How I Would Fix ATK and DEF Points in Yu-Gi-Oh 

Honestly I think it would’ve been interesting for normal monsters to stay as huge beatsticks and effects monsters be limited to 2500 attack or something

I would love to see Konami’s next “archetype” be all normal monsters with incredible spell card support that only affect normal monsters; or if there’s a lore change that makes normal monsters all immune to other monster effects. Oh, how the game would change!

I completely agree, there are way to many strong generic extra deck monster with little to no downside. Herald of the Arc Light is a great example, it having such low stats makes it easy to swing over it without using anything that could be negated. Every strong monster should have some kind of downside/weakness, this could be something like locking you into certain cards, low stats, hard summoning condition or detrimental effects.

The issue with extra deck generics is how over the top useful they are. Generic ED monsters should be options to fix certain issues in an archetype to reward creative deck building and target metas. A good example is the new Underworld Goddess link that is a generic Kaiju with some gy hate but costs a lot of materials. Bad ones are Accesscode talker who is just a win condition with removal and utility to chain block.

Coming off the Marvel SNAP meta, it's funny how we're having the exact same discussion over there. The vanilla cards act as the baselines for power at each cost, and the effect cards have more or less power depending on how good or bad the effect is. However, if a card's effect makes it way worth the stat difference, it reduces deck variety at the competitive level by necessity. You either need to use it or use what counters it, since everyone else will be using it.

I like the effect of abyss dweller cuz you can use it with generic materials, however, it gains more att power when you use water materials. Konami should have done something like that with others xzy and link monsters. That, at least, could help other arquetipes like fire, wind or earth monster, for example

this is a very good idea and actually very possible to be implemented. The issue left is just how to make the new cards with this idea is preferable then already existing generic boss with beefy stat and great eff

Paul, thanks for the grind. I appreciate the content and your thoughts on the state of the game and game mechanics in general.

You'd also have to make every in-archetype monster require in-archetype cards to summon. Barrone De Fleur, Crystron Halqifibrax, Accesscode Talker, Barreload Savage Dragon, Knightmare Phoenix, Linkuribo, Predaplant Verte Anaconda, Starving Venom Fusion Dragon etc etc are all in-archetype monsters. Sure, Accesscode Talker gets to attack twice and pop a lot in Code Talkers, but he's also the only win condition a deck like Sky Striker's has.

These seem like they might be some controversial takes but they also seem like completely valid and simple ways of fixing the game. I'm starting to realize that you share a lot of opinions I have about Yugioh but you come up with these easy solutions that I somehow never thought of. Sadly at this point in the game I highly doubt that these approaches will actually be given any thought, but it is fun to listen to.

This is a great idea! Unfortunately, it's either too late to slow the game down, or Konami and competitive players just don't want to, since speed and power sell well and are appealing to some players.

Never understood why there was never an archetype that was predicated on draws, searches, protection, omni-negates, etc...but only with sufficiently high stats, or in the presence of sufficiently high stats. Worked at least for a while with Tribute Summons and Monarchs; doesn't seem like it couldn't be done with stats.

For straight up attacking a battle mechanics, I've noticed that most games are about surviving 1 to 2 boards. After that it becomes a slugfest to survive and taking hits as they go. Both players have exhausted resources or loaded up recurring effects by then. It's a weird build down from max power to whats left of your resources.

*Laughs in power of the guardians + united we stand on marshmallon*

Hey, how much effort do you think it'd take to make your own card game? Not a physical one but a digital one. If you had access to the artist and computer people, do you think you could do it. And would you?

This is just the result of too many years of power creep. You used to have a separation between offense and defense, but at some point those two started to fuse together. Now you have highly offensive monsters, with some of the best defensive effects. It reduces the overall strategy aspect of the game, both in a match and in the deckbuilding beforehand. You never have to think about wanting offense or defense, since you can just have both of them. Unfortunately this is pretty much impossible to fix at this point. The power creep is so ingrained into the design, you can't really take it out anymore. At least not without banning a few dozen cards, which I don't see happening as it would cripple every deck released in the last 5 years or so.

I think that's actually a really good way to balance it. Would also make stuff like mirror force effects useful again, since if swinging over your omni-negate IS the best way to remove it, battle traps could be useful as protection again. Idk, sounds intriguing

Nothing is quite more satisfying than taking out Aquilphort Towers by just swinging into it with Shooting Star Dragon lol

food for thought 1- how many types of yugioh decks are there? 2-how many types of decks does an healthy format have? 3-are all decks toolbox decks? 4- would the game be any different if the extra deck didnt exist and the there was only 1 deck?

