Floatzel will always stick out in my mind as the prime “why would I ever use a physical Water type on my team when I need a Surfer” Pokémon, but the removal of HMs allows for so much more flexibility in team composition for situations like that and it definitely should’ve happened sooner
If HMs come back, they should be a separate thing. The justification would also be quite easy - since Sun and Moon made it clear that Pokémon are trained to use moves that ferry humans to other places so that they don’t hurt others, there could be battling slots and HM slots to indicate that the Pokémon is being trained for battle and for ushering humans elsewhere.
@@JamienautMark2 Thing is the best physical water stab lies in Aqua Tail at least till gen 4 i accept sacrifing 10 Acc points from Waterfall to gain an extra 10 points in Stab. Try a Gyarados with Dragon Dance Aqua Tail Earthquake Outrage What's worse to get all that in generation 4 was a pain as you also wanted many Earthquake TMs for other strong Pokémon as well and the Battle Frontier was the only choice.But winning so many battles there and ending up winning the TM was worth it , same with Outrage.Gyarados is known as one of the Pokémon that you yourself have to fix them to get good because in terms of game given moves they can never release their maximum potential.Gyarados is also part flying type which makes zero sense , as one of the official semi pseudo legendary Pokémon along with its special counterpart Milotic it should have been a Water/Dragon type. Thing will be a Death Star among Planetary Pokémon.I had managed to run 3 DDs at once in singles against a friend of mine , Gyarados had been left with 30 HP and it took down 4 of his Pokémon , lol.
@@marchedgie6838 you do know that Wild Charge's distribution is fairly big right? Raticate Arcanine (both forms) Rapidash (both forms) Paldean Tauros (all 3 forms) Snorlax Granbull Emboar Stoutland Sawsbuck Klinklang Boffulant Gogoat Gumshoos Solgaleo Greedent Zacian (and to an lesser extent Zamazenta) Wyrdeer Mabosstiff Cyclizar Dudunsparce Slither Wing Iron Treads Iron Leaves so Wild Charge's distribution is fine
If Floatzel had Wave Crash since D/P/Pt, it would have been a lot better in the older formats, especially B/W. I don't see why Wave Crash wasn't introduced in the same generation Wood Hammer and Flare Blitz were.
Been a floatzel fan since it's debut and always used it on my teams every time I replayed gen 4. I think it has such a cool design, and am so happy it's getting the love it deserves now
Okay, I'm designing a Pokémon fangame. Here are some buffs and nerfs I think of implementing: Move Buffs: -Hyper Beam and its clones will skip the recharge turn if they score a KO. -Weight-based moves now have double power under Gravity. Ability Buffs: -Solid Rock and its clones now halve damage from super effective moves. (For example, Camerupt will act like it has only one weakness: a 2X weakness to Water) -Iron Fist now increases the power of punching moves by 50%. -Rock Head now protects the user from the recoil of moves that cause them to lose a set fraction of their max HP, such as Mind Blown and Steel Beam. However, moves that kill the user still kill. -Illuminate now allows stat stage-changing moves to bypass abilities, Clear Amulet, and Mist. Pokémon Buffs (hoping to salvage some stuck in Untiered purgatory): -Aromatisse's base HP and Sp. Atk are increased by 5 each, and it gets a few more moves. -Relicanth gets Wave Crash. It also gets its signature move Primal Pulverize, a Rock-type physical Steel Beam. -Wormadam gets +10 in all stats except Speed, and Mothim gets +10 in all stats except HP. They all learn a few new moves, and for secondary abilities, Plant Cloak gets Grassy Surge, Sandy Cloak gets Sand Stream, and Trash Cloak gets Heatproof. -Scovillain can now learn Solar Blade. -Both Arcanines can now learn Raging Fury. -Shiftry's Early Bird is replaced with Wind Rider. Shiftry's base stats are now 80-110-60-100-60-90. Shiftry can now learn Close Combat, U-Turn, and Switcheroo. -The Pidgey family, as well as some other Flying-types, get Swoop Strike (Flying-type Flame Charge). -Scyther and its evolutions, as well as some other Pokémon, get Steel Blade (Steel-type Slash). -Wailord's base stats are now 180-100-80-100-80-40, with Regenerator as a Hidden Ability. -Malamar's base stats are now 86-102-88-78-75-73, and it gets access to Hammer Arm, Ice Hammer, Close Combat, Confuse Ray, Gravity, Psycho Shift, and its signature move, Hypnoburst, a Psychic-type Overheat that attacks all adjacent Pokémon. -Lanturn's base HP and Speed are increased by +10 each. -Magmortar gets a Mega that boosts its Attack by 10, its defenses and Speed by 20, and its Sp. Atk by 30. Mega Magmortar has Mega Launcher as an ability, and Magmortar can now use Scald, Water Pulse, Dark Pulse, Dragon Pulse, Terrain Pulse, Aura Sphere, and Heal Pulse. -Electivire gets a Mega that boosts its Sp. Atk by 10, its defenses and Speed by 20, and its Attack by 30. Mega Electivire's ability is Iron Fist, and it can now run Bullet Punch, Mach Punch, Comet Punch, Drain Punch, and Shadow Punch. If those buffs and nerfs were implemented, how would they affect the metagame? What Pokémon would go up a tier or two, and what Pokémon would go down a tier or two? Are these buffs enough to salvage some previously-unusable mons?
