How I Got Over My Fear of Hell (as a Lapsed Catholic) 

Are you an atheist? Assuming so, is your atheism based on science?

A good quote. I may be wrong, but I seem to remember reading that Voltaire never said this, but something similar.

Everybody laughed. He died. Now he and his' new "friend" are stuck in there. Guy was trying to do a last sick burn and ended up burned for eternity. What a dumbass.

@@matheusadornidardenne8684 you really think what he said in that one moment was the defining factor of his eternal fate? I can't imagine what your perception of god must be to even consider this as true

@@PattyManatty not at all. But if you have the slightest idea who Voltaire was, you know your objection to my J-O-K-E was stupid.

can relate

Look around, you have been.

nobody feels like that ever much less puberty

Me too. I was guilty and scared all the time.

@@crystalgiddens7276 so if im reading this right ur saying u speak for everyone? And that after puberty u never had an dirty thoughts? Idk bout that

aww :( its sad how Islam, Christianity and Judaism all have the same God yet oppose each other

Islam is a lie, Jesus Christ is the only way to Heaven!

@@user-we9pm4tk7z They don't have the same God. Do not lie.

@@electrical_cord, that would make the most sense.

@@sasukeoutlaw9047 They don’t? I had the impression they did.

I feel like 15 years after becoming an atheist the fear of hell has finally broken me. I'm seriously considering taking Pascal's Wager, despite all its flaws. I just can't deal with even that 0.01% chance that hell is actually real.

True, but we have to recognise that that would take away one of God’s chief desires for us, free will. We’d be forced to love him, and not love him out of true love. He’d rather we choose us in faith and not solely in evidence.

@@scottsponaas I can easily debunk your objection by asking you: If I know that god exists can I still „choose“ to go hell?. God can reveal himself to me if he exists, my knowledge of his existence wouldn’t magically force me to love god. As for praying to god and asking him to reveal himself, I‘m not praying to something I have no reason to believe exists. You can say that for anything. Ask x to reveal himself to you, it doesn’t have to be god. And the consequence can be different. Ask dracula for a blood sacrifice or he will kill you. Dracula has super ears so dont worry, he will hear you. How does that sound? Not moved? The same goes for me when you replace x with god and the consequence is heaven or hell.

@@tsarnicholasii274 You come through which god exactly with faith?

@@buffendene9996 The Christian God, through faith, just as you came to the conclusion that no God exists through faith. I reject Judaism for its ethnic supremacy, Islam for its barbarity. Granted I haven’t studied extensively about other religions but I feel comfortable where I am. I believe in my God because he calls us to forgive others and love others, granted, many Christians don’t actually do that, but that’s my belief and that’s how I try to live.

@@buffendene9996 You didn’t actually debunk anything there, just presented an alternate opinion 😂. We are not going win a debate here, but I do actually believe what I’m saying here so the thought of you actually having to experience hell horrifies me, especially considering everything you’re saying sounds like the arguments I used to make before I humbled myself (as I suggested to do). I used to do stand up comedy and crack jokes about how ridiculous it was to assume there was a “man in the sky” controlling everything. If you stop and realize that you’re making a fool’s bet (I.e Pascal’s wager) you’ll realize you stand to gain nothing in your unbelief, but risk everything. So again I urge you. Consider the possibility that you’re wrong, humble yourself, and honestly ask God to reveal Himself to you. He will. I already said a prayer for you and whenever you’re ready, just do the same. I can’t make you, nor will He. You’re clearly very intelligent. Now be curious. God bless 🙏

@@20july1944 i hope you stop wishing chronic, life threatening conditions onto people you dont even know because you gained a single ounce of morality

@@20july1944 I can’t even begin to wrap my mind around how you think you’re in the right about morality, while you're actively wishing grave bodily harm upon someone else. Genuinely unbelievable, and yet you probably believe you’re more moral than him.

@@20july1944 yeah, I’m pretty sure his morality is on point. You might do well to look into this for yourself :)

Yeah, I had a pretty severe headache and body pains and fatigue, but I never bought into the idea that it was an instant killer that will hospitalise you no matter what. I would have rather avoided it but eh life goes on, at least I didn’t get any long lasting side effects.

@@20july1944 What is reconsidering his mortality supposed to achieve? Will he suddenly become immortal?

I'd say it is for us to be sorted by our responses, and to learn. Why do you think?

Tbh i would prefer not to live nor die, like just not becoming into existence, i'm really scared of dying tbh, hence if i know this, i wouldn't want to be born at all

@@jayann5705 Yes, there is grim truth there. I choose to seek my own continued existence in reasonable comfort, as is possible if theism is true.

@@20july1944 I mean Heaven practically allows both free will and only joy.Why can't we learn there?

@@Vld45 Hell is for punitive justice IF it exists, no matter what teaching/rehabilitative roles it may also have.

Eternity implies and endless BEFORE as well as an endless AFTER. If you haven't already been there forever, it's not likely that you will end up there forever.

