i got an rx 5600xt when everybody was telling me to wait for rtx 30 series and rx 6000 series to launch as a wise man once said, "look who's laughing now"
My 970 died at the beginning of this year, a guy hooked me up with a used 1080ti for 620usd; felt like I got scammed by life, considering the 3060ti was supposed to be a 400 dollar card and I was planning on upgrading this year... But look what happened now - 1660 cards go for 100 bucks higher than what I got this 1080ti for.
That mentality though is what will postpone normal prices. As soon as prices will get more or less close to normal people start buying up. So the prices will struggle to actually land again. Very annoying feature of the world around us and there is nothing we can do...
These sons of mothers don't deserve our money. The shameful way they treated us and their response to the global situation is beyond disrespectful. Private deals, tons of cards being sold without even hitting the market, refusing to address scalper issues and artificially limiting hashrate when the consumer buys the card for 3x the price? Who are they making fun of... That being said, if you can profit or need it for educational purposes go for it but to who you are giving your money to. (I am sorry for taking it of my chest)
I'm not kidding, I can sell my 270X that I bought 5 years ago for a profit. This is sad, I used to love trading used gpus, try out old stuff. But this just ruins it all.
I'm contemplating whether to sell my GTX 1050 Ti for a profit, which i bought for 120 € back in 2017, and go back to my old GTX 650 till things calm down.
@@aarriikknn33ll Well, the 9600GT is in such a state that its value is generally rising. That being said, I might be better off selling it now, since I have an APU anyway (though it's even slower)
Hey Phillip. Your video on the headonic treadmill was great! It has made me think a lot of the things i do and why i feel demotivated when it comes to certain activities. Thank you. - A long time viewer
@@arielfernandez8196 When AMD announced Ryzen and what made the architecture unique and powerful, a leaked Intel powerpoint presentation bragged about how their chips weren't a bunch of cores just "glued" together like AMDs.
@@ayroncajuday6629 It was some truly good times. AMD fan boys talking about many cores and Intel fan boys would refer to bulldozer. Original Zen's launch is by far one of my favourite moments in recent tech history.
Glue is literally a technical term for circuitry connecting two separate chips. Google "glue logic" and then look at the Infinity Fabric and I/O die and then get back to us. Ryzen is *literally* glued together. It's not an insult.
I’ve been really demotivated this last year, and your hedonic treadmill video hit me quite hard, as I’ve realized how much of my day is doing neither work nor play: JUST procrastination, browsing Twitter or other places that I don’t quite enjoy but take up time nonetheless. I hope to break this cycle soon, and I think your video will be present in my mind until I do. Hope you’re doing well Phil!
I was so happy when the Nvidia RTX 3080 was announced. I finally had a good enough reason to upgrade! I could finally see those games Phillip showed, and play new games on Ultra settings! But I just had to wait a couple of months for the prices to drop a little so I could by one. I just had to wait…
GPU market is just sad rn. I just saved up money by march and tried to buy a decent pc. Bought all the components(without a gpu) So currently im watching this video on my brand new pc with ryzen 5600x and GT710(I bought this for 50$)
@@taiiat0 oah yeah I'm still level headed. I love my R5 1600 and will continue buying AMD for as long as they have the better product. I'm just worried if AMD gets *too* far ahead like intel during the Bulldozer era.
@@devindykstra if you think a Ryzen 1600 is beating something Intel has to offer, i think you're exactly being a blind fanboy. Ryzen 5000 can come close to Intel finally. but mainstream Media doesn't know how to use Computers so they spew bad data all day. makes my job harder when they do.
@@devindykstra the most disgusting part is how everybody is okay with zen 3's increased performance and increased prices. That sounds just like the 20-series RTX gpus compared to 10-series, except that the perf/dollar is even worse! $200 for a 3600 and a 50% price jump we now get the 5600x. But where the heck is the 50% perf boost?
I recently exchanged my 2600K with a 5600X. It served me well for many years and I never saw a reason to upgrade before now. On a sidenote, i've worked in IT for 25 years and most in my profession seems as pragmatic as me.
