I didn't feel too strongly abt Scara, he was just a villain that would crop up occasionally, but that SCENE changed everything. when he started to fall I yelled "CATCH HIM!!" it was clear he'd given up on his life and I knew he could change
I didn't scream. But I knew my mind and emotions were crying out for the Traveler to catch him. That, and Inversion of Genesis had bothered me so much, and it still affects me given how I still feel chills at his defeat scene. Scaramouche as a character had helped me realize that I am not the cold, and insensitive person that I thought I was. Through Scaramouche's story, I've felt empathy for the first time since forever. He proved to me that I was no psychopath, not even the slightest.
His whole character and stories ever since his first appearance in 1.1 are so well written, it's just amazing how from only appearing every once a year slowly he became one of the most important characters that heavily related to the game's lore, so happy to see his character development so far and he's still the same annoying brat, it was rly nice to see him as a villain But still, HE HASN'T TOLD US ABOUT THE FAKE SKY AND I'M STILL WAITING HAHA BOI PLEASE COME BACK-
dottore finally mentioned the fake sky, we’re so close to getting that information…! if the next archon quest doesn’t acknowledge it i’m gonna flip a table. i really hope wanderer shares more of his knowledge with us too.
@@Roma_Romanee-Conti the canon story also acknowledged it, though less directly. in chapter 2 act 3 (released in 2.1), scaramouche had a few different lines because we already knew him.
8:53 also noticed how in his boss theme, there was a segment where the feel differed from the rest of the soundtrack. after the warm, beautiful solo voice, it was immediately followed by a demonic rendition of the Fatui theme. I felt that signifies Dottore's manipulation over everything that he went through and his control over him
also I'm pretty sure he's the first big character to show heavy signs of being suicidal and very mentally ill in a obvious way. the way some people call his character dramatic does make me wonder how they would react if someone close to them had a similar experience.
It's really saddening to see how some people just make fun of him that way. The way he reacted to grief and trauma is extremely realistic and I say this as a psychology student. The way some people make fun of this aspect of him is extremely disrespectful to anyone that went through similar struggles as him.
in a way he basically did intend to commit suicide when he erased himself it was just fortunate irminsol doesn't actually change the past just the memories of it...
He reminds me of Xiao in that aspect, both have very different but relatable tribulations through all their years of life but both have that self loathing imprinted deep in their psyche, also the contrast of their ways to make it happen, Xiao doing the heroic self sacrifice while Scara doing the final redemption act, let's not forget perilous trail, Xiao was ready.
@@julis2005 both are characters i admire so much i remember when the chasm quest came out and i watched that cutscene i was legit screaming at my screen. I was actually convinced for a second maybe this is it. Istg hoyoverse is gonna have be crying for them later in the storyline with their personalities.
ngl, scaramouche's story reflects my personal experience on a deep level. It was extremely surprising to see a character that describes my life experience & struggles with mental health so accurately. Everytime, I understood his pain and why he acts the way he does. It's kind of funny because at some point, a friend of mine joked if I have God-complex and that made me reflect. It is quite hurtful when people say "oh he's just edgy/babygirl" and make it as his entire personality. Like no, you can joke about it sure, but not the point of mischaracterization. But then again, it just goes to show why people who relate to scara acts the way we do and why he acts the way he does. How can we survive if we dont mask ourselves? even if it seems abnormal? like what are we supposed to do with the pain if no one else gets it? I have never felt seen and that exposed. Never expected it to come from a video game. Fortunately I dont do the atrocities that scara does, but the sense of aggression...is something some people with mental health struggles with. I, myself deal with depression & suicidal thoughts a lot. It's not something I can share either. When he becomes wanderer, funnily enough its also something I relate and it makes sense. We can learn to change but doesnt mean we'll change our personality 180 and within a day. Our past shapes us for the rest of our lives. The past happened and theres nothing we can do to change it.
It's crazy how Scara went from a character that I feel "meh" towards to a character that I absolutely love. I think he's very well written. Also, I think the 3.3 Interlude quest wasn't a redemption arc, it was the BEGINNING of Scara's redemption arc. He decided he wants to atone for his wrongdoings, he's made the intention...but the action still hasn't been fulfilled. I cannot wait to see what the future holds for him
I started playing in 1.4 and I felt so crazy when people would talk about him in the Inazuma quest line as if I should know who he is?! It makes me feel so much better to know that his only appearance before that point was in that event.
The problem is that as a whole he doesn’t really bring much to the main story since a lot of the information about him is in the background It’s even worse if you don’t read artifacts like the husk set It really sucks especially given how irrelevant he was to the bulk of the sumeru story
@@amari7782 Yeah, a lot of the chunky lore stuff is still in lore descriptions, even when discluding the Husk set, lol. The future setup is how fate works and how much Archons know about it. When are artifact domains created? If they're created in the past, does that mean Wanderer's fate was predetermined? How did Raiden know about Wanderer's fate and how much? Why couldn't she "bring herself to interfere" with it? We know that artifact domains are at least known to someone like Kaeya, because he makes a reference to the Maiden's Beloved domain. These questions spawned from Raiden and Wanderer's voicelines and Kaeya's character quest. The progression is with Istaroth(?). Weinelesefest gets a purpose, as with Wanderer's character bio, a re-telling of the events in Inversion of Genesis, we get a new sensory description of smell. Similar to Razor smelling the bottle letting Venti grant him a memory of his parents, Wanderer 'hears the winds voice' and smells 'nostalgic scents'. This caused me to look back at the cutscenes to see if this was anywhere remotely alluded to, and the same red-blue glitchy effect appears when we meet the mysterious voice happens when Wanderer's head is splitting from receiving his memories. Bruh. There are a lot of opinions you can form with this type of story-telling, lmao. I personally had fun and was unbelievably shocked, but I can see others being incredibly annoyed, lol.
@@exultantblade50 Cool you can like it I don’t care cuz that’s not my point The point is that none of that matters anymore for wanderer. It’s not really all that shocking when damn near most of the lore was already explained before his quest outside of the fatui reveal #626 because of course the fatui was involved. The point I’m making is that none of it really matters anymore because they missed their chance to address it you can talk bout all this other stuff bout fate but it doesn’t matter for wanderer hell going by that logic invalidates his entire point in the first place but again I don’t care because that’s not the point I’m getting at
@@amari7782 Gotcha, then I focused too hard on the "main story" part of your comment. The shocking bit is specifically in regard to the intervention of the mysterious voice. It's an instance of when a character description provides new information concurrently with a new cutscene-story.
@@exultantblade50 I mean to the main story everything involving scaramouche ad a lot of characters is still fundamentally irrelevant and with the way they handle events no one is really going to get a conclusive ending in the way they want because it’s just going to be festivals for days.
I just find it so neat that the thing he wanted- to become a god- became the thing that held him back from getting the gnosis back from nahida. The tubes tearing apart only *after* she took it is definitely symbolic of him finally breaking.
