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How Heavy was Biblical Goliath's Armor? Shekel Weight Explained. 

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@Simon-1965
@Simon-1965 3 года назад
I was with this until you said BCE, if you take from the bible you should know that it's BC.
@jacksonguillory8114
@jacksonguillory8114 3 года назад
As a christian, im sure god honestly wouldnt care. I:(
@kevinhofer4922
@kevinhofer4922 3 года назад
@@jacksonguillory8114 That’s because ur a lukewarm Christian
@lukewarmwater6412
@lukewarmwater6412 3 года назад
dont be dumb.
@paytons6767
@paytons6767 3 года назад
@@jacksonguillory8114 I believe you should give Jesus his respect.... or if you're okay with taking him out of every part of society little by little. BC is just another way to show Jesus divinity, power in history and a seldom way to evangelise Christ.
@ChristianAuditore14
@ChristianAuditore14 2 года назад
Anyone who uses ce is dead to me
@BigDaddy-fx4nx
@BigDaddy-fx4nx 3 года назад
Some people who didn't serve did not believe that in basic I walked 20 miles with over 100 pounds on my back, M16, steel pot and other stuff. Of course my knees are shot and so many other infantry guys now have back and knee problems.
@christophercombs5977
@christophercombs5977 2 года назад
And that's just the "coat of mail", not including his greaves and a brass target between his back.
@KentPetersonmoney
@KentPetersonmoney 3 года назад
Lifting 100lbs for 9 miles dose seem kind of unrealistic but I'm sure it's possible, just not for the average Joe.
@Delgen1951
@Delgen1951 3 года назад
No it is possible, The troops often carried between 80 and 100 pounds of gear in combat. a M2 Browning Machine Gun weighs 100 pounds empty, and is carried by one man, the tri pod is 80 pounds and is carried by one man, and this does not include his perisomal weapon and its ammo. So yeah it about right.
@Openreality
@Openreality 6 месяцев назад
He was 11' tall. Using the royal Egyptian cubit, Goliath was 11' tall. Also the weight is much more than that. Stop devaluing the Bible. This was a Nephlim, who probably had twice the size scale for everything.
@lornevirgin410
@lornevirgin410 3 года назад
From memory, it was the weight of the spearhead not the whole spear. By your logic, if Goliaths armor was twice the weight of "regular" armor then it would be the equivalent of a 300 to 400 pound loadout for a Marine. If the bible says he was a giant then he was a giant. Not just an abnormally large man, a fee fie foe fum giant. We need to stop watering down the Word.
@JoeBack
@JoeBack 3 года назад
Hi Lorne, you are correct to mention that the 600 shekel weight of the spear was the weight of the spear head. I mention this at 4:13 of the video, but just referred to it as a spear for the rest of the video. Sorry if that caused confusion. In regards to your claim that I am "watering down the Word," I would disagree. The weight of a shekel being 20 gera is mentioned explicitly in scripture (Exodus 30:13). There have been many examples of shekel weights found in the archaeology of Israel. The earlier Judean shekel weights, which date from about 200 years after David, roughly conform to the measurements given in Exodus 30:13. That would indicate continuity in the measurements for the Biblical period from the time of Moses, until the 8th century BCE. It would seem to me, that this measurement of shekel would be the one the used in the book of Samuel. As mentioned in the video, the earlier weight of the Judean shekel was also attested to by medieval Jewish scholarship as well. My conclusions are based on actual verses in scripture, and the knowledge we have about these measurements from the archaeological record. The weights of other examples of Goliath's armor type from the iron age weighed between 16.8 kgs. - 26.3 kgs. The weight of Goliath's armor mentioned in the video are approximately double the weight given for these armors. Check out the bibliography in the description: Reconsidering Goliath: An Iron Age I Philistine Chariot Warrior, pg. 6. I don't rule out a Goliath that stood around nine feet tall. I am just sharing with the world that the weight of his kit can be confirmed scientifically. All the best.
@ChristianAuditore14
@ChristianAuditore14 2 года назад
He was just a large man lmao the Israelites were small
@joehelland1635
@joehelland1635 3 года назад
When I was in the army, (07-14) my armor weight was around 120 lbs (including helmet and ammo. Large plates, XL Helmet) When I flew into Afghanistan my armor, body weight, and carry bags clocked in at 550 lbs, my PT weight was 220 lbs. and I am 6'2".
