How Good Was Prime Roger Federer Actually? 

Novak is GOAT.

​@@vickoslavkovic2593the commenter's point still stands

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cant agree, most sucessfull for sure, but this doesnt make him the best of all time. The video pointed out clearly, that Federer prime is totally unmatched@@vickoslavkovic2593

Winning the most slams doesn’t make you the GOAT. Playing the most beautiful tennis ever is the mark of true greatness - Djokovic is a grafter but Federer was an artist.

A great comment. You're one of the very few tennis fans nowadays who actually appreciate and understand the game, not just a pathetic and toxic worshipper idolizing a certain tennis player. As a fellow tennis fan who used to be a ride-or-die fan of Federer and then admired Nadal's heavy topspin forehand and physical game for a few years and then lastly couldn't help but respect Novak's tenacity and grit starting in 2011, I came to fully appreciate a wide range or spectrum of playing styles as demonstrated by the big 3. And then also became a fan of Murray at one point as well.

This actually isn't true. Courts were slowed before federer started winning. It's more likely he slowed down than the courts, which ended up having the same effect, the necessity for longer rallies in tougher games, making it harder to win the big games in his 30+ years

Fast courts were before Federer

@@innosanto its not a black/white thing. court's were gradually being slowed down in the 2000s. only in 2010 they stopped being slowed down for the most part (and in some cases started being sped up slightly).

Pure wishful thinking no fact supports that.

Was a weak era

Literally!!

Novak Đoković is the G.O.A.T. of tennis! 🟥🟦⬜

*Naturally* gifted - unquestionably. complete - no. There's only one complete player.

@@giladpachter4546 and who is that?

@@marshaloga3047 Novak Djokovic! Sampras thinks so Agassi thinks so McEnroe thinks so Connors thinks so Roddick thinks so Backer thinks so Wilander thinks so Ivanišević thinks so Medvedev thinks so Zverev thinks so Tsitsipas thinks so Rublev thinks so The stats say so

Rafa also has a big * beside his AO 2022 win that was won due to politics. Novak owns him in Australia and everyone knows it.

@@ryan9099 two of Djokovic's RG are also fake due to Nadal's absence lol, if Federer had this kind of luck he would've won at least 3 RG

@@anseinueseima408 There's an absolutely huge difference between a player being absent due to injury and a player being absent due to politics. First thing you're going to say here is "not really." Yes, really, absolutely 100% different.

@@ryan9099 djokovic chose to not receive vaccine knowing that it will result in a ban

I agree a out atp finals and weeks at no1, but it doesnt matter whether you win a lot on 1. Rafa has completed the slam twice, beating Federer at Wimbledon, meanwhile Federer only did it once, never beaten Rafa at RG.

Before 30: 1)Sampras was 286 weeks 2) Federer 285 weeks 5) Djokovic: 223 weeks After 30: 1) Djokovic: 428 weeks 2) Federer: 310 weeks 3) Sampras: 286 weeks

This aged poorly😅

@@thorhelm4055not at all

Fingers crossed!

he also said his last match against him at the olympics in 2012 is one reason he retired lol

Sure, that was before Novak's peak... Not much representative stat...

@@Shiljamannn thats true

@@cameronsammons8709 yes, i saw him tell Courier that in an interview, nice guy Jim Courier

Djokovic fans will tell you he hadn't learned how to play tennis then because he lived in a bomb shelter until 2018, despite his rich parents never having any problems during the conflict and his being put into a tennis academy from age 5 and no bombs disturbing his tennis education. Plus his parents supported Milosovic and Putin.

after Djokovic, a far more complete player, who is the real GOAT.

@@jatters8696 Djokovic would have been the GOAT if he played in any other era. It took him way too long to establish himself due to Def/Nadal. Even the journalists were against him which really messed with his head.

@@cchavezjr7 bro what are you on, Federer hasn’t beat djokovic in a GS in over a decade, & nadal only beats djokovic in clay

@@jatters8696 Maybe try reading what I wrote instead of just replying to what you think I said.

@@cchavezjr7 Djokovic is still the better player at least statistically.

Can you name some of the tennis greats who measured against Roger, during his prime?

@@lsnakeaye they didn't register because he was way better than any of them. But Nadal was there however even Nadal could only beat him in 1 of the slams,

@@pancake9939thats actually false. During the period Federer dominated, besides Federer himself, a pre-prime Nadal, and a teenager Djokovic, Hewitt was the only one in his peers that can make 2 GS SF in the same year, and he did it only once in 2005. If you look at their losses at GS during these periods, out of all Federer peers, their biggest loss rate on each of them to Federer is 33%. Federer’s rival were losing before even getting s chance to play Federer at a GS. Teenagers were better than Federer’s rival at the time.