Before the quest, I was not a fan of him that much but I kinda knew that he did those things for a reason. Villain aren’t born evil, they’re created. So I dig into the rabbit hole for lore crumbs and it was true. After that scene…my heart wrenched as he descended to the ground slowly closing his eyes and shutting down all his senses. Then I realized I emotionally invested in this fandango boy. I acknowledged his sins, but I also accepted his redemption. Well played HoYoVerse. *cry* His resentment to his mother are not the thing to be ignored. If Ei or Miko were to remember to real history then things could go south rather quickly.
As I see it, Scaramouche hasn't been redeemed YET. The 3.3 archon quest was just the start of his redemption arc. The moment where a character decides to atone for their actions and the moment where they can be considered redeemed are two different instances. He recognizes what he did was wrong and is taking responsibility for his actions, but that doesn't mean he's been redeemed. He needs to earn his redemption. He has to actually make it right to the people he hurt to be considered redeemed, which is where I think Hoyoverse wants to go with his character because of his line of 'telling the ones who suffered because of the Raiden Gokaden fiasco the truth' and all the times they've been teasing a Scaramouche vs Kazuha confrontation. (Sorry if I didn't make myself clear, English isn't my main language)
@@serixirose7575no, it’s just that people’s memories of the events he was involved in/caused are altered, so that they don’t remember what he did, but things like the raiden gokaden’s fall still happened, just not due to scara. the past itself was not changed, the timeline, as we know it, is still the same
@@serixirose7575 Its not that Scaramouche changed the past, Irminsoul just changed how everyone remembers it. Irminsoul can't change the past nor the timeline, it can only change data, or in other words, memories and records. We are still in the same timeline as when we started the game. We know this is true because of the vase at the end of the quest. Paimon broke it because she got scared of what Scaramouche was trying to do, but after he deleted himself from Irminsoul the vase was still broken, Paimon just didn't remember WHY she broke it since Scaramouche "doesn't exist" for the people of Teyvat anymore. If Irminsoul changed the timeline the vase wouldn't be broken since there would be no reason for it to be, but since it can't do that, the vase is still broken, just that Paimon doesn't remember why.
Yes please is a magic word. And one of his fallen lines says the price of my sins. Which if that doesn't break your heart I don't know what will. At least for me.
He was the only Fatui Harbinger who has the most satisfying conclusion within the Archon Quest. This definitely not the end of his story as he will come back to take revenge for what Dottore did and will be essential in foiling Fatuis plan in the future.
I can totally agree on this. The moment he lost the Gnosis and pleaded with us changed how I viewed him (also massive thanks to Patrick Pedraza - his performance was and is everything!). We saw glimpses of someone other than the Harbinger Scaramouche before the quests and you could have known about Scaramouches past through the artifacts, but that one moment made me crave for his redemption. He's now my favorite character, together with Kaeya and followed by Heizou.
The thing that I appreciate the most about how Scaramouche's shift into Wanderer was written is the way Wanderer allocated the blame for his actions as the Balladeer. His anger at Dottore for manipulating him is valid, but he also accepts his own responsibility in responding to his grief and anger by lashing out at the world and hurting others the way he perceived to have been hurt. Dottore put the knife in Scaramouche's hands and gave him a fake motive, but it was still ultimately Scara's decision to stab, and the fact that Wanderer acknowledges that is some of the most beautifully nuanced writing I've seen in a video game. It's both of their faults, and Wanderer understands that. TW: Suicide mention And so many people completely missed the point of Scara erasing himself from Irminsul. They think he was trying to run from responsibility, but that's just not true. Scaramouche didn't want a reality where his atrocities were shoved onto other people; he wanted a reality where his atrocities never happened in the first place. His erasure from Irminsul was literally an allegory for attempted suicide. Typically when someone in the real world attempts to take their own life, they believe they're easing some imagined burden that they've brought upon the world by simply existing in it. That's what Scaramouche was trying to do, taken to its most ltieral extreme.
I am not entirely sure I would call this a redemption. I think he has the desire to redeem himself, but he is not quite there yet and is gonna require a lot of guidance and maybe even closure on some things, though I am wondering how they‘re gonna do this considering that neither Ei nor Miko nor anyone seems to remember him anymore. Redemption would be actually owning up to the things he has done, and facing the consequences as was the point Nahida made if I remember correctly. Brilliantly written story nonetheless though, the attention to detail by Hyv to his entire story from the beginning of the game til now is commendable. I really hope we get more on him as Genshin updates! By that I mean IM BEGGING, HYV. PLS.
Totally agree. The point where a character decides to acknowledge and atone for their wrongdoings and the moment they can be considered redeemed are two different instances. Scaramouche hasn't been redeemed YET, but is on the path to redemption.
@@Loki-rb3ns it doesn’t help that with the way they gone about it their not going to address the fact that kazuha and ayaka/ayato families got shafted because of him which was really the biggest points of his actions
@@amari7782 I do think they will eventually adress it in the future, not only because Scaramouche stated he wants to take responsibility for his past actions and tells the traveler to tell the ones affected by the Raiden Gokaden fiasco that he was actually the one who caused their downfall, but also because they've been teasing at a Kazuha & Scara confrontation/encounter since Irodori festival. I think that the way they'll redeem him would have something to do with Scara helping Kazuha restore the Isshin art as a form of atoning for his past sins, since they already stablished in Kazuha's story quest that he's now trying to restore it, but that's only speculation, we'll see what hoyo has planned for him with time, I just know that his story is far from over.
Yea. I think the Interlude quest was just the BEGINNING of Scara's redemption arc. He decided that he wants to pay for what he's done by telling the Raiden Gokaden descendants the truth and letting them get revenge. But he isn't fully redeemed yet because the action hasn't be done
@@Loki-rb3ns the problem is that we’re long past the point of inazuma for any of this to really matter and it also defeats the purpose of what nahida did to even preserve his existence. The problem too lies with how the meet up happening now just won’t really matter since he was erased which basically means that him revealing this would just come off as more of a trying to wrap things up than anything significant
I personally used to be a hater of Scara way back in the past but that was obv due to how he was back then all shit.. But now after all this happened,have to say he's had one of the best char developments ever..and now i like Scara just fine Oh gotta gib Nahida some credits ok,when whole world didn't want him,Nahida still gave him a hand while despite being an enemy lol
i mean it is natural to hate the villan type theres a difference between hating a character but liking them for how they are written. Personally i had a feeling for a while this is how hoyoverse would go with his story so it surprised me how many people actually started to gain more interest over sumeru lol
The first really sad cutscene we got for him made me feel for him and want healing for him and growth. That battle cutscene tho you are right even more so tore my heart out for him. It was a build up leading up to that point.
