How I Saved My $5000 Epoxy Table From Disaster

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@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

Grab a set of woodworking plans for 20% off using code RU-vid20 : craftedworkshop.com/store

@WoodworkingTop535 2 месяца назад

Thank you for sharing the videos, it's very interesting

@Phobosandpanic 3 месяца назад

Great to see a furniture build video again, feels like old times! I really enjoyed the tiny house, new shop, and van build series, but the furniture builds are always my favourite. Fantastic work as always, lovely table

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

Thanks so much, glad to be back!

@accrevoke 3 месяца назад

The table is absolutely beautiful! Especially the lighter colour next to the epoxy river, the gradient really elevates the overall look!

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

The colors really turned out amazing on the top, really sells the "river" look. Thanks!

@TheOrangeMaster 3 месяца назад

I completely forgot that you actually do wood working projects, I am totally vested in the whole tiny house building and shop remodel and then this new shop move and remodel... but yay, this was a pleasure to watch!

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

Hah, hopefully you liked it because I’m planning to get heavily back into woodworking now that the shop is looking good.

@HauntedSidhe 3 месяца назад

The table came out beautiful! Great job!

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

Thanks a lot!

@mrkev2591 3 месяца назад

Was the $5k mistake buying that robo shop vac? 😂 Would love to see a review on that thing

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

Hah, even though it's dumb as a box of rocks, it does help keep my shop clean. I definitely plan to do a video about it so stay tuned!

@Thejakegee 3 месяца назад

Beautifully simple table. Nice work, dude.

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

Thanks a lot!

@wrenchdoozer 3 месяца назад

I can't believe you destroyed the melamine river (or escarpment) in the thumbnail. Seriously though, nice build.

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

lol, I think it looks just slightly better with the melamine removed. Thanks!

@Gazman299 3 месяца назад

I know it's just a matter of taste and to each their own, but I can't wait for the epoxy table era to come to an end :-) With all of that beautiful wood that you forked out for I just don't understand why the table isn't solid wood. Beautiful solid wood with zero knots. I will say that you do great work, do a very good job on the videos, and are easy to listen to. Thank you for all of the content.

@Ogilla 3 месяца назад

I don't mind epoxy when it's used with parsimony, but I do hate the mediocre table everyone's making now, which is just 2 pieces of slabs bound by a large amount of epoxy in the middle. It's even worst when the epoxy is blue or some other colour that takes all the attention off the wood.

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

I get it and am personally way over the bright colored epoxy. I personally like how black epoxy can help make a live edge piece more usable day to day. Live edges really aren't great for certain dining tables in certain spaces. I also think the black epoxy gives the piece a little more of a modern touch.

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

I do also prefer a smaller epoxy section but this is what my in-laws wanted so that's what I built!

@Ogilla 3 месяца назад

@@craftedworkshop Black epoxy definitively pairs well with almost anything! You did a great job, don't get me wrong, I'm just not found of tables that have as much epoxy as they contain wood.

@Gazman299 3 месяца назад

@@craftedworkshop Agree about the modern touch. Good point.

@northeastoutrider2124 3 месяца назад

I purchased the same robo-vac after a lot of deliberation over the price. I have to say that I have not regrated the cost since its first use. I let it go after the end of each shop day and it does an amazing job. I'm amazed at how fine of particulate it picks up as well as screws and larger wood chip. Love it...

@reptileman262 3 месяца назад

I used paste wax instead of mold release and worked like a charm. Much smaller than a table but still effective.

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

Good idea, I'll have to give that a shot.

@gaffyh1745 3 месяца назад

Crazy idea, but you have a CNC, could you not make a mount for it to hold the orbital sander, then run the same or a more dense pass that you did for the flattening? Could automate and produce a more even finish right?

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

That is definitely interesting, I've never seen anyone program a CNC to run a sander but I feel like that could potentially work?

@kimnewburn1 2 месяца назад

Tape all the side and end frames along with the bottom and you’ll never have an issue again. Tape is your friend

@marymigliore3396 3 месяца назад

Wow, that table is beautiful !! Great Job !!!!!