I mean Hewitt, Safin, & Roddick had started hitting their stride before the real Fed arrived. But then, yeah he sure "ruined" their full potential legacies alright xD

Imagine this Djokovic facing 6 year younger Federer yeah Djokovic would have the same troubles if not more that Federer had with Djokovic later in his career

Wrong! Djokovic has surpassed him in virtually everything.and every way. The statistics don't lie.

@@l.rongardner2150 Surpassed Nadal? Stop smoking whatever you’re smoking and read what I wrote again. Thanks

I am a federer fan too, I too believe he's the GOAT too, but I think he is not the GOAT coz his records have been surpassed like most slams by 2 people and most weeks no. 1. But he could have been a undisputed GOAT if: he had retired with 16 slams finally breaking through pete's record and would be revered as GOAT with most slams so no more records to break. he had retired with 17 slams in 2012 he would be revered as GOAT with most slams and also he ran through the unstoppable Novak in 2012. he had retired with 20 slams in 2018 he would be regarded as the GOAT with most slams and also the oldest player to win a slam. he converted the 40-15 in wimbledon 2019, he would be regarded as the GOAT not only with most slams but defeating the two top players who were 6 years younger than him and also the oldest man to win a slam. The fact that he is not called the GOAT any longer is that his records broke by two people when he was still on tour and that made some people look down on his records, but even non tennis fans know that most athletes in these kinds of sport retires at much early age. Sampras retired at 32, Agassi retired at 36, not to mention people who came after Roger federer have already been retired and some are struggling in challenger tournaments sad to say but player like verdasco is one of them, but in that age where people give up their pro life, he made a short work of the whole today's generation also Nadal and Novak, ya records wise Novak will be the undisputed GOAT but let's see how he plays when he's as the same age as Roger at the age to 38, coz the bar Roger rose is too high age wise standards also he got to QF of slam at nearly 41 years of age with an injured knee.

@@marshaloga3047 "also he got to QF of slam" And got bageled by Huby easily 🙂

@@chippen9421bro what are you smoking? Head 2 Head: Djokovic 30 > 29 Nadal Grand Slams: Djokovic 23 > 22 Nadal Master 1000: Djokovic 38 > 36 Nadal Weeks at N1: Djokovic 389 > 209 Nadal ATP Finals: Djokovic 6 > 0 Nadal Year End N1: Djokovic 7 > 5 Nadal Career Ratio W/L: Djokovic 83% > 82% Nadal W/L Ratio Surfaces: Djokovic over 80% on Grass, Hard and Clay > Nadal over 80% only in Clay. Total Victories in GS: Djokovic 347 > 315 Nadal Djokovic won all 9 M1000 > Nadal didn’t. Won 7/9 Djokovic won each M1000 twice or more > Nadal didn’t Djokovic won each GS at least 3 times > Nadal won each GS at least 2 times (with an asterisk though AO2022 they didn’t let Djokovic play. At the time Nadal had 1 AO and Djokovic 9 AO, so you know what would have happened if they let Djokovic play that one. Wouldn’t be “ at least 2 times” for Nadal). So, yes, Djokovic surpassed Nadal in everything.

That Novak hasn't had a Nadal or another Novak challenge him in 7/9 of his last slams, except Alcaraz and the one year Daniil played out of his mind. ;p

@@chrisf9156 Roger beat up on nobodies and young kids until joker wasnt a kid anymore. Alcaraz would destroy roger just like joker did.

@@cbdyna you are incredibly ignorant if you think that lmaooo. Novak is beating up on nobodies. How the hell does tsitsipas and kryigos get to slam finals 😂😂😂😂

I would pick Roger over Novak. As the video shows - nobody had a peak like Federer. 4 1/2 years CONSECUTIVE at number one. And 11 GS wins in 4 years. Nobody comes close to that. Also, Novak barely has a winning record against him now - and he had the advantage of getting easy wins when Roger was well past his prime. Look at the last Wimbledon - that should have been Roger's win. He outplayed Novak in every statistic but one (see wiki). He outplayed Novak - period. A younger Federer would have closed out that match - but the fact is, sometimes the better player loses. Roger = GOAT for me.

​​@@antoniomarine1567 Federer had 4-5 years to get starting advantage over Novak (and he got it)?

@@vladimirmarkovic4947 And Novak had the advantage of playing against an old and fading Roger. That's why you compare the peaks - and Roger's was better. :)

@@antoniomarine1567 old and fading at 30 years old? Losing to asthmatic kid more and more often at 27? Maybe you have overestimated your guy.

