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How GOOD was Ho-Oh ACTUALLY? - History of Ho-Oh in Competitive Pokemon (Gens 2-7) 

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Ho-Oh is this week’s Pokemon for our competitive history series! Join False Swipe Gaming in this brief overview of Ho-Oh in competitive Pokemon!
2010 Ho-oh Battle videos: www.smogon.com/forums/threads...
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0:00 - Intro
1:14 - GSC/Gen 2
2:44 - ADV/Gen 3
5:01 - DPP/Gen 4
7:28 - Gen 4 VGC
8:32 - BW/Gen 5
10:20 - XY/Gen 6
13:21 - Gen 6 VGC
14:29 - SM/Gen 7
16:19 - Gen 7 VGC
17:49 - Outro
Directed by Kellen
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FULL RESEARCH SOURCES HERE:
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DISCLAIMERS ON FORMATS COVERED:
Notice I said POPULAR formats, meaning a format where there is a significant amount of people who compete in it for tournaments and so on and so forth. Now Popular does not mean official even though two of the formats I will be covering were official formats being Japan Nintendo Cup and VGC, but it is an indicator of what a good portion of competitive players thought was “optimal” at the time. Also sometimes the Pokemon Battle Historia doesn't provide enough information to talk about certain Pokemon so I add Smogon analysis to make sense of it. This is pretty rare though.
To the people asking why I don't cover Smogon Singles for Gens 1 and 2: It wouldn't really be a history video if I covered those because online Smogon gen 1 meta to my knowledge wasn't actually played until late 2000s. I wanted to cover tournaments/competitive battling that was actually played during the early years of Pokemon (late 90s).
To the people asking why I cover Smogon at all for singles: To my knowledge, Smogon was the most popular format for Gens 3-5 and held a number of tournaments throughout the years. As for Gen 6, I am not covering Battle Spot Singles because there is more information and explanations about sets being used relative to their own meta on Smogon. In other words, there are few written analyses about Battle Spot Pokemon besides the Top tiers and I would like to avoid theorycrafting because it may have a hint of bias (though I theorycraft if I REALLY couldn't find information on a certain Pokemon). The keyword here is explanations. Though I did find statistics of most Pokemon used and most moves used, there wasn't really any explanations on why. Also the few Pokemon I did find analysis of for Top Tier Battle Spot Singles had very similar move sets to the Smogon OU sets anyway.
For the record, I do not care what rules or formats people play their battles by nor am I saying these formats are the only formats that should be played. The way you play Pokemon is between you and your opponent and I will not fault you for using evasion or whatever, I just like examining popular tournament formats.
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Pokemon Battle Historia:
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Nintendo Cup 2000 Team Construction:
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Nintendo Cup 2000 Tier List:
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Комментарии : 1,7 тыс.   
@Discordual
@Discordual 5 лет назад
Basically the only 4x weak to rock pokemon who didn't immediately drop 2 tiers with the introduction of rocks
@TechnoPrayer15
@TechnoPrayer15 5 лет назад
well and volcarona
@SeriousStriker
@SeriousStriker 5 лет назад
Mega Charizard Y and Volcarona say hi. But they're not Ubers.
@HRCFre4k
@HRCFre4k 5 лет назад
@@SeriousStriker Also, they appeared after Rocks were introduced :b
@SeriousStriker
@SeriousStriker 5 лет назад
Still always been OU though.
@MrZahsome
@MrZahsome 5 лет назад
Rocks need a nerf.
@imortal333
@imortal333 5 лет назад
Is it just me, or did Ho-Oh actually get BETTER over time? This feels like a reverse for most Pokémon in this series.
@bruhbruh4329
@bruhbruh4329 5 лет назад
Cuse it finally got regenerator and defog
@joshuakim5240
@joshuakim5240 5 лет назад
That's kind of debatable because of the reason for it's current placement, which has little to do with Ho-Oh's actual strengths. Rock types, Rock coverage attacks, Stealth Rocks (or just the existence of the Rock type in general) are nonexistant in Ubers yet are extremely prevalent everywhere else, meaning that Ho-Oh in the weirdest reversal of tiering is worse the lower the tier its used in, but better the higher the tier. Ironically, attempting to use Ho-Oh in any tier that isn't Uber is suicidal due to how Rock-heavy those tiers are, which is the extreme reversal of everything else.
@nekolu
@nekolu 5 лет назад
imortal333 it’s a Phoenix, makes sense for it to
@tordellinodellacoopdimassa7996
@@joshuakim5240 Ou is not that rock heavy tho. Tyranitar is the only relevant rock type, and only lando-t, excadrill and garchomp really use rock coverage. I feel like Ho-Oh would destroy OU since its so fat that it can setup on basically anithing that does not have rock coverage. And defensively would be even worse. Just imagine a toxapex, ferrothorn, Ho-Oh core.
@tordellinodellacoopdimassa7996
@@joshuakim5240 ah, and it also has a double stab that is absolutely perfect to destroy the tier. Fire flying stab+ground coverage has no switch-ins, it can't be burnt since it is a fire type. Only garchomp could really do something to stop the bird, but it won't take a lot of brave birds to take chomp out.
