How I Designed a Free Music Font for 5 Million Musicians (MuseScore 3.6)

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This video covers how I designed a music notation font for MuseScore 3.6, in collaboration with my friend Simon Smith, a professional engraving expert. Apart from MuseScore's 5 million users, this font is available for free for anyone to download and use. Along the way, I also discuss the inspiration for our font: an application called SCORE, created by Leland Smith.
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@justinma 3 года назад

tantacrul: you can see some obvious differences me: hmm yes

@zenobardot 3 года назад

Once I had my eyes surgically replaced with bionic super-eyes, it all became quite obvious.

@powerlucario 3 года назад

This was me pretty much the whole video but I still enjoyed it

@PrinceWesterburg 3 года назад

My dad was a printer, I was in DTP from the 80's and animation from the 90's. To me they all looked hugely different. Wow, NOW I discover my super power!

@rohiogerv22 3 года назад

@@PrinceWesterburg I know what you mean, but if I were being deliberately obtuse, "my dad was a printer" might give me a good giggle.

@seumemel 3 года назад

Kkkkk

@hamman91 3 года назад

MuseScore is turning into the Blender of music notation. Not taken seriously at first, yet slowly becoming the dominating application, despite being free.

@billylauwda9178 3 года назад

Yes

@ur.kr.2814 3 года назад

I think DaVinci Resolve is similar for video-editing.

@p4u1 3 года назад

@@ur.kr.2814 But MuseScore and Blender are Open Source

@tams805 3 года назад

@@ur.kr.2814 DaVinci Resolve is great and all, but it's not open source. They're a great and generous company, but there's no guarantee that the software won't one day get locked away unlike* Score. Blender can do some video editing for what it's worth. *edited to 'unlike' as 'like' was wrong.

@MCLooyverse 3 года назад

Yeah, but still my dad tries Sibelius and Dorico. Stop it. Get some help.

@DBruce 3 года назад

Musescore and RU-vid and the Internet and the World are lucky to have you.😄

@JBergmansson 3 года назад

It couldn't have been said better!!!

@Dominik-K 3 года назад

Can only agree!

@twingnagna 3 года назад

David You are the best 😘

@UniversalDirp 3 года назад

yes

@CosmicTeapot 3 года назад

Seeing David compliment Tantacrul in the comments is as pleasantly surprising as a Picardy Third

@DBruce 3 года назад

I think we need a t-shirt with Simon on it.

@simondavidsmith 3 года назад

Be careful what you wish for.

@icebearisicebear 3 года назад

NEW ALL

@danielray5051 3 года назад

Or a Simon with a t-shirt on it.

@parp 3 года назад

We will honour Simon

@ListeningIn 3 года назад

Yes please

@kirjian 3 года назад

Tantacrul: this looks okay... Simon: it's not good Tantacrul: it's not good Me: it's not good

@OrangeC7 3 года назад

Me: wow that looks cool Simon: it's not cool Me: wow that treble clef SUCKS who would design something like that

@Brunosky_Inc Год назад

So-called "free thinkers" when Simon says it's not good

@BirdThatEatsPrometheussLiver Год назад

@@Brunosky_Inc I mean, but, Simon Said

@DavidLovrien 3 года назад

15:06 Putting a tremolo on a 32nd or 64th note should carry legal penalties

@timbeaton5045 3 года назад

It's ok at 30 BPM, I guess!

@MichaelOnines 3 года назад

Maybe request that as a feature in musescore: notify law enforcement and tax authorities if tremolo applied to short duration notes.

@stephenmorton8017 3 года назад

something Zappa would demand.

@adrianv.v.4445 3 года назад

Agreed

@reidflemingworldstoughestm1394 3 года назад

and harsh ones at that

@AdamNeely 3 года назад

As somebody who has regularly half-assed engraving in Sibelius for big band charts to give to players to sight-read, this whole video gave me lots of anxiety. Great job!

@Tantacrul 3 года назад

Thanks very much, Adam!

@sharpfang 3 года назад

Sibelius crashed.

@redundantqwail9088 3 года назад

DEFGECD

@fleepysneepersbleepers6146 3 года назад

The absolutely wasted opertunity in all these lic replies, not one of which is formatted how you would input it in Score, smh.

@insidiosity 3 года назад

D E F G E C D

@FrostKiwi 3 года назад

As a programmer, who is mostly divorced from the Design aspect, this is Gold. I cannot thank you enough for this one-of-a-kind insight into artistic minutia, as this helps me think about my interface design a lot more. Stuff like this is really hard to come by. Also it is endlessly funny to me, how you went from shitposting software critique with comical amounts of blood and gore, to being involved with design, to straight up being a project lead. I love the 21st century. I was a musician and composer in my past life and now work in software. Seeing how you manage both is a true inspiration.