You can also research gehenna. It's a beautiful public park lol. The word "hell" is not a Greek word. And it's not a Jewish word. So how did it end up in the bible lol. Purposefull mistranslation is how it ended up there. The word Matthew uses for hell is "gehenna" it's a park outside jerusalum. There are other words for hell but they just mean a grave or graveyard, or are greek concepts of the pagan afterlife such as hades

​@@jessicamessica2271 In the bible, Jesus don't talk about hell saying literally "Hell". He says, "They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." Matthew 13:42

@mawhel You don't spend eternity in Hell. If you once weren't in hell, you didn't spend eternity in there. But the Bible never says "eternity in hell"; it says "(...) where the fire never goes out. Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched." Mark 9:43-44. This means that your stay in hell endures forever, but it doesn't mean you have always been in hell, to mean literally "eternity.".

@brayanxd8442 yeah, unless you see the whole thing as a parable. In which it could mean anything. It could even refer to the burning of rome depending on how you interpret Jesus's endless riddles.

Sometimes I feel this planet must be some other world's hell...

You got a surprise coming my friend.

@@captainjacksparrow1518 Good - I love surprises.

@@k-3402 Lol. I like surprises too. Definitely wanna go where you're headed friend.

Mucho bueno...Hermano...

@HQS why would I turn back to something I do not believe in?

Don't you guys have already anglicized the german word "Gesundheit" to say bless you?

@Richdragon it’s hard sometimes!

@HQS was never there

i see no problem you can say religious stuff and not belive like you say oh my god when something happens it's just like a curse you're not gonna start sex if you say fuck

Very nice! Welcome aboard! :3

Indeed, I love his accent.

Well "Satan" isn't even a fallen angel, in the sense of falling from grace. In the story of Jewish religion, ha'satan/satan, was not even a proper noun. Satan was first a verb, an idea. Later turned into a consciousness, but not a deity. He was designed to tempt people. You can clearly see such occurrences with Yahweh making a bet with Satan in one story and in other instances where Yahweh doesn't want to change Satan's ways. Christians rebranded Satan (like they did for a bunch of things) and then later on even some of them even pushed a non Jewish hell. Hell, which isn't in Jewish faith, and it is a mistranslation of 4 words (3 Greek words and 1 Jewish word). It comes from a self titled fiction called Dante's Inferno, of the Paradise Lost series. Lucifer just means light bearer in Latin and isn't tied to Satan. Even the fake unoriginal misinterpreted "Jesus" (Greek name and J doesn't exist in Hebrew) called himself Lucifer, light bearer. And then what about just blaming former abuses, brainwashing, the fake and very profitable drug "war", and evil forces instead of a person (who supposedly is under the control of "Satan" and is hurting).

Marriage is an absurd system in itself. People just gotta learn how to accept that prenups should be in action from the get-go or legally separate funds and possessions as much as possible to avoid legal theft (mostly women stealing from men). In America, according to statistics, about 50% of marriages end in divorce and no more than 7% of marriages last long term.

Noah's Ark is a really fucking stupid story. 😂 Flood stories in mythology are nothing new. The oldest flood myth story known is the Epic Poem of Gilgamesh. 1) Impossible story - Hawaii had rain for longer and no flood. That was from August 30th, 1993 to August 27th, 1994. That's 247 days compared to "40 days and 40 nights". No trace of evidence in mountains for this "global" flood in mountains and so forth by archaeology. Cultures existed during this time (like no culture recorded a moon splitting in two by "Prophet" Muhammad). Sloths come from the Americas and sleep all but 4 hours a day. So much for walking all that time and then crossing a giant ocean without boats. Kangaroos? Crossing waters. Dinosaurs that are millions of years old but humans are only hundreds of thousands of years old. How did the Bible say firstly that animals were made first and then humans and then later says humans were made first and then animals (contradicts itself). If the second claim is the one they're sticking with, then impossible. Humans are like 250k or so years old. Dinosaurs go back millions upon millions upon millions ago. The t-rex and a handful of dinosaurs would probably make humans go extinct. Satan (who is rebranded in Christianity) put the dinosaur bones to trick us? Free dating is very accurate and we have trees dating millions of years old. So the trees are older than an acclaimed 10k year or younger earth (dating by an age of 1 day equating to 1000 years), how? Did the trees get magically placed here? How come trees weren't mentioned to magically go here? The boat size cannot hold millions and it was smaller than the Titanic. Enough food and water? All that poop and pee? What humans are left and why do so many cultures exist? A Sumerian boat (for the oldest spiritual writing known as The Epic Poem of Gilgamesh) was made and found to be more sturdy of design than Noah's Ark. In recent (2021) mainstream news, the Noah's Ark replica is unfit for voyage even though it was made exactly as described in the Bible and it has no damages to it. There's even a finish location for "Noah's Ark" in the Bible but no boat was ever found. The Creation "Museum" of Ken Ham has loads of unscientific and unhistorical claims. Christians even applauded and were shown visually in the crowd to be intrigued by Bill Nye (who isn't a scientist). Furthermore, on a major Christian website, Bill Nye got 93% of the votes for a poll asking who was the winner of the "debate". Bill Nye even missed a handful of explanations and still did a wonderful job at wrecking Ken Ham. 2) Why not just take away free will. They're gonna do it all over again. 3) It was a part of your plan to begin with. 4) You know the future and again, it was a part of your plan. You're everywhere and hear all thoughts so prayer is just begging. 5) Should have just killed everyone and left it at that. 6) No evidence for Noah's Ark itself. 7) Most of the Bible is proven bullshit anyways (history, science, self contradictions, unoriginal content, mistranslations, many versions, misinterpretations, forgeries, missing books, etc.). Most Jews like myself (I'm mixed) aren't religious. Einstein, Sagan, Daniel Radcliffe, and many other Jews weren't/aren't religious. Many of the religious ones admit to doing parts for cultural reasons but admit to not actually believing in it. Thankfully, much of the religions are illegal or at least not tolerated well since (Old and New Testament) pushes slavery, sexism, racism, genocide, homicide, animal abuse, etc. Furthermore, because I say that the god of Abraham is bullshit, doesn't mean I say there's no god or no spirit. It doesn't mean I accept Hinduism either, as there's plenty of bullshit there too. #Agnostic #FreeThinker #AntiTheist #Spiritual #IANDS #MonroeInstitute

