How I built my bathroom & shower with green FOAM!

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Hydroblok’s shower wall boards and floor pans are made of 3 main components. The first layer is a fiberglass mesh that provides reinforcement through tensile and flexural strength. The second component is a gray polymer-modified cementitious coating. This custom-engineered material increases the waterproof characteristics and strength of the panel. The third component is the inner green core is made of a closed cell XPS or extruded polystyrene foam. Hydroblok uses a foam free of HCFCs or hydrochlorofluorocarbons, so it has no ozone depletion potential.
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@75blackviking 10 месяцев назад

The coolest part about Belinda is that she actually PERSONALLY TESTS the products she discusses, then pulls no punches on the assessment.

@BelindaCarr 10 месяцев назад

Thank you!! I tell every company I work with that my video & review will be unbiased. I really appreciate that you recognize it :)

@wischmopps293 10 месяцев назад

She says "it costs". Not "we payed". It feels like an advertisement and the cons like "my weakness is that I work to hard".... Directly saying how to fix the weaknesses. I bet she didn't payed. Unfortunately it's 3rd world country USA (I assume) and no eu regulation for forcing content creators to mark videos as advertisment is in place... And getting the stuff for free is also advertisment

@CalebSylvest 11 месяцев назад

Belinda, can we get a hardcore comparison between Hydroblok, Schluter System, and Laticrete?

@Vertilgen 11 месяцев назад

I did two bathrooms with a similar product in France. Works great! You can use the thicker panels to provide insulation on outside walls and the thinner ones can be used to cover irregular/old plaster (or concrete) walls.

@alastairdallas 11 месяцев назад

I would be interested in a comparison of Hydroblok and Schluter system. And/or details of the conventional cement board system they replace.

@maxadrian 10 месяцев назад

Cement board is shit. Cement board stays wet for the full half inch. It gets mildewy and stinks over time. Hydro-blok boards are waterproof after the first millimeter of depth. And may never get wet if you seal your grout well. Don't be afraid of it. It has been used in Europe for many years. The West is always slow to adopt new building techniques and materials. You don't need to build a concrete bunker for a bathroom. Expansion joints in all the suspect areas and you are golden. Try it. You'll think you died and went to heaven. You'll be saying, "Everything is so light and easy to work with. The days of sloped mortar beds and dusty heavy cement panels that crack and give you a backache are over!

@maxadrian 11 месяцев назад

I've been using Hydro-blox for a number of years now. I first started using the foam panel products when I discovered Wedi Board. It's an OK product but the Hydro blok panels are stiffer and denser. Using 1/2" concrete panels for shower walls is so last century. They are heavy and awkward and dirty. The foam panels are so light in comparison and can be cut easily with a matte knife. The development of these products is such a huge revolution for bathroom design, cleanliness and longevity. I love Hydro-Blok.

@BelindaCarr 10 месяцев назад

Thanks for sharing your experience!

@HYDROBLOKCOM 10 месяцев назад

Thanks for sharing your experience with using our HYRDO-BLOK. That means a lot to us!!

@julesverneinoz 8 месяцев назад

How does this compare to my ideal shower enclosure material: fibreglass mould or acrylic walls? They seem to be similar price-wise.

@maxadrian 8 месяцев назад

This material offers flexibility in being able to quickly shape it to any wall design. It is similar to the versatility of a sheet of drywall. You can easily create a curved shower wall enclosure. Customize it to your needs. The pre-sloped shower pans can easily be customized as well. And the sealant is what sticks it all together of course with the washers and screws too. You can cut it all with a utility knife. I used to make the two layered mortar shower pans with the membrane. What used to take me 3 days now takes me 3 hours. The panels are super lite weight. No worries about screws below the curb-line. I'd be happy to answer any questions. :) @@julesverneinoz

@julesverneinoz 8 месяцев назад

Thanks for the response @@maxadrian . You confirmed my conjecture that this material is best suited for customized bathrooms (those who don't like the plain look of and far easier maintenance of fibreglass mould or acrylic walls). Do you still need to regularly clean the grout with this material, since (potentially) there's no grouting?