I say go with the original design where it acted more like power/toughness from mtg: if your attack is larger than their defense, they get destroyed, and same goes for their attack and your defense.

Sadly, they cannot errata atk and def to a lot of cards now randomly. And if the upcoming generic boss monsters have fewer atk and def, the players will go back to the ones that are generic, powerful and with higher atk and def. That is the problem, not with what will come out but with what is already out.

Cards like Baronne de fluer leave absolutely no room for a comeback. Since it omni negates while destroying, you don't get that card back. Then it can destroy a card on their own turn, so even if you set a monster to maybe even buy you a turn, it can just get rid of it. Then with its massive 3000 attack, it will swing for game with ease. Oh, and it can negate any battle phase related thing as well, since it's omni-negate has no condition attached to it. Let's compare this to Knightmares, another set of generic cards people talk about. I think they are ok. Well...at least not the banned ones. They require a discard, so not all decks benefit from that. It draws a card while co-linked, which rectifies that issue, but co-linking it generically isn't always going to happen and it's arrows aren't the best in the world. It also only has 2300 attack. You can not only get over that, but you also have a better chance of surviving that turn to try and comeback. Even if I still don't win, I'd like to at least try! More generic cards should come with a cost or at least a cost reflecting its effects. Using Barrone as an example, it would come with an effect that states that it *has* to tribute itself during the End Phase while summoning a level 9 or higher monster from the gy. Or for Borreload Savage Dragon, it loses 500 attack each turn. Something like that to balance their power for being able to be made so easily.

Been on fire with the uploads and as always I love the fact you can raise solutions for your critiques of the modern game rather than just whinging. Can tell you actually love the game!!

I always thought it would be interesting if when monsters battle that def mattered even while in attack mode. For example, during battle monsters have their attack reduced by the def of the monster they are battling. Making def matter WAY more. Now that being said it makes battle even MORE complicated sooooo

The funny part that people forget is that Baron De Fleur is part of an archetype. It's just not good. But ATK and DEF values for boss monsters are pretty standardized at this point and more than likely won't change unless a reboot or rotation happens. 3000 is standard for a boss monster and that's not the hardest thing in the world to run over.

I think the game could benefit from more counter-oriented effects. I had an idea for a kind of extra deck monster that is summoned like a synchro-ritual hybrid by tributing monsters whose levels equal or exceed the new monster's level. The new extra deck monster is summoned with counters equal to its original level, and uses those counters for effects. So a monster can be easy to make, but it only gets its effects a few times and it would also usually come with a stat reduction, like -200 ATK/DEF for each counter removed by activating effects, so the longer the monster is on the field, the easier it becomes to beat it eventually. Some may also self-destruct when they have no more counters.

As someone who started playing Master Duel recently, it really does feel like, whatever it is you're playing against, will always end up with one of the same three or four boss monsters, who then make you auto-lose, unless you have the hand traps to stop them.

I think predaplant dragostepalia is a perfect boss monster, it's stats aren't crazy and it effect isn't game braking on top of being slightly harder to summon requiring a fusion monster to make

That's why Pankratops needs to come back to 3 because it's literally the exact solution to the problem. It instantly outs a 3 mat Apoloussa for example.

Herald of Arch Light is puny in terms of atk and def, but it's powerful and isn't that hard to bring out. Where as Ultimate Conductor Tyranno is really only summonable inside on dinosaurs

I completely agree, but at this point in order to do this they would have to ban so many cards, or errata them with lower attack points. Not sure if it's feasible.

I think it's good idea to reduce attack of generic ED monsters. So if opponent chose to summon omninegate, you could just summon something and destroy it in battle, and make plays in MP2 It would make games longer that 2-3 turns And good example of archetype boss monster that can't be summoned in any deck, but has high attack and strong effect is new fusion Grapha You have to play that deck and can't just put it in ED of any deck

Imagine a world where Baronne has 2000 atk, and Savage Dragon has to start from 1500 since it gains more atk anyways.