What makes it "silly"? I'm curious.

@@20july1944 the fact that this crack head don't believe in it and that's it, I guess. Lol

he should have the fear of God.

not only silly. an absurd and cruel I would say

Yes it is. This is why I think if god wants to punish us, this world is hell and heaven at the same time. So all pain in this world is because we are unjust. I can understand why people are atheist. But why most not even ask, if maybe the worlds pain is just and thats why we should ask, what can we do to be better persons, so god dont have to punish us anymore? Its alwayw this "christianity is wrond". Yes it is. But this doesnt mean there cant be a true religion.

YES - BUT ALSO WE NEED IT BACK

we need the drawer back!! lol

@Cosmic Observer lmaoo yess

I think you mean 4:20

Under my bed

*too

@@RanEncounter done ;) thanks for gracing me with your immeasurable knowledge on the English grammar ;)

@John-Paul Hunt go easy on the drugs, bud

@John-Paul Hunt sir please stop typing gibberish you’re scaring the hoes

When did cringe become an adjective?

Do you know there is no God, or just copied what your parents thought? To me, the best evidence against God would be a cosmology model that doesn't require one.

​@@20july1944 to me, I don't think I know; I just don't believe anyone who says they do

Ah hah!!! You're an atheist because your parents indoctrinated you!!

⁠​⁠@@20july1944To me, the best evidence against magical creator Leprechauns would be a cosmology model that doesn’t require them.

Many Xians beliefs make more sense when viewed as propaganda. Why invent hell? Because it keeps people terrified and obedient.

Hi there, just wondering if you are atheist? If so, what do you think about all the incredible functions and processes in the human body, all the amazing animals and plants, the order in the universe and earth, the precision of so many variables for life to flourish on earth, etc.. do you believe that all these things point to intelligence or a ‘Creator’ or ‘Designer’ behind everything in the universe and on earth? Anyway don’t have to reply, just thought that maybe you are atheist so that’s why I am curious about your thoughts on what is written above.. by the way, you might find some of the videos on the playlist on my channel interesting or maybe even life-changing regardless of what your beliefs are.. anyway all the best!

@@shezadm6300 You didn’t ask me,but I’m also an atheist and my answer would be that if nature was any simpler it wouldn’t exist because the “survival of the strongest”rule can apply to plants or other things surrounding us,it would be the “existence of the fitting and complex enough”. To exist in an environment with strict requirements and hard conditions causes the existing things to be complicated because else they couldn’t manage it. Btw,one of the things I like about religion is the admiring of nature and saying it’s so beautiful that it’s Proof of god.As I said I don’t believe that but it’s kinda wholesome

@@AHAHAHHAHA Hi there, thanks for sharing your thoughts.. i appreciate that you took some time out to express your thoughts.. By the way, I thought you might find three videos on the playlist on my channel interesting.. the three videos are the 8th, 9th, and 10th videos on the playlist on my channel.. the titles of the video are 'Butterfly that looks like leaf', 'Amazing Precision in Creation' and 'Atom - The Amazing Structure (Miracle of Quran)'.. feel free to watch the videos if you would like to you! And yes i love the beauty of nature and am amazed by the incredible creatures that live on earth! Anyway all the best to you!

Are the functions of the body not explained by evolution?

in fact, not even if (as Alex said in the video) "christianity were true" would we be justified in expecting god to be perfectly loving and perfectly just... Not sure what those philosophical studies are teaching him, but it wasn't at all convincing. :-s

@Jerren Brewster even assuming that the Bible is inspired by God, an unjust God could simply lie. So quoting the Bible proves nothing.

Or better yet how do you define God's justice? What if something that to us seems unjust, is perfectly just in God's definition of the term? I mean does the Bible not say that if one does not accept Jesus, they cannot enter the kingdom of heaven? So, that means if you do not believe in Jesus or Christianity, you'd be damned to hell. To God that's justice, is it not? Idk.

“Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.” - Marcus Aurelius

@@animuradyan6127 The entire issue struggles when addressing the idea of free will. In the Christian notion that we are fallen human beings, it is said that we have a broken moral compass and that God, or rather the rules outlined in the Bible are the perfect moral compass. But then we arrive at the question of free will and see that everything is causal, including belief. People transform into monsters (murderers, rapists) becauss their moral compass is corrupted. For example, a little kid might bully other kids because his father is abusive. In this case, the father corrupts the kid, and the kid might stay a bully, or turn into a killer, his whole life unless another person tries to change their morally corrupt moral compass. How might someone appeal to a bully that they are doing something wrong? They may appeal to their sense of empathy, or the person that they were before they were abused. In other words, they appeal to the pure moral compass they were born with. But a Christian might appeal to a biblical morality by pointing to the Bible. But why should you trust the Bible as the perfect moral compass rather than the one you were born with? You have no reason to believe that unless someone convinces you, like with an appeal to emotion. Therefore the whole issue of morality is actually bound to the moral compass being convinced into you. You might be raised well and develop the moral compass you were born with. Or, you might be raised extremely badly and corrupt your moral compass. Or, you might change your moral compass because of what a book says. You see, people are molded into a life tragectory, some more evil, some less, by the standard of empathy. Evil is really an error in the code of humanity.

So are you not indoctrinated into atheism now? And if free will doesn't exist as Alex believes then ultimately everyone's indoctrinated.

@@al-kimiya6962 he probably became an atheist by himself, no one hammers atheism into little children's heads with threats of punishment for disbelieving instead of arguments and evidence, only the religious do that

@@al-kimiya6962 'indoctrinated into atheism' the ignorance of you people never ceases to amaze

​@@EternalGaze8 A very good attempt at analyzing a very difficult concept(free will) to define ! Of course someone else can *never* have the "EXACT same experiences as you" , nor the exact same programming, and the exact same brain circuitry is unlikely. The parameters of the human brain are personally unique.

@@EternalGaze8 Now the philosophical illiterate new atheists will teach me what "no free will" means with their nonsensical ruminations. Whatever you said doesn't make sense in the least bit, neither this is what Alex means when he says 'there's no free will', he talks about determinism.

I know. No one ever considers this as if the Christian religion is the only religion with a hell. There are many different versions.

Fun fact: the first person to have ever created the idea of good people going to the good place, and bad people going to the bad place was Zoroaster, so if anything (if they think that hell is possible), all things being equal, people should bet the most on the existence of the Zoroastrian hell.

My logic: the Christian God is the only God. Also my logic: There’s therefore only one hell.

@@loladeopeyemi9754 ok then this isnt your conversation.

@@loladeopeyemi9754 Says every single religious person with different beliefs than yours.

As I got older I began to wonder how no one saw the inherent petty idea of wanting someone to suffer forever.Even the Bible does not agree on what Hell is as neither the OT or the NT mention it much🤔

I think you’re underestimating the monsters under your bed

@@JM-us3fr well my mattress is on a solid base, so if a monster did get under there all I can say is well played to you sir, its your house now.😂

Nobody has any exsplantion for the universe to assume it's not god is just ignorant it's at least valid as a theory but for free will to exist we can't have proof. Earth isnt just perfect for us to exist it's also perfect for our imagination we can find the raw materials to make anything we can imagine it didn't have to be that way it could be far different in probably infinite ways . So the creation of the universe isn't the same as a story and if you believe in God then look what Christianity replaced is was an evil world human sacrifices cannibalism and slavery were the norm all over the world to say the bible was evil you have to look at man before the bible.

@@davidevans3223 While I actually do believe in God, I don't agree that Earth is perfect for us to live on, if that were true there wouldn't be natural disasters. I also disagree that with proof there wouldn't be free will. Look at flat earthers for example. There's plenty of proof the Earth is round and yet they still believe it's not (not trying to call them stupid nor ignorant or anything, just giving an example of people not believing in something that there's proof of).

You were probably contemplating something a crackhead would think about and not the way the book intended for you to think about it. So sad. Lol

There is no hell. And life after death. But god is punish us in THIS world. For a big propability.

@Joseph the burden of proof is on the theists

@Joseph There is no _burden of proof_ for anyone on the non-existence of _hell._ Since there is no evidence for any such place (except the village of *Hell, Norway,* of course) until someone proves it's real - it's not!

@Joseph First: This is wrong because I dont have to prove everything. Because its like someone comes to you and says "I need a dollar or I starve" and there would be no reason to not do this, because even if he lie, you dont need that dollar, noone else need it, etc (just for the example to think there would be nor reason. I dont know by now a better example). I only have to prove things if it could be bad to beliefe in them. Mostly its bad, but there is no "always you have to proof everything". And what I say is not enough to explain anything why this is right. Just sayin. Second: There is a clear proof that there cant be a hell. Its like if I want to proof that Einstein in age of 40 dont believes in Santa Claus. So I only have to proof that hell is a stupid and not just concept to proof that a infinite intelligent and just god will not do it. And there are MUCH stupid things in the concept of hell. I will not explain everything by now. And I will not explain those I tell enough to understand everything. Some examples: I. If god is just, then to kill someone this one has to be a murderer. Because only 1 to 1 is just, no exaggerationis just. So if god is there you can only die because of you getting a murderer (In ANY way this could be, aktive AND passive murder). So why you should get a punishment after you got youre punishment? And now there are many reasons why it is not just to not to use the ultimate punishment, death. For example because some people would just get used to the pain so they are happy because they will live forever. So hell would be for some people who want to die because of the pain a literal hell, for those who just want to live forever, even if they have pain forever its a type of heaven. For examlpe I would like to live in this type of hell. II. If there is a punishment after death, why there is pain in this life? And death? There is no possible outcome that could explain logical how to split this correct so that some punishment you get know, and some later. III. It is not just to punish someone for things in the past. Its even said in bible that god dont do it. There is written "If a bad guy gets good, all bad things he made are worthless. If a good guy gets bad all good things he made are worthless." So it always have to be a punishment for what you are know. How could this include hell? You go to hell and then because of the pain, you get the best person ever, than go to heaven and then you get the worst person ever, then to hell and so on. This is stupid. IV. The concept of a just reality gives you the ability to exactly know if youre good or bad by what youre pain is and so you can repent until youre dead and this is the point were you cant repent. This is just. The concept of hell makes a mess of the knowlegde of what you are. The concept of hell was invented so that this is a mess, its logical chaos. The people dont wanted to accept the just reality jesus told, because this would show EVERYONE who EVERYONE is. To have hell after death is totally bullshit and its proven that there cant be hell because its a bullshit concept and its not just. And got wont do this like Einstein would not believe in Santa Claus. To not accept this as proof would be a misuse if logic. Otherwise you have to proof everything and this would be a misuse of youre time.