@juancarrera5524 11 месяцев назад

A tip for using the sausage tube caulk guns. Insert the unopened tube into the gun, then pierce a few holes in the top of the tube and screw on the nozzle. After that trim the nozzle and squeeze out the product. When the product is out you can unscrew the nozzle an pump out the casing without making a mess inside the tool. Cutting the tube and inserting into the back of the gun as shown in the video will make a mess and may jam the gun. I bet Belinda did it this way for the sake of the video 😊.

@flyinpolack6633 11 месяцев назад

You beat me to it. They work great if done properly

@juancarrera5524 11 месяцев назад

@@flyinpolack6633 Yeah, and the reduced waste and nozzle flexibility are a big plus. The guns are usually better built and higher leverage too! Wish big box stores stocked product in this format.

@MountainMan-ri2lr 11 месяцев назад

@@juancarrera5524 What's with everyone calling caulk "product"? I've only ever noticed that from the makeup people. Is there overlap with this channel and the makeup crowd? Personally it feels like a brainwashy word to use, conditioning us to believe that all things are meant to be "products" sold by corporations for profit, a.k.a. consumerism.

@juancarrera5524 11 месяцев назад

@@MountainMan-ri2lr lol I call it product because those tubes get shipped with other stuff than caulk sometimes.

@SirHorned19 11 месяцев назад

@@MountainMan-ri2lr That's some tinfoil nonsense right there...

@laurais4047 10 месяцев назад

Looks like Wedi. We used Wedi to do our shower and it's just so easy. I love the wedi system.

@chrisforker7487 11 месяцев назад

I always learn something very useful in your videos! Very nice renovation!

@BelindaCarr 10 месяцев назад

Thank you!!

@maroman556 11 месяцев назад

Cost and time compared to value added to home is a win win.

@tayzonday 11 месяцев назад

Thanks for sharing!

@tatianaes3354 11 месяцев назад

Besides, Belinda is adorable.

@danielbuckner2167 10 месяцев назад

Hydroblock is good stuff, there are other brands too and that laminated foam panel type construction is more popular overseas. Tile still sucks and sadly i saw lots of grout joints but its ok for folks who cant afford panels. Those joints are messy for lots of folks (even pros!) so dont sweat it. If you are good at drywall the tape and joints are a little easier. Thanks!

@HYDROBLOKCOM 10 месяцев назад

Belinda, thank you for taking the time to use and share your thoughts and experiences with our HYDRO-BLOK. Your DIY shower simply looks amazing!

@juleshermes3124 Месяц назад

This sounds almost exactly like the situation I have with the house I bought last year. Great video and alternative to traditional cement board. Thank you! Look forward to watching your other videos.

@MiroBG359 11 месяцев назад

the shower floor looks lovely

@maureenprice2189 10 месяцев назад

Keep it coming, Belinda. Love the research, tips & DIY tips. You go girl!

@kameljoe21 11 месяцев назад

I have only done one tile job and I used that red water proofing stuff. I did 2 full walls and the entire bathroom floor. We did an open shower. While it worked quite well not all the water drained off. I wish I would have added a 2nd sub layer floor and then cut a board with a very sharp taper for the shower area and glued and sanded it down so that way the shower had a sort of pan. Using some thin panel boards to help taper it down even more. Then installed the red water proofing stuff and then the tile work. It was meant to help someone who might one day need a better access to the shower with out a lip. It was super cool and is likely gone now. My current shower is a 2 piece fiberglass kit with a seat in it. I quite like that one a lot better. My next one is going to be one of those 2 piece kits with the roof section and the widest they make. I would love to find one that is 7 feet long and 5 feet wide with the roof cap and a really nice door. Though I am considering doing a tile one yet I do not want to have a raised tile section above my finished concrete floor. Kinda want one that you step down in to. I want to install 6 of those stainless steel hand pumps that are built right in to the wall.

@75blackviking 10 месяцев назад

I love, love, love your channel. So much interesting technology and practical, objective information.

@maluasuncion9610 5 месяцев назад

Nice... kudos on the renovation...

