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How I reverse engineer a chip 

Robert Baruch
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A whirlwind tour of my procedure going from physical chip to annotated die image to schematic to wiki page to you!
Some updates since I made this video: I no longer have a Patreon. I ditched them after they started becoming unfriendly to small contributors and small projects by making the fee structure punishing for those.
Also, why do this? For me personally, it's primarily curiosity, a DIY desire to build up skills, my own education, and trying to build a nice library of images on project5474.org for others to learn from. There are practical applications for more modern chips, namely investigations for patent infringement, and of course competitive research. "Reverse engineering" doesn't just mean "I don't know how this works", but "I want to find out exactly how this was implemented". Different chip manufacturers built the same logic chips in different ways and it's interesting to see the differences.
More on the process:
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@k5at
@k5at 5 лет назад
I worked for TI back in 1972-74 and was part of the design team that designed many of the LS series of parts, including this one.
@nandoedwin1
@nandoedwin1 5 лет назад
This is really one nice comment to find on youtube, LS chips have been used all over the world as an introduction for electronics and still in use, I really hope you feel nice knowing that your work helped me out to get into electronics and a lot of people out there too, thank you sir.
@k5at
@k5at 5 лет назад
@@nandoedwin1 Thanks for the reply. I worked at TI for about 6 years, Also for Apple Computer for 5 years and Dell Computer for 1 year. I was the battery expert at Dell. BTW, some of the TI Chips will have my initials on the die.
@RWBHere
@RWBHere 9 месяцев назад
Did the same thing with the devices which I helped to develop in the 70's and 80's @@k5at A skilled craftsperson likes to leave a mark. 😉 It's sometimes amazing how small and unobtrusive a signature you can leave.
@varshneydevansh
@varshneydevansh 8 месяцев назад
@@k5at OMG this is so cool. I bought LS chips to build my Ben Eater style 8 bit computer
@krishnabirla
@krishnabirla 5 лет назад
"Although it might not look like it, some steps can take days" he says. Well, it does look like most steps can take days. Amazing work.
@metaparcel
@metaparcel 5 лет назад
This seems like some sort of lost art.
@JOELwindows7
@JOELwindows7 5 лет назад
This is your daily dose of Recommendation Reverse engineering chips
@Rainbow__cookie
@Rainbow__cookie 5 лет назад
Yeah and this is quite fun to watch Thanks RU-vid
@JOELwindows7
@JOELwindows7 5 лет назад
@@Rainbow__cookie yeah. Thx RU-vid.
@thehonkening1
@thehonkening1 5 лет назад
Beats the TMZ news abt Kylie Jenner that was just recommended to me
@millanferende6723
@millanferende6723 5 лет назад
This is lie when I encountered painting restorations. Quite relaxing.
@JOELwindows7
@JOELwindows7 5 лет назад
@@millanferende6723 yess. Such relacc
@The.Doctor.Venkman
@The.Doctor.Venkman 5 лет назад
Thank you for doing this for the EE community and future generations.
@princeedhwardhezmi6469
@princeedhwardhezmi6469 5 лет назад
As someone who learm EE i can say google is scaring me cus how did they know i learn EE
@harrisons62
@harrisons62 5 лет назад
Adhwa Hazim KATERIMEIKA RIKAZIKIRIN Zulkifli hopefully you’re not learning in an English speaking country
@princeedhwardhezmi6469
@princeedhwardhezmi6469 5 лет назад
@@harrisons62 luckily i live in Malaysia, so our mother tongue is not English, but our secondary compulsory language is English ahahah
@shahbazkhan270
@shahbazkhan270 5 лет назад
@@princeedhwardhezmi6469 google is always listening to u
@2GFactFinder
@2GFactFinder 4 года назад
It took several hours in college for us to learn this art, but you explained it in just 5 minutes. Great video.
@DemocracyManifest-vc5jn
@DemocracyManifest-vc5jn 4 месяца назад
You learned this in college?
@mattd773
@mattd773 5 лет назад
Holy smokes. I've used computers for a long time. But not as much on the circuit board and chip level. Seeing your photo results and describing the lay out of the chip was really eye opening for me. Also I've never seen the different layers like that before. Very cool. Thank you.