@quatricise 3 года назад

Tantacrul used to work for Microsoft and probably some other companies too. He isn't just some random guy who started complaining about software on youtube.

@FrostKiwi 3 года назад

@@quatricise Fully aware. I meant the progression from critiquing MuseScore from the outside, to leading it from the inside.

@quatricise 3 года назад

@@FrostKiwi It caught me off guard too, when I first learned that. Wasn't expecting at all.

@Beakerbite 3 года назад

@@FrostKiwi "I challenge you to do better", and he did.

@simpumoon 10 месяцев назад

What was your name in your past life?

@cartoonpower0 3 года назад

Tanta: Shows symbol Me: oh, yea that looks pretty good Tanta: and this is a horrible atrocity Me: oh yea youre right that sucks Tanta: heres the 2nd version i made Me: ok now thats perfect Tanta: and that was also a horrible mistake Me: 😐

@beepbeepimasheep237beepbee3 3 года назад

386 likes lesgo

@suomeaboo Год назад

@@beepbeepimasheep237beepbee3 The number of cents in a 5/4 interval (rounded off to the nearest whole number).

@baksoBoy Год назад

@@suomeaboo my brain is melting trying to process that

@nutronstar45 Месяц назад

@@suomeaboo what is a 5/4 interval

@suomeaboo Месяц назад

@@nutronstar45 the interval between two notes with a frequency ratio of 4:5 (like 400 hertz and 500 hertz for example), it's about 3.86 semitones or 386 cents (a cent is 1% of a semitone)

@BrianKrock 3 года назад

“You might think this looks ok, but, no. It’s actually a malformed atrocity.” Typography Dysmorphia Disorder is real- seek help, Tantacrul. We love you!

@wug876 3 года назад

Designing your own font really is taking 'New All' to a whole new level!

@abdaf8706 3 года назад

Yet it become easier when you Quit Sibelius

@miatra4954 3 года назад

i like ur wug pfp

@nickpatella1525 3 года назад

An all new level

@RedHair651 3 года назад

Now there are two of them

@arrabax 3 года назад

WUG

@BenLevin 3 года назад

Simon seems like a character!

@yetanothermetaname1118 3 года назад

Do you mean a fictional character? We have no proof he is real.

@simondavidsmith 3 года назад

@@yetanothermetaname1118 I met him once. He was awful.

@mxchael_the_edamame 3 года назад

@@simondavidsmith are you ｈｉｍ？

@simondavidsmith 3 года назад

@@mxchael_the_edamame Yea, verily

@GRBtutorials 3 года назад

@@simondavidsmith IDK why, but I get the feeling you met him more than once...

@SGresponse 3 года назад

"An Unfortunate Mixture of Procrastination and Oversight" - there's an indie rock band name in this.

@musescore 3 года назад

AUMPO

@SGresponse 3 года назад

@@musescore Nope. It'd be either "UMPO" or "UMoPaO".

@blendomatik1368 3 года назад

@@SGresponse or : AnUMi OPAnO

@santoriomaker69 3 года назад

Sounds like a good album name for my life

@sierravanriel6906 3 года назад

@blendomatic Sounds like pseudo-Latin. Would make a perfect metal band

@icebearisicebear 3 года назад

Tanta: I think this looks cool Simon: No it doesnt Tanta: What should I change then? Simon: NEW ALL Edit: thanks for 1.8k+ likes means a lot!

@padraicfanning7055 3 года назад

Dear Werner, I considered our recent design issues with the Parts dialog, and I feel I have a solution… it's a button titled… 𝔑𝔢𝔴 𝔄𝔩𝔩. I feel this is far superior to any visible options that might populate our right panel. Its value is in its simplicity - combining, as it does, the essence of user desire… both the New and the All!!!

@trollbreeder2534 3 года назад

Dear Nicolas, I'm *_delighted_* by this suggestion and I propose we make it into our company mantra *ℕ𝕖𝕨 𝔸𝕝𝕝* I feel it speaks to our newness, to say nothing of our all-ness! ...and I'd like to celebrate by getting some *New All* stationary and let's get some *New All* T-shirts printed too... ...so i can shove a *New All* SPIKE STRAIGHT THROUGH MY FACE!

@YoutubePizzer 3 года назад

yeah when are the new all icons gonna be designed tanta wtf

@nodezsh 3 года назад

If I had it my way I'd fancy a New All button be hidden somewhere in MuseScore. It would do nothing. Perhaps it would allow you to press it only for it to dissappear or worse, stay pressed! Forever mocking you for your curiosity and making you hope you didn't break anything since whatever you did, it can't be undone. …Is this too much? Am I being too evil? Perhaps it's a good thing I'm not in charge of anything important.

@padraicfanning7055 3 года назад

@@nodezsh W- What do you mean ‘New All?’ What sort of copywriting is that? It feels like the person responsible was in the middle of trying to get the phrasing right, and then just had a stroke!