@Sandra-Armstrong 10 месяцев назад

Belinda, your videos are so timely... thank you!!! Please consider adding DYI training videos. 🙏🏽 I would love to see a more detailed step-by-step version of this video.

@livelife261 10 месяцев назад

Belinda, you are the best.

@capillarysystem 10 месяцев назад

I wish there were more channels like yours

@choryferguson2196 10 месяцев назад

Cool product!

@deerhunter7482 10 месяцев назад

Hands on working woman, I love it ! Great job!

@WontSeeReplies 11 месяцев назад

I’m a sucker for the 1970s brown and cream living rooms.

@byronholman9228 10 месяцев назад

Great Video

@Yygggdrasil 11 месяцев назад

very informative as always -

@BelindaCarr 10 месяцев назад

Thank you!

@robbehr8806 11 месяцев назад

Thanks!

@raymondpeters9186 10 месяцев назад

Good job 😊

@BelindaCarr 10 месяцев назад

Thanks!

@smojovi 10 месяцев назад

Great video. Can you do a test with soaking a piece in water for a month (or more) to do a mold test? Maybe a side by side with some of the other shower foam systems.

@Flyingrabbit2222 11 месяцев назад

Thank you! Great product review! Love things I can do on my own.

@kornadrak 10 месяцев назад

To avoid mess while working with caulk mix water with soap, apply it on hands and caulk when it’s pumped out on your surface. Much easier to wipe it off and you can spread caulk along with a finger. Look for a “magic wipes” or “wonder wipes” in any hardware store to wipe off harder stains from caulk or any other sticky, greasy substances.

@michaelschneider- 11 месяцев назад

+1 .. Luv the channel and content! Long time subscriber. .. Off with the gloves: 5:23 . .. Have a thorough townhouse remodel in Denver's Cherry Creek North community. .. It's a 2-story Thse with a full basement, a 1985 build-method construction; Plenty of enhancement strategies in our favor . . . . Cheers, Vail, Colorado

@jawkeye 11 месяцев назад

Very impressive, nice work!

@k4x4map46 11 месяцев назад

nice!!

@PlanetFrosty 10 месяцев назад

Great job! I’m going consider these products.

@quantafreeze 11 месяцев назад

Very cool. I've never heard of this, thank you.

@csours 11 месяцев назад

The lack of a separate plastic liner would concern me. I believe them when they say that it's a water-tight system, I'd just like more peace of mind

@danielbuckner2167 10 месяцев назад

Double water membranes are bad juju! If water weeps into them it sits there and rots stuff or causes mildew and mold. Better to enter the wall assembly and migrate out into climate controlled space. If it is a big leak then its a tear out if it cant be remedied outside the shower wall assembly anyway.

@GrantSR 11 месяцев назад

Under-estimating problems and over-estimating abilities are just about the only kinds of estimating that even exist.

@BelindaCarr 10 месяцев назад

Lol. That's very true.

@GroovyMisfit 11 месяцев назад

Very nice job!! Thanks for sharing this information. Did you turn the two x fours on the flat against the wall studs in the shower? Can you explain more of why you did that?

@BelindaCarr 10 месяцев назад

Thanks! I had to build out the back wall because there was a 4" PVC vent pipe running vertically.

@hp7093 11 месяцев назад

Good job. You have to be very careful with the shower floor. Very prone to leak

@myperspective5091 11 месяцев назад

I like the idea of this product. It seems to be innovative.👍

@Surfitrob 10 месяцев назад

Informative, great job! Thanks again.

@shroommcfanta2020 10 месяцев назад

Walking closets and showers seemed to be always somewhere else when you need them

@tommorgan2541 10 месяцев назад

Well done! Love your finished product. Good inspiration for a forthcoming bathroom project. Like others, I would love a comparison of other shower backer/ tile systems.

@AaronHope_Sow 10 месяцев назад

That is expensive but for the peace of mind as a DIYer it’s gotta be worth it. I wouldn’t expect an experienced contractor to use it though just because there are cheaper options where they can still compete and make their margins. Then again, the speed of the product could help them finish jobs faster which will in turn get them to the next job faster.

