How I PROVED Overwatch is rigged... 

I think they do, cus they are the only ones taking this game relatively serious, rest of the numbers is filled up by blizzard AI bots, who couldnt tell left from right and are genuinely confused on where the point is.

Hard agree with the thumbnail. Based thumbnail stand by that shit and be about it.

It really does feel like matchmaking is so bad across the board in all ranks that I can’t believe blizzard didn’t rig this shit to make money off of noobs and to make an excuse for no integrity with their matchmaking. Kill 2 birds with 1 stone. Take no accountability and gaslight the skilled players.

It’s rigged and terrible lol

But but but.. Look at Metro. Almost every player who plays in his rank says he's bad and doesn't deserve that rank. But he's a content creator. Acti-Blizz has a matchmaker patent. In that patent it outlines that the game may put newbie players in same games with veteran players. The newbie player sees the PotG from the veteran player, sees the skin and thinks it looks dope since this badass just got a 4k with it. Makes them want to buy the skin. Your old hard stuck account, it has many many skins doesn't it? So the game keeps giving your newbie plebs to sell your skins to them, Here's a theory. Every hero you have, equip the OW2 default skin, unequip anything else. Put on default everything. Not sure if their system pays attention to what you're wearing at the time of queuing, or if it just looks at how much the account has. Might be worth a test though.

Don’t tell the unaware paste eaters on reddit this. Those dummies think overwatch is on the up and up

COD and other fps games do the same they give new accounts a slight advantage in some way to keep them playing if you start a game and get shit on you won't play as much

@@willtheconqueror6148 youi're being too generous by saying paste eaters. They more of crayon munchers

I made a post ther other day on how the matchmaking is rigged you go in on a 3-4 w then get 3-4 losses. Sometimes you will get a team that has no business being matched up against the other group.

this is so true, I have this alt that that is hard stuck mid plat but BUTTTTTT i have another account(s) all of my accounts that is hard stuck mid diamond.

So if you buy skins will it give you better teammates?

Yes you are a walking billboard fot new players, an advertisment for people to want to buy the skin too, call of duty does this very well and manipulates your matchmaking when your purchase new CoD bundles ​@Cemow777

@@Cemow777 Nope

Nope, it's not pay to win is have purchased stuff and my account is still in this weird 2 wins one hard as he'll possible lost

Or Hanzo yup

Speaking on behalf of the genji players on your team… this game is trash and I regret everything!

they're either awesome or without a doubt complete utter trash

Or a feeding tank

😂

Tbh for me as a tank player its even worse with dps diff in the game since I cant deal with dps on range really when they use the space their tank create while my dps stack together on one side and nothing dies......

Man, every comment section I see has one person saying "this is the worst state ever". This game has been in its worst state for almost 7 years at this point. Overwatch doesn't have a balance issue, is everything perfectly balanced no, but nothing is so broken like goats. The game mostly has a fun problem. To many characters are fun, by denying fun. Which isn't a balance issue. This community is so full of doomers

No no a FEW characters are fun by denying fun for the majority. Sombra and widow quite literally can hold entire games hostage. Got people shooting at ghosts. Those two in particular are absolutely fun killers. They are an actual disease in this game. Widow shouldn’t even exist. What a fundamentally ridiculous character to have. To take a single step out of spawn and respawn. Delete that bitch

@@matthewking7571 a lot of people have doomer mindset and just dont know what they are talking about or completely blinded by rage. Ive been playing for years and right now is way more fun than season 7 of ow2. right, id still kinda prefer season 11 or 10 but its pretty chill. not the best no where near the worst.

@baldfelix1841 thank you. People in this community play this game because nostalgia, almost not because they like the game now. Honestly, outside of bad teammates, and a handful of characters, I'm really enjoying the game. I don't think people realize how high quality this game really is, compared to even other shooters. It also isn't nearly as plagued with cheaters. It's even pretty balanced. Plus it's not all about crowd control and shields now

samito

I'm just gonna make more accounts then, the stress is not worth it and they don't deserve microtransaction money doing loyal fans this way. Wish it could just go back to the old days where there was less predetermined Ws and lobby's felt fun.

No one plays well all the time. Someone having an off day (or being drunk or high) doesn't mean you're not high ranked

​@@lukasg4807It's not just not being sharp it's just the game knowledge like reins even with the ability to stop pins ow2 charging off maps like this is bronze 5 meanwhile I'm over here popping off trying to push diamond yes sure you'll get leavers smurfs off days, but the amount of unbalanced games were ppl are clearly leagues above each other even though it's supposed to be similar ranked players is ridiculous

@@lukasg4807 We're talking about 50% or more of matches having players not com'ing and making big mistakes. If there are that many, either people are boosted or there is something else going on. So many profiles private, you would never know.