@EpicTyphlosionTV 3 года назад

Musescore Vol. 2: Muse Harder

@PentameronSV 3 года назад

Muuuuuuuuuuse Harder

@glumbortango7182 3 года назад

Mu Harder

@padraicfanning7055 3 года назад

_Muh._

@glumbortango7182 3 года назад

*MUH*

@noahkilgus9860 3 года назад

2 Muse 2 Score

@mikeoas 2 года назад

Just spotted what the music in Simon's SCORE demonstration actually is: the top line is from Shostakovich's 9th symphony, while the the bottom line includes Tantatheme, a couple of DSCHs and an enharmonically-spelled licc. :)

@Tantacrul 2 года назад

Top marks :)

@Lamadesbois 3 года назад

Man, as a typomaniac, musician and computer geek ; this… This struck every sweet spot in my nerdganism.

@Testgeraeusch 3 года назад

May i have a chat with you about our great Lord and Saviour, Donald Knuth?

@Lamadesbois 3 года назад

@@Testgeraeusch indeed! What content do you recommend?

@Testgeraeusch 3 года назад

@@Lamadesbois In chemistry lab; did all the equations and structures with chemfig; even for biochemistry. Put intermediate pages with quotes in yfont gothic in between chapters of my thesis. Set up a talk on differential interaction cross sections with coloured trajectory bundles because it made the steel ball target look like it was wearing a rainbow wig. Made a 32 by 18cm fanart gif in tikZ because i was too lazy to get into photoshop. That's roughly my level of TeX. Prior to that i had spend two years writing music in ascii fo a selfmade chiptune emulator, so i was already used to the wysiwym. I'm still a bit mad that i couldn't get lilypond syntax running with XeTeX.

@ThatOneIrishFurry 3 года назад

Its like i accidentally walked into an font production class with no prior knowledge and stayed beacause it entertaining

@Jrez 3 года назад

I love the way Leland named his software, "Score" and "Draw" its just so brave.

@ListeningIn 3 года назад

I’m going to call all treble clefs ‘Damien’ from now on. David’s right - the musical world is very lucky to have your astonishing attention to detail! Also, I finally understand why Boosey scores looks so good.

@Tantacrul 3 года назад

Thanks very much! Really appreciated. :)

@padraicfanning7055 3 года назад

Damien Maymdien.

@mapsynth1596 3 года назад

it's incredible how many things we common mortals take for granted whenever we use a piece of software or anything really.

@quinnouyang6050 3 года назад

Let's Play "Simon Says"! Simon: "It's not nice."

@Tantacrul 3 года назад

Yes. We've made that joke once or twice ;) That is to say I have. Incessantly.

@JairajSinghPatil 3 года назад

@@Tantacrul was this rhyme intentional?

@UberIsland 3 года назад

@@JairajSinghPatil Wait, did he edit out the ryhme? I am so confused.

@JairajSinghPatil 3 года назад

@@UberIsland Simon : "it's not nice" "Yes. We've made that joke once or twice" Was the rhyme 😂

@UberIsland 3 года назад

@@JairajSinghPatil Haha, I was trying so hard to get twice to rhyme with incessantly but it just would quite work

@LinusBoman 3 года назад

Unflattering charicatures, tales of abandonware, font design? This video has something for everyone 😂 Brilliant work as usual mate. Since your aspirations are so humble, I'd still love to see variable font technology used in a future release to enable a master slider to control the thickness of thin and thick strokes throughout in real time! 😉 But I guess the "Helvetica of notation" is a modest goal to start. Well done!

@qwertyTRiG Год назад

Rewatching this video after becoming acquainted with your work, I was thinking of you. Glad you've already seen it.

@rainerzufall8928 3 года назад

so score is basically vim for musicians

@cshairydude 3 года назад

With its line-based approach it seems more like ed for musicians, honestly.

@WhoWatchesVideos 3 года назад

Not just vim, writing TeX in vim with no autocomplete.

@yonatanbeer3475 3 года назад

@@WhoWatchesVideos I thought it reminded me of TeX too!

@leleogere 3 года назад

You should have a look at Lilipond if you're interested in writing music in a tex-like way!

@iluan_ 3 года назад

@@leleogere I will just because I love TeX

@BrianSantero 3 года назад

Gotta love the transcribing of Shostakovich 9 in Score at 4:00 in a line of code. What a crazy world.

@Tantacrul 3 года назад

There's more there than just that :)

@zednotdead 3 года назад

Tantacrul: notices tiny errors in typography that make the entire font look out of whack Me: hmm yes, the note is made out of note

@bennyk384 3 года назад

Now that’s a flex. He didn’t like the current fonts so he just hit us with the classic “fine, I’ll do it myself”

@denelson83 Год назад

With help from Simon, of course.