@kellywilliams5406 10 месяцев назад

Belinda you are wonderful thank you for all that you do! ❤ I was wondering if you ever reviewed Prodex 10m insulation? My husband is all about it but I have a hard time believing their claims, despite ASTM and ICC-ES certs. Wondering at your expert opinion.

@apex007 11 месяцев назад

Did you guys add a new drain pipe for the shower yourselves or did you hire that out?

@r.1599 11 месяцев назад

Showers...I'd love for someone to introduce ShowerDome to North America. It's a dome over the shower that catches the rising humidity and condenses it so it runs back down. It prevents the bathroom from getting all steamy.

@mikenotta7079 11 месяцев назад

Ventilation fan or whole house dehumidifier will take care of any moisture. This was an old home and probably not built to the code at the time or modified with cheap in mind.

@r.1599 11 месяцев назад

@@mikenotta7079 I think you're implying that a ShowerDome is a poor man's alternative to ventilation. Not so. It greatly reduces free moisture so those other methods are even more effective. ShowerDomes are used in all kinds of homes in Australia, New Zealand and Britain. For some reason, North America hasn't been introduced to them.

@danielbuckner2167 10 месяцев назад

@@r.1599 how they work is by redirecting condensate so it doesn't stop the air from being steamy but rather directed the condensate back down quicker. Think of a tagine. They work well for what they do of course and showers dry quicker afterwards but an exhaust fan will help as well during and after.

@danielbuckner2167 10 месяцев назад

@@r.1599 Bath fans have not always been required everywhere. Even today a window will meet the ventilation code requirements in most areas but nobody under 45 knows that windows open. Even when they were installed they often become blocked as they dumped into attics and insulation gets blown over in later years.

@r.1599 10 месяцев назад

@@danielbuckner2167 Yes, exactly. It catches the steam in the dome and the steam condensates into water which then trickles down to the bottom of the shower and down the drain. Naturally one would also have an exhaust fan to catch steam that escaped when you open the stall, especially if you have done as Belinda has done, and have a clothes closet right off of the the bathroom. I was fixing up my uncle's house after he passed away, and the scenario you describe with the exhaust fan had happened; the exhaust hose from the fan to outside had fallen off the exhaust hole in the roof, and had been exhausting moisture into his attic for years. Since the attic was well-insulated, it wasn't too much work to clean it all up and reattach the hose, but it could have been much worse. The bathroom in my mother's apartment doesn't have an exhaust fan, so it's usually damp in there. She opens the window during a shower, but that's a bit chilly in winter and shouldn't really be necessary in a North American apartment building.

@JanesDough855 11 месяцев назад

Thank you for sharing this information with people. I think your updated bathroom is gorgeous!

@bearsstuff 11 месяцев назад

Curious how this compares to the Kerddie (sp?) system.

@lynneforesman1647 9 месяцев назад

How does this compare to the other systems available?

@pcatful 11 месяцев назад

Looks great! I think I'd still add a moisture barrier over the studs behind the board, Not sure how I'd terminate it though.

@danielbuckner2167 10 месяцев назад

Dont do that. It creates the possibility of the "moisture sandwich". If you are short on faith then apply a liquid membrane to the front instead.

@pcatful 10 месяцев назад

@@danielbuckner2167 OK. I see what you mean.

@rorybellamy2533 11 месяцев назад

I am impressed ! to cut heavy dura rock or wonder board requires power cutting tools and wheels and lots of cutting dust, and a Aqua sealer red coat

@multipotentialite 9 месяцев назад

Are the fasteners just hot dipped galvanized? Or is there something special about them to make them "rust proof"?

@daviddorge1559 11 месяцев назад

Do you have another channel where you showed your work on this? I speak for myself but I think you’d get many views on following your journey with the Reno’s

@BelindaCarr 10 месяцев назад

I tried to make renovation videos on the Carr Builds channel but it's not for me. Setting up cameras and filming every step takes ages! I prefer to get stuff done asap lol.

@Mukundanghri 11 месяцев назад

I have been trying to find out with no luck what is the weight of the 3'x5'x1.5". Any help in this matter?