Even in UU, it’s not without competition for physical swift swim water type, because Drednaw will probably go from RUBL to UU because of Pelipper dropping
@@dragonslayer7724 Drednaw is outclassed by Floatzel and Barraskewda. Barraskewda is the one in trouble, though, since it doesn't even have the benefit of a dual-STAB like Drednaw. It's strictly outclassed by Floatzel now because Floatzel hits way harder with Wave Crash even though it has less Attack overall.
@@Skeloperch Wow, that's insane. I used to think that Barra would drastically outclass Floatzel if they were to be in a same game simply because of its higher attack and speed but guess I was wrong. XD
@JeremyCuddles Even with an expanded Dex, Wave Crash doesn't have huge distribution unless more get it. Since Barraskewda doesn't get it, Floatzel is unique in that regard
@JeremyCuddles I mean it has a B rank viability in nat dex ou. So it can clearly hang with the more powerful mons that will be brought back when dex expands.
No cap, floatzel in gen 9 is terrifying in OU, like it's tier placement doesn't show it cause rain isn't super popular but when you see, you realize then and there you're dropping like 2 mons at least to that thing
Floatzel’s dex entries mention that it tries to save struggling Pokémon with its life vest thing. I feel like Floatzel having Friend Guard would make sense knowing that, and it’d help to make it a lot better in VGC
You know I had to show up early for my fav mon. The mon who was once used by crasher wake getting a move called wave crash that made it usable is very fitting to me, bro never forgot his roots
Finding a buizel in Gen 4 and training it up will always be a lasting memory for me. Glad to see the speedy weasel still getting great niche use to this day!
@@iantaakalla8180 I agree. It would be amazing if they make rom hacks with the tiers in mind. Like the first run though, only pokemon from the PU tier show up. Then when you defeat red and catch the post game legendary, you go to the next area which has pokemon up to NU, etc. That would make one heck of a rom hack
I never played the original gen 4 games, so my first big introduction to Floatzel was in Legends: Arceus last year, and I became really fond of mine. Using it to rip UU to shreds with rain makes me so proud ;-;
Floatzel would be my favorite water type if not for Samurott and Milotic. Glad to see how much better it got in gen 9. Going from PU to having a niche in Ubers is insane
I forgot it swapped to Friday’s and this is a pleasant surprise. I love how in gen 9 it finally got good water stab in wave crash and now is incredible on rain teams
The fact that he said that it was faster than Sharpedo made me check what Sharpedo's speed was...and it's 95. HOW? It's a SHARK. TORPEDO. And it doesn't break 100?
As of 4/7/23, Floatzel has recently dropped further down to NU, it is currently seen as decent in the tier. How successful it is there in the long run remains to be seen. However Pelipper also recently dropped to UU, so it is currently bring its rain terror there. It is unironically better in OU and UU than it is in RU and NU, but that kind of shows how much is it is synonymous with rain.
The most notable thing I remember Floatzel for is the gym battle against Crasher Wake, notable for being a worthy foe for Ash's Buizel and where it shows off what Incineroar's down special in _Smash_ should've been with Bulk Up.
I never really cared for Floatzel, but seeing it being viable in gen 9 does make me happy, always love seeing "weak" pokemon become useful in higher tiers
@@rossthemoss6827 Fire, Flying, Dragon and Steel being the most notable and common (Bug is dodo, Poison is only used because it hits Fairies even when Steel is better, and Grass dittos are a rarity)
Floatzel is a cool design and a fun Pokémon to use despite how limited it is. A very fast and decent physical attacker (w/ priority just in case) is pretty reliable
Why still RIP VGC? Made sense in 2020 with so much blown up, but now it's back. I don't understand. I'm happy to see this fierce little otter featured! Always loved this, just as you said, as a cornerstone of my Diamond team.
I've always been partial to speedy glass cannons with cool designs, something Floatzel exemplifies. Very glad to see it finally get some real success this time around.
You know, anytime I see Floatzel, I can't help but recall a certain *_dream_* I experienced once And it was apparently the most *_wonderful dream ever had_* 😏🇩🇪
Yeah! My second favorite poke, I've been waiting for this! I know Floatzel didn't had a lot to talk about previous to wave crash in higher tiers, but now he hits like a truck and finally is great and a force to be feared in singles.
The impact of Wave Crash is so big, that BUIZEL is viable in Gen 9 ZU. Thanks to that absurd power in Rain, Buizel is a solid wall breaker in the tier. While it's frailty and doing tickle damage with its coverage makes it less consistent than Beartic and Lumineon, it holds an important spot in most Rain teams on ZU.
Floatzel used to be my favorite Pokémon. Ngl, i felt so happy seeing this weasel going from NU to actually fighting alongside/against the big guys in Ubers. And i don't even play competitve Pokémon.