@chedidkamal837
@chedidkamal837 5 лет назад
1986: we will gonna have flying cars in the 2020s 2020s: we will try to reverse EVERY 80s chip
@thereborne5219
@thereborne5219 5 лет назад
wish we could write messages in doritos xd
@darrenmarchant1720
@darrenmarchant1720 5 лет назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-y4qf4s19Aog.html FIRST PERSONAL MULTICOPTER WAS TESTED IN THE USA
@Nyarmith
@Nyarmith 5 лет назад
this is too real
@xcvsdxvsx
@xcvsdxvsx 5 лет назад
quality comment right here
@yowut8075
@yowut8075 5 лет назад
Think nasa could go to the moon today?
@henricoderre
@henricoderre 3 года назад
Your work is amazing and immensely appreciated by those of us who like to know, but can not afford to.
@enrices
@enrices 2 года назад
Thank you so much for contributing so much to the community ! People like you make this world possible
@PerchEagle
@PerchEagle 5 лет назад
That's so beautiful work, you can explain some of the basics of electronics engineering.
@soulwaker44
@soulwaker44 7 лет назад
What a beautiful work station. I wish I had something of the same caliber. Great video Robert!
@DjSeptimus
@DjSeptimus 7 лет назад
Wow didn't know about ICE program. I am a photographer and make panoramas, I think this will be my new tool of choice.
@oljobo
@oljobo 5 лет назад
Real Talk? Yep, it works, and it's FREE 😃😃
@SameBasicRiff
@SameBasicRiff 5 лет назад
i love that people like you do these things and make videos like this!
@aimless3827
@aimless3827 5 лет назад
It took so long for youtube to recommend channel like this. I lovw your diy things.
@Asdayasman
@Asdayasman 5 лет назад
I feel like there's a huge gap between "here's a high quality image of each layer" and "here's the chip reverse engineered".
@eventhorizon8014
@eventhorizon8014 5 лет назад
i was hoping for more, too. Interesting nontheless :)
@greekstraycats
@greekstraycats 5 лет назад
Well, I guess this is not true for the pure TTL devices. There is not too much voodoo on those chips
@Breadbored.
@Breadbored. 5 лет назад
@Fez Paladin Check out EEVBlog. Dave does some videos on reverse engineering circuit boards. While they're larger and easier to see, the principle remains the same(or very similar). He's also quite comical to watch.
@dfs-comedy
@dfs-comedy 5 лет назад
You can identify transistors visually and trace out the interconnect. It's not that hard... Just a bit tedious.
@Asdayasman
@Asdayasman 5 лет назад
@@dfs-comedy Dianne, please see my hundreds of upvotes and every single reply to my comment other than you having no idea to please realise you might not know how hard something that you can do easily is.
@lexluthor3890
@lexluthor3890 5 лет назад
This is the first video I've come across that you've made. Now I'm going to check out the decapping video and more!
@PoulLarsenmusic
@PoulLarsenmusic 5 лет назад
This is the coolest thing I've ever seen. I could watch the stitch image layering all day for relaxation
@emikosuzuki4328
@emikosuzuki4328 5 лет назад
Me: learning chip design ...and RU-vid recommends this video
@vinigretzky97
@vinigretzky97 5 лет назад
jup, they are listening. always. just last weekend i discussed the fall of the soviet union with my dad. one day later, youtube recommends me the tagesschau from 89 (fall of DDR).
@miche4444
@miche4444 5 лет назад
@@vinigretzky97 or he made some research on Google
@EnricoZulu
@EnricoZulu 5 лет назад
@@miche4444 we don't trust you GLaDOS
@MarkMcDaniel
@MarkMcDaniel 5 лет назад
Same. ECE student.
@dannylu6230
@dannylu6230 5 лет назад
Me:Doing nothing. RU-vid: Hey do you want to know how he does this?
@mr.apparatus9108
@mr.apparatus9108 5 лет назад
Thank you for being so thorough. This is awesome.