If God exists, it isn't "child abuse" to tell children to be aware and wary of Him. Since you don't know whether God exists or not, would you agree it would be worth approximating that likelihood with reliable things like science?

When I was a kid I thought the god stuff was like Santa and the easter bunny fake lol

@@VaxzaLimeIsCool Is that what you think now?

@@20july1944 If monsters exist, surely we should make children aware of them? Does that sound silly to you? If so, why? And yes, science is very reliable, as opposed to the Bible, which is not.

@@vooveks Good. Speaking scientifically, how do you explain our universe?

I relate so hardly

@@artsyabin8145 same. But it comes and goes. Actually praticing stoicism (read and apply the Manual by Epictetus, anything else is either false or more convoluted than it need be) is extremely powerful. I never accepted to be part of either the YOLO tribe or the randomness nihilist advocates (*). There's a voice inside you that tells you do not settle for meaninglessness. It shares its name with a musical style associated with Detroit. Yet it is exhausting finding meaning, justice and harmony in this world, amirite ? I should know, this cost me several stint in the psych ward. Problem of evil etc. Well at this point I am finding that metempsycosis is actually something to consider. It might be the 'missing piece'. (*) Can anyone still doubt that cynicism is most morally bankrupt? I mean come on. Cynicism is counter-logic in action, it should be synonym with 'evil'. What are you good for when your poster boy Diogenes' whole shtick was "I don't care" and yet was the biggest attention whore of his century.

yeah, me too (for the boredom thing) but I just think "well if im dead I wont have the ability to be bored anyways"

@@benc.3128 honestly, yeah! I guess it's just kinda hard to imagine not existing haha

Well you won't get bored when the shaitans peel off your skin and feed it to you again and again

@@Pllayer064 yeah actually thinking about the pain gives me some relief about that, I know i don't get bored when I'm in pain here, my brain is concentrated in that at least

​@@Pllayer064Two years late, but what a loving God. He created that man knowing his ultimate fate was an eternity of pain.

It is always safe to assume that and Latin word that made it into English got messed up along the way. English is not a Romance language, but it tried really hard to join the club.

This is my issue with CS's take on the topic. I'm glad he found peace in the idea, but it seems wholly underwhelming to me (I guess thats a pun) If I believe my father to be a good man (To the point that I define him as such) but then I find out that he did something truly terrible... CS seems to think that either the things my father did were either good OR my father never existed. My idealized IDEA of my father might not exist, but clearly the entity that is my father does exist. Like wise, the Christian God can exist without the Christians being right about him being just.

I am an absolutely benevolent manager of a ghost house. Whoever enters my house will leave the house. And i warrant that everyone will be scared, and there are lots of bizarre atractions, such as dying and rising gods, swamp monsters, schopenhauer trying to wrap the universe into a condome and on and on. Btw you can keep the coffin or the urn as a gift.

Well said

@@discodecepticon well said.

Exactly

Satan is as real as the Easter bunny 🐰

You say that like there is a general truth to it, but something that only exists as far as believers say it does, exists in exactly the shape the believer thinks. Not in an "esotheric make believe the world as you like it" kind of way, but an "as far as your convinced it does affect you" way. And since anyone claiming to be an Christian has, for the most part, as good a claim to the title, people believing in some kind of duality between god an the devil are as right as anyone, even if their interpetaiton is not as historic.

@@ACT1ON_JACKSON That is not true, we can prove the existence of bunnies because they're fucking everywhere (pun unintended, but realized as I was writing it). So the possibility of a bunny, hare or rabbit hiding eggs it stole from another creature is possible, but incredibly slim. Satan is as real as Homer Simpson, that is, fiction.

So in these stories. God created hell? And put Satan there?

@@wtr3059 Do you know what does not exist? Everything that everybody thinks. Thoughts do not exist. Colors do not exist. Odors, flavors, sounds, textures all do not exist. What you understand as existence is an intricate simulation constructed by the brain when it translates patterns of neuronal activations. I find it entertaining when secularists think they have things “scientifically figured out” when they don’t even have a firm grasp of what “reality” really is. Hell, even nature invented motors billions of years before humans even existed, and they have the audacity to assume they know how ANYTHING works. I’m not even a Christian, and I can see how flimsy these “arguments” are.