I bought the parts for my PC this November assembled it 2 months ago and yet I still don't have a GPU. literally the reason why I bought an Intel processor was to have integrated graphics
My Fx6300 kept pushing right until the end, when my pc started failing I swapped it for a 8300 that pushed side by side with my trusty 1050ti until the end of 2022, where right in the end of his life, he experiencied being together with a 3060 12gb... My Fx6300 was a brave soldier until the end, pushing 4.5ghz for a measly 10fps gain on GTA V. Soon he will be ressurected as a secondary PC.
got really lucky, and snagged a 6800xt in january. i could now sell it for nearly twice the price, and sold my 4 year old 1070 for almost the same prce as i paid for it. insanity.
I managed to get a 3080ti at MSRP. I had originally given up on getting a 3000-series card, but when I was buying some new ram the website just happened to have gotten them that day.
it still hurts a little knowing how good the 2nd hand parts market was a few years ago (2017/18) when Ryzen gen 2 was released. Now everything is out of reach to many and it sucks. hope we come out of this soon
In hindsight I'm glad I decided to buy and build a PC in mid 2020, I remember there was a brief period when Ampere was announced and second hand 2080Tis were going for cheap, it wasn't even that long ago, those sellers got doubly screwed. At that time I felt a bit dumb because I only just bought a 2070 Super a few months ago. I'm sure the GPU market will recover, these things can change surprisingly fast.
bought a sapphire Nitro+ 6800XT in January for £850, felt like i over paid a bit, but then when i went to sell my Vega 64 a few week later, i managed to sell it for £550 on Ebay because mining had started to take off again, so my 6800XT basically only cost me £300, and now having seen the 6700XT retailing for £900+, i'm so happy i pulled the trigger when i did
it is crazy to think that in Jan 2021 I managed to get 2 3070 just a few weeks before GPU prices skyrocketed enough to make a single 3070 match the value I paid for those 2 in Jan this year
Good video. Exactly how I feel in some ways. But I worry the market won't change back and world issues will be blamed for not dropping prices and no one will undercut prices becasue they no lo her need to. I also see a false scarcity issue being a problem. And I worry that even if it all goes back to normal...there are now enough super rich people due to the vile unbalance in wealth...that all the possible cards will be bought by them. Or worse by the criminal / scalper market ensuring they keep their monopoly for ever more. I don't think the people who should care about their loyal customers care any more about any thing but making all the money :(
I always find CPU reviews boring due to the lack of good in dept about how well they handle new set of instructions added to them with each new generation. At least we seen them packing smaller size component, having more cache, clock speed, amount of cores, IPS/Watt improves and so on... GPU did show a bit more since they put names to the new "set of instructions" they now handle, as different version of DirectX, OpenGL, Tessellation, etc manage to show you what newer generations where capable off with video demos. Sadly for the CPU all happened in the form of instructions sets and codes that can't be display in other form than more frames and faster render times with a simple number to be seen at the end.
I got an RX570 8gb for $250 brand new from amazon at the start of december and then 2 weeks later they went completely out of stock sometimes selling for $800+. I really hope it doesnt fail on me or else i'll have to go back to my old HD6450
managed to grab an rx 6800 for a reasonable price around launch time (micro center!), feels like I'm one of the few lucky people who struck gold in the gold rush
My GTX 1060 is like that kind of dishwashing soap, you can rinse the sponge as hard as you can, and it still produces foam. It will surpass and overcome the chip chorgage crisis!
@@zed7038 Yes and no imo. From what I understand, when there's abnormal activity on a blockchain, like people moving their Cryto to sell, miners gets higher profits. However, if it calms down, or if the value of the Cryto keeps on falling, the profits could be lower overall(unless it rebounds, that's a lot of profit). I do hope, however, wish that people can actually get the new GPUs.
@@michaelmu6765 Mining is more profitable at the moment due to the increase in transactions and Ethereum having higher gas fees. As for GPUs, everyone will have to wait a year or so to get one but production volumes will also go up because GPU producers are making more revenue and cryptocurrencies are slowly moving towards proof of stake systems (no GPU mining) so in a couple of years GPU mining will be obsolete, which means GPUs will be really cheap. It is a long wait but I think it's more than worth it.