i didn't initially care about him bc i only started a few months ago, but i think i've grown quite attached to him (probably bc i pulled for him lol). i think what i relate to the most is how he treated the world around him terribly because he felt wronged. and the moment he realized everything he did was in vain, he wanted to immediately correct it. BUT his action to "fix" his problems was also in vain. all the things that happened, still happened. in the end, he was left in shame for the things he's done and now he has kusenali looking after him to get him to actually change. i think my favorite part was that when he went into the irminsul, it did not fix his problems. he didn't actually erase those events just the memories around it. he was forced to relearn what he did and now has to live with the mistakes he made. and most of all, I liked that he wasn't let go. he couldn't shortcut his redemption. the solutions he came up with failed, so he has to rethink what to do next. i loved seeing him get kicked down 1000 pegs and now he's trying to stand up again
not me I've been waiting for his redemption since husk of opulent dreams was out and showed his past. I was just waiting for it to appear in the story visually so other players could finally understand how and why he had so many fans already
Scaramouche's storyline hit me harder than I ever expected it to. I had a period in my life where I, too, gave up on myself. I empathize with Scara's story so heavily for that reason- I hated myself for who I was and regretted everything in the past because I realized what I was doing wasn't right and I'd hurt people. I would've given anything back then to change the past and erase myself. I'm no longer in that dark place, but Scaramouche's arc still hit very close to home. Maybe even a little too close. I think that's why I'll never understand people who just hate him despite knowing what he's been through. Have they ever seen someone fall so far from hope like Scaramouche did? Have they ever experienced that pain of losing the will to live? Those that haven't need to consider how they're treating Scaramouche as a character, because _there are real people who have experienced what he did that did not survive._
I mentioned this before and I'll say it again. A misunderstanding that many have about redemptiom arcs is not about turning into a "good guy" or joining the heroes. It's not about asking for forgiveness or wanting to make amends. Is when the individual has shoking realization about their own sins, and their own actions have caused nothing misfortune to their life. The turning point starts when that person has chosen to abandon said negative path or ideal, and decided to turn into a new leaf, which that doesn't equal turning into a good person. When Scaramouche realized that he has been tricked by Dottore all those years ago, he had an epiphany about his crimes against the Raiden Gokaden and has been blaming the wrong subject. And he believed that the only way to fix is through the use of Irminsul - erasing his own existence and changed history for a better outcome. However, even during his memoryless state, he didn't find any sense of closure that he wanted, but only emptiness. And even after recovering his whole self, is willing to suffer the consequences of his trangressions by quote "stabbed their blades into chest." That's why being him being an Anemo user works. He has achieved detachment from all earthly tether and not longer attached to mortal bonds. And now, he is like the wind, forever wanderer without any clear direction, a mere breeze brushing someone's shoulder and a figure that quickly dissppears among the crowd.
The big problem is that by erasing himself he kinda also defeated his own point given that all the events still happen but now the few people who knew of his involvement most of which are dead anyway now don’t know why they’re in this situation It doesn’t help that kazuha ayato and ayaka the 3 most effected by his actions still go their whole lives not knowing that the person who caused their clan’s downfalls is out and about. Overall it’s a redemption story that hardly feels that impactful in the grand scheme of things since it really doesn’t solve any problems for anyone. At least with Ei second story quests after the events she changes her perspective and plans to walk with her people and while she’s not bringing the dead back yo life her actions can make the sacrifices not in vain while scaramouche redemption arc solves no one’s problems and changes nothing
Maria Paz Gónzalez Lesme But just the " a misunderstanding that many have about redemptiom arcs is not about turning into a "good guy" or joining the heroes. It's not about asking for forgiveness or wanting to make amends. Is when the individual has shoking realization about their own sins, and their own actions have caused nothing misfortune to their life. The turning point starts when that person has chosen to abandon said negative path or ideal, and decided to turn into a new leaf, which that doesn't equal turning into a good person."
Great video!! I agree with you. Personally I wouldn't say he got redeemed in the Interlude Archon quest, but rather it was only the beginning of his redemption arc. He wants us to tell the truth about the Raiden Gokaden. He acknowledges his wrongdoings and won't run away from the consequences. He's taking responsibility for his actions. He definitely changed, but not redeemed. Will alone is not enough to redeem a person. It's the start of something, but not where it ends. He needs to seek those he hurt and make it right for them. He has to earn his redemption. I can't wait to see more of him in the future. The things to look forward to are quite exciting. I especially need that Kazuha and Scaramouche confrontation, all that teasing better mean something HoYo.
Dude when he dropped HEAD FIRST into the ground, i was like "IS HE OKAY? HELLO? WHY'S NO ONE CHECKING UP ON HIM?? Bruh Nahida you just saw someone possibly crack their neck, can we at least check up on him"
Excellent video! All the praise needs to go to Patrick Pedraza, in his interview with Zach and Lori Megistus, he goes into how in that moment he had truly be the character and understand the pain that this character has been through. And it shows in his delivery, going from Haughty False God, to returning back to the scared lost child all those years ago. I cried watching this scene, because despite having just fought his 2 sage boss fight, this moment right here reminds that he was a victim of fate and the horrible circumstances around him. And it feels earned, despite the 180 of his character trajectory, the ending of his arc doesn’t feel like a justification for the horrible things he did, but closure to nightmare and hell he’s been through, while offering him the chance of redemption. I hope Hoyo continues his story further, since despite his main arc being done, there’s still a lot of loose ends I would like to see touched upon, such as his new relationship with the Raiden Shogun, his revenge against Dottore and even maybe a sequel to the Unreconciled Stars event
i feel like scara is the most emotional character we've seen like we have seen him and when hes faking being nice in unreconciled then showing his ego in inazuma but then seeing him crumble in sumeru and the his acceptance of who he is. I feel like each stage of him someone can relate to thats why a lot of people suddenly who felt meh about him start to like his character
If you told me 2 years ago that Scaramouche would become my second favorite character in the game I'd think you're capping. I never got to play the unreconciled stars event since I started playing in late 1.2 but even after watching recordings I couldn't understand why people liked him as much as they did. Really only saw him as a neat reference to that one part in Bohemian Rhapsody. After Inazuma came out and more of his lore dropped, while definitely intrigued, I was still extremely iffy about him, he was a villain after all. It wasn't until his connection with Kazuha was revealed that my views on him really started to change. Based on what had been shown at the time, that moment of hesitation seemed so out of character and it made me crave to see where Hoyo would take his story next. And they sure delivered! Sumeru made me love him pretty much immediately. It's honestly amazing how much thought and care went into Scara's backstory and characterization. Definitely can't wait to see where his development goes next after the interlude chapter. P.S. Now that he's more fleshed out than before I've noticed he's not only just a Bohemian Rhapsody reference, but a Queen reference in general since most of their songs match him perfectly lol
You were right in observing from the Unreconciled Stars event and the delusion factory that Scaramouche lacked empathy, and was instructed to kill the traveller. But on both occasions it also became clear that this wasn't his own creative idea, and that he willingly dropped the intention as soon as something else came up. He had "bigger fish to fry". That, and the artifact descriptions & scattered notes made me wish for redemtion early on.