@aarongrooves 3 года назад

Your mastery of typography is only rivaled by your video editing skills!

@jackyjess7273 2 года назад

YO AARON! I see you are a tantacrul fanboy aswell

@projectno5 3 года назад

i would watch a cartoon that features your animated dad, jankman, your animated photo of shostakovich and simon.

@Tantacrul 3 года назад

That's a great idea!

@OrangeC7 3 года назад

We can call it, "Tantacrul and Friends"

@LILProductions 3 года назад

You can’t forget Humpty.

@projectno5 3 года назад

@@LILProductions i think humpty should be a character who they just randomly pan to once an episode like "i wonder what humpty is doing?"

@arigadatred5395 3 года назад

@@projectno5 Still sitting on that wall.

@dreikelvin 3 года назад

In theory classes, I was always proud that I could draw *perfect* clefs with a pencil. this video shattered all all of this. Thank you, Tantacrul!

@azzahnoble 3 года назад

So when you say “that’s coming next year” near the end, does that mean 2022 or 2021? I know you’ve likely been working on this video since last year, but given your upload schedule I’m 50/50 on it.

@Tantacrul 3 года назад

Oh darn... Yes. This video was delayed by a few months.... I meant this year. OH WELL!

@nat6639 3 года назад

@@Tantacrul oh thank God, I was worried I'd have to wait a full year haha

@worlds1qwopfan93 3 года назад

@@Tantacrul It would be tantamount to cruelty to tease an update due for the following year in January!

@JBergmansson 3 года назад

Also guessing that this video went out on Patreon before new year, so "next year" was probably correct then.

@musescore 3 года назад

@@worlds1qwopfan93 Wow. One of my oldest viewers! Can't forget that username! Anyway, it's not coming out in 2022. It'll come out 2021. A video delay oversight!

@brookerose1312 3 года назад

babe wake up new tantacrul

@twingnagna 3 года назад

The best comment ever 😍

@wallabra 3 года назад

new all

@Blackenwhitkaeys 3 года назад

this era must have done something right to produce a dude who - has intense attention to detail and visual artistic skill - crosses over with music and software design - has an interest in making RU-vid videos - and has a charming tone to deliver it all in

@GVDub 3 года назад

I was extraordinarily fortunate to be able to hang with Leland Smith at a couple of NAMM and Musik Messe shows back in the mid-'90s when I worked for Midiman (Leland was a friend of Midiman founder, Tim Ryan). We talked AI and music, and made bad jokes. I still have his card from the Stanford AI Lab, carefully preserved.

@demantim 3 года назад

My God, that's a lot of moving parts in a sheet music font! Am looking forward to the new MuseScore version. I switched to MuseScore last year after more than a decade of cursing (and occasionally using) Sib. It's a great pleasure to say that cursing and using in MuseScore are about even in occurrence which is a big improvement!

@kuwitt7941 3 года назад

Have you meanwhile realized that the new released version from today already includes the new fonts, so it's ready for use?

@semibreve 3 года назад

Absolute legend for the "too poor for Sibelius" community

@Testgeraeusch 3 года назад

My friend and i were so fed up with sibelius we started writing music in ascii instead. Works.

@SianaGearz 3 года назад

@@Testgeraeusch I wonder, Lilypond got smufl support a year or two ago, right? So you can write music in ascii and still use proper engaving and Tantacrul's font.

@Testgeraeusch 3 года назад

@@SianaGearz talkin' 'bout 2010 :/

@tonygemayel3801 3 года назад

On behalf of all 5 million musescore users: THANK YOU AND EVERYONE ON THE MUSESCORE TEAM!!

@JoshuaKilimnik 3 года назад

As a casual yet extremely frequent user of MuseScore let me just say thank you for all the majestic work you do for this app. I don’t know anyone in my life who uses the app (let alone the way i do) and finding people talking about it on the internet always excites there hell out of me !

@mahrinui18 Год назад

Wow, Score was really ahead of its time! It had a "type slurs" input even before 4chan!

@calliioa Год назад

The Technolo/g/y of the 1980s!

@swankykoala4836 3 года назад

19:09 "NEW ALL" in the captions. I appreciate these little easter eggs that you put in knowing that only 1 or 2 people will find it to have a good chuckle over.

@Tantacrul 3 года назад

Hey everyone! If you liked this video and want to see more like it, I'd be very grateful if you'd consider becoming a Patron. www.patreon.com/Tantacrul. These videos take an enormous amount of time to create and my patrons are the reason I can do it at all! (Both my Eurovision videos which were taken down 2 years ago are Patreon perks by the way) Discord: t.co/a3oYi1Rbnc?amp=1 Meet Simon: oktophonie.net ru-vid.com

@bennywang5752 3 года назад

The amount of time you put in your videos is incredible! just waiting for audacity or finale vid now lol...