@alexdrake4081
@alexdrake4081 3 года назад
Imagine how nuclear Ho-oh will be in Gen 8 because of Heavy-duty boots
@grantdaily9662
@grantdaily9662 3 года назад
It's now got Flare Blitz to compliment it's Brave Bird. So with Heavy Duty Boots/Regenerator and a mix of Recover and Iron Head. You get a harder to kill Magic Bird
@grantdaily9662
@grantdaily9662 3 года назад
@@Crinjal_2611 I didn't say it would replace the Sacred Set. But there's now more focus for power attacks and wall breaking, rather than a slow burn
@SeriousStriker
@SeriousStriker 2 года назад
Yep, it's top tier. But not as good as Calyrex-Shadow and Yveltal.
@matteussilvestre8583
@matteussilvestre8583 5 лет назад
"Ho-No!" - Torterra
@Piper_aaa
@Piper_aaa 5 лет назад
No rayquaza next
@antonioiniguez1615
@antonioiniguez1615 5 лет назад
japhi white yes please
@sarunotaslt
@sarunotaslt 5 лет назад
@@Piper_aaa "Tiers more like tears" - Mega reyquaza when it got banned from Ubers
@boomerangthrower3961
@boomerangthrower3961 4 года назад
I get it! Ho-oh is immune to Torterra’s Ground-*STAB,quad resists it’s Grass-STAB and Ho-oh can annihilate Torterra with both of it’s STABs*
@ZorotheGallade
@ZorotheGallade 3 года назад
@@boomerangthrower3961 Torterra can pack Stone Edge though, so if it reads the switch the tables get turned.
@TheNorseCrow
@TheNorseCrow 5 лет назад
Waiting for that Arceus video that'll probably be like two hours due to all the various forms
@fulgenzio89
@fulgenzio89 5 лет назад
Maybe a video for every generation.
@M3rtyville
@M3rtyville 5 лет назад
gen 4 won't it was unplayable because of the restriction to its evs and people just "recently" found out a way to glitch their way to the azule flute arceus which can get its stats maxed out. Smogon doesn't allow full ev arceus at all in gen 4 Ubers. But there is still a lot to cover since e-killer was always viable alongside 5 others while the few others like bug were not to viable.
@FenrisRM
@FenrisRM 5 лет назад
@@M3rtyville e killer?
@M3rtyville
@M3rtyville 5 лет назад
@@FenrisRM thats Normal arceus' nickname. also short for Extreme Killer since it uses Sword Dance and finish off Pokemon with Extreme Speed which is a +2 priority move. It is one of the most consistent arceus forme over the years
@TheThegreatshinigami
@TheThegreatshinigami 5 лет назад
Is that Honchkrow? It's one of my favorite Gen. 4 pkmn.
@agata6337
@agata6337 4 года назад
heavy duty boots + regenerator ho-oh. gen8ubers will never be the same :v
@Spplaart
@Spplaart 4 года назад
Aged like fine milk
@snorIaxatives
@snorIaxatives 4 года назад
Tate, Herald of Garfus It’s probably coming in the DLC though.
@spencertherealist3290
@spencertherealist3290 4 года назад
Tate, Herald of Garfus Dummy there’s such a thing as the DLC
@pikamain9689
@pikamain9689 4 года назад
Spencer The realist lmao learn to read
@RBatman5000
@RBatman5000 3 года назад
@@Spplaart, Crown tundra is bringing back box legendaries
@marnerbroman
@marnerbroman 5 лет назад
I forgot how cool his "Physical attack" animation was back then
@CrystalHakurei
@CrystalHakurei 5 лет назад
It has the same animation as sneasel while using shadow ball lmao
@marnerbroman
@marnerbroman 5 лет назад
@@CrystalHakurei Still cool looking
@evankurasu3190
@evankurasu3190 4 года назад
TheGameBoyUltimate still better than anything Sword/Shield brought to the table as far as animations go
@kirbydude2523
@kirbydude2523 4 года назад
@@evankurasu3190 Wrong.
@evankurasu3190
@evankurasu3190 4 года назад
KirbyDude 25 how so? Give me examples... I'll wait.
@dasaiyantv8483
@dasaiyantv8483 5 лет назад
Maybe when we get to Unova we should do Serperior first.
@kellenrist3973
@kellenrist3973 5 лет назад
Yeah. Let Emboar suffer the delay!
@pkfire5790
@pkfire5790 5 лет назад
no emboar is cool stfu
@mr.cheese1865
@mr.cheese1865 5 лет назад
Yes! Emboar is the worst of the Unova trio, it deserves it!
@kellenrist3973
@kellenrist3973 5 лет назад
@@pkfire5790 It's easily the worst of the Unova starters, and quite possibly the worst starter in any game.
@pkfire5790
@pkfire5790 5 лет назад
@@kellenrist3973 not true. its better than samurott and meganium is the worst starter
@DJTileTurnip
@DJTileTurnip 5 лет назад
I see your keeping up the trend of delaying the grass starter
@ShinMario098
@ShinMario098 5 лет назад
It's tradition around here to put a extra episode before the last Starter.
@michaelconner9208
@michaelconner9208 5 лет назад
c-c-c-c-c-combo breaker combo
@purpleheartneptune6267
@purpleheartneptune6267 5 лет назад
joe53820 stfu your stupid it’s the other way around
@toadallynoodle5414
@toadallynoodle5414 5 лет назад
@@purpleheartneptune6267 no need to be rude about it.