I'm sure this is true to some degree... Blizzard wouldn't have separated SR from MMR unless they wanted to mislead you about the skill of the lobby in some way, shape, or form.

High rank players are the sacrificial lambs. High rank plays just for the sake of playing/ to improve. But we serve as cannon fodder or a control variable for low rank/ paying customers to control the outcome of their games more.

My 7 year old main account is hardstuck diamond too, but my 3 year old alt is currently gm5 top 230.. So yeah..

No you do budge you just need a 70+ winrate for 20+ games to go from d3 to m5 till the rank reset ofc

Its funny I was masters/GM in ow1 but didn't play first few season of ow2. Then when I came back I played on a steam deck so I was just throwing games 😂. Now I've been hard stuck diamond/plat ever since.

The thing is, it's not like the game tracks what players are doing in these games. It has no way to determine the subjective skill, or human component. No video game has a flawless team ranked mode. The game has smurf detection ad well, so it'll push you farther faster. This "problem" is rather easy to explain. Look at any community, they have this issue. People don't like the fact that ranked systems are designed to put you where you belong, not where you want It is rather unfortunate that people's history can hold you back. But that's how they are designed to be on their fair, but competitive side

few things just wrong first overwatch doesnt currently have a hidden mmr system, whatever rank it shows is what rank it believes you are, when your in placements your rank is more violitle, the ONLY exception being placements, i believe how placements work is they put you in the elo you would be if you won your next game (basically 1 division up) i know this from a lot of testing its not just speculation. Meaning the shit about "the more play time the more sure they are of your rank" is just not relative to this. (Also that is a perfectly fine and normal way to do systems a 1k game player should not be able to win streak and out climb a fresh account that would cause a lot of issues) If you believe there is hidden mmr or dont understand how it works i can explain in more detail just ask. Yes there is a debate saying win streaks and loss streaks should be worth more because it is a heavy team game, but not really too important. Climbing in overwatch has not even 1% to do with "performing in a way that makes the mmr system believe oyu deserve higher", for one because the mmr just works off of a few factors and only these factors not debatable. Win = 20% loss = -20%, if your team is higher rank you gain less you lose more, if your on a win or lose streak (more than 3 games i think when it starts even if it doesnt display yes i did testing) you will slowly gain more or less. If your account is on placements your gains are much more volitile, you cant lose sr in placements and you can gain a lot especially if you win streak. If your account is just off placements and has calibration your rank is more volitile for the upcoming games until it wears off and you return to the default of +-20%, only exception being a pressure factor depending on how close you are from the top or bottom of the ladder gains slightly push you to the center (low rank gain more high rank gain less but i believe they vastly changed this system in season 12). You can argue this is a form of hidden mmr, but not really remotely how other systems work. in a game like league of legends even on a 1000 game account its possible to start gaining more per win or losing more per win for the next 100 games and you will be put in lobbies higher rank than you are (a gold can be put in diamond if on a fresh account) To climb in overwatch you simply win more than you lose (technically only exception is gm or bronze as the tops and bottoms of the ladder gains are different as a gm4-3 i was gainning average 17-19% per game i could 55% wr and derank in champ) yes because the nature of the game it can be really hard to climb out of some ranks but this has absolutely 0% to do with the account and 100% to do with just unlucky matches, mental variables, and so on. I have over 10 accounts, 3 of which have been or are gm+ and others hover from bronze-diamond, ive been in every rank in the game for at least 50 hours+ each on a different account

It's in their Activision-Blizzard matchmaking patent.

That is definitely happening to me. I have been playing since 2018 and I keep getting put with people that definitely don’t have much experience with the game and don’t belong in the lobby 😂

Me too lol literally me exactly I was t 500 last season now I’m hard stuck m5 lol

I would give a kidney to be stuck in masters 5. My guy what a dream. Please I want your problems. Give me your burdens. If there is a god one day I can be “stuck” in masters 5

everyone has good and bad seasons, i peaked gm3 rank 71 this season. the meta doesnt support every player, sometimes you just get unlucky even if you deserve higher, usually you will always gain your rank back, at the start of this season my account was m3 20% and my dps was higher rank than my sup i dont even play dps.