@@vladimirmarkovic4947 Roger and Novak played against each other for 15 seasons. Novak had a winning H2H for 3 of those - the last three, when Roger was 37, 38, and 39 years old. Maybe you don't know what you're talking about?

Sure, but the actual revealing numbers don't lie www.youtube.com/@goatkovic/videos

His main rivals were there : Gaston Gaudio, RodDick, Hewitt with 5 GS together 🙂

2004-2007 was the most pathetic era though. The competition was trash.

It was a time of establishing who was who in men's tennis. Rafa and Federer both stepped up. But against someone who's won 22 grandslams in those years he won 11 grandslams whereas Rafa couldn't dominate yet. So he proved he was a cut above in this years.

Not as pathetic as 2018-2023. Federer already 37 years old and after knee surgery/injury; Nadal past prime; Wawrinka, Del Potro and Murray injured. Other guys were still losing to old Federer and mid-30s Nadal and Djokovic. Those 3 guys would have beaten all the next gen.@@Blaisem

Go sleep little girl

lol only Federer has weak era in 2004-2007? Should I mention recent weak era since 2020 and finals opponent that Djokovic faced recently?

Styles aside, and ones preference, the numbers determine the best off all time. In all important categories, Novak is the undisputed greatest ever.

so why even play then?

Tennis is more than only about GS.

@@jeroenvermunt862 typical answer when the stats are not favoured..this is Sports not MR Popular which Fedsqaush was sold to armchair tennis players to sell lots of running shoes and watches..marketing machine sold those naive spectators..Maybe fed should enter a beauty contest

@@jeroenvermunt862 Federer fans were saying something completely different back in 2007 and 2008. They were claiming that H2H records were irrelevant and grand slams was the most important measurement.

When you consider the fact that literally millions of tennis players have come and gone over the years with no success and they’re top 99.99% percentile, you start to criticize them a bit less. Food for thought.

Are you serious? Nalbandian defeated Federer, Djokovic AND Nadal in the same tournament.

@@westonmeyer3110 One Tournament rarely makes for a legend.

@TvRF Nalbandian prevented Nalbandian from becoming an all time great. If if if doesnt make you a legend.

@@westonmeyer3110 He had high moments in his career, but that doesn't make him all time great lol...

You literally contradict yourself lol 😂 the irony my goodness

@@dewman7477 how high one should be to see a contradiction here?

Weakest era players( year 2013 till date) raonic, anderson, dimitrov, ferrer, tsonga, monfils, berretini, berdyc, medvedev, zverev, shapolov, theim, tsitsipas, simon, gasquet , old federer- djoker and claydal beat to win slams. For their talent, these 2 can win only max 3-4 slams each

And Gasto Gauidio 🙂

@@mahalakshmid8613 you forgot 2 more names in that "weak" era, Nadal and now Alcaraz, every single one of them lost to the true GOAT, Djokovic.

Agassi was old at 33/34 years old and Nadal was too young in 2004-2007 yet somehow Federer was not old in 33/34 to justify the difficulty of Novak wins against Federer in Wimbledon finals and Alcaraz somehow Djokovic beating 20 year old Alcaraz is somehow strong lol 😂 the hypocrisy here

And now Novak goes down more and more. And in few years everyone will say that Alcaraz is the goat.

@@danielhkhk7283 That comment didnt age well. 24-20. Wont bring up the other numbers. Alcaraz? Hes got a shot to be up there when all is said and done, he just needs to get better at pacing himself against the top players and stay healthy.

@@cbdynanever say never people didn’t think Sampras or Federer could be overtaken so no arrogance

@@dewman7477 Thanks for injecting a stawman and taking this conversation from reality into fantasyland. My comment had absolutley zero to do with whether or not someone eventually overtakes joker and perhaps you should direct the arrogance suggestion to the OP. Thanks.

ok but he didnt

Lol 😂 Agassi was old in 2004-2006 at 33/34 years old yet somehow it’s strong when Djokovic peak form beat 33/34 year old Federer at Wimbledon finals and at us open lol 😂 anything to justify Djokovic wins but not Federer. Even beating 20 year old Alcaraz is somehow stronger than Federer beating 20-21 year old Nadal who was better player than Alcaraz at the same age in terms of accomplishments and peak ability on clay and grass. The hypocrisy is unreal here

@@dewman7477 Uhh no, you're cherry picking quite a bit. Djokovic beat Federer when he was 26 at the Australian Open in 2008, when he was 29 at the 2010 US Open and 2011 Australian Open, and 30 year old Federer at the 2011 US Open. In other words, Djokovic was beating prime Federer, long before he was 33/34. Also ,Federer still won 3 grand slams AFTER turning 33. Pete Sampras stopped playing when he was 31 and Agassi's last slam win was when he was 32. Hence Federer after 33 was a MUCH better player than both Sampras and Agassi. There's no hypocracy at all. You're just cherry picking and leaving out A LOT of context.