@Ed-jg3ud 11 месяцев назад

I know this was sponsored but would have been nice to compare this system to a Ditra system using standard cement board as substrate backer. For a small shower I would think the Ditra route would be about half the cost (closer to $1000)

@danielbuckner2167 10 месяцев назад

Schluter is high priced. There are identical products for far less made in the USA and in Canada!

@maycatyuiop 10 месяцев назад

How does it compare to schluter?

@cornelljames3449 11 месяцев назад

Great video, I wish you would have included total time and cost for materials.

@BelindaCarr 10 месяцев назад

Thanks! I mentioned the cost (around $2000) and the time (a single weekend) for the Hydroblok panels.

@cornelljames3449 10 месяцев назад

@BelindaCarr sorry I missed it, thanks for the reply!

@LVanessaMoreira 2 месяца назад

Luke this material can you please tell me how to get it in Portugal? Im a distributer

@geraldclayburn8543 9 месяцев назад

Cost would prevent me as a DIYer from using any of these systems. I use redi-tile niches and cement board with membrane. I have also bought fiberglass shower pans. All told I think the cost if probably 1/2 for just as good a result (Some might argue about the shower pan I am sure). Were I a professional I think the extra cost might be worth the time savings of a system like this. But my time isn't worth enough to justify it. I have done 2 bathrooms in my home and have the 3rd one torn out and ready to start the installation.

@Czechbound 11 месяцев назад

Amateur comment : Seems expensive. But what is the comparison price for a tiled walls and a moulded base ? I know nothing

@rep-vile 11 месяцев назад

Hey Belinda the microphone audio 'sibilance' is extremely high in your videos, it's the sharp (S) sounds when speaking. I would like to enjoy watching your videos if it weren't for that issue.

@BelindaCarr 10 месяцев назад

It bothers me too! I've tested different ways to fix it in Adobe Audition without success. I'm working on it!

@marksadventures3889 10 месяцев назад

The cost is prohibitive but the uses a boon. I had in mind a shower unit for a bus/van conversion due to the weight issue. I could save considerably using such products. But the cost, ouch.

@multipotentialite 9 месяцев назад

What happens after 25 years? Do you need to remove the tiles and re-apply the sealant?

@mikhailarey1196 10 месяцев назад

How did you upgrade the ventilation in this space?

@BelindaCarr 10 месяцев назад

Two supply registers and I installed an exhaust vented through the roof! Massive difference.

@mikhailarey1196 10 месяцев назад

@@BelindaCarr Thought you might have invested in an ERV. The tighter the house envelope the less likely you are exhausting any air.

@DesertHomesteader 11 месяцев назад

I'm wondering how this product will hold up over time to cleaning. I'm not sold...yet.

@danielbuckner2167 10 месяцев назад

Just as bad as anything with tile on it. Tile means grout and absolutely nobody likes grout. Its only good for collecting dead skin, dirt, oils, mold, etc.

@justice4g 11 месяцев назад

I hate stud walls so much, everything is double brick around here with internal brick walls but extensions are often done with stud walls, ours is so troublesome due what happens when you have any issues with moisture

@danielbuckner2167 10 месяцев назад

This is like hating trees because your car has no brakes.

@justice4g 10 месяцев назад

@@danielbuckner2167 more like I hate cars made of cardboard because they're weak and flimsy and no good in the rain

@danielbuckner2167 10 месяцев назад

@@justice4g Not really but ok. Stud walls work well in some environments better than cbus because of lower thermal bridging. Either can be insulated to solve that but there are concerns as wood studs can be cut from regular lumber or engineered as can be renewable as a result. CBUs can at best be made from recycled waste but seldom are and conrete production alone accounts for almost 9% of greenhouse gases plus it is not renewable and is highly destructive through mining processes. I like CBUs, concrete AND wood along with steel and even some earthy upchcled materials but there is no perfect building material. Concrete and stone can last but not if they have rebar without constant cathodic and protection and I have personally seen wood door lentils still holding up almost two thousand years later unprotected in a humid environment so one size doesnt fkt all... or everybody. When building talk to your architect, materials engineer, and builder about balancing what is best and personal preferences.