I've also noticed that for me personally i get low master to even top 500 against me in QP but in ranked i average diamond cause i just didn't find it as enjoyable but with how QP has been for me recently I've had to start playing ranked just to have some even games. (have 500 hours from OW1 and maybe 150 hours from OW2)

this part "also has anyone noticed, when you play on newer ow2 accounts you will also play against newer accounts and have them on your team (no title, not much stuff to see on the account.. etc) but when you play on aged/seasoned accounts you will find many players again and again that you maybe have known for a long time" is just speculation and bias, its wrong basically fresh account i made insane qp mmr because im a good player first game in ranked entire lobby is full of players i know from my main account pro players ow1 players everything i started gm5 this was like 2 weeks ago. qp mmr only affects your first ranked placement and nothing else, this is how it works in literally every game. yes that means if you dont play qp and only play ranked your qp will be a lot lower or other way around.

I'm a player that has played tons of Qp and my theory is this. The game has it's own baseline Mmr system that then triggers conditional calculation depending on some extra factors. What i mean by that is that the game knows that your overall performance has been lets say, 4000 mmr, all accross the board. If you play qp it will then match you with very wide spectrum of players. Bcs the average is lot lower than 4000 mmr, it internally assigns you as the carry of your team and can place you with golds. On the other team it's similar case, but bcs it's very lenient it might end up matching 4 masters and 1 gm vs 1 gm, 2 gold, 1 plat and 1 master. I've had games against top500 players few times with very low rank teammates as for ranked it works similar, but it's stricter and more narrow. However, sometimes your baseline mmr can complicate things because it lets one mode influence the other. In those cases you end getting very weird matches. Generally the less you play and less modes you play, the more scarce the data it works with and the more extreme the system's view of you is There also seems to be priorities when the system makes mathmaking and placement decision. It goes kinda like this: 1.Don't disappoint players with low playtime, make it feel good for them 2.don't let very strong players stay in low ranks 3.find good matches for new low players 4.find good matches for new mid-high players 5.if you can't find matches, take one high elo player and place them with lower elo teammates vs. Full Mid elo enemy team 6. Find good matches for old active accounts It'd take way too long to explain how i got to this conclusion, but just think about new account always seem to have it smoother, how unranked to GM end up in masters right after placenent 90% of the cases. How it's way more likely to get outmatched by whole team rather than have only 1 sticking out (when that 1 appears it's always smurf that's still in placement), how there's very bad players with high rank who have like 90h in the game, how it's much more likely to get stuck back to a rank you've been at some point etc. And you think about it, all these priorities start to make sense, from Bizzard's POV: the top is the players that need to be babysitted the most and spoiled so they stick around, and the bottom is players expected to stay and put up with shit bcs that's what they've been doing for years

@@yoyo-van how qp mmr alone does 100% work each role has a specified rank and it is 100% identical to competitive if you are actually curious do some research you will find out more. The reason why you feel like it might place you as the carry is because they added a system (a very good system at that but mostly good for competitive not qp) in which enemies will always have one player around your skill level, if I’m gm mmr tank I will always face another gm mmr tank but since qp is so lenient in match making and also qp mmr is much more subjective for skill level you can get unfair games. Recently I was queuing on a gm mmr tank with a bunch of like silver players and one new player if I was on tank we got stomped every game because it raises the average rank by a ton if I was on dps it’s a lot easier and we always won. If I were to soloq on one of those accounts usually is the same experience but more balanced since I have higher ranked teams, I’d always be the carry because my mmr is the highest and usually the enemy would he high mmr too to match me. It’s often how high ranked qp mmr works. Qp match making is shit for winning in every game it is and that’s ok the goal of it is not to give favorable matches the goal is to make people have fun and balance of games is just one of many variables they look at. Though the mmr is identical to competitive the match maker is not

Then why do I get placed with people that have lvl 2-3 endorsement when I'm 5?

@@FIAFTIDF couldnt tell you

No it's not. Spilo made a video clearly explaining this, what you said is a massive misconception

Yea in newer account manipulating MMR is the key If you can push it artificially high as possible, games own MMR system will be your greatest tool because it will push you "where you belong" If you are actually competive player, you will do this thing sooner or later and your first games on that newer account is most important ones than actually your first ranked games Your first ranked games will be the scope what you will use as scope to calculate can you reach your desired rank In overwtach you want to land on high plat - low diamond so you know you can climb to high ranks easily because of bloated mmr If you play lol, your desired starting rank is either high plat-diamond 4 so you can gain 34-38 lp per win and only suffer 3-8 lp per loss In new accounts, treat your first games like your life depends on them so you can bloat MMR high as possible and play like that is your last day on earth

im same as you, plat most of playtime and hit diamond few times. i just deleted the game, cuz most matches are boring, you need to play tens matches to catch an intresting close 50/50 game that give you different emotions and intention to play again even if you lose. most of matches are not close and one team destroy another. i dont get any good emotions if i win in it, i feel bad for loser team, and i feel only annoyance and intention to hit alt+f4 and delete the game if i lose

Strikes are cool and all but wait until you hit a good STREAK. Man those win STREAKS are grrreat 🐯

You realize most mmr systems use these kinda modifiers? Right? It's literally a common function. Like what

​@matthewking7571 but is it necessary? I don't think so. I would say that the OP is right on this one, if you for whatever reason manipulate the matchmaking it no longer is competitive. Pure and simple. Prevent cheaters from ruining the experience and leave ranking up and down to peoples skill. I would love to be able to actually play on my main and get people of my skill and competency level in my matches.