@parp 3 года назад

This was worth waiting for, but there is just one thing 5*10^6

@PeRSCiTio 3 года назад

What program do you use to make all these symbols?

@Dominik-K 3 года назад

Wow, this video was highly appreciated 🧡 I love your video style and can only guess about the immense amount of work it must take! Highly appreciated

@zenobardot 3 года назад

Any chance you could offer a PayPal tip jar as well? I understand if you prefer not to or cannot for whatever reason.

@jonasmostert3294 3 года назад

I would really really like to see a 5-10 minute screen capture of Simon laying out a complex sheet in score! Please ask him, that would be so cool. Also, your videos are really entertaining an educational, thanks!

@Vlad-pz1oh 3 года назад

Me after like 15 mins: FONTS ARE SCARY AF. I now appreciate the font artists, thank you.

@theswime945 2 года назад

Way back when I was at Music College, we had calligraphy lessons. I'm talking way before computers. We had to buy a massive arsenal of stationary which cost a fortune (I still have it all as keepsakes), but more than that we were taught the inherent myriad subtelties . To this day I can knock up a very decent lead sheet quickly by hand. This is a fascinating vid and project, thank you very much for all your efforts, you've made a difference. Cheers.

@TheAgamemnon911 3 года назад

Oooh, Sibelius is in treble now.

@Brynbo 3 года назад

That hit my funny bone off guard.

@squibble311 3 года назад

PUN

@kennyholmes5196 3 года назад

Ah, so Leland Smith's opinion on Score was like Johann Schleyer's opinion on Volapük and James Cook Brown's opinion on Loglan: He didn't want anyone touching it. Fittingly enough, it's suffered the same fate as both of those conlangs: It's been abandoned in favor of competitors and offshoots.

@df09ify 3 года назад

Yes, that's most unfortunate, it's still far better than anything else available today in terms of control and output. I still use it for my own music and there are thousands upon thousands of files at work (GS/AMP) that we work on all the time; right now I'm working on a large publication for work in Score.

@kennyholmes5196 3 года назад

@@df09ify I wish you luck on your work.

@2xsaiko 3 года назад

I actually just watched videos about both Volapük and Loglan today, and then I come across this comment. Funny how that happens.

@qwertyTRiG 3 года назад

@@2xsaiko I wouldn't be surprised if jan Misali did a video on this at some point. That lad has surprisingly broad interests.

@LILProductions 3 года назад

Why I’m an Esperanto speaker and a Musescore user

@MapleMilk 3 года назад

Man, I guess the Musescore team LOVED the Sibelius video

@jt_jeetee 3 года назад

We loved the MuseScore video even more ;-)

@darraghchapman 3 года назад

Looking forward to this! Fair play to Musescore for not only taking your criticism on board, but taking *you* on board to sort it out :)

@MazeFrame 3 года назад

That "type command, send off, see result"-design strikes me as extremely clever. Add some modern real-time rendering of the input command and you are good to go in my books.

@Olivia-W Год назад

@James Ross Latex is love, Latex is life, I agree. Add something like Overleaf for online, seamless package management and real time rendering in an easy to use platform agnostic way, and it's the goat.

@markuskopter 3 года назад

One dislike. Maybe, Simon didn't like how he's represented in this video at all. 🤔

@brunoflorentino1278 3 года назад

"it's not nice"

@renyhp 3 года назад

Same for me. It's super weird that he calls it awkward for Simon to want his privacy. He should've dealt with the problem differently than sort of making fun of him.

@Enerjy 3 года назад

Better wording: "Maybe Simon didn't like how he was represented in this video after all."

@totallycarbon2106 3 года назад

@@renyhp I think this might be a tad presumptuous of their relationship and I'm sure Tantacrul wouldn't put out something making gentle fun of a collaborator without knowing it would be ok to do so / without running it past him. It reads more as a joke between friends to me, than some kind of hostile attack, and if it really were the latter I'm sure this font would never have made the light of day!

@renyhp 3 года назад

@@totallycarbon2106 I hope you're right about this being a joke between friends. But even then, it felt like he was specifically making fun of him *because he cares about his privacy*. While they are completely free to make fun of each other, especially if it's a joke, it sort of sends a wrong message, as if caring about one's privacy is something weird. Sure I hope this wasn't his intention, but that's definitely what sounded like to me.

@mikego2611 3 года назад

People that develop open source software have a special place in my heart. Even more so when the software being developed is so well crafted. I cannot thank you enough nor even say the legacy people like both of you leave on the digital world. I hope I can contribute too with any open source software, not matter how small it might be.

@groowy 3 года назад

while Tantacrul might not be the hero we deserve, he's a hero that we all need and love

@ChevronTango 3 года назад

There is almost certainly some in-joke with Simon that we are all missing here.