I wonder if they added a rule that stopped destruction effects and the like while in defence mode would do anything? It's just a random idea that popped into my head so it's not thought out at all, but could maybe be interesting for one of those side formats

What doesn't get touched on a lot is how few monsters actually have high defense points. Across the board, defense values cap out lower than attack values. It didn't used to be that way. The 2k defenders in LoB, or Destiny Hero Defender. There's an intentional design choice from Konami for a while now that you should be able to walk over defense position monsters for free, because atk is just generally higher than defense. I think it'd have helped a lot if at some point some designer had said "wait why dont we make it a 1500/3000 monster with an omninegate instead of a 3000/1500." Then at least the board full of negates would have a hard time killing you.

I always thought it was silly how Borreload Savage Dragon gains attack based on the link monster it equipped. It's also sort of insane how Barrone can pop a card once per turn. But I also dont even agree with how strong certain archetype specific cards are. Tearlaments Rulkallos is a special summon negate that can bring itself back, AND it has the potential to be 3500 ATK - WHY???

I couldn't agree more Paul. I would like higher stated monsters to have weaker to no effects. One thing that you didn't mention that I think may be nice is creating powerful spells that give weaker normal monsters a temporarily incredible effect such as for 1 turn making a 1500 or less atk normal monster be able to banish a target it attacks into and is immune to card effects for the turn.

the printing of monsters with the best negation, destruction or protection skills with 2800 ATK or more has been a mistake that should have been fixed almost a decade ago.

I cant count how many times im wrecking my brain on how to out a fckin geberic boss omni negate and forget that attacking over them is even an option.

Can we please talk about how amazing the Theme Chronicle event in Master Duel was? I haven’t seen anyone mention it, but it was so good. It removed all these broken unbalanced cards that ruin Yugioh, and made the game extremely balanced and fun while still keeping it up to date and fresh. It’s how I, and I imagine most people, wish yugioh would be. Faster than OG Yugioh but still interactive and strategic. I wish they would turn that into a permanent format

I'm 1 minute in the video while making this comment. Vanillas should carry the highest stats at each level. Tacking an effect onto a monster should either increase it's level or decrease it's power based on how strong the effect is perceived to be. This is the formula Bushiroad uses and the formula Bandai starts their games off with before abandoning it or restructuring it due to power creep.

It is pretty damn telling that Link Monsters doesn't even have DEF points and are still really powerful.

the only way to do this would for Konami to force a set rotation so they could ban 90% of the legacy cards and start from close to scratch. At this point the game is way too far gone to make attack/def matter for anything

Awesome video Paul! I was actually thinking about a lot of these points too when watching the last video on atk vs def position monsters. Another idea I started thinking about lately was if generic monsters maybe had a limitation on how good the effect is based on if they used any in archetype monsters to make it. Fleur for example gets a pop, negate (quick effect), and a shuffle back. Maybe generically it only gets some of the effects if summoned but if a fleur tuner is used it gets all three. So maybe it doesn't get the shuffle back so it cant be recycled without using fleur tuners or the negate is not a quick effect without the use of a fleur tuner. This way there is a bonus for the archetype that actually uses there own monster. I think the super quantum deck is an interesting design style to follow for this way of thinking.

Paul this was an excellent video thanks for uploading it

I can agree with what your saying. But I just don't see that happening.

I want to watch u and your friends to react to games of historic the most powerful format on arena , and what your asking for is in general already a thing in magic although it's not exact because not only would that be boring but abilities cause a different set of factors. for example for 2 mana i can expect a 2/2 however if it has double strike I usually expect a 1/1 . we have variance like I said like once in while u get a one mana 2/1 or a one mana 3/3 if u have to go through some steps to do so also not claiming magic doesn't have any cards that obvious u must use this but we do have an approximate estimation of what go expect based on mana cost

I personally run a lore accurate c1000 deck with the goal to get it to the rank 13 boss monster with 100k attack and defense it takes alot to get it out and it has no protection lol

as someone that otks with god cards and sacred beasts alot, some things are more agreeable than others.

ATK values typically cap out at 3000 for boss monsters. BSD and Dragoon are outliers. Tearlaments gets an edge from Perlereino but it’s not entirely insurmountable. The Ishizu cards are what put them over the edge.

In the agent deck Masterflare is a combo piece not just an end board monster. You almost always want to make him to facilitate spamming shine balls. I always make him over Baronne. Unless I have the right setup to make baronne also.

Forbidden Droplet solves some of the problems with attack stats and negating effects. However, I do agree that it is annoying to put resources to negate a card and then have to deal with a big chonker.

I dont agree but i love the discussion it is interesting

What about destroying/banishing them with card effects?