I think they really write well this character, it really overcome other villains to me, such as Tartaglia, and Signora(i hate her even after read her backatory), and even Shogun (in inazuma archon quest) he was pretty ominous when he was a villain, and his past maked me feel very close to him, make me see him in a much more human way, since the sumeru arc he became one of my favourite characters because of his well written story, and now.. i really hate Dottore even more than before, i feel disgusted seeing how people are wishing him as playable so much, i just wanna see Wanderer getting his revenge and finishing him once and for all 😆
I really agree with everything you’ve said accept for a couple of things you left out. These things are confusing so I feel the Twins have been in Trevat for longer than just 500 years. The first thing is Scaramouche tells Lumine her brother lived with the Jester in Kan’riah when the Jester was a royal Madge. I believe this was before the Jester became Fatuii. The other thing is Scaramouche tells Lumine is that he knows her from before. I believe he meant her the first time she traveled with Dainslief. Dainslief is the Boughkeeper and I believe he messed with Lumine’s head and her memories. After she sent Dain packing, she meant kunikusinski. This would have been before Kuni became a Fatuii and after the little boy died. There is so much more to the Wanderer’s story. He is definitely connected to Lumine. When they went into Irmasol, he was flirting with her calling attention to her “pretty eyes”! Barely to halfway through the story and at least 4 more countries to get to, so there will be much more from the Wanderer!
I really wished unreconciled stars was a permanent feature. Playing post 2.0, I feel like missed out on a lot even if they did a seperate introduction for him later on, the impact just doesn't feel as strongly as it would've been had my traveler met him before. He just like another antagonist to beat rather than a rival slowly being built up for a showdown. At the very least, ever since Perilous trails, they've either stopped doing story heavy quests or at least allow new players to experience them without the event rewards.
When he reseted hinself and was all good guy working for free for that sumeru merchant i was like nooooooo, but that scene when he get his vision hyped the hell outta me
I don’t think him and ei need any reconciliation. He’s moved on and he doesn’t need to even give that binch the courtesy of offering any apology. As someone who has also moved on from trauma, there’s no apologies we would ever accept, and our best course of action is to just accept the past, move on, and never look back. And that is what scara has done. His story is already complete and to return for answers would mean returning to the past, and that’s pointless.
Except he’s not weak, he doesn’t need like you to protect him and people like you don’t get to decide that for him Him and Hoyoverse does not people like you And they were graciously flipping the bird, and do it anyway 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@alexanderluna4598 But still, the views of both sides are wrong. She did not "abandon" him in her view and she did not "free" him in his view. That is something that need to be changed. Of his betrayals, only his 1st one is unresolved. Ei will forever think she did the right thing and Scara will always think she is a tyrant looking for power above all else. The situation has changed now. Ei is slowly making herself more expose to human interaction and Scara has found peace in the present. This is the time when both can resolve their differences.
This reminds me more of Crow, (Destiny 2 Season of the Lost , to the Haunted) his redemption arc polar opposites with what Wanderer had, and taught me how much he could have been so much more than his previous life. In Comparison both the Wanderer and Crows Redemption Arcs the ultimate difference is how Fate had plans for them, and has make no Mistakes whatsoever.
Scaramouche was the only character I could hardly ever to forgive and tho it was kinda justified, i cant help but loathe him. Tho due to his insecurity and facade he put himself on personality-wise, pretty much understandable id say. His redemption arc made me understand him more and i just kinda gave out. Everything was just a defense mechanism and it was a bit sad cuz thats all he could ever afford to put on. So yeh, his quest was legit the tastiest one i had. The lore was too good.
Among all of Harbringers, I thought this guy gonna be pure evil, and he wouldn't be playable character. And also he's one of characters that mocks traveler, unlike other characters, who are polite to traveler. And at the start of story quest of scaramouche, I thought he wouldn't redeem his memory and probably turn good. But to my suprise, he regains his memory and become less evil and concentrated all his hate on Doctor.
if you read his lore before this quest, you'd notice that he was never purely evil. he came to be with a sensitive heart and was very much innocent. even during his time as a harbinger, he's noted to have treated elderly and kids well & would smile genuinely at them. he also had no direct involvement in delusion factory and before that, he was mostly sent to the abyss or assisted other fatui members.
@@starrysky6586 To be fair he let Signora die, and tried to kill us in meteor event. And probably Mona and Fischl too. But yeah, he's not pure evil, just broken.
@Вардот Капрелло tbf it wasn't only him, him running away with the gnosis is because he was involved in a plan orchestrated by dottore & the sages which then revealed was just another way to abuse & (nearly) kill scara. also signora died because she accepted traveler's challenge so, it wasn't just "she was let to die", part of it is due to her own choice to partake in the challenge. he did try to kill traveler as it was a mission given to him. though i dont remember him trying to kill mona & fischl tbh, iirc he refrained from killing traveler/failed because mona & fischl were there
That moment when Nahida takes the Gnosis, is amazing but even more impressive when you watch it in the other languages! Each language gives a different feeling to that moment but they all match!
Awesome video!! ❤️❤️ But 6:39, Traveler isn't a human lol. When Scara says 'Filthy humans' etc, both Traveler, Paimon, Nahida, nor the neo akasha are humans haha. Traveler is 500+ years old
i had zero interest in scara as a character besides the whole "false sky" thing before the end of the archon quest. and that had more to do with the lore of teyvat then scara. but that moment 100% changed my entire perspective. hoyo did this arc so well!. my only complaint is that they didn't at least drop further hints about the "false sky" in his interlude quest. but i cant say im surprised because that is definitely some.... "end game" lore type stuff most likely. i highly doubt hoyo wants to expand upon that for some time.
To be fair, a great many villains begin with a wounded child complex. I can't honestly say I felt anything when Scaramouche begged to retain the Gnosis, by that point it was very much a you reap what you sow moment in my book. As far as the new persona Scaramouche became as he very much ended his previous existence of his own free will, time will tell but he's got a clean slate in my opinion. The only critical fact that remains is that his existence was an engineered failure by Ei whom of all the Archons I feel has not yet truly redeemed herself for any of her actions. In a sense, I entirely put the blame on her for abandoning Scara in the first place. Just as I blame Ei for the deaths of so many with the civil war between her shogunate and Watatsumi island. Who even knows how many died at sea due to the storms that once surrounded Inazuma. The near starvation that fell upon the people for lack of trade, the madness that fell upon those who lost their vision and how her own kingdom was nearly usurped by a shadow government that had the single goal of using people as test subjects for delusions. The only thing that has changed is that she has literally only stopped doing these things and started going out on occasion to touch grass. It is the people of Inazuma that have bounced back on their own from no longer being so oppressed, although the ruins on several major islands remain still as scars of the lives and homes lost due to Ei's failure to protect her people. If I remember correctly Zhongli once commented on the God of Salt being a failure of a God for very similar reasons. Had it not been for the Traveler refusing to finish her with finality the same way Ei removed Signora from her mortal coil it easily could have been Yae Miko as the new Archon of Inazuma. In many ways perhaps this might have been more fitting aside from the fact that it was only through Yae's meddling that the Traveler even stood a chance against Ei and it was Yae's choice to offer an alternative. If Yae had wanted to be the next Archon she could have easily gained the position the same way Nahida reclaimed hers via the Traveler. It was a very fine line imo. So now in present times, what exactly is Ei doing as Inazuma's Archon? And is there any chance we will ever see her atone for her sins or was her redemption merely her admitting maybe she was wrong and to just stop being the reason for Inazuma's suffering?