@JoeBack
@JoeBack 3 года назад
That's a crazy amount of weight!
@bobbyduke777
@bobbyduke777 3 года назад
I watched a guy tall a bunch of mush brained college kids Goliath was 6 ft tall and blind as a bat, like an army would be afraid of that.
@brucedent5402
@brucedent5402 3 года назад
Goliath stood between 9'6 to 9'9" so he was almost 10'.
@RCSTILE
@RCSTILE 3 года назад
But BCE is politically correct, but what is the Common Era
@gunnerwalker8092
@gunnerwalker8092 3 года назад
Screw political correctness. Most people are not politicians
@deusx.machinaanime.3072
@deusx.machinaanime.3072 3 года назад
US Marines should start hiring Squires to carry stuff around. Just a thought. 😜😎😳😷 ...while wearing a face mask in battle.
@mugsymegaton3769
@mugsymegaton3769 3 года назад
bce my eye, goodbye.
@rduse4125
@rduse4125 3 года назад
It’s BC for heaven’s sake. What separates the common era from before it? What happened 2021 years ago?
@JoeBack
@JoeBack 3 года назад
I don't know, but definitely not Jesus's birth. If you want Herod to have been involved in the story Jesus would have to have been born before 4 BCE, that's date which Herod died.
@rduse4125
@rduse4125 3 года назад
@@JoeBack - Listen, this isn’t a knock on the presenter, nor a blatant endorsement of Christianity...I’m just sick to death of watching out culture being stolen from us. - For 2,000 years it was BC (before Christ), suddenly someone just decided to pull the ol’ switcheroo, and convince everyone that it was the common era AND ITS JUST NOT. There are only two sexes, men and women get married, and it’s BC and AD. - I really don’t care how people identify, but in my world there are men and women. - I approve of civil unions, but marriage is different. Why is it still “AD”? Or has that changed too. I’m not really speaking from a Christian standpoint. But please tell me what event divides the “common era” from the “previous era”?????
@hemi5.7awdpursuit5
@hemi5.7awdpursuit5 3 года назад
Goliath had early super hero armor ahead of his time
@Delgen1951
@Delgen1951 3 года назад
Not really. Armor is not as encumbering as people think.
@brianwinters5434
@brianwinters5434 3 года назад
Chain mail used in the middle ages for 5 ft 5 inch men weighed over 45 lbs
@JT-xe7yi
@JT-xe7yi 3 года назад
Carry 150 lbs and fighting on the battle field with a 12 lb spear is not the same pal.
@flashthompson7
@flashthompson7 2 года назад
Wicked fun I appreciate the breakdown
@johnfaulk7775
@johnfaulk7775 3 года назад
Armor however, is not a ruck sack. It is fitted to the body so that it can move freely in all matters of combat.
@JoeBack
@JoeBack 3 года назад
Very true, so it most like felt lighter than what USMC have had to deal with.
@gusjeazer
@gusjeazer 3 года назад
That armor was worn during melee combat. You can't compare it to what a soldier caries on a march, or what he carries in modern ranged combat.
@brandengillette7794
@brandengillette7794 3 года назад
Can you do the weight of Goliath sword? Because ultimately that's what killed Goliath not a stone. The stone knocked him out but David drew Goliath's sword and cut off his head.
@JoeBack
@JoeBack 3 года назад
Hi Branden, Thanks for the suggestion. I would love to, but unfortunately we don't have any data as to what the sword's dimensions were. Any guessing on my part would be speculation.
@brandengillette7794
@brandengillette7794 3 года назад
@@JoeBack that's ok I was wrong anyway the stone did kill him
@gusjeazer
@gusjeazer 3 года назад
David used Goliaths sword when he was still an adolescent. So it was light enough to be swung by david.
@timsager6153
@timsager6153 3 года назад
HIs sword was found alongside the ark by Ron Wyatt. We will see it one day when the time is right
@colt4531
@colt4531 3 года назад
@@gusjeazer wrong, David was an adult, not an adolescent, the fact he used Goliaths sword proves he was a full grown man, maybe around the age of 20, also David was offered to wear king Solomons armor, it is mentioned then that Solomon was one of the Tallest Jews of that time, proving David not to be some little child. The fact Solomon was terrified of Goliath proves Goliath was a large warrior, I doubt a child could decapitate him, let alone a regular sized man.