@MandalorOrdo
@MandalorOrdo 5 лет назад
@@purpleheartneptune6267 nope
@PydraxAlpta
@PydraxAlpta 5 лет назад
Loved to see how Ho-oh goes from "worst Uber" to decent staple over the generations in Ubers. Also will we stall grass further this time? Poor Torterra
@voltingmaster5458
@voltingmaster5458 5 лет назад
According to the Patreon Pick, Yes.
@allewis4008
@allewis4008 5 лет назад
I remember buying Gold and thinking Ho oh looked awesome on the box art. Glad he's still hanging in there!
@crashgrimm6993
@crashgrimm6993 5 лет назад
Decent is underselling it
@PydraxAlpta
@PydraxAlpta 5 лет назад
@@crashgrimm6993 Well, yeah. (The thing is you gotta type the early comments quickly so that people notice, so couldn't find time to use a better word) Also it was decent before USUM defog, making it more amazing after that.
@MrZahsome
@MrZahsome 2 года назад
Fire types had it rough in the early gens tbh lol up until Infernape and Heatran came along.
@redranger4953
@redranger4953 5 лет назад
I recently competed in an online tournament using Ho-oh. It had Sacred Fire, Brave Bird, Earthquake and Natural Gift with an adamant nature. Why Natural Gift you may ask? I saw that if holding a Leichi berry, it becomes a grass type attack and has a base attack of 80. It was used to counter water, rock and ground types. I know it sounds outlandish and gimmicky but it can help in most situations and catch opponents off guard.
@SultanOmarII
@SultanOmarII Год назад
cant ho oh have hidden power grass?
@redranger4953
@redranger4953 Год назад
@@SultanOmarII not in more recent games
@chexkers4212
@chexkers4212 5 лет назад
*Ho-Oh?!* *You mean, better Moltres?*
@EndingNote111
@EndingNote111 5 лет назад
Moltres ? You mean Ho-Oh but trash ?
@homelesstogreatness6626
@homelesstogreatness6626 5 лет назад
HO-OH ÷ 0 = Moltres
@xeruexe1624
@xeruexe1624 5 лет назад
Divide anything by 0 and it becomes infinite. And Moltres is not THAT good.
@docxy7331
@docxy7331 5 лет назад
Totem charazard
@jonasbechtold
@jonasbechtold 5 лет назад
@@xeruexe1624 Dividing by 0 can equal negative infinity as well, though.
@LukeFaulkner
@LukeFaulkner 4 года назад
Pokemon: Ho-Oh Santa: Ho-Ho Ho-tel: Trivago
@an3582
@an3582 4 года назад
This was a bad joke and you should be ashamed.
@relaxn3918
@relaxn3918 4 года назад
@@an3582 people have different tastes of humor, not everybody has the same as you you know
@an3582
@an3582 4 года назад
@@relaxn3918 I wasn't being serious.
@jjtheenton
@jjtheenton 5 лет назад
The streak of denying Grass starters continues.
@kylemckell7653
@kylemckell7653 5 лет назад
Because they're just generally bad and shoved to lower tiers
@JustInCaseD
@JustInCaseD 5 лет назад
Kyle McKell It took Serp a generation, but it’s chillin’ in OU
@MaxosGoji
@MaxosGoji 5 лет назад
@@kylemckell7653 Venusaur and Serperior say hello.
@kylemckell7653
@kylemckell7653 5 лет назад
@@MaxosGoji there are exceptions to every rule. But torterra is not ome of them
@allmight9744
@allmight9744 5 лет назад
@@kylemckell7653 doesn't matter if they're trash Torterra could be PU the whole time I would still watch that video
@WolframYouTube
@WolframYouTube 5 лет назад
You overlooked the best change to gen 7 Ho-Oh It got Burn-Up, the best meme in the game
@Skullhawk13
@Skullhawk13 2 года назад
Roost+Burn up sadly can’t be used on the same turn
@WolframYouTube
@WolframYouTube 2 года назад
@@Skullhawk13 The loss of your Fire type from Burn-Up stays until you swap out. So you use Burn-Up to become a pure flying type, and then you use Roost to become typeless for that turn.
@Skullhawk13
@Skullhawk13 2 года назад
@@WolframRU-vid roost makes pure flying normal type
@WolframYouTube
@WolframYouTube 2 года назад
@@Skullhawk13 Only when the Pokémon originally was pure Flying. If it loses its typing through Burn-Up, it will not become normal.
@Skullhawk13
@Skullhawk13 2 года назад
@@WolframRU-vid Interesting, that seems odd but I can believe it
@Demento56
@Demento56 5 лет назад
RIP Torterra
@DJTileTurnip
@DJTileTurnip 5 лет назад
He always puts an episode before the grass starter
@Fin8192
@Fin8192 5 лет назад
Next is Patreon pick tho
@joegreen3802
@joegreen3802 5 лет назад
@@DJTileTurnip Blastoise says hi?
@TempestMauve
@TempestMauve 5 лет назад
@DJ Tile Turnip Conspiracy.
@TempestMauve
@TempestMauve 5 лет назад
@Joe Green Still, it would be better if he did these reviews every Wednesdays and Sundays.
@arasonyth3243
@arasonyth3243 5 лет назад
It's so hard to cook turkey right, it dries out so easily. It's definitely low on the list of bird meat. Not sure how it has such a dominant presence at Smogen Thanksgiving.
