Whoops! There actually is one VGC placement for Electivire. Jon Hu placed 5th in the Collinsville Regionals with it. His team also had Pikachu! Major Apologies! trainertower.com/vgc-17-collinsville-regionals/
Ah Electivire. I was one of those noob kids during Diamond and Pearl that read its OU Smogon page and was caught by the allure of its bonkers coverage and it holds the distinction of being one of the few Pokemon I bothered to breed proper moves onto in Gen 4. At the time however, I didn't realize OU had nothing to do with the catridge and that there was an online ladder so fortunately I didn't humiliate myself too much. Electivire, while terrible, will always hold a place in my heart for marking one of my firsts steps in properly understanding competitive Pokemon.
@@rabbitguy9176 If it had more physical defense, maybe Drain Punch or Close Combat, it would have a fighting chance. I lowkey wish Electivire would be Electric/Fighting. Look at those manly arms.
Better yet, if you want to make him jump STRAIGHT to OU/UUBL or possibly even Ubers (which is doubtable lmfao) give him an ability that gives all punching moves priority, it’ll take full advantage of its punching attacks! I don’t think he’ll be Ubers with that because he lacks a good boosting move, and to be in the OU metagame, having a great 123 attack isn’t as impressive unless you’re banded. A metagame where Pokémon are gradually becoming stronger than previous generations, this is why it could be hard for Electivire to find his place easily; however, priority oriented punches allows you to not stress about out speeding your opponent too much since there’s a 95% you’ll always go first, thus you can confidently go for Adamant nature and invest in a offensive bulky set to compensate for the above average defenses by investing defensive EV’s, and STILL confidently will outspeed your opponent most-likely. This ability could either be called _”Lightning Fists”_ or _”Flash Fists”_
fun fact: In gen 6, there was a short lived FU metagame (the prequel to ZU, fuctioning as a tier below PU). In this metagame Electabuzz was the face of the entire tier, it was very fast for the tier, pretty bulky with eviolite, and had amazing coverage which made it the easiest pokemon to fit on a team. It also had very little competition as an electric type. While it might not have been the most powerful pokemon in the tier, fraxture probably took that title, it had something like 60% usage if my mind serves me correctly. That tier was hella fun, i miss it
Okay, so we got our Yin, Electabuzz/Electivire all charged up for this show. Can we now have our Yang, Magmar/Magmortar all fired up for the next show?
It fails for the exact same reason Luxray (an extremely similar pokemon) fails; identity crisis over physical/special attack when you want to go one or the other really, not enough speed (95 versus 105 makes an ENORMOUS difference competitively), and physical electric attacks fucking suck. seriously, why does Wild charge recoil when thunderbolt doesn't recoil, has the exact same amount of damage, and has a slight paralyze chance (on top of not making contact)? Not fair.
I know right? Wild charge NEEDS a to be buffed in generation 9! Maybe to 120 like with megahorn? I’m not too well versed in comp. Pokémon so I really don’t know.
i hate the amount of pokemon that have like 100 spatk/atk and then have like 80 of the other atk, which means every other stat is lower. it's so annoying omfg
@@magk2524 Depending on the moves it knows it's such a waste or bad temptation to use the lower stat which, usually won't work out well without a life orb or something.
The decision to drop Electivire’s base speed from evolving, and giving it motor drive to compensate, was honestly pretty stupid. Electivire could have been damn good if it just kept the 105 base speed and had ANY decent ability... EDIT: Damnit someone already pointed this out.
sephondranzer 95 speed isn’t THAT bad, it’s main problem is that its defense is so GARBAGE that all you need to kill it would be a somewhat sharp broomstick.
Leavanny The Cute Mantis That’s what I’m saying; though Electivire’s speed is fairly average (95 still out speeds plenty of Pokémon), the real issue is something it shares with Luxray, rather shallow movepools (or rather “movepuddles”) that don’t have good STAB moves nor very strong moves. As well as defenses that would make human skin laugh hysterically.