@funkyjohnhuie 3 месяца назад

Great video! I hadn't realized how much I missed the regular woodworking videos. Awesome to see this content back!

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

Glad you enjoyed it, more to come!

@did4h2k 3 месяца назад

07:15 how come 33 liters (you buy by the liter) be more complicated than 8.7 gallons? asking for a friend ;)

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

This epoxy comes in 1.5 gallons kits. Just easier in my head!

@remcojansen5923 3 месяца назад

so what was de 5000 mistake? did you destroy a 5000 dollar table before so you had to make this one? Looks like it all worked out fine ;) only the form sticked somewhat

@MisterKisster 3 месяца назад

I think he calculated lost time . Most likely click bait though.

@paulschreiber 3 месяца назад

@@MisterKisster Yeah. Dumb clickbait.

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

The table is valued at $5,000. If I hadn't been able to fix my mistake, it would have been worthless. Hence a $5,000 mistake that I was thankfully able to fix.

@SuicideNeil 3 месяца назад

@@craftedworkshop What mistake? The form sticking isn't a mistake, it's pretty normal- every wood worker doing epoxy tables has this issue and it never ruins the table, you just machine away the pieces of stuck form with a cnc, which is exactly what you did. It's click bait- search your feelings, you know it to be true...

@BaneBoy2424 3 месяца назад

@@craftedworkshopbut what was the mistake is what he’s asking? Melamine sticking to the epoxy doesn’t seem to be reasonable enough. That happens to people all the time. Just say it was clickbait without saying it’s clickbait lol

@MCsCreations 3 месяца назад

Stunning table, Johnny! Fantastic work!!! 😃 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

@mcaruso44 3 месяца назад

Really cool looking table. The sapwood on either side of the epoxy gives it a glowing, black hole effect

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

Thanks, I really love the way it turned out too!

@johnmigl3601 3 месяца назад

Ready for the robot video. Have one for the inside was looking for one to use in the shop.

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

Coming soon!

@debybrooke157 3 месяца назад

Wow! that's absolutely gorgeous! great job on this one!!

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

Thanks mama, really happy with the way it turned out!

@markusheitmann 3 месяца назад

@07:41 Total boat, baby!

@mikesvwcorrado 3 месяца назад

Honk honk

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

Gotta love 'em!

@w.cardenas8181 3 месяца назад

The tiny house came up nice , I loved watching it .

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

Thanks a lot!

@firefighter9901 3 месяца назад

Great cat like reflexes with that camera.... Thanks for explaining the best way to mesure epoxy.

@sapelesteve 3 месяца назад

Mistakes and all, that was a terrific build & beautiful table! 👍👍

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

Thanks Steve!

@jimrosson6702 3 месяца назад

Great video the table looks amazing great job.

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

Thanks Jim!

@c.a.g.1977 3 месяца назад

Awesome table, Johnny, your inlaws will be pretty pleased with it!

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

Thanks, I think they'll love it!

@kevinwatson5833 3 месяца назад

Add a thin layer of clear epoxy the the edges and it will stop the bubbles forming on the wood edges

@MisterKisster 3 месяца назад

Another way to calculate the amount of epoxy is to dump sand in the space needing to be filled with play sand. This works well for molds.

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

This definitely works but I absolutely hate sand and feel like I'd never be able to clean up all of the sand from the form.

@TotalBoat 3 месяца назад

The table turned out absolutely beautiful!

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

Thanks, couldn't have done it without your epoxy!

@Stillworks 3 месяца назад

Pretty looking table dude. I’ve stuck melamine many tens of times so you’re not alone. Video edit idea for next time, try it and see if you like it: when you have a long sequence that you speed up more than 10x (like the one when you are doing the final sand on the top), add like 3 frames of trails (a filter) and see if you like the result. It just makes the super sped-up action look more visually interesting. Take or leave it, either way - nice build buddy.

@robrdavis 2 месяца назад

Looks great!