@siircartiier
@siircartiier 5 лет назад
Arasonyth idk man it and compete with duck
@CTback
@CTback 5 лет назад
Guess someone doesn't know how brine works.
@finalfreak17
@finalfreak17 5 лет назад
It has a lot of meat to feed a lot of people for cheap and it has an iconic look.
@siircartiier
@siircartiier 5 лет назад
gribble of the sand r/Whoooosh
@poiz921
@poiz921 5 лет назад
You should sous-vide it. It's the best.
@chaosbreaker657
@chaosbreaker657 5 лет назад
How strong was Ho-oh's neck actually? Seriously, looking at its sprite from Gens 3-5, its neck is almost always bent.
@PoshWosher
@PoshWosher 5 лет назад
Friend: Isn't Moltres like Ho-oh? Me: ***hits him with a rock***
@ed765super
@ed765super 4 года назад
Dies in one shot because he's moltres and not ho-oh
@kanibelazy0585
@kanibelazy0585 5 лет назад
Do you know whats funny? Next week its gonna be Patreon pick, so if they didnt vote for Torterra then Torterra is gonna be delayed for a second time
@voltingmaster5458
@voltingmaster5458 5 лет назад
They didn’t vote for Torterra.
@jacobdyingextraordinaire4805
@jacobdyingextraordinaire4805 5 лет назад
Damn.
@jorgemiranda4704
@jorgemiranda4704 5 лет назад
Marik Ishtar: BEHOLD! THE MEGA ULTRA CHICKEN! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Joey: ...
@villabong11
@villabong11 5 лет назад
nye?
@dylanogg347
@dylanogg347 4 года назад
Arrise Chicken! Arrise!
@NocturnalPyro
@NocturnalPyro 3 года назад
19:05 I'd give it some type of item which either reduced or completely removed hazard damage, could be some type of boots, like those safety boots used for Heavy duty work. Oh wait...
@jayclearmen411
@jayclearmen411 Год назад
I’d give it its own held item. called ;) Rainbow Wing it increases Hp Atk Def Sp.def & Spd by 20-30%
@NocturnalPyro
@NocturnalPyro Год назад
@@jayclearmen411 Fuckin what?
@The_PokeSaurus
@The_PokeSaurus 5 лет назад
I actually like Ho-Oh more than Lugia. But still respect Lugia.
@Qwitsch55
@Qwitsch55 5 лет назад
I like Lugia more. But I will respect your opinion.
@The_PokeSaurus
@The_PokeSaurus 5 лет назад
@@Qwitsch55 Same here.
@HenrythePaleoGuy
@HenrythePaleoGuy 5 лет назад
I like both equally. I just can't choose!
@The_PokeSaurus
@The_PokeSaurus 5 лет назад
@@HenrythePaleoGuy Understandable.
@chiomuoma2549
@chiomuoma2549 5 лет назад
ho-oh and lugia vs zhuqiaomon and varodurumon!2-on-2 death battle!!!who wins?!?!?tell me what you think!!!!!I loved this video!!!!
@jalapenobug
@jalapenobug 2 года назад
And now Ho-Oh is one of the best Pokémon in Gen 8 Ubers.
@kingambitreal
@kingambitreal Месяц назад
Still is in Gen 9 Ubers including Natdex iirc
@Laffey99
@Laffey99 5 лет назад
Yay, the KFC God is finally being analysed! :D
@NeoGraena
@NeoGraena 5 лет назад
Kawaii Girl you mean blaziken rite?
@4horsemenoftheapocalypse58
@4horsemenoftheapocalypse58 5 лет назад
Kawaii Girl winged dragon of Ra us a yugioh card
@samuelsams614
@samuelsams614 5 лет назад
Lol xD
@vaporterra
@vaporterra 5 лет назад
Blaziken is literally KFC, Kentucky Fighting Chicken
@dylanogg347
@dylanogg347 4 года назад
@@vaporterra Which means, when it Mega Evolves, it becomes a Mega Ultra Kentucky Fighting Chicken.
@DareDB
@DareDB 5 лет назад
I’m just gonna come out and say it: Stealth Rock should’ve never been invented.
@Dave_The_Musical_Fisherman
@Dave_The_Musical_Fisherman 5 лет назад
Or a max damage cap. Dropping half your life is too much. 1/3 seems a lot better
@doicaretho6851
@doicaretho6851 5 лет назад
Or at least make alternatives with other types. I could see an ice, steel, bug, ghost, grass etc. variant, with only one kind available at a time. They could also cap the number of turns to around 3-5, or maybe the damage like the other guy said.
@YamatoFukkatsu
@YamatoFukkatsu 5 лет назад
@shakuuza ez I'm sure Delibird was totally asking to have half its health knocked off just for switching in. Yup, utterly broken Pokemon, right there.
@camoking3605
@camoking3605 5 лет назад
@@YamatoFukkatsu I get the joke, but competitive pokemon has always been harsh for fire and ice types because of how common their counters are, stealth rocks just hurt what viability they have even more
@jjtheenton
@jjtheenton 5 лет назад
Just have it function like Spikes rather than being type-dependent.
@alecbecker8911
@alecbecker8911 4 года назад
These videos are so well made, thank you for all the research and great content you put into these. Seriously 10/10 video
@violetvappy1796
@violetvappy1796 5 лет назад
You know I've always wondered about this. Good to see I'll finally get to learn about it in the best format on the internet!