You really neeed to Pay more attention to the Inazuma arc. After the completion of the archon quest where you fight Ei for the 2nd time on the Eutamia plane, chronologically follow Kokomi's legendary quest where you meet Kujou Sara saying that she came at the Shogun's request to start diplomatic negotiations with Watatsumi. Basically, Ei was the 1st to make the 1st move to peace between Inazuma and Watatsumi. The second thing Ei did for Inazuma bothers me a lot because they don't tell about it in the main story or in any relevant in-game books. In a highly irrelevant and forgettable place, you can find letters written by soldiers describing the rescue missions the Shogun launched to rescue civilians from dangerous islands like Amakumo Island. (Shows that Inazuma's history is very poorly written). The third is that he wanted to apologize to Kazuha by bringing glory back to Kazuha's blacksmith family and a private visit with her. But Kazuhs refused the gift, preferring his life as a wandering traveler. Calling someone out on their faults doesn't erase the good they do as well. You are right in saying that because of her mistakes, people in Inazuma suffered, but here's where you drop the ball. Just because she can't bring those who died back to life, doesn't mean she can't own up and take responsibility for her mistakes. she can still do her part for those who live. After her character quests, she devoted her life to fixing and making Inazuma a better place to live in. In the festival event that takes place some time afterwards, we get to see how much better the nation has become because of her. Now that she's owned up to her mistakes, and is attempting to better herself and her nation. Kazuha states that he would never have thought after coming leaving and coming back to Inazuma, how much better the nation has become. Shinobu even out right gives her credit for changing the nation for the better. And we have numerous of NPC spot out stating that inazuma Has improved for the better Also you do realize most of those deaths was the for the resistance right?
@@forresttheanimezilla3763 Wow, ok thank you for that, I missed a lot of those details and that DOES seem to be a noticeable improvement on how I viewed Ei. I had no knowledge of any letters explaining how Ei sent soldiers to rescue anyone. As for the peace talks I simply viewed as the only logical end to the war but under scrutiny things could have gone a lot worse clearly, if Ei had not wished to end the conflict peacefully. While much of what you pointed out, and thank you, does paint Ei in a better light, I'm still not 100% on board with her being redeemed. As you also pointed out, there's nothing that can be done for the departed nor would there have been any salvation required if Ei hadn't chosen the path that she did. I expect the majority of the difference being made is simply not having fishing and merchant boats blown out of the water any more. In the end it comes down to a cease of all hostilities with the offer of aide and assistance for refugees. There is also the freedom to now travel beyond the borders of Inazuma and the return of Visions. Which again is much the same. I'm deeply curious about how much Inazuma is improving beyond that. Yes not being murdered surely is an improvement but are they reclaiming the island homes previously lost from the kingdom falling into ruin, if so when can we expect to SEE them being rebuilt or is it just assumed that things are BETTER because the threat of imminent death is no longer on such grand display? Words are just words without the actions to manifest them. Still, I'll take your comments under deeper consideration and chalk some of it up to the quality of writing in Inazuma but I hesitate to embrace Ei as having been truly redeemed as of yet.
@@witchcandy3671 shima masaoki : Word on the street is that the fog over tsunami Island gone and that people might be set there the way I see it the new troops need more trading now then ever before!
so far the only thing Ei has going for her is that she didn't destroy the puppet, and that in present day she repealed the vision hunt decree. But she still is the theocratic leader of a nepotist dictatorship and reserves the right to execute Inazumans at will, as she once put it to Signora. Certainly no remorse for past executions.
NO! redemption is not that easy, asking for it is easy but actually earning it is a very long road and he had miles to go before he can rest. Of course now that he is no longer standing in my way I can freely help him if he asks.
This scene, the scene where he burst from the mask and tore apart the pipes was the very scene that made me rethink all of his story. I felt so bad, I felt so, so bad. I was never a fan of his then, and that scene made me want to reach out and catch him before he fell. I flinched when he hit the ground. It was... Painful to listen to him plea, and when the traveller didn't catch him, I was... Shocked, taken aback, and just... Sad. I slowly watched all of his storyline again, thought deeply about his character, backstory and the three betrayals which I had taken so lightly before, and, well, I went from someone who is reluctantly understanding of his fans to one of his fans, and then later, um. A straight up simp for him. Yeah I fking love him now I wanna pull him in my arms and snuggle and hug and tell him he is human and he deserves to be loved. Not feared or reverend but loved. And maybe snuggle his cat form a little. Dang that red eyeliner is going to kill me one day
While i cant say i'm satisfied with his interlude quest, one thing i learn from it is what Irminsul actually did. Irminsul really just changed the record, nothing in the past actually changed, and it left bitter taste for me since even though Scara didnt plan to run away, it feels like he just made things worse by making people he'd wronged forgot about him. Well erasing Rukkhadevata does do something, as the thing we actually erase is the existence of forbidden knowledge that was fused with Rukkhadevata, so erasing the memory seems to be enough to get a result. But that doesnt mean changing the past isnt actually a thing. In Ei's 2nd story quest, we witnessed her planting the Sacred Sakura into 500 years ago, and that, i think, is changing the past. Unlike the change in Irminsul, we already see and interact with Sacred Sakura even before that quest, as we live in the timeline where Sacred Sakura exist. We just never see the actual timeline where it didnt exist, and i fear that in that timeline, Inazuma isnt as peaceful (or even exist) as they probably failed to defend themselves from the corruption since Sacred Sakura was the one responsible to absorb the filth. Maybe if Scara sought God of Time, his attempt to change the past by erasing himself or whatever could actually solve something. He unfortunately missed it as whoever mysterious voice is (that i thought is Istaroth), it's only interested in traveller. I wonder what hoyoverse will do with this possibility of either changing the record or the actual past. Maybe we really gonna 'reweave' the fate like Dainsleif said.