How do you know you'd no pain before you were born?

god is a father and forgiving..... we should not fear hell...but ourselves.... hell is if you decide to hurt others or yourself on purpose......why would you do that.....

@@elternero6624 What advise are you giving man? We should fear ourselves? 🤔 Hell is not only for people who hurt others but also for billions of people who are non christians and don't accept Jesus Christ as their lord & saviour. The Bible says the good actions of good non Christians don't matter, what matters is repentance, GRACE and accepting Christ.

Not meaning to rain on your parade, but sending you or Alex to hell is good by definition. Alex assumed that the goodness and love from the christian god are measured by our standards and the bible clearly says and shows that it shouldn't be. With god's blessing everything is moral, except eating shrimp, not believing, and making love to a man if you're also a man, then you are abominable and as evil as a rapist and a murderer and you deserve death. In other words, if a loving god exists, it's not the christian god and christians mostly don't believe in the god of the bible but a romanticized version of that and that god is still evil, hateful, and abusive by our standards. Hell would also serve no purpose other than to scare people out of being honest and having integrity and to warp the morality and to encourage vindictive behaviour, hatred, and bigotry in the followers who are still alive and have no way of showing if it exists or not. So it would be a complete waste of energy to make such a place when that god can simply lie like it always does. Then again, the perpetual lying god is also said to have said it's a place where god isn't, so he might just be the sadist who is in hell, feeding off of the pain of unbelievers. But I just have one question: is it loving to require and encourage people to believe anything based on thinking errors and fallacies like all gods, religions, and other scam artists do?

@@elternero6624 _"...hell is if you decide to hurt others or yourself on purpose......why would you do that....."_ That's a very loose interpretation of "gnashing of teeth" and "a lake of fire". Anyway. He is not forgiving. Hell is eternal, with no chance to better yourself and be forgiven. My father was a dick who didn't pay much attention to me, but at least he wasn't as stupid, unforgiving, and evil as your god is.

One does not need to study everything written about Bigfoot to reject the idea that they exist. Theists use that argument as sort of a reverse argument from authority. Basically, claiming that they don’t know enough about religion to criticize it. Only the theology “experts” should be allowed to discuss the subject. It’s also used as a weak attempt to shift the burden of proof.

@@BrianGay57 right, totally agree! I’m just wondering why there is criticism coming from other non theists about it. It just seems a weird thing to get hung up on and in-fight about is all.

@@BrianGay57 yeah, kinda felt like that was what Alex just did. Maybe I missed his point.

@@thSpeedyTurtle yeah same. I’m totally fine being wrong here I just haven’t heard it explained in quite a satisfying way yet you know?

Why I think you have to study it..so in argument you don't make a false claim or a strawman when arguing with the theist..

God didn't tell you to fear the devil he told you to fear God. That is this crack heads problem. He's not listening. He doing whatever he wants. I'm calling him a crackhead because he has the logic of a crackhead.

@@myshownvjhope Yikes.

@@myshownvjhope why would one want to fear an all loving and all good god

@@speedfastman yes, to you and your entire lifestyle. Crackhead logic. The truth hurts. Lol

@@Sierra-cl9xr so you need no one else to fear. If your greatest fear is fearing God, the creator here to write all, what else is there to fear? You don't need to fear the devil fear the creater who created that. You definitely would not have spent your childhood like this person if you had known the real loving word.

Agreed

Almost always people misrepresent or don’t understand a lot of public speakers

but we may not represent his views. I for once, don’t agree with everything he has said, but I’m subscribed because his content is interesting. And people can like whatever they decide to. Whether it’s more shallow or a well elaborated opinion. I don’t think it’s for the likes, in the first place. Anyone is free to comment whatever they want.

Your propic is Megumin, she is so cute

@@otaku_gamerita Sir, are you aware she's 14?

It is still good to kill murderers and traitors and spies, no matter the cost.

I understand this completely, I went through a stage where I was completely terrified of hell. As morbid as it sounds, when I die I just want to stay dead, I don’t want there to be any consciousness or anything.

Outside of America and Catholic countries (also Northern Ireland), the idea that abortion should be legal before around 24 weeks and generally illegal after (except in rare circumstances) is not a particularly controversial one anymore in western democracies. Abortion used to be debated regularly in British Parliament after it was legalized in 1967 (5 times in 15 years) and it used to be a hot button issue, but not so much these days, so I wouldn't say it's a particularly unpopular position to take. The way I look at it banning such things as the morning after pill would be ridiculous, but so would allowing anyone to abort a child on the cusp of being born. That means there is some point of time in between where abortion transitions from being legal to illegal. The only debate left to be had is when, and even that is mostly settled in a bunch of countries these days.

@@kaze.14 I agree but I said it's more tricky because I'd be perfectly fine with someone getting an abortion after 20 weeks if for example a woman is raped, underage, isn't able to get an abortion up until more than 20 weeks of pregnancy (for example she's locked up somewhere and finaly escapes), has severe financial problems where she can barely sustain herself, if the child has some health risk and they weren't able to diagnose it earlier,... I know some people don't agree with this but in those cases I think abortion is preferable. If you are unable to insure fresh food on the table you should probably go through abortion and no, orphanage or foster home is not a good alternative.

@@kaze.14 How are you defining sentience?

