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the golden one claiming a vacant throne refers to Turalyon, he is made supreme commander of the alliances forces, and with anduin abducted (and thus the throne vacant) he claims the throne. he is infatuated with the light, hell he is basically a lightforged human almost who served in the army of the light for a thousand years. we have seen what happened on altered draenor, where the light began to conquer all. Turalyon basically becomes a servant to the light, takes the alliance throne and begins a new war of dominance to claim azeroth in the lights name.
@@sindrimyr5351 The Light doesn't conquer; crazy folk do it, like Yrel. I don't think Turalyon is that stupid but anything can come from Blizz nowadays.
@@sindrimyr5351 It is true that it was ONE naaru, and they mention that it was the Light Mother who encouraged Yrel to take the reins of such a crusade, dedicated to eliminating the enemies of the Light, and from their point of view they were the ones who did not preach the faith. There is no proof that the Light tries to dominate everything, there is only the crazy Xe'ra who in both timelines tries to consume everything. For our part we are heirs to the forces of Order and yet we do not eliminate or try to change things for our benefit at the cost of existing lives or non-lives. Cosmic forces have always existed and they do not try to consume each other, less because it is said by creatures dedicated to deception, death and destruction. These forces are not bad or good, and they are available to those who know how to use them. Paladins of Light, Knights of Death, Druids of Life and Hunters of Chaos (among others) fight side by side to counter those who try to consume everything (Old Gods, Sargeras, Xe'ra, Zooval) and thus be able then have a peaceful existence.
The Golden One could also refer to Tyralion, a light forged human to claim Stormwinds throne in the true King's absence Who knows what he is doing in our absence
@@Nerazmus it's all speculation. remember when the "five keys" definitely, without a shadow of doubt, were the pillars of creation? like, the whisper is definitely meant to fit the silver daddy's description, but that's how they get to pull the rug out from under you.
@@SunniestAutumn You can speculate. I just read what is written. To answer your question, I don't remember that time because it never was. I guess there were people who thought that for certain, but I bet there are people who just as wrongly know that Jaina is Winter Queen's sister or something.
A thing to keep in mind is the whispers from him in Ny'alotha were only in the files and didn't actually get added to his encounter in game. So take them with a grain of salt.
So "The Boy King serves at the Master's table. Three lies will he offer you." During "Kingsmourne", Kleia says to the Archon: "A living soul seeks an audience, a King.. By all our measures, one who has spent his life striving for Justice One who would give anything to serve his people One whose heart is true." My theory is Anduin faced trial before meeting the Archon. Those three things said about him are lies in that moment because he is serving at the Master's table. I could be overthinking it.
Azshara only canonically died once in Eternal Palace. People like to count philosophical deaths too when they bring in Alleria turning towards Void, and Azshara turning into Naga, but Sylvanas physically died three times already, so there's no discounting any one of her deaths. If you want philosophical, she went to the Shadowlands and took a new form, boom, fourth death. My bet is on Azeroth, first Sundering, second Cataclysm, third Sargeras' sword.
Food for thought here. We know that the old gods/the void are beings that see infinite future possibilities and because of that have plans within plans within plans. Nyalotha seemed to be almost too easy to defeat them. What if the old gods are planning to be released into Creation all at once? We've seen them only one or two at a time. What if they're waiting for someone (perhaps the Jailer) to inadvertently let them loose. The Jailer wants to destroy the current establishment and create a new one. Meaning that any prisons or whatever holding any old gods would most likely be weakened. How cool would it be if the end of this X-Pac wasn't us besting the Jailer but instead him winning only to accidentally unleash the full wrath of the old gods. Imagine an entire expansion built around trying to take back the cosmos from the void lords/old gold's.
Honestly we know the void invaded the shadowlands once. What if the jailors true goal is to free them from the realm of death. That would make a large amount of sense as well because freeing them would bring about the black empire again giving the void control and as well possibly enabling him to break free of his current chains. We know there are more realms of death so what if one of them is a prison for the old gods when they die to keep them from breaking free again.
4:33 - I would rather say it refers to Turalyon. He's literally wearing a golden armor. Also he can be manipulated by Lothraxion, who we pretty much know isn't a true servant of the Light.
Another void quote that people don't seem to mention much is: "the light has made a deal/struck a bargain with the enemy of all." Lothraxion is a dreadlord that's been light-forged. The dreadlords serve the forces of death, and death wants to consume all other forces.
Bruh! Ok so theory! Maybe i just got a tinfoil hat on but the whisper "The lord of ravens will turn the key." When you fight Fate-Scribe Rokaloh in the raid he yells, "Gods fall at the turn of a key." Maybe those 2 things are connected? Maybe Oden will step in and lay the pain on the Jailer while we free Anduin/deal with his forces in a final raid of the expac or something?
Could it be possible that illgynoth is a void-infiltrated Dreadlord? Notice his wings, his void-corrupted nathrezim form, how he speaks of the master as if his master was the jailer, how he seems to know the plans of the dreadlords, his conection with the nightmare, xavius and... that red misterious soul that striked the arbiter... suspicious.