I only disagree with 2 things: It was not only to set things right. Him erasing himself was selfish, there are many ways he could have manipulated Irminsul like just literally changing the fact that he ever met those people (which is what the Irminsul did in the end "memory wise"). He never been born at all, he didn't want to face the guilt. He doesn't need reconciliation with mama. Maybe not everyone has heard this line, but he knows the reason why Ei left him. Wether he believes it or not as the reason, it's the truth that "she didn't want to interfere with his future". And that IS NOT a justification. If he believes that's the reason, then he finds it insulting and ridiculous (and it totally is, and there is nothing wrong with Ei making an awful decision, we all have done that). If he things there is something else behind, he will find out that there really isn't. He might dig more into Ei's mourning and the whole deal and will come to the same conclusion that what of it? It doesn't justify, just the same way Scaramouche's own past doesn't justify many things he did. A reason is a reason, but its not synonym of justification. The best that could happen to him it's that he understands and just gets over the fact by becoming indifferent, and if they ever get close great! But some people CRAVE that reconciliation as if it was necessary or some sort of MUST HAPPEN... Nope, we don't have to forgive everything.
I mostly liked him for his character design as a puppet than his personality and growth as a whole. I'm Naruto fan and I love sasori. I was kinda hoping he had an ability to control his enemies like how he was used as a puppet for ei and the fatui. Maybe a character in the future will have this ability I'm looking for. He's not necessarily a bad character in writing. Just not my type I guess.
To me he didn't have to be redeemed. The traveller was too mean to him which made me feel like I was being mean to him and since I gravitate towards all trauma characters cause same, I just wanted to help him. Also I freaking LOVE Paimon, but jeeeeeeez in his story quest I was telling us both to stfu >
I do think Scaramouche did manage to change the past tho not as he intended I dat this because he did intend to erase himself in hopes that it will bring back those that have died but he forgot most of them like Niwa and the others alongside the child didn't die because of him they died because of Dottore so erasing himself meant nothing for Dottore's plans. Now about the fate of Raiden Gokuden this is another reason why I think Scaramouche did change the past. As we have seen with the story of Rukhadevata that in case of erasure Irminsul tents full in the blanks with an appropriate answer to the riddle of the missing history, not accurate but close. In Scaramouche's case however it did not do this. For his erasure it not only redirect his path through time and history but also created a completely new answer to the mystery of the Raiden Gokuden which being the Psychopath Murderer who did not exist during the original events of the Raiden Gokuden incidents. Not to mention the resolution of the incident was also change because of this, Kazuha and Ayaka's ancestors/grandparents did encounter the murderer at the same place as they did Scaramouche but as this time they were not fighting against a Divine creation they won the fight instead of the original outcome which was Kazuha's Grandfather being the only survivor of the incident. This is also the reason why i think the Iradori festival letter disappeared. The letters original purpose was to warn theur successor about the one(Scaramouche) who nearly destroyed the Raiden Gokuden because even they couldn't defeat him and the future generations might encounter hum again. But as the outcome of their encounter changed with the murderer being captured and executed the letter lost its purpose to exist because there was nothing for Kazuha's Grandfather to warn the future generations about.
One thing I want to say is that Irminsoul CAN'T change the past (or the timeline), it can only change memories. When Scaramouche tried to erase himself from Irminsoul he did it because he wanted to save Niwa and the people of Tatarasuna (this is because he believes that the reason Dottore targeted them in the first place was because of him. Because he basically became Dottore's number 1 test subject back then) as well as undoing what he did to the Raiden Gokaden so they could live a peaceful life where the clans never fell from grace. Scaramouche wanted to change the timeline, but as I said before, Irminsoul can't do that. Erasing himself from Irminsoul just changed everyone's memories of what actually happened, as if he never existed, but that doesn't mean he never existed. He still lived in Tatarasuna all those years ago, he still sabotaged the Raiden Gokaden, he still joined the fatui and became a "god" in Sumeru. It's just that no one remembers he did and there's no data he ever existed in the first place. Think about Irminsoul as a computer with all the data of all the students in a school. Imagine student A got into a fight with student B and broke their leg, that event then is recorded in student A's profile. If we now delete their profile, all the data associated to him would dissapear from the computer, including the fact that he broke student B's leg. But just because that data was erased it doesn't mean that it didn't happen. Student B's leg is still broken. Irminsoul works like this, just that everything that is erased from Irminsoul is also erased from everyone's memories. If Scaramouche would have been successful in erasing himself and changing the past Kazuha would still be the head of his clan, the five branches of the Raiden Gokaden would still exist and Ayato and Ayaka probably would have a slightly different life.
@@Loki-rb3ns As I said before Scaramouche did change the past as proven by the disappearance of Kaedehara Yoshinori's letter and outcome of the encounter of the Raiden Gokuden's culprit. In the original version they all were nearly wiped out but this time they won and executed the culprit. Niwa and the others still died because as I said before their deaths are outcome Dottore's actions not Scaramouche's, even in the allegory story that Nahida' made for Scaramouche said that Dottore was present BEFORE they found Scaramouche. Dottore never came to Inazuma for Scaramouche, he was more of an accidental find. Irminsul doesn't just erase data, it has to fill in the blanks too, which it does by giving an approximate answer (not accurate but close) like for example after Rukhadevata's erasure someone had to have taken credit for her actions and Nahida is the closest thing Rukhadevata so she became the original Dendro Archon in the history.
@@Ren_rz I think you're mixing the Tatarasuna incident and the Raiden Gokaden fall events. Dottore is what caused the Tatarasuna incident where half Tatarasuna died, including Niwa; while Scaramouche was the one responsible for the fall of the Raiden Gokaden. The dissapearance of Yoshinori's letter happened because it directly mentioned Kunikuzushi. Irminsoul changes all records and memories of the things deleted. Since Scaramouche doesn't exist for the people of Teyvat anymore, Kunikuzushi also doesn't exist since they are the same person. Like you said, Irminsoul has to fill in the blanks in order for the information inside it to be coherent. When Nahida deleted Rhukkadevata from Irminsoul, everything that Rhukkadevata did was now attributed to Nahida. However, we know that's not true because Nahida wasn't even born back then and she's still 500 years old. With Scaramouche it's the same. He still commited his crimes against the Raiden Gokaden, but since Irminsoul can't change the past and Scaramouche doesn't exist inside Irminsoul anymore, the events that happened were left with no culprit, so the tree attributed those actions to Yoshinori. It's not that Irminsoul changed that happened/the timeline. It just changed how it was remembered/recorded. We know this is true because of the vase at the end of the quest. Paimon broke the vase because she got scared when she understood what Scara was trying to do, but after Scaramouche deleted himself from Irminsoul the vase was still broken. Paimon still broke the vase because she got scared because of Scaramouche, she just doesn't remember it because for the people of Teyvat Scaramouche doesn't exist anymore. If Irminsoul could change the timeline/past the vase wouldn't be broken since there would be no reason for it to be, but since it can't change the past, the vase is still broken but no one remembers why.
Watch hoyo do the same thing to dottore. Even now, mist of what we know about him are too vague to be sure that he really is as cruel as hoyo makes him appear to be.