@justice4g 10 месяцев назад

@@danielbuckner2167 yeah and I was just stating my personal preference -> double brick, I know on its own it's not the best insulator but it's not really needed here, what I like is it's not going to crack or warp as long as it's on a solid foundation, doesn't need regular maintenance/painting can handle roof or gutter leaks or even full on flood and you can drill into and attach things to it anywhere.

@danielbuckner2167 10 месяцев назад

@@justice4g Sure its def got its benefits... I like the lack of paint just like stucco or charred wood(I forget the Japanese name)! It can be hard for some people to mount things if they dont have a hammer drill but that's just a learning curve thing. It can handle moisture with no issue as long as it dries out quick 3nough to not mold just like pressure treated wood but I wouldn't let get it get too saturated. Have fun!👍🏻

@tanklergaming103 10 месяцев назад

Are you industrial engineer

@suboo9682 10 месяцев назад

Feel like the bathroom would have looked nicer if the shower had some glass

@BelindaCarr 10 месяцев назад

We were going for an enclosed, cave-like feel.

@patrickmckowen2999 11 месяцев назад

Looks like a nice product. I've used the Schluter system twice but this looks simpler so I will review more for our master bathroom remodel this winter. Not sure why you cut the shower pan to put walls inserted into it. To me this creates a natural path for water to flow into should the caulking fail. Walls sitting on top of the pan allowing the water to go only toward the drain, unless you have a backup, IMHO. Like with the Schluter system, I might not trust one hundred percent and throw on a coat of RedGard. Cheers

@danielbuckner2167 10 месяцев назад

Agreed on water flow but the channel is to "capture" the wall panel lower edge better and maintain a straight angle.

@zandemen 11 месяцев назад

0:06 got to stop you only a few seconds in; did you undermount that sink in butcherblock? You're not worried about water ingress in the exposed end grain?

@BelindaCarr 10 месяцев назад

Yes, I chose to use an undermount sink (found the perfect one at ReStore/Habitat for Humanity). I used 5 coats of marine grade polyurethane on all the faces of the butcher block. Water's not getting through that!

@Chris-op7yt 10 месяцев назад

i'd love a walk in shower, without doors and all that comes with that. it was probably the original way of showers, until bathrooms shrunk and they designed high maintenance closing showers.

@rockys7726 11 месяцев назад

I think the cost would need to come down for me to want to use this system. Compared to cement board and red guard this is like 3 times the cost. I don't see much of an advantage other than more environmentally friendly materials.

@dailaffin9066 10 месяцев назад

Are you available

@bobjoatmon1993 10 месяцев назад

I don't mind that this video was basically just an advertisement because otherwise I'd never hear about the product nor any instructions on how to use it.

@SuperMassman 10 месяцев назад

😮... I bet you scare a lot of men with your intelligence... There loss. Love your videos, please keep it up 👍

@chandan4156 10 месяцев назад

Do you have your operations in India?

@thetaomega7816 10 месяцев назад

pretty sure you have to state this video is an ad/sponsored

@BelindaCarr 10 месяцев назад

I did. It's tagged as a sponsored video. I also explicitly tell every company I work with that I will remain unbiased. If a product sucks, I will say so.

@Marconius6 10 месяцев назад

Honestly my biggest complaint here is you made the whole thing grey like a prison shower... the tiled grey look seems a bit too minimalist, even if the pattern breaks it up a bit. But maybe it looks better in person, it wasn't really the focus of this video.

@maycatyuiop 10 месяцев назад

Kind of views like an advertisement.

@BelindaCarr 10 месяцев назад

I replied to another comment about this. I remain unbiased with every company I work with. If a product sucks, I will say so.

@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461 11 месяцев назад

GREAT JOB 🤗 BELINDA…SUCH PRODUCTS WERE NOT AVAILABLE WHEN I WAS WORKING 🤷‍♂️🥹 but the cost 💲 if it lasts would be a BARGAIN IMHHO…COST IS ALWAYS THE REASON BUILDERS CUT CORNERS,Leaving the home owners to deal with it later and much more expensive,than doing it right the first time 💚💚💚