год назад
Are you US region? I do free coaching, I just like seeing people happy about getting better by learning and improving.
@ultimatederp5069
@ultimatederp5069 Год назад
+R Baiken player here who thinks she is terrible but know's I'm wrong! lol
@Yessir-yl8iu
@Yessir-yl8iu Год назад
This is GOOD
@andspn970
@andspn970 Год назад
So good ASMR
@xerker4147
@xerker4147 Год назад
Early viewer status
@GeneghisKhan
@GeneghisKhan Год назад
Baiken is 'ok'. Don't belong in top 5, which was a common say around September
@steffanhymer1285
@steffanhymer1285 Год назад
Most people think that if Baiken is top 5, she is the 5. the top characters in the game are just too unquestionably dominant to edge in and from there it gets murky very quick.
@magmaspacer1967
@magmaspacer1967 Год назад
@@steffanhymer1285 Who would y’all put up there? Leo, Ram, Nago, and HC are pretty common but who else is that high?
@HellecticMojo
@HellecticMojo Год назад
@@magmaspacer1967 Zato. He's proven time and time again that he can hang with the big boys even if he's made from tissue paper
@ImBasicLee
@ImBasicLee Год назад
@Magma Spacer Goldlewis is top 5 Drone is top 1 🤭
@cj8494
@cj8494 Год назад
She’s fine but they need to nerf her j.s
@GeneghisKhan
@GeneghisKhan Год назад
Just 6p bruh
@cj8494
@cj8494 Год назад
@@GeneghisKhan bro even hotashi said it was op and he's the downplay God
@GeneghisKhan
@GeneghisKhan Год назад
@@cj8494 Maybe if Hotashi used a character that takes more than 2 combos to win, he'd learn how to 6P at the right timing
@JayOhx7
@JayOhx7 Год назад
If you don’t 6p us out the sky.
@cj8494
@cj8494 Год назад
@@GeneghisKhan you're just downplaying the move because it carries baikens neutral
@TheExiled112
@TheExiled112 Год назад
@LordKnight baiken doesn't have a single overhead. She's strike throw. Inferior to sol. She can't build plus frames. She can't do anything after a knockdown since dp beats all of her options (except parry but that has 3 frames which will cause her to whiff 99% of the time). She mostly relys on the most annoying disjoints in strive. J.S, 2S, and youzansen. Spammed non stop. That's what makes her mid tier instead of bottom tier. Those 3 moves are the only moves baiken mains need since the only counter to them is dp.
@AgentBacalhau
@AgentBacalhau Год назад
Ok let's start from the top 1. Baiken doesn't have a single overhead This is categorically a stupid claim. She has no grounded overheads? Sure. But she has tiger knee yozansen, which is, in fact, an overhead that is very fucking fast, so she has easy access to 50/50s. 2.All her options lose to DP She can literally safejump (and yes, safejumps *do* exist in Strive, as well as in +R and Xrd, and even fucking Street Fighter 5 with it's limited air options) on almost every knockdown. 5p 6k tatami? IAD 5H will *always* hit meaty and *always* land in time to block a DP. Got a kabari followup knockdown? IAD tatami will do the exact same thing. If your DP is winning, it's cause whichever dumbass you're playing against can't time a safejump. 3. Her parry has 3 active frames Have you ever heard of Dustloop? Ya know, that one site with accurate frame data for every single character in the game? It says parry has 6 active frames. Ofc you can belive whatever you want, but I do think a site that's been cataloging frame data for ArcSys games accurately for a decade has more credit than you "thinking it's 3 frames cause 6 is too much for you to punish on accident".
@TheExiled112
@TheExiled112 Год назад
@@AgentBacalhau yozansen is not an overhead. It does work as annoying crossup tool but that's pretty much it. Its a mid. Safejumps aren't possible in guilty gear and definitely aren't possible in street fighter. Only a game like dbfz has safejumps. I've dp'd out of that tatami nonsense with my new main leo. Oki doesn't work on me. My opponents were doing a perfect IAD tatami setup and i still dp'd out. Dustloop is filled with inaccurate information. Besides her parry got nerfed to only have 1 active frame. I've used super moves at the same time that a baiken player uses parry and the baiken gets destroyed.
@AgentBacalhau
@AgentBacalhau Год назад
@@TheExiled112 none of the things you said are true, except for supers beating parry if used simultaneously, and that's cause no reversal super has less than 9 startup frames, and parry has 6 active frames. But the dumbest shit you said by far is that Yozansen is not an overhead. Like genuinely, you cannot crouch block yozansen, everyone knows that, where the fuck did you get that it's a mid from.
@TheExiled112
@TheExiled112 Год назад
@@AgentBacalhau reversal supers don't have that much startup. I'd say maybe around 6 frames of startup but not 9. People aren't quick to react to reversal supers. Yozansen is a mid. Its also a crossup tool. It works as one of the most annoying crossup tools in the game since the only character who can consistently punish it is leo since he has a flash kick. How could yozansen be overhead? Does that look like bandit bringer to you? Does it? No i didn't think so.
@AgentBacalhau
@AgentBacalhau Год назад
@@TheExiled112 Try crouch blocking TK yozansen and see what happens. It's not a mid. It definitely works as a crossup though, that is true. Also a couple patches ago, ArcSys made it so literally no reversal in the game was faster than 9f outside of Baiken and Anji parry. Also yeah, it doesn't look like bandit bringer. 5Ds also don't look like bandit bringer. I-No hoverdash j.S also doesn't look like bringer. 6k from Chipp, May or Millia don't look like bringer. Bad moon doesn't look like bringer. Yet those are all overheads. The definition of overhead is "a move that cannot be crouch blocked" not "a move that looks like bandit bringer".
@skiff3714
@skiff3714 Год назад
Inb4 some guy is like hur dur LK is lying or downplaying or whatever new buzzword and cherry picks a single point
@proxy464
@proxy464 Год назад
Bruh
@pkbltz5272
@pkbltz5272 Год назад
Top 3 for sure
@jscriber100
@jscriber100 Год назад
Her high damage doesn't feel unfair, even in corner. When I lose to Baiken making a comeback with a single RC and less than half meter, know that my opponent worked for that comeback.
@steffanhymer1285
@steffanhymer1285 Год назад
especially if she does it through parries. congratulations. you killed yourself.
@MundoSD
@MundoSD Год назад
Not good enough to beat Goku prolly
@dollydali
@dollydali Год назад
unlisted power
@noelvermillionshilling4178
@noelvermillionshilling4178 Год назад
Broken
@kamachunoFGC
@kamachunoFGC Год назад
mid tier. need buffs for defensive
@yoannsoh4009
@yoannsoh4009 Год назад
bruh you need help...
@TheLoneAlpaca
@TheLoneAlpaca Год назад
Baiken is way overturned. Buff Zato
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