I never saw him as a villain. And I also support his new path, he has the freedom to change his mind, if he thinks he has to pay for what he considers transgressions then I support that as well. Teyvat is a world deeply flawed and full of suffering and nobody is in the right in this story. Not even the traveler
He does bear resistant towards his His Mother/creator But I don't think Enough that he wants to you know Attempt kill her Maybe to Challenger to a duel 1 day Just a proof something to her And then Very likely just get his ass kicked
I guess other people care more about him than I do. Not that I don't see the change and sympathise (empathise?) with his desire to have a heart, so to speak, as I do believe in second chances. I just wouldn't care much if went went the way of Signora, though, obviously, what we got was better.
So then, the kunikuzushi story during the irodori festival was a setup that this rewriting of history is bound to happen since there was no definitive resolution back then who was kunikuzushi.
@@TeyvatHistoria Yeah, but they are ley line recordings. Line tje ley line blossoms and ot littereary says that its a Memory. Itminsul seems to have delited him from peoples memorys and history books but mayby the lay line recordings are something that cant be delited? Cause its recordet there instead on irminsul? Hmmm
If only the same could be said for quest events. Literally the easiest way is to have the Ley line recordings save the memories of those important events so that we can go back and play what we've missed out on.
I don't think everyone sees the wanderer as a redeemable person. I, for one, still sees him as a bad guy. Not that I am heartless nor close minded. I just don't see him as such.
So glad I managed to get him on my account. I adore em. If anyone is wondering, I named him Jon, Jon Arbuckle. XD For context this why I dislike calling him "Scaramouche" because that name is what he went by when the Doctor used him as his puppet, so I never call him that name.
I’m just curious/confused as to why they would use the electro gnosis instead of taking it to the tsaritsa like the others. To make it more confusing, the doctor comes and takes both gnoses later (supposedly taking them to the tsaritsa)
Just a reminder: It wasn’t Scaramouche who killed Teppei. It was actually Nathan, a Fatui Agent under Pierro disguised as a Resistance Soldier. If you read the Hall Notice in the Delusion Factory, it specifically states to report to him…
Why do people keep acting like he killed Teppei? Scaramouche wasn't distributing the delusions, it's been stated several times it was a soldier from Pierro's order called Nathan. And even then, Teppei knew what he was getting into when he got the delusion and still went through with it. Hate on Scara all you want but at least do so for the things he actually commited instead of spreading misinformation.
To be fair to all players, I really do like Scaramouche's story but still gotta say, i still dislike him as a character. Dude tried to kill the traveler soooo many times in the past. Moreover he actually "wanted" to kill the traveler not something like the traveler just came in between his plans so he had to try and kill the traveler. And ofcourse we have other points like him mocking Teppei's death (whom the traveler considered close friend, even if many players don't), etc. So yeah, that small redemption didn't work for me although I'm also glad that Nahida does manage to form like a contract with him to work for her as a backstage helper.
@@OOwly Ofcourse the fall of the Raiden Gokaden is also a great point which shows that even though he was in pain due to the losses he faced he still choose to do evil.
Correction, the first two times Scaramouche "wanted" to kill the traveler it was him being ordered or suggested to by a superior or subordinate and he never wanted to of his own volition, and he even decides to just let us go at the end of unreconciled stars by using his lackeys to hold us off. In Sumeru he also specifically warns the traveler that they and Nahida shouldn't bother fighting and he doesn't immediately attempt to kill us at that point either, and it's only when we confront him directly that he fights us. Sure, you can say "he still tried to kill us even if he didn't come after us or want to of his own volition" but I think that's incredibly hypocritical to say when the traveler has killed plenty of people and things over the course of their journey at this point and we don't exactly have any moral high ground to stand on. Being salty over the teppei insults is obviously just up to the person but, knowing how Scaramouche was just a mask and he never truly hated people as much as he pretended, it was just a bunch of sophistry in an attempt to convince himself that he was right to hate humanity. That's my perspective and why I don't really hold that against him.
@@sneakretster I can totally understand your take and perspective too and honestly it isn't wrong either. But pardon me but I'd like to add another correction too. In Mondstadt, although he was under the orders of the Jester, Scaramouche's words after Mona teleported us away was "The first time the Mililith were present, I had to forego the chance to strike down Mondstadt's savior. This time was the perfect moment... I was mere seconds away..." it might just how different people perceive storywriting, but IMO, his words at that time also had his own desires mixed with the orders from his senior Harbinger. Senior Harbingers do give out orders to junior ones but they participate in events on their own violation too. In Sumeru it was mainly a joint collaboration between Doctor and Grand Sage Azar but it was done infront of Scaramouche and he gave his approval in becoming the God. Coming to the point of Teppei, people now do say that those who dislike Scara mention Teppei because of "being salty" so let me rephrase my words as that wasn't my intention. Scaramouche didn't exactly mock Teppei only. He started the conversation by mentioning Traveler's friend being a "lost cause" and then he spoke in general targeting all resistance soliders. Your point of him not wanting to kill Nahida and traveler at start of Sumeru archon quest is indeed correct. He just wanted us no not cause any hindrance in his final path of becoming a true god and that's correct point. As for the traveler you're again right. The Traveler isn't a complete pure soul either. Traveler did kill the entire last members of Iwakura clan and probably many hilichurls (not writing countless, as canon Traveler has killed less then us as player) even after knowing their identity. Now, I did say in my 1st comment that moreover I am glad dure to his and Nahida's collaboration as we will get to experience the story of the anti-hero Wanderer who also helps Nahida and also the traveler which I'm very excited to see. But once again, my opinion stays that I for myself dislike the character "Scaramouche" and "Kunikuzushi" and to be honest I do not dislike the character "Wanderer" as much as I dislike the other two.
@@cosmickaustav fair enough then, I suppose it just comes down to people's own thresholds for forgiveness and empathy. At least you seem to like the direction Wanderer is headed, and that's more than some other people who refuse to empathize with him entirely. I personally always liked Scaramouche because I knew he wasn't who he was pretending to be from the moment we got even a little lore on his background, and I've always been empathetic to him because that's the kind of treatment he would've needed to reaffirm him and show him that humanity isn't so inherently evil. He has committed evil acts in the past, but everything he did was emotionally driven and impulsive, and it was in response to losing people he cared about and I'm able to forgive someone for acting impulsively as long as they can aknowledge their mistakes and improve themselves, which he has now and even as Scaramouche he already had stopped senselessly killing the swordsmiths because he realized that revenge was meaningless.
I agree that HYV built up his redemption arc really well, making us want it. But I still don't like the execution of said redemption. He wandering the lands freely, and everyone forgetting about him and his past actions, is like every criminal wet dream come true. No price to pay, whatsoever.
"How Hoyoverse Made Us Crave Scaramouche's Redemption In One Word" Who is `us`? His story is basically "My past was soooo sad, so pls forgive my murders, you see how sad I am now, pls forget."