Whatever opinion you have on Intel, AMD or NVidia, its always healthy for the market to have competition - if there is only one company producing certain thing, they dont have to worry about actually improving their product, or making the pricing fair/reasonable, since the customer has nowhere to go for another decent product. That happened in the CPU market, when AMD left it for a few years - Intel got lazy, did barely any improvements, increased pricing etc. When AMD made their new CPU, Intel had to actually start trying again. That't why monopoly is such a bad thing, certain big brands also just try to literally purchase their competition to avoid having to spend resources improving their products, which could be more expensive than outright purchasing the competition.
Am I the only one that think he has great way to make video more interesting and I love it. Also me: is this guy crazy? He just get half naked every opportunities he gets 😂
My GPU died half a year ago. I decided to wait for the new AMD cards that were supposed to be released in early 2021 - I spent Christmas vacation with my family anyway, so it wasn't urgent. Now I'm still sitting here with my Onboard GPU, replaying games from the early 2000s, not able to play multiplayer games with my friends, not able to touch Unreal Engine with more than 20 FPS, and 720p streams in the background make my entire system lag. It's frustrating as hell and I could hardly afford a new GPU right now even if the market didn't explode. Why couldn't my CPU die instead?
Yeah I only joined at Bulldozer but was stung when I picked up an FX 4350. Tbh it did me well enough but it was day and night moving to an i5 8300h laptop which could blow that CPU out of the water and for only 45w vs the 4350's 125w! I did only pay around £65 for the FX cpu tbf. I was very lucky to pick up a RTX 3070 which at the time I thought I was paying far too much for but for the first time in my life I could afford to splash out a bit on my PC so I did it. £770, the same cost as the entirety of my gaming laptop I had before which had that i5, 8GB (upgraded to 16) of RAM and a GTX 1050ti notebook (plenty of cooling to, no doubt it was slightly slower than a desktop variant but not by much at all). I did get the Aorus Master 3070 from Gigabyte which was one of the more expensive 3rd party models and it was more than if I had got hold of one somewhere else but I paid a localish computer company just over the odds at the time for the product which is now £840 retail at Currys (a Botters wet dream I bloody hate Currys haha) and on Ebay they are selling for between £1100 and £1300 or so although I heard someone paid £1400 for a Suprim from MSI I believe. The market is insane the only positive is the money for very little work that is available as if you manage to pick up a card you can sell it on for a lot more but Ive deliberately held off. You can also mine which I did for around a week, made just over £50 and stopped lol (so really I paid £720 as that £50 I made was net thee gross was more but I paid a months worth of electric as well, just over £30 with the card running at less than 140w rather than its default 220w). Safe to say Ive been hooked on seeing what the markets are doing and getting great ideas to make a bit of quick cash but at the same time its starting to drag and I just wish prices would go back to normal so I could get my partner a new machine too rather than her having to use that gaming lappy I had for a couple years before her. Heres to hoping things calm down soon but we also need to talk about how to solve these shortages as we know they wont stop now and its only going to get worse and worse the more and more people gain access to technology and the funds to purchase it. We cant exactly tell these countries to get their own chips as we are getting them abroad in the first place XD (also a lot of these developing nations are HUGE in comparison to the UK or even the US).
Remember how back then you could buy a house in your 20's and now it's not even affordable in your 50's. This will happen with the computer market one day, mark my words.
Bought a 2060 right before the prices went up for about $350 which is as cheap as it gets here and now the minimum price for these in the whole country is above $1000 nice
There's no comeback for the gpu market. Even without shortages 200$ cards have been phased out and mid-range cards are in the mid 400$ range. it's over.
I fully agree. With the prices and the scalpers i think its not just bad to buy one in a monetary way but also in a moral way. Because buying now would show agreement with the price or the current situation. Both which i disagree highly.
I felt bad for paying 500$ for a RTX 2070 shortly before the Super version came out for a cheaper price. Now it feels like a fever dream, don't know whether to laugh or cry.