@shanaproctor100 3 месяца назад

Would love a review of the robo vacuum!

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

Definitely, thanks!

@byromscustomwoodworks 3 месяца назад

You should have put tape on the entire mold. It still amazes me how many people don’t do that and spend forever having to remove stuck melamine. Also there are much better brands of epoxy for deep pours

@JMC8415 3 месяца назад

Use some nicer fasteners than zinc plated bolts! Could at least use some stainless button heads with some more appropriately sized washers!

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

Honest question: why bother? Unless you’re lying underneath the table, you’ll never seen the hardware. I’d agree on pieces with exposed hardware but it seems largely unnecessary on hidden hardware.

@JMC8415 3 месяца назад

@@craftedworkshop I think it's a "I want to do better than the last time" sort of thing with me. A constant state of progress. Fasteners are something that is cheap to take to the next level.

@glenlongstreet7 3 месяца назад

Frekote comes in gallon cans. We applied it with a cloth. Wear Gloves.

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

Good to know!

@brianwood5220 3 месяца назад

Beautiful Table. But I have to admit to finding it a little dull for my taste. I had expected it to have a semi gloss finish. Thanks for sharing.

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

I prefer a matte finish but you could certainly go semi gloss easily enough.

@sullivanwagner1996 3 месяца назад

Keep the furniture coming!🙌

@yoregd7109 3 месяца назад

Захочешь переведешь . Может этот ролик ты выложил ради контента. Была идея, появилась проблема, решил проблему. Но иакмного людей англоязычных делилаи похожие столы. Мне как не понимающему все ньюнсы анлийского языка, сложнее повторить твой опыт. У Вас же есть Blacktail Studio, он же на понятном языке показывает как работать с такими, непростыми материалами. Результат Твоего творчества тоже прекрасен, твоя мастерская богата разными машинами, твоё творчество должно быть не меньшего уровня ) Главное практикуйся. Всего хорошего, молодец!.

@vaughnmaurt5013 3 месяца назад

Great table ! And thank you for just saying you’re raising the grain and not like so common these days on YT …”water popping”

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

Hah, not sure where that terminology came from but I’ve always know it as raising the grain. Thanks!

@texacajundiy 3 месяца назад

your epoxy stuck because it got too hot for CRC. basically melted it into the epoxy. If you are going to use CRC let first layer cure for like 12 hours then pour 2nd. I prefer the Alumalite mold release. Friend uses Smooth-on, he likes it. Also, paint the slab edges with a layer of epoxy(like regular 5:1) to about 3-4" into the slab on top and bottom, will mostly kill the bubbles.

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

Good tips, thanks!

@ZackPyle 3 месяца назад

Some of Cam's N3 nano finish would be really good here

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

I’m planning to add it but have to let the Rubio fully cure first, which takes about a week. I’ll post about it when I do!

@danielduda6487 3 месяца назад

Instead of the 320 paper, use a red M3 pad then wipe and recoat with Rubio.

@aaronblackford981 3 месяца назад

I kinda knew that the older epoxy wouldn’t react the way expected, overheating for how we use the Mel panels for forms. Plastic is plastic at some point. Some much lower point even though harder without heat. It’s sometimes just like wood. Some woods play well with water to a point. Some never do. Some just deal with it if you do. Plastics do the same depending on layers of diff plastics as you can put different layers into a same bottle or dish but they interact with each other differently at diff temps or moistures.

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

I think the biggest factor was the thickness of the pour, which was pushing the 2 inch max TotalBoat recommends. Hopefully I can avoid this kind of thing in the future!

@aaronblackford981 3 месяца назад

@@craftedworkshop okay. Opinions can disagree. Who knows tbh. But ty for yours

@Kanthalas 3 месяца назад

Yup, 100% the melamine stuck due to the heat from the epoxy. You'll need to pour it in smaller increments (pour the next layer when it gets gummy or wait till hard, sand and do the next layer) or keep the epoxy colder (more fans, water cooled table, AC, etc).

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

Yup, planning to get much bigger fans and crank the AC on the next pour. Thanks for the tips!