How good was Magmar/Magmortar actually? if you did Electabuzz/Electivire, you might as well do the fire counterpart too, even if they aren't much better then their counterpart also, Aggron and Roserade can wait the week after next week and the patreon pick and Poor Electivire, i feel sorry for it (tho i like Magmortar more)
They are made for single player where they are excellent. They learn many high PP medium power moves and their coverage is great. They also are fast, strong and bulky enough to defeats hoardes of weak enemies. This is especially so because they learn flamethrower and thunderbolt quite early. A lot of fire and electric types don';t learn those moves at all.
Electivire was just a sad case of having 20 or so atk less than he needed. I used him a ton when I started playing competitive in 4th. His coverage was phenomenal, but he just had trouble putting things down regardless.
Everyone is talking about The Magby line but I just wanna see that purple one with the big lips So, basically, Jynx. Please? Also Persian, I guess. Please give us the catto.
Jynx without a doubt deserves an episode as she along with Golem are the last of the OU tier in Gen 1! I really want Persian as it is my favorite Pokemon and even though it may suck, it still has some uses if you ask me! Hopefully all these Pokemon get episodes soon :-)!
if it literally just got agility/swords dance it'd be great. It's stats aren't really the problem, it's it's set up move pool. Only being able to boost attack by one stage is not gonna cut it. He doesn't hit like a wet noodle but he doesn't hit like a freight train, that's the problem here.
@@LG-ii7gl when you have pokemon who aren't even pseudo legenday out speeding and out damaging electivire states are a problem yeah it can have a bigger move pool but how far can that alone help he had terrible states limit moves and tricks and finally the nail in the coffin was better pokemon came in to play with more of the former examples
Because it amuses me to keep track of this, here are the Gen 1 Pokemon who have yet to have a video: Beedrill/Mega Beedrill Butterfree Raticate/Alolan Raticate Pidgeot/Mega Pidgeot Fearow Farfetch'd Dodrio Persian/Alolan Persian Golem/Alolan Golem Sandslash/Alolan Sandslash Alolan Raichu Parasect Venomoth Scyther Pinsir/Mega Pinsir Dewgong Jynx Golduck Seaking Kingler Magmar/Magmortar Rapidash Arbok Nidoqueen Primeape Hitmonchan Hitmonlee Mr. Mime Lickitung/Lickilicky Victreebel Vileplume Muk/Alolan Muk Weezing Electrode Ditto Omastar Kabutops Hypno
moonjelly5 also, here's a list of gen 1 pokes I've seen more than 1 comment asking for(near past and present) Magmar Persain Jinx Weezing Muk Ditto Golem Kabutops Our Lord Helix / Omastar Pinsir Butterfree Bedrill Fearow Kingler Sandslash Golduck
I totally want to see someone try Electivire against Mega Aggron, the Pokémon where "It's super effective!" really doesn't mean much on the physical side.
Electivire is definitely one of the most well-designed Pokemon of all time. Honestly all it needs are for some points from its Sp. Atk to be put into Speed and Defense, and for it to get an ability like Intimidate, Galvanize, Gorilla Tactics, Sheer Force, or Volt Absorb, or even Teravolt if you want to go that far.
It really needs a bit more than that. It needs the speed boost, swords dance, Volt Tackle and Rock Head. Yeah, I know you think Rock Head is crazy but with electric being one of the best attacking types in the game, a pokemon with a spammable 120 move of that type with no downside would be great. It would find a niche some where with that and a choice scarf/band
Given how they've headlined both Baby forms and new evolutions in the past, I'm surprised Magmortar and Electivire didn't continue that trend and receive Mega Evolutions. Deep six both of Mewtwo's forms (or give it and Charizard one form each) and replace them with these, and the Mag/Elec duo would finally be as powerful as that Blaine battle and status as Paul's ace (respectively) would suggest.