Haven’t played since 2012 but I like ur informative videos. Keep it up yo

Monster attack should be meaningful lore wise and game wise and tied to their rank level etc

one of the things i find hilarious is that in swoswo, chixao has 2.8k att and 1k def, so you basically can't summon him in defense or he will get swung over by anything, leaving him open to being hit by LS but shit like BL Savage has 3k 2.5k with the same mats and is an omni. I think on the whole, boss monsters need to be made archetype specific, no more generic link 2 extenders like Elf and Halq, or generic lv 8/10 synchros omni's like baronne and Savage dragon. I think the generic beaters like Accesscode and Borrelsword are probably ok for the most part, they're primarily to close out games, though accesscode being able to board clear nearly for free is kind of trash, but he's still very vulnerable to veiler and imperm so it's not the worst thing ever.

Jirai gumo is probably one of the single most well balanced cards ever put into a card game. Massive attack, potentially huge draw back while also drastically changing game states without being too op He's stoppable, but also a huge threat I think if an effect monster has a super high attack stat with a strong effect, there should be a genuine downside to using it or at least make it nowhere near as easy to summon Like, c'mon. The fleur archetype has another synchro that sees nowhere near as much play because it requires the tuner even though it also has a great effect. So should baronne If you actually manage to summon baronne in a dedicated fleur deck you deserve the huge payoff. But since it's so generic, if baronne shuffled itself back into the extra deck automatically after using the negate while only being able to summon fleur monsters from graveyard, I think that would be way better balanced. If you bait out the baronne negate the body is gone. And now baronne has a genuine downside to using it while still being great in archetype Same thing with borreload. If it has such a strong effect, either give it a downside or actually make it require rokket tracer + another dark dragon monster. Or at the very least make it so you have to pop a monster on your field to negate. Just like the rokket archetype specifically enjoys doing and not much else would appreciate There should absolute be some kind of cost with these generic boss monsters

The problem is that unless they HEAVILY errata old cards, if they start changing the new cards they come out with, the playerbase will just stop buying the new stuff and only play old decks. And that is the opposite of what they want. Konami wants to make money, so they make cards that make people want to buy the packs. Power creep is bad for game health but great for sales.

Yeah I think that vanillas should be big and effect monsters should be smaller. Bewd is a GREAT card yet I find sometimes having trouble getting over cards like borreload savage, baronne, and other omni negates that are huge

Does anyone else think Paul should do voice acting or a spoken book thing 🤣😂

i agree, it should be rewarded to play archetype-specific boss monsters

Well, people still complained about Sprights even though they had a bunch of monsters with lower stats compared to other decks, so atk/def definitely isn't everything

This would hurt lower tier decks because all these “bad” archetypes need a good payoff (which they don’t have. Or it’s just a towers) to even slightly compete.

The only real way to do that is to give affect monsters week attack and defense and your normal monsters are the ones that have high attack and defense.

Excellent points!

I think fusions should have remained named cards to fusion. Also all synchro should name (insert archtype tuner) + (archtype monster). Same with XYZ (2 level 4 (insert archtype monsters) and links should state 1+ (insert archtype monster) i think Generic cards should be completely removed excluding staples. Cards that can be swapped into anything shouldn't be a thing.

I think in general, we’re going to see a new sort of level of power creep, within 2-3 years. What that looks like hopefully is less negation and more disruption but at this point who cares. Also red extra deck cards.

Dang it, you make far too much sense, Paul! Konami would gain a lot by hiring you.

Good attack, detrimental effect. Good effect, detrimental attack.

Yeah when the link era started I wasn't playing but I was watching from a distance and even I could tell that it had at least done something to curtail that attack point issue. Konami then of course went and ruined that.

The problem is that what you are suggesting would require the banning of ~ 20 or maybe even more extra deck monsters. Also the tendency of the game is that it's going faster so I doubt Konamy would suddenly slow it down by doing something like this.

Heavy Sam's fixed everything.

I honestly agree with U

Hot take. Remove Life points completely and have heart points instead. You need to be direct attacked 10 times to lose.

is there an archetype that forces your opponent to attack? like it would be cool to have some monsters that cant be destroyed by card effect and must be destroyed or remove by battle

My opinion is even IF Konami went back to this kind of "change", these new generic stuff would have to compete with other generic cards that have better stats like Baronne.