Floatzel is one of my favourite few pokemon, and was my ace in playing DPPl single player. I also found some value as an anti-meta lead in Gen 6 OU on smogon. There would often be a Mega-Charizard Y lead, and they see a water type and click Solar Beam. Floatzel still outspeeds and activates Rain Dance, and they're sat there knowing they can't avoid the Waterfall OHKO next turn. Unfortunately, packing those + Aqua Jet (for Talonflame) meant only one remaining move slot, and of course if you lead with Floatzel and your opponent is not leading with Megazard Y, you probably aren't going to get much usage. But in that meta at the time, I found it filled an excellent role for a while.
I clicked this video just for the hype of Gen IX Floatzel. In the early days of SV, this thing was a absolute menace. Under rain and with tera water, it stomped defensive mons like Corviknight, Amoongus, non-water absorb Clodsire, Ting-Lu, Toxapex, and even heavily chunked specially defensive behemoth Dondozo with its banded wave crashes. It had almost zero safe switch ins with recoil and its low bulk the only things keeping it in check. Even its low tier status now truly doesn't reflect the absolute tera it can inflict upon the metagame.
I would give Floatzel Swords Dance as a way to boost its attack and U-Turn (I thought it would be the kind of Pokemon who gets it). A buff for its Special Attack probably wouldn't hurt too.
I think in gen 9, floatzel's tiering heavily depends on where peliper is at. when peliper is OU, floatzel will drop to RU. When peliper moves to UU, floatzel will tear up the tier.
heres how gen 9 tiering for floatzel essentially is: is Pellipper ou or uu, if uu floatzel rises to uu, if ou floatzel will just barely miss out on the usage needed for ou due to some rain teams not using it and instead using barraskewda, floatzel will then fall down each tier one by one until pellipper is uu again, in which it will rise back to uu
floatzel didnt end up holding on in gen9uu, but in the first month it looked like the most threatening thing in the tier. going from a mon that languishes in the lowest tiers to tearing up RU and even very briefly UU is a hell of a glow-up for this guy, especially given that Barraskewda (an OU mon in gen8) is competing with it.
Legends Arceus really did a lot for some underrated pokemon as a whole. Goodra has a regional form with the same typing as Dialga, Qwilfish has a regional form that lets it run Eviolite thanks to it evolving into a threatening hazards setter, all of the Eeveelutions get Calm Mind, Basculin evolves into something with more than one type so it gets more use out of Adaptability, Arcanine gets an amazing (offensive) typing that lets it throw off STAB Head Smash without recoil, 3 awful starters get crazy regional forms, and Wave Crash becomes a phenomenal nuclear STAB for offensive Water types. Very pleasant surprise given that its a 75 power move in PLA.
Despite how much people meme about Floatzel being a mainstay on Sinnoh playthroughs, I've never used one. Then again, Piplup is one my favorite starters ever, so...
Wave Crash was such a great addition. Now when the hell are we going to buff up Wild Charge to 120 BP like Flare Blitz/Wood Hammer/Double Edge/etc? Physical electric types have been screwed over for so long
Floatzel gotta have one of the biggest glowup in all of Pokémon The only one on the top of my head that gets even close is mons that got megas (beedrill, mawile, etc)
So, what I have been doing is using a psychic terrain rain team which turns floatzel into an unstoppable beast for a few turns spamming wave crash left and right.
>give a water type brave bird to floatzel >absolutely demolish barraskewda's movepool and also don't give him the move given to floatzel >floatzel proceeds to become a massive threat that to this day it can sweep OU teams with ease as almost nothing can handle a stab terra water wave crash/liquidation
Quick Pokemon lesson! Did you know… Relicanth, one of the most beloved gen 3 water types, has a name based on combining the words “relic” and “coelacanth”. Based on what is sometimes referred to as the fossil fish, the coelacanth is believed to have existed since ancient times! People thought it had gone extinct until one was found in the 20th century. This, combined with “relic”, a term for ancient artifacts that have been reclaimed, give Relicanth a deceptively clever name!
So what? it's a base 120 fire move that causes recoil which it has in common with double edge. I'd say that's GOOD enough to classify it as a de counterpart. just because it can burn DOESN'T mean it should be relegated as a none de counterpart. that kernal of logic itself is kinda dumb. it's a double edge... on FIRE! so if it's on fire... then let me think this through for a moment... Ah yes, then that means it's gonna BURN! Edit: And oh yea... thaw you out when you're frozen. fire does that too.
Little thing I think should be mentioned, Floatzel has dropped to NU after the April Tier shifts, and HOOOOO BOY it is a fucking powerhouse. No seriously, it should be banned from NU for the time. Not only did NU recently lose their main steel to RU (Copperajah) but NU is heavily focused on Pokemon that Floatzel absolutely thrashes, such as Chansey, Sandaconda, and even Tier King Eelektross. Yeah, Choice Band Floatzel goes crazy in this meta. The only thing that can kinda handle Floatzel is Dry Skin Toxicroak, which is a good Pokemon, but you can run something that handles Toxicroak such as your own Sandaconda or another new drop, Charizard. Yeah, it is hella good in Gen 9 all because of a push from Game Freak.