@Manson04 3 месяца назад

Does a dried slab absorb moisture from the air?

@bohmsaw 3 месяца назад

Do you think you left it to cure long enough? From watching epoxy videos from blacktail studio he leaves it cure for weeks on end before unmolding and handling

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

It was about seven days, which I think is plenty, especially considering it went exothermic. It was rock hard and machined cleanly.

@roym.1141 3 месяца назад

Most mold release sprays are absolute garbage and are intended to use on actual silicone molds. The best thing I've found is a combination of pertoleum jelly and carnuba wax buffed onto the melamine.

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

Good tips! A few people have recommended paste wax but I think some more thorough testing might be in order here.

@0bikkuri0 3 месяца назад

What is a freedom unit?

@rejkonrad634 3 месяца назад

Whats the point of fixing the larger holes on one leg but not the other? shouldnt you have gone back and fixed it on the first one since it otherwise defeats the point?

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

I will, just needed to get the finished shots so I could get the video out.

@david_diff 3 месяца назад

Is this a sign to buy a festool 😂

@aaronblackford981 3 месяца назад

Maybe that’s his 5k mistake. Those damn things are stupid good but stupid expensive

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

Buying more Festool is always the answer 😂

@StephenTimperley 2 месяца назад

About crapped myself at 25:15

@glenlongstreet7 3 месяца назад

Free Kote Mold Release. Very spendy, but it is the best. Made by Loctite. I don't use this anymore because I am old.

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

I'll check it out! Do you spray it on? I'm seeing a few different versions.

@ralphbenson9682 3 месяца назад

You mention your favorite pencil and white lead but they aren't in your Amazon store. What is the brand?

@tomahoks 3 месяца назад

Pica

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

Sorry about that, it's a Pica Dry pencil : amzn.to/4bTwTqO

@timzeller1541 3 месяца назад

Excellent job considering the melamine gave you a hard time. Your presentations always show how I can improve ways in my ability.

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

Thanks, I was glad the fix ended up being simple enough.

@OliverU 3 месяца назад

wait... what? u converted cu inches to liter to gallons? wtf?? o.O

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

I figured a lot of folks would want to see the liters measurement, I could have gone directly to gallons obviously.

@OliverU 3 месяца назад

@@craftedworkshop ahh okay, fanservice! thats nice :) thank you! but i think cu inches - gallons - liter is less confusing :D

@SteveKuznetsov 3 месяца назад

Each leg only puts one set of bolts into the walnut - so any wood movement would just go out from the center, no? The epoxy is stable. Not sure you needed to make those holes larger.

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

Yea, I wasn't 100% sure and figured I'd err on the side of caution.

@spicematthews8034 3 месяца назад

So from metric to imperial to "freedom" units...what the hell is that? Can you explain what they are and why they're called that please?

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

Freedom units was a joke since we use imperial measurements here in the US.

@royunderwood7514 3 месяца назад

Great work!

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

Thank you!

@Twinkie1960 3 месяца назад

nice job dude 👍🏼

@jerrywoodlee2345 3 месяца назад

I think the table turned out great.

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

Thank you!

@Omega86641 3 месяца назад

Why didn't you tape the bottom?

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

You technically shouldn't need to with a melamine form, since it's inherently nonstick. It was the excess heat that caused issues here.

@jonsanchez55 3 месяца назад

Why not use the track saw to cut the chamfered edge?

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

It won’t do a 60 degree chamfer. I could have done that and done a 45 degree chamfer, which I’ve done in the past.

@jonsanchez55 3 месяца назад

@@craftedworkshop 30° from the other side?

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

@@jonsanchez55 I would have had to run the track saw on the edge of the table to achieve that, would be super sketchy.

@jonsanchez55 3 месяца назад

@@craftedworkshop I never said it'd be safe! 😂

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

@@jonsanchez55 could also cut it by running it on edge through the table saw if you want to make things really spicy! 🌶️😂

@flamabl1 3 месяца назад

A lot easier to chamfer that edge with your track saw. And no it isn't hard to get an even reveal.