The idea on it's own still wouldn't do anything given how easy it is to swarm out monsters. It might work in a rebooted setting along with a bunch of other ideas though. It's not a bad idea.

Aps lets gooooooooo

May I ask one question, how would you implement this? Cause, I don’t see anyway to do this without removing the current ones or power creeping the heck out of them. Unless you’re say errata all of them with new stats.

Apollousa has a good design principle with decreasing ATK as a cost. That should be a DEF mechanism; low DEF can make things easier to destroy. Like in MTG how toughness determines if creatures die. Slifer has this built in on Summon but uses ATK. Example: card effects that destroy monsters instead decreases its DEF by 2000 and if it reaches 0, destroy it. Card effects that banish monster instead decrease its DEF by 3000 and if it reaches 0, banish it. Sucks to be Link monsters Now passively minor changes in DEF can be difference between being able to one shot a monster, or whether you want to brave an attack instead, which will use it's ATK stats. The only issue are set monsters. Would have targeted set monsters always flip.

generic cards or even most cards in general need more conditions to gain powerful effects because seriously 2 monsters bam negate whatever you want, sure once but sometimes its accompanied by other omni negates or something that maintains advantage, cards today just seem like they are inherently made to power creep and then get swept later by another, everyone remember Zeus or Dragoon the cards that NEED to be banned and even Borreload savage replaced by Barron defleur because she dont need no man like borreload does since he needs a link monster in gy to activate, this game heard slow down as an insult and wanted to go the full 9 yards instead of bring the game to a brisk pace to play and im not talking control decks play i mean you summon big monster ill find a way to bring it down via the core or what was supposed to be core gameplay and attacking over your stats with mine like a Blue eyes to a Dark magician instead of effects that hold you down unless you find a way to sweep lol but i do appreciate playing through boards as well.

Also time to add normal monsters above level8

I believe that archetype should be primarily locked within itself. There is no excuse for cards like DPE to be playable in every deck... at least make archetype extra deck monsters harder to get out unless your playing that archetype. I'm not trying to kill deck creativity I just don't want to see archetype extra deck monsters be universal when they can easily make universal extra deck monsters. Because it only hurts the players trying to play in their archetype in the end. I'm sure destiny players hated to see their hero cards get banned just because the rest of the world wanted to play DPE...

i don't think it would do much of anything because of one single reason. The battle phase is largely meaningless. Whether a monster has 0 atk or 5k atk it very rarely ever matters anymore. It's not hard to get monsters to 3k atk and it has never been. The problem is how easy it is to either negate everything the opponent does and how easy it is to just wipe entire fields if there is no negates or enough of them present. When i can just negate everything you do or get rid of your entire field do i really care about the stats of monsters on the field? hardly. If something needs to be done is just give generic bosses actual costs to their negation and destruction effects. Immunities also need to be more selective instead of "this card is unaffected by virtually everything!". Give cards real costs and weaknesses and things would actually be balanced. Baronne would be fine if it had either just the negate or the pop or a bit more difficult summoning condition (like requiring more than 1 tuner or non tuner or locking it to the fleur synchron tuner) having all 3 though? no, even then it's just a nuisance i find in most cases when compared to other generic boss monsters.

I think it would be nice but we might be a bit far gone what should happen not to mention Konami dont realy care the company the individuals in the company arnt the problem. One solution i think but if this is what you are saying yah then i miss under stood, but my thought is it should be atk def based on how hard it is to bring out and efect strength and no effect is less the problem.

Basically you're asking for the game to be balanced It's too far gone and outside of breaking up into different formats allowing separate card pools reflect eras or flavors of the theme of the format, you'd be very hard pressed to come up with a few good solutions to balance the entire game, especially solutions that don't cause even more problems else where, unanticipated

coz why use blue eyes white dragon when every effect clone has the same stat line amirite 🙃