I think GPUs are actually pretty interesting right now, but not because of the products themselves or the situation the market finds itself in right now. It's more because of a shift in philosophies, where everyone in the industry is moving towards working smarter instead of harder while still pushing for graphical fidelity that makes our graphics cards cry in agony. DirectX 12 Ultimate's feature set is all about saving performance by "cheating" where you won't notice, and having bought a 2060 when it launched, seeing how DLSS progressed from the questionable feature that it was in Battlefield V to the highly desirable black magic that it is today has been nothing short of interesting. By comparison, my excitement for the CPU side of things is dying out. Zen 1 and Zen+ were interesting alternatives to Intel's offerings, with its own advantages and disadvantages. Zen 2 brought a very solid lineup overall that was a bit weaker in single-thread performance but extremely desirable thanks to its efficient and scalability all the way to 16 cores on a consumer platform. Then Zen 3 outdid Core in every way possible, and Intel can't keep up so AMD jacked up prices. I'm probably going to buy a 5900X in the future to replace my 2600, but my excitement for Zen 3 got dampened hard when AMD announced a 6 core processor for 300 dollars.
I've been tuning out hardware reviews for some of the same reasons while the CPU market has mostly recovered from shortages I'm not even considering a new CPU being on a Ryzen 3600 but GPU's are where it hurts the most for me as I'm running a 5700XT and have a 4K monitor and while it meets my needs right now I know this card's useful life for 4K is going to be limited to only holding me over for a generation or two at best if I want to keep settings turned up like I have been in most my titles.
Amds next generation gpus will also be using a chiplet design. Same with nvidias "hopper" gpu they are working on. Supposedly they will come with massive performance increases. Guess we will see. Due to my current card being "good enough" i am really just waiting for the next generation.. Also the shortage isnt just scalpers and miners. Its a general production limit. There simply arent enough semi conductor factories on the planet, and tsmc runs at full capacity and thats not enough..
i wasnt interested in upgrading for like 2 years since i was satisfied with my 980ti when i looked at cards recently out of sheer curiosity i was shocked at really how little there is, now im looking at my card anxiously hoping it will survive at least until this is over i mean really what are u gonna do if something fails in ur pc atm
I got used 1080ti for ~550$, with 2 years warranty. Now I can resell it for ~900-1000$ without any warranty at all. But I can't do it, because I can't buy a new GPU, because every single one is stupidly overpriced.
I used to own an AMD Phenom II X8 Black Edition back in the day. Man, time has passed since those days. I'm so glad that AMD pulled their thumb out of their ass and started to crush intel in the markets. Hopefully, they can keep it up and make Intel feel what it's like to be on the other side.
I bought a 2060S in early 2020. When I heard about the 3k series, and more specifically, the 3060 ti, I was saddened. Now, my 2060S is worth about 50% more on the used market than I paid up front for a new one, from a store, warranty and everything included Man, did I ever dodge a bullet. This scalping crap and all considered, a card performing in between the 1080 and 1080 ti in conventional rendering, and far outperforming it in vulkan and ray tracing, I feel like I've done a better deal.
I paid about $300 more than msrp for my 3070. Still was a great deal because I was able to sell my 2070 for $750 (It was an E-gpu that I was using in my desktop)
my 2080Ti purchase for $1170 before all this shit started turned out not that bad after all My previous 780Ti lasted 6.5 years before it died... I'm just getting more and more anxious that new card won't last long enough, so I when not absolutely needed I underclock it lower the power limit. I am not enjoying my 100Hz GSync monitor because of it, I am being content with 60 FPS.
@@bo-_t_-rs1152 From recent rumors, the highest end Intel Xe gpu's are around RTX 3070~RTX 3070 Ti performance levels. Why does that matter? Because Intel has 0 dGPU market share. I don't know about other people, but i am expecting some first gen zen competitive pricing from Raja and his team.
my gtx 1660 super bought 6 months ago for 220 quid is now selling on ebay for 350. No im not selling it but its ridiculous that the market has imploded like this
The GPU market is definitely in a terrible place right now for a variety of reasons, but GPU development is still somewhat interesting now that the two competing companies are roughly on par with one another and the software that is built upon them is still in its infancy. It's super exciting hearing about games like Metro Exodus: Enhanced Edition coming out with amazing new optimisations to look and run better than its predecessor ever did, and for less development time to boot, and to think of the potential applications we can make for them in the future. CPUs are still far more interesting as a whole though, because availability is one cornerstone of accessibility. I'm really looking forward to Alder Lake later this year even more than the next iteration of Zen, because it's a new direction for x86 CPUs with the BIG.little architecture approach.