This isn’t really an unpopular opinion, most people who I have seen take a stance on abortion feel this way as well, but of course it depends on what side of RU-vid or Twitter or whatever you are on

@@ikindoflikemangoes4951 Most of people I know agrees that abortion should be legal, I just refered to it as an unpopular opinion because the internet is generally split on it.

Yeah I agree. His reasoning on this one was a bit weird. If I committed premeditated murder, I would deserve to go to prison but that doesn’t mean I’ll be happy or content to end up there even if I reasoned that it’s what I deserve.

Great stuff 👏🏻 check out Gary yourofskys speech if you haven’t already.

@Marcos Estevez yes the vegan conspiracy 🙄

@Marcos Estevez Exactly.

@@Vegan.Veteran Will do. Thanks.

It's not only about what's good for the individual, don't be so selfish, Christianity worked for society as a whole. We're seeing a rise in suicide, crime, and degeneracy, as Christianity is being removed. The scientific Hawthorne effect evidences God as a positive force for society. The fear of hell is needed to prevent the most stupid of evil criminals, who don't care about your laws, carrying out heinous crimes.

@@HoratioKJV that might be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Show me your sources that say we're seeing a rise in suicide crime and degeneracy because Christianity is being removed. Where are those studies? You made that up. Lol move along foolish. And stop lying for your imaginary god. If he was so powerful he wouldn't need you to lie for him. And please show me your sources that say Christianity is being removed. And make it fuckin snappy please.

@@godisfake78 O' fool, be not quick to anger. Year, Church participation, Homicides 1964 6% 296 2018 1.9% 769 Sources: Criminal Statistics UK Gov, Home Office Church of England Research & Statistics Now show me statistical sources to the contrary. P.s. your impolite nature adds +1 to the degeneracy.

@@HoratioKJV Year, Number of Vegetarians, Homicides 1964 0.4% 296 2018 4.5% 769 Shit, not eating animals kills people! Jokes aside, you are just ridiculous. I must assume you are trolling

@@schnitzelhannes6431 The difference is Christianity and law are interlinked on matters of human murder and justice. The number of vegetarians in the West has increased as religiosity has declined too. It would not be wrong to suggest animal welfare may have increased alongside the rise of vegetarianism/veganism. Correlation is not causation, but it's not always not causation. Think for yourself.

Hope it does

Such a great comparison

Great comparison 👍

Whats? 😆

Well that's kinda sloppy. Capital punishment necessarily involves putting a sentient being to death. You can have back yard eggs without hurting a killing the hen. Plus back yard eggs are not really the problem right now xD

....back yard eggs?

its the only thing youtubers can control about their ads lol

Are you an atheist, or just critiquing whatever you're critiquing?

Maybe rewatch the video

Any examples you want to provide for your claim?

The second point you touched. I started wondering what he meant by that on the video. I think you should do another video debunking the Horsemen then.

But being able to put them in a checkmate is the skill of debate and the hilarious wittiness of some of em it’s just priceless

Yes please!

Good idea, CosmicSkeptic thinks he is so superior to the new atheists. Well, if it is that so, that is his chance to prove it or get embarrassed...

@@Dreaming-11 I am not sure if he feels superior. But I do think a bit of his criticism is unwarranted. Sam for example has a degree in philosophy and has written a philosophy book, engages with some of the most prominent philosophers out there like Peter Singer. Doesn't make him a professional philosopher for sure, but enough to be taken seriously. I hope CosmicSkeptic is not too dismissive of the new athiests due to them being "theologically inadequate" which I thought was a silly thing to say. They don't only discuss the existence of god but many other problems of religion and dogmactic belief A discussion would be interesting!

@@MrCHI2cool I mean, he kind of comes off like that actually. Even in this video, he claims that those guys have almost no theological substance to their arguments. I completely disagree and it perplexes me that Alex holds this position.

@Jamal Ramadan You already know how stupid you sound, so I won’t bother letting you know.

Here hear! I've been hearing this as well!! Just like many try to fight nuclear energy though they don't understand how amazing it is when it is done right (statistically mostly safe).

Humans are proven in health studies to be best suited for the vegan lifestyle AKA plant-based. Some major diseases are exclusive to animal based diets. But you probably season animals, like I used to. We have mockups where you cannot tell the difference, and they'll even taste better. The pandemic was started by eating bats or by a Wuhan lab leak (which is now said to be 95% or so of certainty in this cause). Several outbreaks happen from animal agriculture. Even with this virus, scientists have warned of animal agriculture. The AMA (American Medical Association), the Physician's Committee, the largest study known as the China Study, and several other sources state that thousands of top doctors and evidence points to humans being plant-based. Even the latest science shows early ancestors were thriving on plant-based. Some worship the cow but there's a lot of recorded animal abuse there in India. They're the second largest producer of beef. Around the world, about 99% of animals come from factory farms and even regular farms tend to be pretty brutal on average, in overwhelming documentation. We've had several animal based companies go out of business, oh so thankfully. The largest and the oldest milk company in America went out of business recently after filing bankruptcy. Several milk companies have shut down. Vegan meat and vegan milk outsell their animal based counterparts when sold side by side. But only vegans in the small millions. The Canada food pyramid now has meat, dairy, eggs, and other animal products removed. The AMA is encouraging hospitals to replace processed meats and butter and such with plant-based alternatives. 75+ billion land animals are raped into the world each year, tortured, and murdered while around 1 billion humans starve a day. The main reason for pollution, droughts, and deforestation is animal agriculture. About 85% of antibiotics (which are synthetic ones that destroy good bacteria too) go to animal agriculture. Even then, plenty of cancer tumors and other things that get unchecked or barely treated before it's sent out to the public. That's while the meat literally rots as it sits around getting moved around until it's bought. Heart disease is the number one killer in America, mainly linked to animals, especially red meat. Type two diabetes is caused to humans by animal fat, officially. So on and so forth.

