That’s probably because Hades was seen as one of the more moral gods back in that day, while Persephone had quite a few myths about her terrible anger, like when she turned one of Hades’ almost-mistresses into a mint plant so that she could never return to her river
Persephone means "Bringer of Death" and she had another name, Kore, meaning something along the lines of "innocent maiden," when she was with her [helicopter] mom
in terms of how long they were worshiped she's actually been around longer than him, she's the scary bringer of death while he vibes in the underworld doing a lot of boring paperwork
Zeus: You want to marry your biological niece? Hades: You literally married your sister, and had an affair with your other sister to make Persephone, I don't understand how I'm the creep here.
And, to be fair, it's not like the dating pool among ancient greek gods is that big. If a god wants to marry another god or even an important/heroic mortal, they will probably be related to them in one way or another.
Hades truly is overhated. Personality wise, he's the best of his brothers and the best husband. On top of that, Persephone actually liked being queen of the underworld.
I THINK it has a lot to do with a) Christianity and how their ruler of the underworld is simultaneously the most evil thing that has ever been and b) ... Disneys Hercules.
It's not Hate, it's Fear. Hades ruled the Underworld. A cold and gloomy place. The people called him the Lord of Wealth, for all gems of the earth are His. They speak of Hades, if at all, in reference to his wealth as to speak of Him could draw attention. His and Thanatos were the Last names the common folk would willingly speak. Such is humanity's Fear of death, an easily exploitable fear for Christian missionaries. There were and are priests of each God of Greece yet still. And as before, secretive.
If the pomegranate thing ever seemed weird to you it’s probably because the tablet that the myth was originally recover from is broken where it explains that part so the explanation is just assumed by whoever’s telling the story
@@clarehidalgo I might be wrong, but isnt the theme of “eating food from another realm forcing you to stay in said realm” common BECAUSE of the common *interpretation* of this greek myth?
ALunarLight : i dont think so. Hades and Zeus make a deal so she stays there. She didn’t go back willingly. She ate the seeds and was exposed by Ascalaphus for eating them (which prompted Demeter to turn him into an animal) and so the deal was reached as a result. Persephone was explicitly said to be unhappy, when Hermes comes to rescue her she calls him ‘luck bearing Hermes’ bcs she knew she was finally going home.
Fun fact, when Tantalus served his son to the gods to eat, but Demeter was too upset by the Persephone situation to pay attention so she actually ended up eating some of Tantalus' sholder, so the fact that Hades was going over his punishment here chronologically makes sense
And then when Clotho put him back together, since that piece was missing, she used a piece of ivory. So all the descendants had a white spot on their shoulder.
Tantalus was born way after this story. His great grandchild is Agamenon who lived in the time of the Trojan War so Tantalus is not that ancient. The only way to make sense is to say that Demeter was sad because Persephone was not with her so it was Winter or Autumm, but not during the time of the kidnapping.
Actually Zeus helped kidnap Persephone by covering the clouds, Helios didn't actually see Hades kidnap Persephone but did see the clouds covering up, which led Demeter to Zeus who confessed he helped. He probably was the one who suggested the idea.
The original history completely absolves hades of any fault, mostly because more than a kidnap it was an arranged marriage, something that wasnt bad at the time, so all the blame is on zeus
I’m pretty sure that originally Hades was like “Zeus man I’m struggling there’s this pretty girl I like but I don’t know how to marry her so what should I do?” And Zeus is like “Just kidnap her, it’s not that bad.”
@@mo0nlight_vidsandmore441 Well here's the thing. The vase pictograph for marriage and kidnapping are the same. Plus Zeus is her father. So this is an arranged marriage.
Still gotta say, there relationship is still better than like 80% of the relationships in greek mythology. In some versions persephone is even okay with being queen of erebus. I also like the story where theseus and his friend tried to kidnap and marry persephone and hades lockd them in torture chairs.
Only modern “romanticized” retellings show Persephone being happy about her circumstances, though. There is only one source from antiquity that tells the story of how she became Hades’ wife, and it is very clear she is not happy about it.
@@russergee49 Fair point, but I also like how even in the old versions, it shows more that it was zeus's fault for allowing this marriage and basically giving her away with Persephone and demeter not having any choice. Though that may just be standard for the time, so who knows.
@@BlueflameKing1 In Ancient Greece, marriage was a matter ultimately decided by the bride's father. I imagine any good father would make an effort to match their daughter with someone they like, but in the end it's up to them, and the daughter and mother don't get a say. In The Hymn to Demeter (which you can read for yourself at theoi.com) it is made very clear that Persephone was at no point happy about the arrangement. The story probably reflects a very tragic reality that was common for women in that culture, and for their mothers who were helpless to protect them. That being said, Zeus is the Ancient Greeks' image of an ideal father figure. So I imagine in their minds, the decisions he makes for his children are ultimately going to be the right ones. And it's worth noting that from what we know of the tradition surrounding Persephone, it seems like she ended up embracing her role as Scary Death Queen™
Love how arguably the most healthy married couples in greek mythology is the god of the underworld kidnaping his niece, or double niece I guess since both Zeus and Demeter are his siblings, and keeping her at his side against his will as his wife. Realy speaks to how low the bar is.
people talk about incest and stuffs, and while it is morally wrong to most modern human society, the people in question here are the gods; and i doubt there's any drawback(like biological one for example) for the gods to commit incest with one another. and yeah standard is really weird overall from ancient time to now, the Greek or Roman or somewhere around those country accept homosexuality before accepting women is as equal as men(before Christianity spread that is).