Konami’s formats (16) 1. Cross duels 2. Speed duels 3. RUSH duels 4. Duel Links 5. Advanced Format (Current format) 6. 1v1 7. 2V1 8. 2v2 9. 3v1 10. 3v2 11. 3v3 1. “TIME WIZARD FORMAT” Retro Formats ( I’m not explaining it bc I don’t really like it bc one part of it) It’s that you can only use cards from the Sets that are from the year of and before that banlist and Rules 2. (Heart of the Underdogs). Restricting what Decks or Cards can be used/played because other Cards can be Controversial in how FAIR It they are 3. (Common Charity Format ) Duelist Can only use Cards/Build decks of Common Rarity 4. (Rivalry of Warlords) (Nobody knows Yet) They’re excited to announced a new program that’s a fun and easy way to introduce duelist to themes they may not have tried/played before (I Added more details to how it could work without being broken and conflicting with game play/mechanics/rulings) 5. (Deck Master formats) - The Deck master begins each game outside the Deck(s). (Either Face-up or Face-Down below the Extra Deck or Main Deck) - Either you can special summon the Deck master when ever you want ignoring its summoning conditions OR how Konami proposed When ever you are able to Normal summon you can normal summon the Deck master ignoring its summoning conditions. (Total 30) Too me are pretty wack but still thought id mention em) Trinity Format Goat Format Edison Format Set/Card/Deck Drafts 0. YGOCardscatalogger Format from the video/spam comment 1. Rarity formats 2. Special summon limit formats 3. Formats With different boards and rules 4. Bonus rules and mechanics to types of cards 5. Character deck list Formats 6. Pure Archetype Formats 7. Each Duelist must Have 60 Card Decks 8. No forbidden and limited list Format 9. Can only play 1 Copy of Each card you put in the Deck 10. Merging Rush Duel and normal YGO cards in Deck 11. “Heart of the Cards” Draw phase Format (You can search and add a single Card during your draw phase instead of Drawing) 12. Normal monsters can be normal Summoned unlimitedly. (Must have the appropriate tribute fodder) 13. (From the OG SHOW) Labyrinth/ Maze duel (would need a new type of Game Mat) (And updated rules) (You keep track with paper). (idk if i gotta spell out everything you do but meh idk i type what i type ig) 19. DIMENSION DUELS. (from the Dark Dimensions Movie) - You must pay Life points Up to the Original ATK Value when Summoning any monsters and those monsters ATK Values are equal to the Number Of Life points you paid for the summon of it. (Cannot Exceed the Original ATK Value) - When a Monster you control is Destroyed by BATTLE you then Take damage equal to that monsters ATK Value on field given by its Dimension Summon. - (Here’s a little rule I thought up that would be cool. When you attack and destroy a monster you gain life’s points equal to the difference of the monster ATK OR DEF value.) 20. Shadow duels (Each player bets a Card and whoever the wins the game/Match gets the Cards that both players Bet) Like how else are you supposed to have a Shadow Duel ?😂 21. Tag duels (Like tag matches in WWE or Mortal Kombat Games) (This can only be Done Once Per Turn on Either of the Turn of each teams Turn) You either Tag out the player Completely like What happens in the games i Suggested and can only Tag Out during the Standby phase. Or You and your partner can Tag out before the Draw phase, End Phase, standby phase, or start of Battle Phase Then either 1. swapping all Cards from the field zones, Decks, and hands, Gy, Banished. (Or 2. by only swapping all Cards in only 1 of these (7)places thats either your Hand, main Deck, Extra Deck, S/T zones, GY, Banished, Monsters Zones) Or 3. You can just Tag out Cards from your field for Cards your Partner Had on their field 22. My Prediction for what could be of the (Rivalry of Warlords format) A format that works like the EFFECT of RIVALRY. A Monster type format. you can only have 1 type of each Monster type in your Main or Extra deck ( or the Field) ( or you can only use one type of monster through out your extra and main deck.) dragon, warrior or wyrm ect ect 23. (Gozen Match format) Attribute Centric format. (Player must build their Decks around 1 Attribute) ( or can only control 1 Attribute at a Time like Gozen Match) 24. My version of. (Heart of the Underdog) half of the monsters you use must be Normal monsters. (This is my idea for what it could’ve been) 25. Extra deck Card Type Centric (You can only use 1 of these to build your Extra Deck (Synchro, Fusion, XYZ, Links) 26. Play with the Main and Extra Decks Face-up (revealed) ( Pendulums go in a pile of their own thats still the Face-up Extra Deck but to make it easy to follow and know what pendulum cards have been sent to the Extra deck zone by the usual means and the zone should be above or below separate from the regular face-down Extra deck that has been flipped Face-up ( revealed) 27. Dice Duels Format. (You can choose to roll Dice at the start of the Draw/Standby Phase to determine the Number of Cards you either. - Draw (Top of Main Deck) - Mill (Top of bottom and either main or Extra deck your Choice) - Excavate and add 1 then put back in any order - by picking 1 of either Tributing, Destroying, banishing, send to gy, Flip Face-up/down, Return(to hand or to Deck) cards on the field(either field) then you must do the chosen action up to the # you rolled.(you pick which one you want before you roll the dice) 28. Coin Toss Format (It could either be once per turn or it could stack for every turn that passes for the turn player during a duel For EX when its Turn 4 you get 4 Coin Flips.) ( i thought up so many ways that I didn’t want to mention them all but Coin flipping could be so fucking fun depending and what you gain or lose from calling the Coin flip right or wrong) (There could be a reference sheet that tells You all the possible advantages/ penalties you gain from calling it right or wrong) (At the start of each turn or in the standby phase you can Call heads or tails then You flip a coin and if you call right then you either - Draw 1 Card - Gain 1000 LP - Inflict 1000 Damage - Banish or Mil 1 Card from top or Bottom yours or your Opponents Main Deck/ or Extra Deck. - Add 1 Card from your deck to your Hand - Look at the 1st Cards on the Bottom and Top of your Deck then Add the Card you choose. (if you added from the bottom of the Deck then the card you looked/ or revealed from the top is placed on the bottom of the Deck. And Vice versa when you added the card from the top then the Card from the bottom will be placed on the top. - Your Opponent Reveals their hand and then you choose 1 Card to either 1. Return it to their Deck 2. Banish it 3. Add it to your Hand 4. Send to the GY 5. Tribute it - Choose 1 Card on Either Field to then apply 1 of these. 1. Tribute it 2. Destroy it 3. Banish it 4. flip it face-down/up(and can either negate it effects or allow them to activate) 5. Return(to hand or to deck) or 6. Non-targeting send 1 card from either field to the GY