@RWBHere
@RWBHere 9 месяцев назад
Thanks for showing us your very serviceable setup. 🙂👍Used to do this sort of thing professionally, almost half a century ago. It's slow, patient, fascinating and satisfying work. We also used near-UV light at high magnification (1200x and higher) to find surface features down to about a micron in width. A micron wide feature appears as a fuzzy line in that light, but you can make good use of interference patterns to figure out exactly what is going on. You can also etch through the layers of Silicon, to learn about Gate sizes, Oxide depths, doping depths, etc. It's possible to discern depths and thicknesses down to within a few hundred Angstroms, using similar optical methods and very careful etching; controlling etchant temperature, concentrations, mixtures and temperatures.
@jean-baptistelasselle4562
@jean-baptistelasselle4562 5 лет назад
Hi Robert, to answer your question : Yes I enjoyed very much your video. I fell on it on youtube, and it's exactly what I would have dreamt of, without even trying to ask : You are here describing in high details, th work cycle of professional hardware engineering. Maybe I'll have an opportunity to explain you why, I was digging everywhere to find that. Many thanks for your excellent work : I know how much work it is to make videos that feel so easy and informative at the same time Jean-Baptiste
@DIY3DTECHcom
@DIY3DTECHcom 5 лет назад
This is amazing! I never realized this was even possible...
@repairtech9320
@repairtech9320 5 лет назад
The movie Paycheck comes to mind looking at your work.
@AD-qw4fh
@AD-qw4fh 5 лет назад
This is such great work and a lot of help for others who might need it for reference.
@Alan96555
@Alan96555 5 лет назад
Que bueno que encontre tu canal, tenes publicadas muchas cosas interesantes! Saludos desde argentina!
@shridharpatil8310
@shridharpatil8310 5 лет назад
I am really grateful to your work , thanks robert sir
@lilhotdog7011
@lilhotdog7011 5 лет назад
Impressive... he's the type of person that keeps humanity moving forward.
@pr395
@pr395 5 лет назад
lil hotdog I just thinking the same!
@shyleshsrinivasan5092
@shyleshsrinivasan5092 5 лет назад
Wow ! Very interesting and well made ! Thanks a lot for sharing !
@TinkerManMick
@TinkerManMick 5 лет назад
Very clever! That looks like a heck load of work mate
@markmaker2488
@markmaker2488 5 лет назад
I’d love to see this chip built out onto a pcb. That would be cool.
@redoverdrivetheunstoppable4637
this kind of bipolar oldies (used sometimes nowadays), 74LS**, have an equivalent circuit quite often sketched on the datasheet... CMOS ones may have a bit of problems more, since the mosfets are not a standard type, they are specifically engeneered for complementary operation... you can use in that case a CD4007 to have some "free" mosfets for the use, but that chip is.... already a chip
@tseawell90
@tseawell90 5 лет назад
Hmm yes of course
@Rynstick
@Rynstick 5 лет назад
@@redoverdrivetheunstoppable4637 exacly why make a chip with a chip actually it can be usefull if the chip is just multiple chip in 1 but in this case its not its a circuit of transistor and resistor that need a plastic case to not die instantly because of ambient noise
@arcspwan7867
@arcspwan7867 6 лет назад
This is quite informative. This would be amazing if you could do this for the Gameboy MBC(memory bank controllers) and the Gameboy Advance custom Arm7tdmi.
@unaphiliated5090
@unaphiliated5090 5 лет назад
I remember the big softcover books that TI made to describe their chips, the LS172 was a popular one.
@jayscoottey
@jayscoottey 5 лет назад
As someone in their second year of EET at college, this blows my mind.
@lolbots
@lolbots 5 лет назад
quit while you're ahead, kid
@qayoumsharpyade6980
@qayoumsharpyade6980 5 лет назад
This is amazing ... You are today's real IT scientist ...
@boonedockjourneyman7979
@boonedockjourneyman7979 4 года назад
Thank you. You are a very patient person.
@ferna2294
@ferna2294 Год назад
You are on another level. This is GOLD.