You have to remember that the ancient greeks projected human characteristics on the gods (Homer mentions this.) so actions taken by the gods (like Zeus agreeing to Hades’s proposal) were morally (and in this case legally) right. If you read on ancient greek wedding and proposal traditions it’ll make more sense. Personally i find that for this reason, you should learn ancient greek culture and history with greek mythology. It opens a huge lens to make a perspective out of.
We don't actually know the full terms for why Persephone returns to the underworld regularly, the single surviving source for it is damaged in that part, There's also evidence that Persephone predates Hades(the God not sure about the place)existence, and that she's always had a connection to the afterlife, but oddly her only connection to plants is being the daughter of the goddess of spring and one of her titles being "Persphone the Harvester"(or something similar been awhile since I read that bit so memory might be faulty)
true, a man who has a world named after himself that is full of the souls of damned is a better husband than some lightning wielding sky father who banged half or more of greek's female population
Hades is a good guy tbh, with the exception of the time he kidnapped Persephone, but to be fair, Hades did not know how to do it and asked Zeus, whose advice was to kidnap her.
Yeah, the pomegranate was the only thing that grew in the underworld, and Hades showed it to Persephone when he noticed how unhappy she was becoming being separated from the plants she loved to be around.
Actually, I believe we have no way of knowing that. As the only paper(or wherever it was written in) that was written in was destroyed in the part where we think it said why the pomegranate seeds work like that. Overly sarcastic productions has a video on it, it pretty good, you should totally check it out :))
The thing I like about the Persephone thing is she really gets into her role as Queen of the Underworld. Referred to by some as "Dread Persephone" and immediately the one who comes to mind when someone is getting tormented by Furies in the Underworld.
It's worth noting that Persephone was Zeus's daughter, which he conceived out of spite right after finding out that Demeter had a crush and killing said crush in a temper tantrum So no wonder that after finding her daughter in a similar situation to hers she said "screw Olympus"
@@atarsinghmeena4216 Considering that Demeter is Zeus's full sister and he still assaulted her, I'd say Demeter's crush on her nephew is still a lot more reasonable since she didn't murder or assault anyone because of it. Especially considering most of the Greek gods married or had kids with their siblings, nieces, nephews, or cousins, so it wouldn't have been seen as disturbing within her social circle
@@atarsinghmeena4216basically every god in Greek mythology is biologically related and a lot of them are in relationships so I personally wouldn't set the bar there
To be fair. Hades and Persephone rule the underworld equally. Like that was a part of the agreement. They’re the only couple in Greek mythology that both rules their realm equally.
@@KLPatel-it7lr .... yeah. They could all shapeshift and turn into different animals and stuff. There's even some weird stories where he turns into an animal and then cheats on Hera... with a person? Like Helen of Troy was conceived by a mortal woman who got raped by Zeus while Zeus was in the form of a swan. Then the human woman laid an egg, I guess because Zeus was a bird? And then a human comes out of the egg and becomes the most beautiful woman alive?
@@CM-ss5pe It's pretty much the worst thing he could have done to the goddess of faithfulness in marriage. Trick her into marrying him when she didn't want to, then cheat on her with literally everyone.
Something people keep forgetting to mention which may be an important part of this story: Hades is extremely rich. The Underworld is the place where all the gold and jewels come from after all.
Hello, I am from Greece and I wanted to say great job on the video! I want to say thank you for making this and showing of some of our culture. It is intriguing to me how you portray greek myths and culture so accurately and in a fun way. I kind of wanted to end it all when i saw Disney's Hercules for the first time
I mean...there are so many different versions of the myths that accuracy doesn't...really exist. It's just however people want to tell it, no wrong answers. So this dude's video is correct, and Disney's version is correct, and hadestown is correct. Because they're myths and that's not the point
3:38 Hades:AHAH! I snuck some pomegranate seeds in your mouth! Demeter:Ok sweetie how the FRICK did you not taste it?! Persephone:Because i’m so emo i can’t taste anything
To be fair Persephone was always called by Greeks as dread Persephone unless she was outside the underworld than she was Korre. Also name Persephone literally means Bringer Of Destruction
can we just appreciate persephone's instagram posts are her just standing at different angles with boba. just *chef's kiss* such a fun video i love the little details :))
In some stories Persephone and Hades were truly in love and Persephone came up with the excuse of eating the seeds from Underworld pomegranate which is why she has to return to her husband, cause she doesn't want to live with her overbearing helicopter mom who treats her as a child rather than the grownup woman she is.