@jolteon43
@jolteon43 5 лет назад
Your content is amazing man, I would love to see you covering Ursaring!
@WTC-1990
@WTC-1990 5 лет назад
imagine if it got a primal with these stats HP: 106 Attack: 140 Defence: 150 Sp Atk: 110 Sp Def: 174 Speed: 100 Ability: Regenerator Defog / Recover Sacred Fire Brave Bird Substitute / Thunder / Earthquake it would be the bane of everyone's existence cause the stall would be insane
@green_hedger_68
@green_hedger_68 3 года назад
Wow !!
@unmployedvillager7341
@unmployedvillager7341 2 года назад
@@Crinjal_2611 There is one in rom hack called radical red with custom ability Primal Armor which reduces super effective damage by half. It is stally of the stalliest while possessing severe offensive pressure
@seabirdflutter
@seabirdflutter 2 года назад
our only saving grace is that it's not magic bounce
@WTC-1990
@WTC-1990 2 года назад
@@seabirdflutter Regenerator tho, we seen what it could do on normal Ho-Oh, imagine it on one with better stats
@seabirdflutter
@seabirdflutter 2 года назад
@@WTC-1990 yeah. that's just nasty, but if it has the primal orb it can't run boots so we got that
@rosesugarman1372
@rosesugarman1372 5 лет назад
Awesome video like always!! Thank you so much!
@djimonmcdonald9085
@djimonmcdonald9085 5 лет назад
Thank you FSG, very nice.
@andrestewart2316
@andrestewart2316 5 лет назад
The Pokémon with the BEST legendary theme!.
@matguimond92
@matguimond92 3 года назад
I like Suicune's theme more
@Sakis_Husband
@Sakis_Husband 5 лет назад
Childhood is loving Lugia for how awesome and scary it is. Adulthood is loving Ho-Oh for how majestic and grandiose it is.
@antares4731
@antares4731 4 года назад
Hello -VerminTV- Maturity is loving both.
@ElectroBlastLuigi
@ElectroBlastLuigi 5 лет назад
*Fearow is Ho-Oh's evolution!*
@stargazer378
@stargazer378 5 лет назад
Then is sperrow its pre-evolve form?
@jeffreycottle9896
@jeffreycottle9896 5 лет назад
@Nick Cruz you must live under a rock😂
@c_f0rce
@c_f0rce 5 лет назад
@Nick Cruz So you lived under a rock.
@M3rtyville
@M3rtyville 4 года назад
The animators must have read your comment. Fearow appeared as a fake Ho-Oh in a recent episode
@decoral
@decoral 3 года назад
@Nick Cruz Not really Articino resemblancez the Pidgey Line a lot more than Moltres.
@glitchguidegabe
@glitchguidegabe 5 лет назад
3:40 Yo Mr. FSG. These should be in every video from now on. Excellent call dude!
@Iamwolf134
@Iamwolf134 5 лет назад
Lugium Z and Ho-Ohnium Z involving aeroblast and sacred fire respectively.
@ZorotheGallade
@ZorotheGallade 3 года назад
Ho-Oh's Z-move should do something like healing the user of statuses or recovering their HP
@Iamwolf134
@Iamwolf134 3 года назад
@@ZorotheGallade What of Lugia's Z-move?
@ZorotheGallade
@ZorotheGallade 3 года назад
@@Iamwolf134 Clearing the weather?
@Iamwolf134
@Iamwolf134 3 года назад
@@ZorotheGallade Hey, good idea. I think it should even nullify Desolate Land, Primordial Sea, and Delta Stream
@Iamwolf134
@Iamwolf134 3 года назад
I'm thinking that Ho-Oh's z-move would be Infernal Flare Blast; A ballistic move that lays down a burning mass (an entry hazard) that acts binding move when the next opponent switches in unless removed via rapid spin/defog. Lugia's Z move would be called Airborne Razor Barrage; A ballistic move that lays down a razor sharp cyclone (an entry hazard) that acts binding move when the next opponent switches in unless removed via rapid spin/defog.
@knju1monsterhunt656
@knju1monsterhunt656 5 лет назад
The second I first saw Ho-oh's stats, I knew it was the Flareon/Entei of the legendary birds.
@wazemo2764
@wazemo2764 3 года назад
It isn't though it's actually a really good mon.
@ShiningJudgment666
@ShiningJudgment666 3 года назад
Not even a comparison. Ho-oh is far beyond either of them. Entei at least got better over time getting more useable physical moves and Sacred Fire as a STAB option. Kind of like Arcanine-litesih only it gets Sacred Fire and Stone Edge and Iron Head. Flareon at least got given Superpower for coverage and got Flare Blitz eventually but you can't overlook that Speed...
@jaretco6423
@jaretco6423 2 года назад
I think u mean an better Moltres.
@infiniteFERN
@infiniteFERN 5 лет назад
Awesome video!
@MoxieBoosted
@MoxieBoosted 5 лет назад
Some important notes about Ho-Oh's place in VGC 2019. Its mainly a rain team pokemon. Access to sacred fire lets it protect kyogre from steel/grass threats like kartana and ferrothorn. Super effective damage along with the chance to burn them if they manage to survive it in the rain is pretty huge. Access to tailwind also helps kyogre use water spout to its full potential. Another purpose for Ho-Oh was to check xerneas. It natually takes hit from boosted xerneas because of its huge special bulk and resistance to fairies. It sometimes ran whirlwind or roar though to force it out, since offensively it has few options vs xerneas.