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

The track saw only works up to 45 degrees. I've done that before but that 60 degree chamfer really adds to the effect of lightening the visual weight.

@flamabl1 3 месяца назад

@@craftedworkshop Ahh I see. Still might want to do it as a relief cut. That bit looks crazy.

@mariushegli 3 месяца назад

I have nothing to say really, but I appreciate your content, and wish to help with the yt-algorithms.

@Infoulnessyeshallknowthem 3 месяца назад

Use car wax as a mold release

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

Good tip!

@popshuvfrontnosegrindrever4308 3 месяца назад

So this is basically a video from the bald guy

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

I'll take that as a compliment considering Cam is one of the most successful creators in the woodworking space.

@Intrepid_Explorer 3 месяца назад

Johnny Sins.

@tjerkheringa937 3 месяца назад

You could have thought this one through a bit better. It would have saved you a ton of money

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

How so? I didn't really lose any money since I was able to fix my mistake.

@tjerkheringa937 3 месяца назад

@@craftedworkshop You used twice the required amount of epoxy

@JeanRoi 3 месяца назад

Hmm that was some work.

@beanieweenie9543 3 месяца назад

The title is a bit dramatic.

@parkman29 3 месяца назад

Whitetail Studios

@juiceplanet147 3 месяца назад

Good episode...live emotional reactions are missing from all these types of videos. I know voiceovers are the protocol, but someone has to be the wolf.

@jirizarr_21 3 месяца назад

That fix was fairly simple. The title made it sound like a much bigger disaster. I have noticed a few makers doing this lately. No a fan of the clickbait titles.

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

Felt like a disaster when I was building it! This had never happened on my epoxy projects.

@ChrisPage68 3 месяца назад

Is that Freedom Gallons or Actual Gallons? 😜

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

lol!

@glenlongstreet7 3 месяца назад

If you don't have the tool do the job, buy it or don't do the job. Don't be cheap, it will cost you in the long run.

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

I don’t think this really applies for something like a wide belt sander. I’d be looking at $20k to purchase one and it would be an extremely involved process to set it up in my shop. It’d also be hard to run pieces this large through the machine by myself.

@joshstroud6823 3 месяца назад

Wow, I really thought there was going to be some huge drama given the title. Instead it’s just a normal epoxy build with regular epoxy build problems. Btw at the time of the comment the title is “ I almost ruined a 5000 table” as I assume it will probably later be changed. It’s not even really click bait it’s just a half ass lie.

@matthewwright57 3 месяца назад

This is what you get for making river tables. Karma.

@glenlongstreet7 3 месяца назад

There must be something better than melamine. PVC maybe?

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

Some people use HDPE but it's insanely expensive if you aren't building the same size table over and over again.

@nimblybimbly4002 3 месяца назад

Jumped on board the Blacktail clickbait train. Bummer.

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

Is it clickbait if it's true? Thankfully, it ended up being a pretty easy save but that didn't make it any less stressful in the moment.

@SuicideNeil 3 месяца назад

@@craftedworkshop It was never true and you know it- stop pretending you didn't just need to machine away the melamine with the cnc like every other woodworker in the situatiuon has done. The more you double-down on this non-issue the more dishonest and disingenous you look. If the epoxy cracked or the white coating melted so badly it leeched deeply into the epoxy, sure, but otherwise... nope.

@ResinEssenceByCheri 3 месяца назад

Walk, talk, caulk. Get it?

@emirrp 3 месяца назад

I don't really like epoxy tables to be honest. Plastic tables like that also feels wrong in so many ways.

@BWIL2515 3 месяца назад

Well you're a liar no mention of how it cost you i stayed for the whole video though i guess you accomplished your objective and that's the last video i will watch from you the craftsmanship was great that is enough

@craftedworkshop 3 месяца назад

The table is valued at $5,000. If I hadn't been able to fix my mistake, it would have been worthless. Hence a $5,000 mistake that I was thankfully able to fix.