How about lower ATK Kaijus?

I disagree a little? A lot of archetypes have pretty incomplete engines and need to go through things at least partially generically, and it's not uncommon for it to be possible to go into a monster generically that has some specific tag, and it's just a small cost in the process. I like to see decks that aren't just "All the new names in [archetype]" stapled together. And because of those generic monsters, it means that decks that don't have their own fully developed high end can still compete more w/ the specialized things. Plus, the game is fast enough that archetype specific things need to be small packages a lot of the time - e.g. DPE so...

I'd love to hear your opinion on netdecking and how it killed the diversity and creativity in deck building

Seems like the problem isn't with atk and def it's generic easy to make negate monsters.

I get what Paul is saying but monster stats may be the most balanced aspect of Yugioh across its entire lifespan. To me this topic feels more like a nitpick

@konami learn from this man and fix your game

in terms of attacking and such is cool, but 1 card that spoiled that for me that shouldnt have th effect it has unless it fullfills a condition is blue eyes chaos max dragon, just out right having double piercing man is that cool and 4000 to topple over any card, wait that isnt how hes played.....summon zero defense on opponents board and attack for game......lame he should have to maintain something to have an that effect or do something to do the effect so it aint quick and done, sure hes a ritual hes got his condition, no when decks can be designed to get him out quick and combo out a quick easy win is boring, like you can have it but it shouldnt be free, effects need more cost than initially intended, borreload shouldnt be as generic, barron de fleur shouldnt be as easy as 2 monsters and omni negate, omni negate generic monsters should have a condition to stay on board or something at end phase link the link headed dragon to stay he needs 5 cards from gy banished or hes done, Borrel should need his counters to survive barron banish a card you control to stay, chaos max banish monsters with attacks that equal to or more than his attack from your gy or hand or field to stay on field and banish a blue eyes white dragon to gain his double pierce, but if you had weaker stats that facilitate your powerful monster effect then yes thatd be there condition to balance them out for not needing a hard condition effect to maintain or gain despite your cost.

And one other thing. I think a limiting the amount of effort monsters you can play in your deck would be a good idea Or limiting the amount of high atk monsters you can have. Let's you can only have 3 level 4 monsters. With the exact same attack. Same thing goes for affect monsters. We're a lot of times you have a lot of monsters that have the same attack. Friend force people to play. I'm more wide variety attack and defense value monsters

This is just a powercreep issue.

I honestly don't think it would make much of a difference because of how little the battle phase matters these days. In my opinion that's the real heart of the issue because the battle phase is the only time when attack and defense points come into play so if the battle phase doesn't matter they won't either... and I have no idea how to make it matter. Honestly I think would be way easier just to remove the battle phase completely.

Synchros and links are too beefy.