@_ikako_ 3 года назад

imagine not just using ms paint to write music with. damn amateurs.

@pseudotaco 3 года назад

Imagine not using a text file that describes, in full sentences, which pixel is supposed to have what color to write music Edit: specified "in full sentences"

@thezipcreator 3 года назад

@@pseudotaco that is exactly what a bitmap is edit: he changed the comment to add "in full sentences" so this comment is now invalid

@dz4k.com. 3 года назад

@@pseudotaco imagine not using a hex editor to manually create a jpeg of each page of your score

@markusTegelane 3 года назад

@@dz4k.com. imagine not manually changing the state of each transistor inside a NAND chip to write binary data that can eventually be decoded as an image that can represent a page of your score

@htesreyzaw6114 3 года назад

Imagine not telling your friend where each pixel is to draw on a chalkboard which then a person takes a picture of and prints out. Amateurs.

@lelluc 3 года назад

Can't wait to find jankman included as an easter egg within the font!

@Brunosky_Inc 3 года назад

Like how funny lil drawings being added to Japanese character sets lead to emoji being embraced by Unicode and all sites using it, jankman hidden in this new font could lead to jankmotes becoming standard in all notation software

@danihk2872 3 года назад

i cannot express how much i love just how the notes, their stems, and their flags look. beautiful work

@danihk2872 3 года назад

also, the accidentals !!!!!

@lulairenoroub3869 3 года назад

10:15 "you might think this looks good" actually my first thought was "you've completely missed Helvetica and landed on comic sans"

@xmlthegreat 3 года назад

Yep that was my reaction. I have no knowledge of typography but my instinct said "that looks kinda bad"

@thefakepie1126 3 года назад

comic sans gang comic sans gang

@bigmistqke 3 года назад

This is an intersection of so many of my interests

@bigmistqke 3 года назад

Ok i would love a 5 hour deep dive into the intricacies of the new design

@Digital-Dan Год назад

Incredible. Great to see the pix and descriptions of Leland Smith. He and I co-resided at the Stanford AI Lab in the late 60's and early 70's. I recall many conversations where he showed off his notation software, including the fonts. At the time he was printing to a pen plotter, and later to a crude laser printer. Later, I learned he was also an accomplished Contrabass bassoonist. One of my favorite people ever. Indeed, he never claimed his system had the best user interface. He was interested in providing the ability to get an output as beautiful and authentic as possible. I believe it about experts, though. At the same time, I was researching some of the underpinnings that informed the creation of the modern user interface, but I guess I didn't share it with Leland. 🙂 Unbelievably, later my colleagues and I tried out some of our new UI ideas in work that we did for Ginn and Co. Odds?

@hannahmccall446 3 года назад

I can read music notation about as well as a 4 year old can read War and Peace, but I love these insights into the design process. I'm a media content producer, and your videos have many useful takeaways that I can apply to my own work. And where there is no crossover I just enjoy your video style and humour.

@bjordan429 3 года назад

As an outsider (RF engineer) entering the music theme, , I love your approach. Thank you for respecting privacy. Please, never change your approach; you are on your 'A' game.

@glipk 3 года назад

aged like milk

@kerbonaut2059 3 года назад

I’m here from your video on the update on the Musescore channel, and I’m dying at the fact that even at your most professional, you put a joke on Feldman’s Yeast in there.

@twingnagna 3 года назад

I bet he couldn’t help it 😂

@andrewwiele5091 3 года назад

I think the most fun part of the videos is to look at the music on screen and figure out which piece is being played. It just dawned on me what the score at 7:30 is because I've just started working on the piece.

@undisclosedmusic4969 3 года назад

As a computer scientist and musician I feel a very high affinity towards both you and this video ❤️

@jestemqiqi7647 3 года назад

Everytime Tantacrul posts a new video, it feels like Christmas.

@1980rlquinn 3 года назад

As an amateur musician and amateur typesetter, I cannot tell you how much I appreciate the attention and effort you've give this project, as well as for this video covering it!

@FredNagel 3 года назад

Dear Tantacrul, thank you for the effort you put into packaging your videos. The long black gaps between segments gives the same experience as reading a well-constructed academic paper, consisting of chapters that are related but distinct. Also, such as at 16:13, dropping in along with the beat - it's such a neat touch that I greatly appreciate. Also, literally everything else.

@enricodemeo 3 года назад

Mr. Martin Keary, I really, wholeheartedly, think that you are a treasure for the RU-vid musician community. Your videos are on one hand incredibly well and thoughtfully researched, inpeccably produced and edited (I wish I had some kind of resemblance of your After Effects skills), and on the other hand absolutely bonkers and unhinged in a really scary way. That's THEE mixture that I like. I really hope you do read this comment, because you really are an inspiration and, I think, a great dude. Keep up the work, there are a lot of people who really appreciate you and your work. Have a good one!