@thenudo
@thenudo 2 года назад
I think I got everything but how heavy Goliaths armor weight!
@JoeBack
@JoeBack 2 года назад
Thank you for your comment. If you check the video at 4:34 seconds the range of weight is given there.
@bobbyduke777
@bobbyduke777 3 года назад
but they don't expect the same of women
@daveberry5901
@daveberry5901 3 года назад
My name is David, it has always been so. . . Words of a college educated man. . .Goliath was hit in the Left Eye, not his forehead, as the movies portray. . .He was never getting back up, and was buried under a pile of earth. . .His sword, is with the Ark of the Covenant, under Golgotha. . .It was that much a treasure of the Lord it was keep safe even unto today, and you will see it soon. . . . . . .
@keepthechange2811
@keepthechange2811 3 года назад
Good info. But why you say left eye?
@daveberry5901
@daveberry5901 3 года назад
@@keepthechange2811 I said the left eye because that is where he was hit, and my friend, please think in a personal term with this. . .If you, yourself were about to get your head cut off, would you if you had anything, any thought with with any amount of pain, still get out of the way??? This was directly in the left eye, and fricken hard too. . . all I can say
@keepthechange2811
@keepthechange2811 3 года назад
@@daveberry5901 Oh. Thought you had a source or had heard it from somewhere. The bible is pretty specific about him getting hit in the forehead. And pain or not if you're knocked out you're knocked out. Possibly with a crashed frontal lobe
@daveberry5901
@daveberry5901 3 года назад
@@keepthechange2811 The left eye is in the forehead dude. . .This isn't like I say left leg when the Bible may say right hand. . .The Eye, is in the Forehead. . .
@keepthechange2811
@keepthechange2811 3 года назад
@@daveberry5901 I'm afraid that's not accurate. Forehead sits positioned above the eyes and nose. For the forehead to mean "eye" at all youd have to be referring to the third eye in the abstract. But you're clearly insisting that forehead means left eye. Furthermore the ark is at Jeremiaha grotto along with the other first temple artifacts.
@jonDoe-ml3jq
@jonDoe-ml3jq 3 года назад
I use to carry that much weight in high school
@carlthornton3076
@carlthornton3076 3 года назад
Very Good!
@williamgardner7701
@williamgardner7701 3 года назад
Excellent discussion!
@VPCreative
@VPCreative 3 года назад
Another great film! Entertaining and informative! Thank you!
@JoeBack
@JoeBack 3 года назад
Thanks
@patrickmcdonald8513
@patrickmcdonald8513 3 года назад
Sounds like you did good work. Was expecting the big dude's armor to be heavier.
@JoeBack
@JoeBack 3 года назад
Thank you!
@georgeford6056
@georgeford6056 3 года назад
Well, he didn't include the weight of the helmet or greaves in the calculation, so you could probably give it another 30+ pounds.
@IamMe10-4
@IamMe10-4 3 года назад
At 9.5 feet tall that was an insane weight for the armor of the time considering it was designed to be light.
@colt4531
@colt4531 3 года назад
So the fact his spear Head just wheighs about 16 lbs, doesn't matter to you? That's ridiculously heavy for a spear.
@JoeBack
@JoeBack 3 года назад
I would agree that Goliath was definitely a strong guy.
@raygsbrelcik5578
@raygsbrelcik5578 3 года назад
All you're trying to DO is belittle, and downplay the Truth of the Biblical accounts. I suppose the Next preposturous opinion is going to be, "Yeh, the Israelites didn't REALLY mean they felt like "Grass- hoppers..They simply felt shorter." Of COURSE!! These "Giants" were just 6'5"---7'. Whotta' bunch of BALONEY!! You atheists just don't GET IT!
@Delgen1951
@Delgen1951 3 года назад
Dud in the modern world I work retail and see people from Mexico and central America come in to my store every day, and adult men and women that stand only 4 and half to 5 feet tall that must think they are in the land of the Giants when they look at me (i am 5 foot 8 inches tall) or any of the cashers as giants as we all stand head and shoulders taller. So someone eight foot all would be a giant to us.