He didn't get redemption thoo? He didn't try to make everyone forget about himself and his sins, but literally he wanted to commit unalive the way it could bring his friends back. When he lost memories he wanted to face the consequences of his sins and regain those memories. After he regained memories he started working for Nahida as her shade( just like Ei did to Makoto). He did even show that he wants to face the punishment for his sins by letting Kazuha and Kamisato siblings kill him when they meet Scaramouche. It isn't redemption, just a beginning of it
If Irminsul only changes memories then how come letters and books and other physical things change? No matter how many times people say it, it's just not true. MiHoyo went out of their way to change the text of books, physical books. Irminsul changes the past. Therefore Scaramouche never killed those blacksmiths.
He did kill the blacksmiths. Irminsoul not only changes memories but also data, but it CAN'T change the past nor the timeline. Imagine Irminsoul as a computer in a school that has all the data on their students. Imagine student A got into a fight with student B and breaks their leg and that incident is recorded into student A's profile. If we now delete their profile all the data associated to him will be also deleted, but just because the incident isn't recorded in the computer it doesn't mean it didn't happen. Student B's leg is still broken. Irminsoul works like this, just add that everything deleted from Irminsoul is also deleted from everyone's memories and records.
The "how" of the events unfolded in the original timeline change, however the events themselves do not (not in a major way atleast). And because Wanderer did certain things in the true timeline, the ripples of his actions still affect history. The Irminsul doesnt seem to like changing the timeline too much so while the person stops existing, the actions they took and their consequences still exist, even if by another person. If Wanderer had never done these things they would have not happened even when he erased himself from the timeline
Irminsul cannot change the past, and we know that because of Rhukkadevata. When Rhukkadevata got deleted, Irminsul decided to place the blame onto Nahida and not King Deshret nor the Goddess of Flowers. Nahida couldn't have done those deeds because she didn't exist yet. Nahida could not have been transported into the past to be the one to commit Rhukkadevata's deeds, because she would have been corrupted by forbidden knowledge. Rather, what happened is a similar case as how Azar wasn't able to see Nahida despite Nahida still being in her chamber/prison. Essentially, I believe Irminsul can only affect the present.
@@DavidJohnson-ib1dh it's not a theory, Irminsoul can't change the past. I never said Irminsoul can't change books. What Irminsoul does is record data. If that data is deleted from Irminsoul, it changes not only memories but every record there is on the deleted information. Like I said, it's like a computer connected to everyone and everything in Teyvat.
Idk If this is the 'full' redemption, I'm kinda gonna be disappointed. He gets to just remove himself from the timeline and suddenly everything's better? At least it was interesting when he was still considered a harbinger. It just feels like a cop out .
Maybe this is a hot take, but I really don't like how they handled Scara's story; they had a really, really good thing going with the other 3.x chapters but IMO they vaulted over an entire shiver of sharks with this whole retconning business... immediately after the first retcon, no less. IMO it would have been far more interesting to see Scara have to deal with the direct consequences of his actions as the story progressed - the Fatui, having to deal with Ei and his effects on Inazuman history... but not anymore I guess. To me it feels like they wrote him into a corner they didn't want to maneuver him out of (probably because it would take far too much time to do so competently while also trying to tell the Traveler and everyone else's stories), and so they just retconned everything to simplify his path to redemption. Now to be fair there's some weirdness with this retcon like his Harbinger seat still being open; I find it hard to believe that someone wouldn't have taken his place after all that time unless they know he still exists - and possibly what he did - in some form - especially after establishing a loophole to get around this whole memory-erasure business. So maybe there's going to be some complications or contrivances with his 'erasure' that come up later... but as-is I don't like how they just retconned away the consequences of his past misdeeds.
You guys actually care about him? As a person that started genshin in 1.2, i didn't really care for him because of his personality. His story is interesting, yes, but it's probably because im more of a waifu person. Also, his personality (before his redemption) was just not it to be honest
But had he been a waifu? A cute, really powerful tsunderu waifu with mommy issues and a tragic backstory? Him being male is what stops most people from liking him
@@kirwee14333you're not the only one. when you think you don't like a male character, ask yourself "but had he been a girl?" And try to ask yourself why him being male changes everything and even makes you despise him lol
@@nimueh4072 I think the reason I didn’t like him was because of his personality. He just seemed rude and unsociable, even to his comrades. However, after his redemption arc, he seemed more approachable, and I started to actually care about his existence. His story was really compelling, and I’m even regretting not including him as a character.
I still wanted him to die. The whole irmansul incident is (or at least feels) a very cheap way to "redeem" him. They essentially just removed his past sins from history as if that's a good redemption arc. The only reason he even THINKS he has to redeem himself is because they essentially overwrote a mentally ill phychopath into a technically innocent and nice person. Just because "ohh irmansul doesn't technically change the past" that doesn't mean that his redemption is deserved or even warranted and in my opinion it made the character even worse because now all the blame for his sins go to random people or events. Scara didn't get "redeemed" , he tried to take the easy way out of fixing his problems and that just made his redemption arc into his servitude to nahida and actively destroyed any chance for his character too change in an essential way instead of "haha let's copy and paste the files from the old robot to the new one thus killing the new one only leaving leftover files whooppssz". I never cared for scara before the archon quest and now I actively dislike him and his "character" arc
So I feel the need to correct that conception. They did NOT delete his past sins. Irmunsul doesn’t rewrite time, it only changes how people remember it and thusly how it is recorded. This is why no-one was altered in any meaningful way, AND why everyone who died still died. (Such as Teppei ect) Now it is Wanderer’s job to try as he might to accept responsibility and seek to make reparations for his past transgressions. (He still did those things, history just doesn’t remember he was the one responsible)
Bro...Irminsul doesn't rewrite history. Did you even play the quest??? Because he says himself at the end of the quest that he plans on telling the descendants of the blacksmiths that he destroyed the Raiden Gokaden and I quote "let them stab me in the chest. It's probably what should've happened." 3.3 Interlude was less of a redmeption arc and more of a beginning for a redemption arc. He hasn't redeemed himself yet, but he made the intention. Also he didn't erase himself from Irminsul because he wanted to run away from his sins. He erased himself because he wanted the people that died to come back to life. He thought that by deleting himself, all the people that died because of him would come back to life. He said it HIMSELF: "All those who died because of me deserve a second chance." The dialogue is IN the quest, y'all can't read.
@@loola8908 yes I did play the quest, i just don't remember everything about it. And now that you are saying it's the beginning of a redemption arc, it makes more sense but knowing mihoyo they will not do anything more with it until the last 10 minutes of the story before his death or something similar. But I feel like scara still got away with it too easy, he didn't get to suffer the consequences of being a fatuus hamburger and he didn't get to suffer the consequences of killing the blacksmiths. At least not yet and probably never cause nobody knows what happened anymore other than the traveler, paimon, nahida and whoever the voice is. And I feel like he wouldn't even consider redeeming himself if scara's memories weren't put in the wanderer (who is a person that is kind and has the capacity for empathy unlike the fatuus scara)
@@codeunknown2761 You know fair enough, I have been feeling rather frustrated about the way they dealt with scara as a character. Not because I cared about him before the quest, but because he could have been so much more. And I probably shouldn't have started with "I wanted him to die"