@christophermcmahan1628 3 года назад

Woke up saw new Tantacrul video and literally leaped for joy. I’m not involved in the music industry at all just enjoy these videos

@Nanananaheyhey1 3 года назад

I accidentally clicked on this video, and sat through the whole thing. It’s ironic because I’m a composer and recently I just got into scribing and what it takes to make a professional looking score! This was very interesting, and I learned a lot! Thank you!

@aleckunkel3705 3 года назад

"which you continue for 64th and 128th notes...for those people who are into that" looking at you, scojo

@kuwitt7941 3 года назад

Thanks for being part of the MuseScore project.

@arthur822 3 года назад

When you say the new Musescore interface is coming next year, do you mean 2021 or 2022?

@Tantacrul 3 года назад

2021. This was a bad editing / delay oversight :)

@Akkordinator 3 года назад

You can already take a peak at it and download a nightly (meaning not at all polished!) version of it to see where it's going: ftp.osuosl.org/pub/musescore-nightlies/windows/4x/nightly/?C=M;O=D

@analytomaniac 3 года назад

@@Tantacrul phew, good. was about to say.

@CieMaKat 3 года назад

You can see the work in progress by downloading nightly builds. **By no means** they should be used to create or edit any important project with. For windows check out: ftp.osuosl.org/pub/musescore-nightlies/windows/4x/nightly

@GerharDTeach 3 года назад

@@Tantacrul thank god I almost threw my computer through the window when you said "next year" hahahha

@huntsurveys7477 3 года назад

Hi. I have been a surveyor for over 20 years. In that time I have seen the transition from paper to digital and the need to digitise various products. That video was beautiful to watch and much kudos to Simon for his work. Thank you very much and - on a professional level - well done.

@user-et3xn2jm1u 3 года назад

Now this is the kind of video RU-vid was originally intended for.

@RonSonntag Год назад

This was such an awesome presentation! Funny and wickedly informative. I especially appreciated the meticulous attention to font design. Many decades ago, I created the first solid-filled fonts (using B-Splines and based on the URW Hinterberger licensed fonts that I converted and hand-modified for the microcomputer incorporating kerning and hints that were missing from the purchased fonts) for the microcomputer (Windows). The font system was programmed in C and Assembler and was sold as the "ASI Font System". Software Publishing Corporation was the first company to license the font system and incorporated it into Harvard Business Graphics - a Windows PC program. We later used it in our own G-Wiz Graphics, a scientific graphing program sold by my company Analytical Software, Inc. (closed down in 2001). Good memories and an appreciation of this artistry!

@Snavels 3 года назад

After trying out Finale and Sibelius, surprisingly, for the most part, I actually still prefer Musescore. It's easy to use, and great for easy sketches. However, part formatting can be a chore sometimes and I do a lot of extra work getting the parts to be picture esque and looking readable

@Snavels 2 года назад

@@jeffhrsn I'll certainly give it a try. For simplified big band sketches, I like to actually go the old school method and play the piano and write the parts down on a grand staff.

@wolfetteplays8894 Год назад

@@Snavels good. We shouldn’t be bastardizing notation and putting composers out of work. Old school is of the highest form of art and among the most ethical

@Merthalophor 3 года назад

This is great, can't wait to see what you'll do with the software! It's somewhat satisfying to see someone burn a bad product; it's immensely satisfying to see it being polished by that same person.

@LasseKarhu 3 года назад

As someone with slightly poor hearing it's always nice to hear well articulated speech in a video. The visuals were top quality too. Musescore team is lucky to have you in their ranks.👍

@JulioHerrlein 3 года назад

Musescore and RU-vid and the Internet and the World are lucky to have you.😄 !! We are lucky !!

@dubbynelson 3 года назад

With the whole "manually programming shit in", I wish this was still a thing in applications. It’s so, so cool and seems so much more lightweight. I think that’s why I find trackers so intriguing :)

@thezipcreator 10 месяцев назад

I know this comment is 2 years old and I shouldn't bother but: hardcoding shit is a really bad practice. it makes the program way less extensible, which is annoying both for people trying to improve the program and for the original maintainers.

@CyrusandAurelius 3 года назад

Just started my younger son on Musescore. That's how we found you! So happy to see musescore takes constructive criticism positively and reaches out!

@antonkirchhoff9841 3 года назад

Plot twist: Tantacrul actually did everything by himself but went insane in the process so he invented an imaginary friend - Simon

@Alfred_English 3 года назад

last week i watched a 20 minute video on the math behind bezier curves, and now i'm here. i gotta admit sometimes this youtube algorithm is simply fantastic

@computer_toucher 3 года назад

I am impressed by your dedication, and also your skills and sensitivities in both design and composition. I also like your humour. A true polymath scholar, you are.