@elkrutarth
@elkrutarth 5 лет назад
that's insane, blows my mind away. How much affort someone has to required in order to do that?!?!? thanks man.
@nagendranayak5010
@nagendranayak5010 5 лет назад
Never seen any content like this...I really appreciate this awesome work...(new sub to ur channel, hope I get awesome deconstructions & many more)😊
@jorgemata9165
@jorgemata9165 5 лет назад
I don't understand it, but I admire the technical prowess.
@nicepush2574
@nicepush2574 5 лет назад
Oh man, how much I need the SC01-A chip from Votrax reversed engineered. ........ That would really save a lot of pinball enthusiasts. .......
@Filaxsan
@Filaxsan 5 лет назад
That's not a lot of work... that's a lot of QUALITY work!! Woow man, great article and video, thanks for sharing!
@hardwareful
@hardwareful 5 лет назад
It looks like you have a trinocular microscope or at least a switchable camera port. Having had an AmScope with the latter configuration I ended up 3D-printing a clamp to which a wooden board was screwed. The board, having a notch and a covering of foam tape allowed one to just place the phone onto it, looking at a regular eyepiece popped into the camera port. It's a worthwhile build that maintains the convenience and connectivity of a smartphone.
@SteveHacker
@SteveHacker 5 лет назад
I had no idea this was even possible! My mind is blown! MAN, I wish I could study with you!
@svendittmann3105
@svendittmann3105 5 лет назад
James Bond could that already
@atanughosh8312
@atanughosh8312 5 лет назад
Mr. Baruch very informative video, thanks from an Indian.
@gcm4312
@gcm4312 4 года назад
thank you for your open knowledge contributions
@manjeetkumar
@manjeetkumar 5 лет назад
This guy is master of this art.
@saskiavanhoutert3190
@saskiavanhoutert3190 5 лет назад
Fantastic work that is done, like it, makes technology more futher possible
@Textra1
@Textra1 4 года назад
It would be epic if you reverse engineered the Amiga custom chipset. But that would take a very long time and cost a bit. Especially now the chips are getting rarer.
@boonedockjourneyman7979
@boonedockjourneyman7979 2 года назад
Ever think about powering the dies up? Things like optoisolators would be interesting. I use a stack shot macro stage which makes things easy.
@MrKrisstain
@MrKrisstain 5 лет назад
I've recently started to enjoy RU-vid recommendations, because at times it actuall gets it right! Like this video/channel. Some weird geek talking about how he reverse engineers chips: wow! Instant subscription!
@mauler1783
@mauler1783 5 лет назад
Excellent job doing this work.
@MrTacoSr
@MrTacoSr 5 лет назад
Wow! Really great for future EE’s to learn! Thank you for your work
@tanmaywho
@tanmaywho 5 лет назад
Damn that's a lot of work.
@Kenji314159
@Kenji314159 5 лет назад
Wow, that is respectable work. Good job.
@shoaib_zubair
@shoaib_zubair 4 года назад
RU-vidr: any suggestions? Comments: nice vedio.
@jdlives8992
@jdlives8992 4 года назад
I miss the late 80s early 90s. Best music ever.ps this guy could be extremely Dangerous If he wanted to. I hope people understand the level of smartness that he is demonstrating
@oleglosev3510
@oleglosev3510 2 года назад
Your work is impressive..thanks for sharing it.
@UNGETABLE7
@UNGETABLE7 5 лет назад
Who on earth would dislike this? Nice one my friend! Have an awesome day!
@MarkSeve
@MarkSeve 5 лет назад
Beautiful work.
@CloudandZack1st
@CloudandZack1st 5 лет назад
hey! nice raise 3d printer mate. In the last months me and a co worker were able to convince the company we work for to buy one. We got the pro plus and it is amazing.
@TheArtofRepair
@TheArtofRepair 5 лет назад
What a fantastic channel, keep it up.