@raygsbrelcik5578
@raygsbrelcik5578 3 года назад
@@Delgen1951 Brother, I doubt VERY much that those "Shorter" people feel like..."GRASSHOPPERS" by com- parison. Besides, there is a HUGE ( see what I did there?) amount of Evidence supporting the existence of Giants in the distant past. In Fact, scientists even agree that be- cause the Air was so FRESH and Heavy with Clean mois- ture...Things grew Bigger. Makes sense to me. But the Giants I refer to were NOT from this Earthly realm....
@richardknight6614
@richardknight6614 3 года назад
Let me say it again but with more emphasis: BCE means "BEFORE CHRISTIAN ERA"!
@JoeBack
@JoeBack 3 года назад
Historically BCE and CE always referred to common, or vulgar era. Check out this snippet from Wikipedia: "The expression has been traced back to 1615, when it first appeared in a book by Johannes Kepler as the Latin: annus aerae nostrae vulgaris (year of our common era),[4][5] and to 1635 in English as "Vulgar Era".[a] The term "Common Era" can be found in English as early as 1708,[6] and became more widely used in the mid-19th century by Jewish religious scholars. Since the later 20th century, CE and BCE are popular in academic and scientific publications as culturally neutral terms. They are used by others who wish to be sensitive to non-Christians by not explicitly referring to Jesus as "Christ" nor as Dominus ("Lord") through use of the other abbreviations.[7][8][b][c]"
@lukewarmwater6412
@lukewarmwater6412 3 года назад
always figgured a sheckle was a coin. but now I see that it could not have been. but it was still about the weight of a coin....
@JoeBack
@JoeBack 3 года назад
The weight of what would become a coin.
@sharondean3322
@sharondean3322 3 года назад
Where is Goliath shield armor sword today?
@JoeBack
@JoeBack 3 года назад
They have been lost in the sands of time.
@pavitashergill8308
@pavitashergill8308 3 года назад
I've got them at the back of my shed.?? 🤔🤔
@sharondean3322
@sharondean3322 3 года назад
@@pavitashergill8308 I was thinking maybe museum but thanks. Rome had museum but it was destroyed.
@Clarkecars
@Clarkecars 3 года назад
S/F!
@joelldighelanora2591
@joelldighelanora2591 3 года назад
BCE? YOU MEAN "B.C."
@JoeBack
@JoeBack 3 года назад
Nope, the academic and non-Christian world use BCE. I am not a Christian.
@gunnerwalker8092
@gunnerwalker8092 3 года назад
Then why are you talking about this subject
@Delgen1951
@Delgen1951 3 года назад
@@gunnerwalker8092 well he might be a Jew, and David is a Hero and king and of the family of Jesus.
@gunnerwalker8092
@gunnerwalker8092 3 года назад
@@Delgen1951 and...
@HerpDerpUrp
@HerpDerpUrp 3 года назад
@@gunnerwalker8092 What else is there to say? Does being a Christian give you a monopoly to talk about figures that are in both the Torah and the Bible?
@c.j.hutcheson4850
@c.j.hutcheson4850 3 года назад
Delusion weighs nothing....
@quercus417
@quercus417 3 года назад
As much as some christian could imagine.
@eighthgate1420
@eighthgate1420 3 года назад
You do this with no physical evidence that is amazing. Did you know we are all sons of God. Because we worship the sun!
@JoeBack
@JoeBack 3 года назад
No, actually we have archaeological remains of shekel weights, and ancient texts mentioning the formulas as to how to arrive at the measurement. That was kind of of the point of the video...
@eighthgate1420
@eighthgate1420 3 года назад
@@JoeBack Yeah, and I have a tape measure goes up to 12 feet? Shekel weight varied at different times! So if I have a fossil that is 3 billion years old, Goliath Never existed. Kind of like Zeus and his great grandparents were just created for fun back in ancient times. The poems in the Bible are really just lessons in life.
@benwilliams5236
@benwilliams5236 2 года назад
@@eighthgate1420 You are not a son of God. God is not your Father because you have rejected Him. Lucifer is your master and you will join him in the Lake of Fire. Only those who believe in the first born of God, Yeshua, will become sons of God through adoption. One must first realise and acknowledge that they are sinners and deserving damnation from God. This is something I think you will have great difficulty doing because you are so self righteous. I think that you will run with open arms to the antichrist when he appears soon, just to justify you own sinful nature. If you take his mark though, you will forfeit your opportunity for salvation. Now you have no excuse when you die in your sin without The Advocate, Yeshua and stand before Yehovah, not as loving Father but Righteous Judge. You're welcome.
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