@galacticmess7050 3 года назад

Time to watch this 1000 times until the next vid comes out. Great job tanta, congrats!! Following the whole process on tw was a blast.

@CosmicTeapot 3 года назад

As a Finale user, I've been on the edge of my seat for a while now waiting for you to give it what it deserves. Can we expect a good ol' ass-whoopin' in the near future?

@notafeesh4138 3 года назад

I’m pretty much married to Finale at this point and I’m wondering if it would be worth it to use a free app instead, so such a video would be great for me.

@CosmicTeapot 3 года назад

@@notafeesh4138 Same, I've been using it for years and half of those years went into learning everything so, now that I "mastered" it (if I can say so), the idea of switching elsewhere pains me... it really is the best notation software I've worked with but it can be so incredibly frustrating some times so it's a love/hate relationship. And the fact that one must pay for upgrades even though it's quite expensive to buy in the first place is quite annoying.

@rainbowkrampus 3 года назад

@@CosmicTeapot I'm in the same boat. I'm not waiting on a critique. I have plenty of my own tl;dr Finale sucks. What I'm waiting on is the big revision Tanta mentions in the video. Then I'll dive into Musescore.

@thepowers100 3 года назад

I started with musescore before getting finale... it caused me so much pain and rage that I quit finale. Later, I watched Tantacrul’s review of Dorico and I fell in love. Whilst still not “perfect”, it really feels like a 21st century piece of professional software, as opposed to Finale. Musescore still holds a special place in my heart, though. Great for getting ideas out fast, not pretty

@CosmicTeapot 3 года назад

@@thepowers100 Yeah, I gotta admit that Dorico kinda caught my eye too since Tantacrul's video on it but I'm waiting for it to get fixed. I mean the whole system with the switches and the buttons that cancel each other out seemed like a fever dream to me lol.

@convoliution 3 года назад

I've seen this video drift through my recommendations for a couple days before clicking on it, and I'm shocked that this still has so few views! An intersection of music, software history, and graphic design was a crossover I never knew I needed.

@mysteryfish2043 3 года назад

I damn near shit myself every time you upload, your videos are HIGHLY underrated, and way more people need to see your channel.

3 года назад

I used Sibelius as default notation program since 2007 (version 5) until 2018 version. After that, a friend told me that an open source project was available (MuseScore) and with an easier learning curve compared with Lilypond. I took the decision to do the migration (2019), it was very easy to change to the new music notation program due similar GUI and features. Until now, in my opinion this is the best improvement on layout (very impressive) because as Simon, I'm very critical with layout presentation - for me the default font (Plantin MT Std) used by Sibelius - it was a little bit better for printing. Brilliant video as well! The portuguese community is not so large but I'm preparing a dedicate channel with tutorial lessons.

@joywolfe. 3 года назад

that font literally makes my brain feel at ease after looking at so much nauseatingly thin, unbalanced notation in my schooling days lol

@leworthin 3 года назад

"Why would I want to see this video?" I asked myself... until I started watching this fascinating and informative story! Many thanks!

@darksaiyan2006 3 года назад

Oh hey, I responded to one of your tweets about the treble clef - I'm glad to see that a first version is coming out! Keep it up!

@Jack-cq9pv Год назад

Back from seeing the new Musescore 4, and WOW you’ve done a fantastic job!

@AAAlpherior 3 года назад

9:00 this right here is why, when I'm designing vector artwork, I work with rigid rules such as NO ORGANIC CURVES. All curves must be cut from a perfect circle. When you try to do vector art that looks like it's handwritten (like with an ink pen) there's really no end to what possible teeny tiny tweaks you can make to the curves comprising some symbol/graphic. Maybe organic curves are just necessary when it comes to music fonts, but with the right "design rules", you'll end up saying "this is the only way this symbol right here can possibly look" for a lot of other design projects at least. Example: Imagine you're designing a blocky font that uses a 3x5 grid. There's really only one way the letter "L" can look if you follow your 3x5 grid rule - 5 blocks from top to bottom and 3 blocks along the bottom.

@Tantacrul 3 года назад

I know exactly what you mean. All my usual designer guard rails were useless when making this font.

@eladgellert 3 года назад

Congratulations for the new font can’t wait for the new update of the musescorem interface!!!

@HumbleNewMusic 3 года назад

Sigh....... the level of appreciation & gratitude I have next time I'm notating will be off the charts... not sure I'll be able to function :-) maybe just drooling over the beauty on screen knowing how much work & care have been applied... Thanks Tantacrul & MuseScore for all you've done for us!!!!!!!

@pathagas 3 года назад

i think why i love your videos so much is because you take something that i love, music, and then discuss an aspect of it that i would’ve never thought about. it’s absolutely fascinating