@@rebelranger Agassi was a top 10 player in 2003-2005 and he won AO 2003 and made us open final 2005 and QF 2004 against prime Federer but somehow that’s weak competition a guy that won 8 slams in his career and many titles. Lol 😂 the hypocrisy to call 2003-2005 Agassi old but 2014-2020 Federer strong to justify Djokovic wins against Federer at Wimbledon finals but not Federer wins against Agassi at us open lol 😂 sure Djokovic beat prime Federer in 2008 and 2011 however my point is that Djokovic never faced peak or prime Federer at Wimbledon it’s same as Agassi facing 2004 and 2005 Federer at us open when they never met in Agassi prime at us open same logic. Lol 😂 Is Nadal 2005-2007 stronger than Alcaraz today? Absolutely it’s not debatable especially on clay and even on grass since peak Federer that Nadal had to go through at Wimbledon is more competitive than Alcaraz beating 36 year old Djokovic in Wimbledon final where we all know peak 20s Federer is better than mid 30s Djokovic at Wimbledon competition wise. The hypocrisy is to call 33-34 year old Agassi in 2004 and 2005 us open weak but not Federer in Wimbledon finals at the same age even 38 year old Federer in 2019 lol 😂 the logic contradicts everything Novak gets credit for beating Federer aged 33-38 in Wimbledon finals but Federer no credit for beating 33-34 year old top 10 and 8 grand slam winner Agassi at us open. Djokovic somehow gets credit for beating 20 year old Alcaraz at RG but somehow Federer gets no credit for beating Nadal at Wimbledon final 2006 and 2007 at the same age lol 😂 the hypocrisy here is unbelievable. Even the next gen like tsitsipas and medvedev and zverev gets more respect than prime Roddick and Safin where both those guys achieved more in their career than any of the next gen. The irony lol 😂 Weak era somehow only applies to Federer in 2004-2007 but not to Djokovic in 2018-2023 even 2015-2016 with worst version of Nadal and older out of prime Federer is significantly weaker than golden era 2008-2013

@@dewman7477 Also, it's not hypocritical to call 2014-2020 Federer a better player than 2003-2005 Agassi. It's fact. After Agassi won the 2003 AO, which was before his 33rd birthday mind you and was early in the season before Federer had even won his first grand slam title, he only reached one grand slam final in 9 grand slam appearances, and didn't win another slam. Federer from 2014-2020 reached 7 grand slam finals including winning 3 grand slams. That's more grand slam finals in the latter stages of his career than Jim Courier reached in his entire career, and only 1 less grand slam title. In other words, Federer was still an all-time great in his later years alone. Agassi at best was just a top 10 player. Nadal also wasn't the same player from 2004-2007 as he was from 2008-2013. Nadal was just a rookie in 2004 and from 2005-2007 he was only winning the French Open on clay. He hadn't yet proven himself on hard and grass courts. Sure, going 5 sets at the Wimbledon finals in 2007 was good, but Andy Roddick also took Federer to 5 sets in the 2009 Wimbledon finals, and Roddick only won 1 grand slam his entire career.

Novak Djocovid the clown 😀😂

Federer's prime time is unbeatable except on clay against rafa. Anyway l can't see any djokovic exception.

@@rogerfederer1865 if you ask federer fans Federer peaked for 3 years and that is it, since 2011 he cant be compared to Djokovic who has peaked for 12 years unlike federer.

⁠@@miloraddjurdjic1695 Djokovic also currently has weak era since 2020 like Federer 2004-2007. Djokovic is not even peaking he’s just benefitting from less competition than 10 years ago

@@dewman7477 weak era since 2020 while having nadal,medvedev, saint Alcaraz, new god Sinner but it is not weakest era when alcaraz or others win, it is only the weakest when Djokovic win. Either Djokovic and Nadal are in the weakest era (which proves that Djokovic dominated Nadal) or it is now normal era while the weakest was when Federer peaked in 2004-2007, btw Federer also peaked in 2017 when Djokovic had surgery

Federer is so much greater than both nadal and djoker combined. To be very honest and very logical, prime federer is greater than nadal+djoker+sampras+agassi+borg+connors+lendl+becker+edberg+laver+mcenroe+all other players of past,present and far future

@@mahalakshmid8613 Federer isn't better than Borg or Laver!