That interpretation is not based on any Ancient Greek sources. I just posted another video where I talk about this very subject, among other stuff, if you wanna check that out.
@@JakeDoubleyoo i saw a version where Hades doesn't feed Persephone the pomegranate seeds, instead when she goes back up to Olympus, she lies about eating the pomegranate seeds, and when she does return she eats the pomegranate seeds.
@@SeBa-xb3jn that’s inaccurate, and likely based on a modern retelling. In no original story does she actively choose to be with Hades. She was kidnapped
Been looking for something with the same chaotic overlay sarcastic productions energy for a hot minute now. The recommendations gods have blessed me this day
dude... have you ever seen greek gods? cause like... most of them are related.... So if you think we should talk about that, then we can start at the begining, when Gaia married her child and go from there.
You literally need a FBI and CIA modern equipment to find greek god couple that isn't incest as all hell. With Zeus marrying his actual sister, who came from same mother and father, through actual sex and birth and not "willed into existance" at same time. And then there is ridiculous amount of sexual assaults in the myths. Zeus, Poseidon, Apollo, Heracles, Dionysus, heck even Hermes. All of them commiting explicit acts of sexual assault. Many mythologies are crazy, but greek ones take the nasty cake
Bro, Heracles is both grandson and half brother of Perseus, and after becoming a God and marring Hebe, Zeus become His father in law besides being his biological father.
Goth girlfriend is pretty accurate considering her name literally means Bringer of Death. Persephone is actually implied the scarier of the two in Greek myth. Her name even predated Hades in (known) Mycenaean records.
Maybe at some point in the future you could do a video about all of the really old gods like Chaos, Nyx, Gaea, Tartarus, and all the other primordial gods and goddesses?
There's not much to say unfortunately, they're just kinda there and/or spawning monsters every which way but there's very few to no stories about them directly
I just found this channel by chance and it's great, all these character designs are so cute and the story's are great. I always loved about mythology, the fact that there are so many retellings of every tale, so when I listened to the mythology books by Stephen fry (those are also awesome btw) the story's all go a little different which in turn, makes your videos more enjoyable because I don't already know ever version there is.
Side note Zeus was the one who suggested the kidnapping and helped lure Persephone Intuit so Hades was like hey I want to court your daughter what should I do Zeus was like kidnap her Hades was like well you're married so you must know what you're talking about
We cant of course forget the instances where Hades abducted several nymphs and locked them in his basement. Leuce was alright with this apparently and when she died she became a poplar leaf. And when Minthe and Hades banging, Persephone turned her into mint. These events may or may not be related to when Persephone and Aphrodite groomed Adonis from birth to be a boytoy they traded throughout the year.
3:53 I’m not completely sure but wasn’t the myth that hestia suggested that because Persephone ate only 3/4 of the pomegranate so she could spend a third of every year in the underworld
@@sarahweekes4829 idk if you are joking or not but if you are not then read Greek mythology please Just read percu Jackson and the Greek gods it's explained in there
@@asphaltman1819 i do read greek mythology, she is literally more feared than hades. look it up. she is also known as dread queen. she is both. and i dont even like percy jackson i read the first book in middle school
@@asphaltman1819 I don't think she's thw goddess of spring, she's the goddess of the Underworld through marriage it's her mother who brings spring when she returns
There are a lot of versions of the story though. Personally, I prefer the more romantic one where she willingly ate the seeds so she wouldn't be forced to leave Hades forever. But everyone has a version they prefer and that's fine. None of it changes the fact that they have the most stable relationship in all Greek myth.
Looks like I heard a different version of this story. In that version, only the Demeter chase scene was different though, so no worries. Just another character was missing.
Hades doesnt like playing around much like other so him as a husband is pretty great, he also have like this massive domain and employ hundred of god, think of it as married a rich dude. And he also have a dog named spot.
@@RainbowCornet well, the word rape is generally used in the title, while he actually never did. And why I think he's the best is because, he treats her right
The land of the dead wasn't seen as a bad place, it was just where the dead went. Also you left out that Hades was minding his own business when Aphrodite sent Eros to shoot one of his arrows at Hades to set him up with Persephone.
Heh, I'm sure someone mentioned it, but I like how in the version of the story done in the video game "Hades", Persephone just made up the BS about the pomegranate so she'd have an excuse to return to the Underworld regularly.
It's possible, but no one knows for sure--apparently, the part of the original source where the pomegranate thing is actually explained is _torn_ so we may never know the true reason.
It’s possible that it’s symbolic of accepting hospitality, from what I’ve heard. The reason she has to stay as Hades wife is because she ate food in his home, as a guest, which means she accepted his hospitality and that’s why she can no longer permanently sever herself from him.
I loved it, but Everyone knows this one already. Next, tell the one about how Uranus's balls turned into Aphrodite... Or about how Odin used his grandfather's corpse, bones, hair, brains, flesh to create the world and the skies.