Stat redistribution: Hp: 65 Attack: 130 Defense: 61 Sp. Atk: 105 Sp. Def: 61 Speed: 116 New typing: Electric/Fighting Signature ability: at first i thought of giving him a combination of Motor Drive and Lightning Rod, but realized it would be too OP, so: Fighting Spirit: this pokémon's physical Electric type moves gain a secondary Fighting type effectiveness and the STAB multiplier becomes 1.75x instead of 1.5x
HP : 71 Attack : 123 Defense : 61 Sp. Attack : 118 Sp. Defence : 61 Speed : 106 New Typing : Electric/Fighting New Ability : Electric Surge/Transistor Mine is more balanced and remains true to it's lore and history.
How GOOD were Magmar & Magmortar ACTUALLY? As an Electric-type fan, who loves Electivire's design, this video hurts me on so many levels. I remember when I was younger during the 4th Gen, the lenghts I went to have a good IV Electivire with the right moveset on my team, I even used that Electivire that Battle Revolution gave us. And now, it's not an option even in my monoelectric team. :') I wish the poor guy gets a buff somehow, but I'm not holding my breath.
The realistic things they can do to buff it are: -Give it the Iron Fist ability -Either buff Wild Charge, distribute Volt Tackle and Zing Zap or just make better physical Electric-type moves -And expand its movepool with Bulk Up, Knock Off, Power-Up Punch (back), Drain Punch and Superpower And even then, none of that sounds impressive and it needs Speed Boost ability and 105 speed more than anything, even the most realistic possibilities that i listed above, and not even the 2 wishful thinkings i listed are unlikely
He may be bad in the competitive territory, but I have mad respect and I like this Pokémon so much, he was pretty much announced and talked about in every Gen 4 related media with Magmortar and other evos, and I always thought he was a very powerful beast. And I mean, *he is* but, of course, the competitive territory depends a lot on speed and type advantages, plus tanking out attacks with the slow Pokémon, so it's not surprising for me seeing him this low, it's sadly however. Also, is a bit unrelated, but I like its shiny a lot. That orange goes well with the blue accents!
I caught my first electrivre today and I'm excited. It level up medium fast, and has good attack. Kind of want to get giga impact on it before facing red.
that actually surprised me considering it's super effective coverage. But you have to look it at practice. It doesn't kill anything, it's mindblowing. Physical Electric Types are just garbage with very few exceptions: Zekrom, Togedemaru and Zeraora (minus anything from SwSh because I stopped playing since those games came out.)
Really sucks that my favorite electric type line of Pokémon are the worst ones. But hey, at least Electabuzz has eviolite, not to mention a pretty awesome mega construx figurine that was paired up with Greninja, so at least he gets some love.
HP : 74 Attack : 123 Defense : 70 Sp. Attack : 110 Sp. Defence : 57 Speed : 106 New Typing : Electric/Fighting New Ability : Electric Surge/Transistor Also need some better moves like close combat, plasma fists, mach punch, vaccum wave. It is more balanced now and remains true to it's lore and history.
It is sad to see that a Pokemon once tipped to become the face of OU and the no 1 electric in OU of the same generation would wind up failing to fulfil its enormous potential due to its crippling flaws and lack of natural pace and drop from OU's next big thing to being stripped of its viability rank in Gen 7 PU and become untiered. Zeraora and Dracozolt as of now have become what Electivire never became, that is being good OU threats due to having more speed (in Zolt's case under Sand), more raw power and actual ways to use their amazing coverage without being easily punished. Electivire, in conclusion, is the Pokemon equivalent of football wonderkid Freddy Adu, who also had a similar backstory of being tipped to be the very best but failed hard.
He just needs a boost in his defence stat and that's really all he needs to be a true beast cause he already kinda is with that really high attack stat he has which can take out a lot of pokemon! and I still think that ability of Motor Drive is really good and useful!