@@masloking12 you literally didn't talk about anything I said. Almost every ranked mode, in any game, has modifiers. Point blank and simple. So no he's not

@@matthewking7571 blud modifiers are fine if they are simple too, you open up too many possibilities with these bum ass mmr systems where we have genuinely no fucking clue what's going on, and i guarantee nor do the devs. In your head ur thinking oh it's prob just some small modifier like +10% here -10% there, i guarantee you that is not the fucken case and if u play any of these comp games long enough u just know it because the behaviour is not controllable

@keg7991 they aren't really that confusing at all, they are pretty simple. Streaks affect it, uncertainty affects it, and expected results affect it. Those are the 3 major modifiers, if not the only. The point of a ranked system is to find the most competitively balanced environment for you, for how often you win or lose. They aren't that complicated at all, and many mmr systems use modifiers. So I don't understand what so complicated, or even rigged about it

yea the masters players since s9 play like legit ow1 golds alot of the times, its so boring when my dps and supports are all negative lol

Ranked matches shouldn’t be about mmr, only about what rank you are 😔

​@@h2woah127the problem with that is smurfs camping low ranks never climbing on purpose it's harder to do that with current system

I wanna dismiss crazy shit like this, but then Activision will get caught with its pants down admitting that they know about every big name streamer thats using walls/aimbot but refuse to ban them until they're exposed to the public.

as a tank with the little impact the role can have with enough counter picking and 0 help from your team yeah.

I’m hard stuck masters 5 lol

Also I get constant 6 minute q’s in m5

MMR can be manipulated but in everygame it has to be done very moment you create account, regardless of game, be it Dota2, League, Overwatch etc. Most match making systems follow this core philosophy because it has been proven to work 90% of games casual player base For casuals, this is amazing thing because it will put you in more balanced games but to hard core gamers towards less than 5% of the peaks, it will be a hell at times Edit: So if your teammates feel better to play with newer account, its not science to figure out that you have manipulated to artificially push mmr high as possible so system tries to push you "where you belong", this is core idea what MMR elo boosters do and sell many boosted accounts be it league or overwatch, and yes, it is sad as it sounds

So saying your match making system is rigged is like saying water is wet and sky is blue for gamers who have played MMR match making games over 12 years Edit: those who say games are not rigged are casual players, they have never actually reached games peak player base to actually feel the impact of the match making system So of course they will say games is not rigged but in reality it works as intended, casuals just dont know they are being pushed to play like this years and years

Ah cool so you don’t know. Could have just said that then.

@@akimbofresh8109 Unnecessarily rude my guy. Just stating the facts that we know about the system and then giving speculation on his specific experience. The only people who know definitively how matchmaking works are Blizzard's employees, and they can't disclose all aspects of the system for exploitative and NDA reasons. Even then, a lot of it comes down to luck. Blizzard can't control how a player performs on every hero, on every map, at every rank, and at every point of time. Blizzard can only make an educated guess based on past/average performances.

Other than obviously new players r seen as more important

Um, it detected his was smurfing. So that's bad?

Sad realities of a new account

What a stupid fucking take. What are 'crap lobbies'? How is it defined by Blizzard's matchmaking? How would they know? Based on conduct? If so, then it would mean his account has similarly bad conduct score and he deserves the company he finds himself in.

I have a simmilar story my account was placed around 4.3k in ow 1 but I didnt play ow2 for quite a while when I came back and scrimmed in 4k around it was no problem but I got placed in freaking plat.....and this games where hard as hell on tank when no dps plays angles at all and everyone stacks up on one angle while the enemy have map control and you get flamed as the tank while you cant do anything in the situation.

From "…it’s almost guaranteed" to "maybe I’m wrong idk" Brilliant.

@@akimbofresh8109 it’s called “leaving room to learn.” i think it’s pretty it’s okay to change my opinion on things if i’m given more context/information that supports another outcome. i don’t have to ride out for one opinion until the end of time just cause it was my first opinion. maybe you should look into it

@@akimbofresh8109if i want to change my opinion due to new information that supports another perspective i can. it’s too small of a sample size to say for 100% what happened with the account. that why i said “almost” guaranteed.