@ramwagh2103
@ramwagh2103 5 лет назад
Great job you've done there....This is something new I learnt today......Keep it up
@hullinstruments
@hullinstruments 5 лет назад
Very interesting! I don’t know a lot about electronics… I’ve only been learning for a few years. But I go to a local electronics recycling place almost every day for a few hours. A buddy of mine runs the yard and I get some pretty neat things. If you’ll tell me where to look… I’ll keep an eye out for certain industrial Devices and old things that might have chips you want in them. I collect chips and parts. Iv desoldered over tens of thousands of parts in the last three years. I know that sounds ridiculous and exaggerated but it’s not. I developed a method of using low pressure through an air compressor and a handheld modified airbrush, along with a soldiering in the other hand… And I can desolder a 16 pin dip chip in a matter of a few seconds. I started doing it to learn and collect parts that I could use in projects... and after a few months kept going because it’s like a treasure hunt… and although it isn’t worth my time to salvage and save parts for the sole purpose of reusing them… I still enjoy it because of the treasure hunt. . Sure it’s great to have them in stock, But it’s almost a full-time job salvaging that many parts in keeping them organized. And there is no time left over building projects… And not mention these are used parts were talking about. So after removing testing and cataloging hundreds of parts per day five days a week for a year and a half… Now I only go for the big IGBT’s, and other expensive or beautiful components. I love Collecting parts that are visually appealing, or interesting some other way. Especially when Government corporations or large industrial companies bring high-grade weird and interesting things to the scrap yard. So I focus on that and pretty much avoid consumer-electronics unless they’re super old! I love old White and purple ceramic chips… they are my favorite! And of course I could get most of them on eBay for pennies or a few dollars… But it’s more fun if I only add parts to my collection that I find myself! I have over 150 pounds of transistors. Spread over half a dozen parts storage drawer banks. If I take out the weight of the drawer banks there’s at least 150 pounds of semiconductors. And my favorites are framed in a flat case… Stuck in foam. I love finding really old chips, fancy TO-3 package transistors that were hand-painted Or have colorful silkscreen Graphics, and all kinds of other weird things like early examples of LEDs. I know very little about the electronic theory, however I have put together a humble TestBench with test gear that I mostly repaired myself. I can do the basic stuff like look for burned areas, replace filter caps, maybe do a bit of in circuit testing. That’s as far as I go. I just can’t wrap my head around the rest yet. However I’m hoping one day I can understand it well enough to do some more interesting things with the old parts I salvage. Would be awesome to sit down and get the old parts out, characterize all of these cool transistors and chips with my curve tracers and other test gear. I just think it would be a lot of fun Sorry to ramble on… But if you can give me an idea where to look or what kind of parts you’re interested in… I’ll be glad to help. I Maybe even have some old transistors and weird things that you might disassemble or cut cross sections out of. That’s another thing I will eventually try. I already have gemstone cutting equipment and lapidary gear so it would be cool to do cut cross sections of all types of components… And photograph them under my microscope. Anyway let me know if I can help.!m,
@quantummath
@quantummath 5 лет назад
wonderful work
@MMaheshThakur
@MMaheshThakur 5 лет назад
Wow what a video. First time I seen inside a chip
@isettech
@isettech 5 лет назад
This is for low to medium scale integration. Modern CPU's have feature widths less than the wavelength of visible light and can't be optically resolved. These lines turn into iridescent colors much like the coloring of many butterflies. A modern CPU chip contains many more layers covering the lower layers so individual transistor elements can not be seen. The ability to see individual lines started to end with chips getting features smaller than 1 micron.
@GabrielKleinCH
@GabrielKleinCH 5 лет назад
Lot of simple but clever ideas! :)
@pepefubias7654
@pepefubias7654 4 года назад
thank you robert i can´t get it but it is so nice to see such meticulous work impresive very impresive i wonder if there are videos showing the normal process i mean how they make them but i think this is much more difficult in a way specially made in this artisan way incredible thanks again for showing us so well
@Mortum_Rex
@Mortum_Rex 5 лет назад
I think I just watched the nerdiest unboxing video. Still enjoyed it. Thanks
@Construction-agencyCoUk
@Construction-agencyCoUk 3 года назад
so cool - great vid robert!