@oofjeff3735
@oofjeff3735 5 лет назад
Xernas run tbolr and thunder tho?
@MoxieBoosted
@MoxieBoosted 5 лет назад
@@oofjeff3735 not, xern are typically Moonblast/Protect/Dazzling Gleam/Geomancy
@oofjeff3735
@oofjeff3735 5 лет назад
@@MoxieBoosted da fak? Its mostly *gemamcy. Moonblast. Focus Blast. Psyshoc/tbolt* What kind of idiot needs moonblast and dazzling gleam lol
@MoxieBoosted
@MoxieBoosted 5 лет назад
@@oofjeff3735 VGC is a doubles format. Dazzling gleam + fairy aura after a geomancy can get easy KO's on chipped opponents. Go to pikalytics and check the usage stats. Hardly anyone uses focus blast or tbolt.
@oofjeff3735
@oofjeff3735 5 лет назад
@@MoxieBoosted oof. My bad. I made a mistake for singles x_x
@spencerbowden2979
@spencerbowden2979 4 года назад
I’m the only one of my friends who got Pokémon colosseum no one wanted to play it because they knew it would be more story driven and they thought any Pokémon I found I could just breed and transfer. Their shock when I one day brought a Ho oh to our daily battles. They started accusing me of hacking in mythicals and I told them I got it in colosseum. One internet video later they finally believed me and just like that all my friends went to get colosseum.
@masterplusmargarita
@masterplusmargarita 5 лет назад
I don't play competitive Pokemon (though I've picked up a passing knowledge of it over time, in no small part thanks to this series) but... does the community as a whole feel good about Stealth Rocks, or does it get a lot of hate? It seems like a move that defines the meta to such an extent and makes such a large portion of cool Pokemon unusable in high tiers that it seems like a real bummer. (I know that I really, really hate similarly limiting/meta-reducing things in games that I play competitively.)
@bruhbruh4329
@bruhbruh4329 5 лет назад
It's a love it/hate it affair. Some love it because it and spikes can put stall teams on the back foot, forcing them to either take damage on switching to pivots or risk spending a turn not healing or defense boosting. Others hate it because it basically forced almost every fire or flying type in the whole game down a tier or two because of how prominent it was.
@vroomzoom4206
@vroomzoom4206 5 лет назад
It kind of had to be added. No stealth rocks makes stall teams far too effective sadly. Before stealth Rock that's basically all you saw.
@aceclover758
@aceclover758 5 лет назад
SR how it is is bad. Literally makes 50% of Poke unplayable competively, even if said Poke has good stats
@alexandermcmillan8056
@alexandermcmillan8056 5 лет назад
It's a 50/50, SR helps Pokemon get certain KOs as well as making some Pokemon very good leads because of their access to them, however it does make a lot of Pokemon bad because of the damage.
@adamchef772
@adamchef772 5 лет назад
Stealth rocks used to be far more restricting, nowdays you can built your team however you want because options to get rid of them are plentiful
@FriendfullFJ
@FriendfullFJ 5 лет назад
I don't play pokemon anymore but always love watching these videos
@isolajacobs5618
@isolajacobs5618 3 года назад
I glad you create this video.
@paddeler92
@paddeler92 3 года назад
People: So will Ho-Oh run Choice Band again? Ho-Oh: Nope, just gimme some shoes!
@ShiningJudgment666
@ShiningJudgment666 3 года назад
Giving up a little power or Leftovers recovery to not lose health from Rocks might be worth it.
@camoking3609
@camoking3609 2 года назад
@@ShiningJudgment666 when you still have healing from roost/recover and regenerator It is extremely worth it Especially because bow ho-oh can act as an anti hazard mon itself
@joegreen3802
@joegreen3802 5 лет назад
Kind of interesting that a Fire/Flying type managed to stay in Ubers to this day
@amaanverma8248
@amaanverma8248 2 года назад
You had charizard y it was preety strong mega
@joegreen3802
@joegreen3802 2 года назад
@@amaanverma8248 Charizard Y isn’t Uber
@amaanverma8248
@amaanverma8248 2 года назад
@@joegreen3802 but it was very important to counter the ever present xerneas(i don't the spelling) and also was very strong he had 8.9 % also mega mauwile had only 22.8%
@jwanie366
@jwanie366 5 лет назад
Thanks for including VGC 19 Sun Series teams! Ho-Oh hasn’t been seeing as much usage in Moon Series so far
@scottlanham577
@scottlanham577 5 лет назад
This is seriously what I look forward to on Sundays
@PapaTaurean
@PapaTaurean 5 лет назад
4th gen was such a double edged sword for Ho-Oh. The physical/special spilt let it's Sacred Fire do more damage, but Stealth Rocks... Oofdah. Fire/Flying really has trouble with that.
@ShiningJudgment666
@ShiningJudgment666 3 года назад
At least they gave him strong secondary STAB.
@user-ux3xv8bq2t
@user-ux3xv8bq2t 4 года назад
I think seeing Ho Oh in the first episode was meant to foreshadow that 151 Pokemon was only the beginning
@austinmcdowell7088
@austinmcdowell7088 5 лет назад
Love these uploads man. Would really like to see one on Fearow I always chose him over Pidgey in gen 1 lol.