Noah's Ark is a really fucking stupid story. 😂 Flood stories in mythology are nothing new. The oldest flood myth story known is the Epic Poem of Gilgamesh. 1) Impossible story - Hawaii had rain for longer and no flood. That was from August 30th, 1993 to August 27th, 1994. That's 247 days compared to "40 days and 40 nights". No trace of evidence in mountains for this "global" flood in mountains and so forth by archaeology. Cultures existed during this time (like no culture recorded a moon splitting in two by "Prophet" Muhammad). Sloths come from the Americas and sleep all but 4 hours a day. So much for walking all that time and then crossing a giant ocean without boats. Kangaroos? Crossing waters. Dinosaurs that are millions of years old but humans are only hundreds of thousands of years old. How did the Bible say firstly that animals were made first and then humans and then later says humans were made first and then animals (contradicts itself). If the second claim is the one they're sticking with, then impossible. Humans are like 250k or so years old. Dinosaurs go back millions upon millions upon millions ago. The t-rex and a handful of dinosaurs would probably make humans go extinct. Satan (who is rebranded in Christianity) put the dinosaur bones to trick us? Free dating is very accurate and we have trees dating millions of years old. So the trees are older than an acclaimed 10k year or younger earth (dating by an age of 1 day equating to 1000 years), how? Did the trees get magically placed here? How come trees weren't mentioned to magically go here? The boat size cannot hold millions and it was smaller than the Titanic. Enough food and water? All that poop and pee? What humans are left and why do so many cultures exist? A Sumerian boat (for the oldest spiritual writing known as The Epic Poem of Gilgamesh) was made and found to be more sturdy of design than Noah's Ark. In recent (2021) mainstream news, the Noah's Ark replica is unfit for voyage even though it was made exactly as described in the Bible and it has no damages to it. There's even a finish location for "Noah's Ark" in the Bible but no boat was ever found. The Creation "Museum" of Ken Ham has loads of unscientific and unhistorical claims. Christians even applauded and were shown visually in the crowd to be intrigued by Bill Nye (who isn't a scientist). Furthermore, on a major Christian website, Bill Nye got 93% of the votes for a poll asking who was the winner of the "debate". Bill Nye even missed a handful of explanations and still did a wonderful job at wrecking Ken Ham. 2) Why not just take away free will. They're gonna do it all over again. 3) It was a part of your plan to begin with. 4) You know the future and again, it was a part of your plan. You're everywhere and hear all thoughts so prayer is just begging. 5) Should have just killed everyone and left it at that. 6) No evidence for Noah's Ark itself. 7) Most of the Bible is proven bullshit anyways (history, science, self contradictions, unoriginal content, mistranslations, many versions, misinterpretations, forgeries, missing books, etc.). Most Jews like myself (I'm mixed) aren't religious. Einstein, Sagan, Daniel Radcliffe, and many other Jews weren't/aren't religious. Many of the religious ones admit to doing parts for cultural reasons but admit to not actually believing in it. Thankfully, much of the religions are illegal or at least not tolerated well since (Old and New Testament) pushes slavery, sexism, racism, genocide, homicide, animal abuse, etc. Furthermore, because I say that the god of Abraham is bullshit, doesn't mean I say there's no god or no spirit. It doesn't mean I accept Hinduism either, as there's plenty of bullshit there too. #Agnostic #FreeThinker #AntiTheist #Spiritual #IANDS #MonroeInstitute

Marriage is an absurd system in itself. People just gotta learn how to accept that prenups should be in action from the get-go or legally separate funds and possessions as much as possible to avoid legal theft (mostly women stealing from men). In America, according to statistics, about 50% of marriages end in divorce and no more than 7% of marriages last long term.

Well "Satan" isn't even a fallen angel, in the sense of falling from grace. In the story of Jewish religion, ha'satan/satan, was not even a proper noun. Satan was first a verb, an idea. Later turned into a consciousness, but not a deity. He was designed to tempt people. You can clearly see such occurrences with Yahweh making a bet with Satan in one story and in other instances where Yahweh doesn't want to change Satan's ways. Christians rebranded Satan (like they did for a bunch of things) and then later on even some of them even pushed a non Jewish hell. Hell, which isn't in Jewish faith, and it is a mistranslation of 4 words (3 Greek words and 1 Jewish word). It comes from a self titled fiction called Dante's Inferno, of the Paradise Lost series. Lucifer just means light bearer in Latin and isn't tied to Satan. Even the fake unoriginal misinterpreted "Jesus" (Greek name and J doesn't exist in Hebrew) called himself Lucifer, light bearer. And then what about just blaming former abuses, brainwashing, the fake and very profitable drug "war", and evil forces instead of a person (who supposedly is under the control of "Satan" and is hurting).

silver tongued devil is apropos