@statstutorials
@statstutorials 5 лет назад
congratulations, you have achieved the nerdiest hobby to ever exist
@cholesterol6703
@cholesterol6703 4 года назад
Thank you for a good laugh, Nathan.
@cosmic_husky
@cosmic_husky 5 лет назад
This was very nice, thank you for sharing this with us.
@cepi24
@cepi24 4 года назад
Sir this was amazing. Thank you very much for your amazing work
@iangraham6730
@iangraham6730 5 лет назад
That line of work would drive me f#cking mad..
@malikjunaid1
@malikjunaid1 5 лет назад
This is simply great work. Thumbs up for you.
@Rousnay
@Rousnay 7 лет назад
Great video and happy to see such work station
@3deeguy
@3deeguy 5 лет назад
Wow. I didn't expect this video to hold my interest. I loved it. I just subscribed.
@LukeSeed
@LukeSeed Год назад
Excellent engineering!
@NIKHILRAJSKYNET
@NIKHILRAJSKYNET 5 лет назад
Im a student, so all i can give you is like..
@canss1951
@canss1951 5 лет назад
If you are real student, stop messing with games
@embodyingocean189
@embodyingocean189 3 года назад
@@canss1951 what lmao
@beratbaki1681
@beratbaki1681 5 лет назад
Respect!
@flatasdesqa
@flatasdesqa 7 лет назад
Awesome video, thanks! Regarding the stitching of photos, there's also a nice open-source/multiplatform program called "Hugin". I used it when stitching scans of old schematics and it worked great.
@artgingo5494
@artgingo5494 5 лет назад
I don't understand anything about this but this looks interesting. Great vid!
@alphagaming5455
@alphagaming5455 5 лет назад
2:48 now that's new, i never knew there is a program like that on microsoft.... hahahaha
@hotplugin
@hotplugin 5 лет назад
Excellent work
@paulogp4629
@paulogp4629 5 лет назад
Oh, man... It's a lot of work. Congrats!
@bryanotero123
@bryanotero123 7 лет назад
Im not into this kind of stuff but yet u deserved a subscribe, amazing stuff
@dfs-comedy
@dfs-comedy 5 лет назад
Huh! Interesting. I did this in 1996-1999 at a company for (then) state-of-the-art chips. Image acquisition was only 20% of the effort; I also wrote a tool for assisting with the reverse engineering. Modern chips have features too small to be seen optically. Pretty much have to use electron microscopy now. But doing this in a home setup is very impressive. Well done!
@holdencommodorehsv
@holdencommodorehsv 5 лет назад
Why just fof study why reverse engineering chip?
@dfs-comedy
@dfs-comedy 5 лет назад
@@holdencommodorehsv Chips are reverse-engineered for two main reasons: competitive intelligence (find out what the competition is up to) and searching for patent infringement.
@holdencommodorehsv
@holdencommodorehsv 5 лет назад
@@dfs-comedy ty
@whiteflag2366
@whiteflag2366 5 лет назад
This is very cool! Nice job!
@lil-warning
@lil-warning 5 лет назад
New to your RU-vid and love to see more, I'll support you just keep it up!
@adisharr
@adisharr 5 лет назад
Very interesting! Thank you for sharing the process :)
@djtecthreat
@djtecthreat Год назад
Thank you for your work!!
@ITpanda
@ITpanda 5 лет назад
Awesome work! Appreciate your work.
@devrim-oguz
@devrim-oguz 6 лет назад
Excellent job you make here!
@sbfarmer8
@sbfarmer8 5 лет назад
i think this is nutz. you have a skill that is special and I completely support you. -- thank you
@ISOTROPOSPHERE
@ISOTROPOSPHERE 5 лет назад
That is really fantastic and I am fascinated, thank you for making this video.
@alimoradi2323
@alimoradi2323 3 года назад
Fantastic job
@rodneydaub3812
@rodneydaub3812 5 лет назад
the Commodore SID chip needs to live again
@UruguayOC
@UruguayOC 5 лет назад
Outstanding work !!!
@das250250
@das250250 6 лет назад
Excellent work and processes
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