@bigben1766
@bigben1766 5 лет назад
Love the vids bro
@CoolyCools
@CoolyCools Год назад
Rainbow fearow is a pretty good staple and one of the few that actually got better over the years.
@ivoryas1696
@ivoryas1696 4 года назад
The last one of these videos I'm watching before my final high-school summer vacation ends 😢.
@drago3036
@drago3036 4 года назад
I identify :c
@alexgee33
@alexgee33 3 года назад
Congrats on 300k bro
@nijoaroundtheworld
@nijoaroundtheworld 5 лет назад
Your videos are great !!
@dt5716
@dt5716 3 года назад
Can't wait to see Ho-Oh's impact in gen 8 Ubers with the new Heavy Duty Boots. Alongside Regenerator and Roost, it's going to be a nightmare to KO and I suspect it'll run a bulkier variant with double stab, Toxic and Roost.
@mushroomdude123
@mushroomdude123 5 лет назад
Ho-Oh is one of the sickest pokemon designs ever.
@BlaximilianD00d
@BlaximilianD00d 3 года назад
So simple yet pretty at the same time
@brandonsmigliani2163
@brandonsmigliani2163 5 лет назад
Great video :)
@znalniaskas
@znalniaskas 4 года назад
Great Video as usual! In Gen 2 I like to run Sacred Fire, Recover, Earthquake and Shadowball or Ancient Power. Fire hits everything that resists Earthquake super effective or neutral (Flying) and with 130 attack Ancient Power can hit Zaptos really hard, or you just go with Shadowball to hit something on that side, a sd drop could make Sacred Fire really dangerous.
@heartofthefluft8541
@heartofthefluft8541 5 лет назад
*Very berry* I love how one of the Ho-Ohs used in 6th Gen was named after Lilina's weapon, Forblaze 🔥
@XO_Hikari
@XO_Hikari 4 года назад
Aye Fe reference
@chrisf.9595
@chrisf.9595 3 года назад
Lilina? Don't you mean Athos?
@heartofthefluft8541
@heartofthefluft8541 3 года назад
@@chrisf.9595 Lilina in Fire Emblem Heroes wields the Forblaze as a 5* weapon. But Athos also count :D that tome appears both in FE6 and FE7
@beanburrito4405
@beanburrito4405 5 лет назад
We did it again! Though this time the Lugia/Ho-oh was kinda interrupted by the starters as well, so it went both ways lol Also I was featured in the video! Yay :)
@RoaringPirates
@RoaringPirates 5 лет назад
Yay I’m glad we got this, Ho-Oh is my favorite
@telearms
@telearms 5 лет назад
I love these videos!!😍😍
@theamazingsmith1224
@theamazingsmith1224 5 лет назад
I think it would be interesting to get a behind the scenes of the “How Good were” Series.
@sarasaland4709
@sarasaland4709 5 лет назад
Ho-Oh might have less artificial popularity. But it has always been my favorite legend. :)
@thatdankguy5140
@thatdankguy5140 5 лет назад
Getting ho-oh at mt battle will forever be one of my favourite gaming memories
@acc3209
@acc3209 5 лет назад
I was expecting Torterra but this was a nice surprise :)
@speedypichu6833
@speedypichu6833 5 лет назад
I think stealth rock was turning point, but at least you can't switch around your team for all eternitiy
@speedypichu6833
@speedypichu6833 5 лет назад
No one will notice this comment anyway
@LadyLeomon
@LadyLeomon 5 лет назад
The Phoenix is my absolute favourite Mythical Animal and the Johto Phoenix didn't disappoint! How GOOD was Mightyena ACTUALLY? next please? Thanks for another fun vid False Swipe =^_^=
@gullerodjensen6926
@gullerodjensen6926 5 лет назад
Im gonna enjoy watching this video!!
@MarvelMan4
@MarvelMan4 5 лет назад
Ho-Oh is my favorite Pokemon! I remember when people played Marshadow for the first time on Showdown and I always tried to fit a Ho-Oh on my Ubers teams if it could fit. Quite a few people rage quit or gave up because of how easy I KO'ed their Marshadows (ones that didn't play Rock Tomb anyway). Good times!
@Zach0451
@Zach0451 5 лет назад
I have always been pretty bad at pokemon battles, but whenever I have Ho-Oh on my team it always works out!
@HunterHerne
@HunterHerne 5 лет назад
I have always been of the opinion that if you need to use an Olympus Mon to win, you are a scrub player.
@Zach0451
@Zach0451 5 лет назад
@@HunterHerne By this logic, anyone who plays Ubers is a scrub. Did you think before you typed this? (Rhetorical question)
@HunterHerne
@HunterHerne 5 лет назад
@@Zach0451 It may be rhetorical, but I'll answer it by saying I have never, nor will I ever, play Smogon tiers. And I have used 3 legendaries against players in the history of my pokemon playing, starting in Gen1. And those were an Incarnate Tornadus rest-talker, a support Raikou, and a generic Heatran.
@Zach0451
@Zach0451 5 лет назад
@@HunterHerne Ooh you're one of *those* players....
@HunterHerne
@HunterHerne 5 лет назад
@@Zach0451 Yep, one of those players who value fun and creativity over competitive viability.
@vdd1001
@vdd1001 3 года назад
I like seeing my boy Ho oh get better and better with each gen (brave bird in gen 4? Regenerator in gen 5? Dealing with xerneas and some pgroudon in gen 6? gen 8 heavy duty boots? Yes please)
@iggnifyre6333
@iggnifyre6333 5 лет назад
This video was a rollercoaster with all the ups and downs this thing had within the same generation.
@GorodorGrinds
@GorodorGrinds 5 лет назад
The joys of watching my favorite Pokemon get better with time. :D
@austineafford
@austineafford 3 года назад
Ho Oh should learn the moves Wing Attack, Firespin and Flare Blitz on its' own level.
@davidpt
@davidpt 5 лет назад
Ho-Oh is absolutely incredible and I would say almost a must have on any Ubers team. It covers for too many things and is able to be things strong despite the existence of Stealth Rock. Now that's an achievement. Ho-Oh really matches up to Lugia
@TheBestFormOfHumor
@TheBestFormOfHumor 2 года назад
lol
@minmin8580
@minmin8580 8 месяцев назад
I know this is 4 years ago but people really need to stop acting like Lugia is so much better because its not 🤡 Lugia is neglected in ubers and is the definition of mid there. While Ho-Oh only got better over the years and has significantly more usage than Lugia.
@superzockertvyt9630
@superzockertvyt9630 3 года назад
1:00 so we not gonna talk about the movie Pokemon: I choose you?
@wolfgangervin2582
@wolfgangervin2582 5 лет назад
I always love seeing how the Ubers interact with one another.
@ffork7803
@ffork7803 3 года назад
Pokemon red Pokemon blue *Ho oh*
@TheDiego908
@TheDiego908 5 лет назад
My favorite starter from Sinnoh
@jakubskupinski7630
@jakubskupinski7630 2 года назад
Gen 8: We have these funny boots... Ho-oh "god mode activated"
@19_LuiSal_95
@19_LuiSal_95 3 года назад
It got even better now with Heavy Duty Boots. Ho-Oh is in the top 10 most used Ubers mon. Its amazing.
@mechathunandthecultofdeath4958
*HOW GOOD WAS THE MADNESS OF SPIRITOMB ACTUALLY?*
@emberflameninetales3918
@emberflameninetales3918 5 лет назад
WHY ARE YOU HERE HEARTHSTONE GOD THIS IS NOT TRUMP OR TOAST'S CHANNEL
@miguelmata4557
@miguelmata4557 5 лет назад
Torterra? FSG: I've never seen this man in my life
@xMistaBeastxGames
@xMistaBeastxGames 5 лет назад
Could you maybe put the Pokemon stats back on the screen for every generation? When the video gets long enough I find myself needing to go backwards in the video
@xMistaBeastxGames
@xMistaBeastxGames 5 лет назад
Also explaining abilities would be awesome. I don't know every ability and I assume not everyone does either. A lot of times an ability or item even gets talked about a lot and I just get lost
@bailey9633
@bailey9633 5 лет назад
Posted this while I'm currently hunting this beast
@Mynostalgicvideos
@Mynostalgicvideos 2 года назад
Ho-Oh is the most underrated bird Pokémon and is the best Johto Pokémon. Being the first new region Pokémon shown on TV, Ho-Oh deserves a lot more.
@wowwt
@wowwt 2 года назад
In terms of actual competitive gameplay it was nowhere near the best.
@Mynostalgicvideos
@Mynostalgicvideos 2 года назад
@@wowwt In terms of what really matters, It's looks and early TV appearance, it is definitely near the best.
@wowwt
@wowwt 2 года назад
@@Mynostalgicvideos entei all the way
@Mynostalgicvideos
@Mynostalgicvideos 2 года назад
@@wowwt Ho-Oh is my favorite. I'm also a big fan of Entei
@luisfillipebeserra2108
@luisfillipebeserra2108 Год назад
@@wowwt Entei is something good in competitive?
@a-10warthog72
@a-10warthog72 3 года назад
Ah, yes, Mega Moltres
@Nick-wh5ny
@Nick-wh5ny 5 лет назад
Fav time of the week
@BlutwoAnimations
@BlutwoAnimations 3 года назад
freaking love ho-oh. just uploaded my reanimated the gold/heartgold intro. how good was ho-oh? in my heart: the best, like no one ever was.
@wardskidoedels512
@wardskidoedels512 5 лет назад
torterraaaa
@bailey9633
@bailey9633 5 лет назад
sucks
@andypang1677
@andypang1677 5 лет назад
FINALLY
@crcoghill
@crcoghill 5 лет назад
I'm so happy i have this mon as my first caught Legendary shiny (though, i have some that were hacked by friends or got though wonder trading~)
@dapple-drawings
@dapple-drawings 5 лет назад
Ah my vote was heard! So happy!
@dahubbzgaming
@dahubbzgaming 5 лет назад
Interestingly enough, I've always found Ho-Oh to be one of the cooler legendary Pokemons but somewhat forgettable. It probably has something to do with me playing Silver and Crystal over Gold as a kid.
@AlexHolmesTennis227
@AlexHolmesTennis227 3 года назад
Funny how ho oh learns curse but it’s power is the opposite
@thebecks6356
@thebecks6356 3 года назад
Its 4 am i realy need to sleep dont know anything about competitive pokemon but i am still here and watch a Video about for gods sake Ho-Oh
@justinmc2727
@justinmc2727 5 лет назад
I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS
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