Xal'atath has a line in the Emerald Nightmare that makes it sound like he is actually a part of N'Zoth in some way. It appears the prison of N’zoth is not as strong as it once was. What you see is a tiny growth of the behemoth that may yet consume your world. (at Il'gynoth the Heart of Corruption)
"The lord of the Ravens will turn the key" - this one can be about Jailer, because we have one another phrase: "When their mistress beckons, nine ravens take flight. Each seeks a prize to earn her favor" - this one is definitely about Sylvanas and nine valkyries. But this nine valkyries serve Jailer, not Odyn. And more on this, in last cinematic Jailer-possesed Anduin told about "key" that he needs. Perfectly fits for me.
Didn't that whisper "At the hour of her third death, she ushers in our coming" refer to Alleria? She is already Void-related and I remember her saying her past "Deaths" were more of tragedies in her life instead of actually dying in at the very end of Legion when they returned to Stormwind Actually, that whisper could relate to the other whisper "The golden one claims a vacant throne. The crown of Light will bring only darkness" if it really does relate to Turalyon. He turns evil/a light zealot, we defeat/kill him, Alleria has her "third Death" in the form of her husband's demise and goes full void mode
It's to Blizzard's benefit to make the whispers refer to multiple things at the same time. That's part of them being vague and giving themselves wiggle room in development, while also making the whispers seem more complex if there's the same pattern that can be applied in multiple places/angles.
There is a theory by Shinies and Luckydoos that suggests the 5 keys are the 5 original paladins of the Silver Hand and the virtues they each embody based on the Libram they hold/held. So if this is the case then there is one left still and that would Turalyon.
"The Golden One claims a vacant throne" could very well refer to Turalyon, who since Anduin's abduction to the Maw, has "claimed a vacant throne". Remember in the Rejection of the Gift cinematic Turalyon was really "golden" even his eyes were a golden yellow til Illidan destroyed Xera, then they went back to light brown. Turalyon being a zealot of the Light could be quite dangerous now that he's ruling Stormwind and the Alliance in Anduin's place. We've already seen that the Light is manipulative, oppressive and can not be trusted
I mostly agree but 2 things: 1) The golden one is most prob turalyon cuz he is the golden boy of and zelaot of light and alliance, wears golden shiny armor and has the throne and ruling of stormwind and allience. 2) The third one most definetely refers to aleria cuz after legion bilzzard added a diolouge just outside of stormiwnd between turalion and aleria, in wich aleria said "i feel like i died 2 times already" and most players actually have seen it already, i rly believe blizz puts this on purpose. Also we all know alerias void conection so it makes sense and it helps turalyon theory too....
What raid death? So far she has died 3 times. First being Arthas in Silvermoon, then when she jumped off ICC and then when Lord Godrey shot her in the back of the head. We don't know she is gonna die in the next raid, and I'm pretty sure she won't die.
@@cristisebastian8379 I think they have more planned for her then to be killed as a raid boss. I remember in an interview a while back that Alex Afrasiabi said something to the effect that she wouldn't let that happen. I don't remember exactly but it was something like that.
The Golden One is defs Turalyon, he serves the Light in a fanatical degree, so I think he'll become crazy with power, trying to "claim" Azeroth for his master. I wonder what would Alleria do with this, since she's void-touched... There's a lot of potential for this topic
I definitely believe that the “Golden One” refers to Turalyon who claims Anduins vacant throne. We’ve been shown that the Light can definitely bring Darkness (see Yrel in Alt Draenor for example).
I agree. I'm also thinking the next expansion will be us returning victorious from the Shadowlands only to find High-Regent Lord Turalyon has reopened the Portal to Alt Draenor to allow The Army of the Light access into Azeroth to place it under the control of the Light by force.
sylvanas already died 3 times though, once as the ranger general, second when she jumped down icecrown, and third at Gilneas when she died from an arrow. anyways, here is something, now we know the lore states the forsaken brokeloose from the lichking, but what if this was the jailers plan all a long, you se he was kind of controlling arthas through the helm of domination, so he could most likely easily have let sylvanas and the others free to roam Azeroth, I also think Sylvanas knew about the jailor long before we got to know it, like maby even already when she died at icecrown.
I still think lord of Raven is Kadghar. Key is the Sargarite keystone. Kadghar used the Sargarite keystone to open the portal between Argus and Azorath. Which results us killing Argus. And if Argus soul break the arbitor, So Kadghar turn the key to cause Jailor free.
@@HavocHounds1988 I got few theory for that too. 1. We never seen a titan die in game before. When Pantheon die their soul goto their home planet. Just like demons goto twisting nether. If demon dies in twisting nether, they die truly. Maybe since we killed Argus in his own planet. 2. Argus is the death titan. He literally have power of death and rebirth. Sargeras use this power to build a demon factory. So he can respawn demons faster. 3. Icecrown hold a specialty even before Shadowlands, souls already sucked into sky even before Sylvannas break the sky. (This might be some door made for jailors arrival). So since Argus died too close to Azorath. He might get suck into Shadowlands too. 4. As always, dreadlords did it 😸
@@chamathnadeeshan4008 Argus was killed in the Seat of the Pantheon not on Argus. You can even see the planet of Argus in the distance during the fight. And the way the red object behaves in the cinematic is not like a soul, all the souls seen pass before the Arbiter and she judges them. The red energy hits her directly as if it was a directed attack. I honestly think it was connected to Denathrius, possibly Remornia his sword.
@@HavocHounds1988 Umm No. If it's Danathrius it's lazy writing. We already know Danathrius and Sylvannas wants to do it. it's lazy to say they just attacked it. Unless they made someone do it. In order to storytelling, it should be something interesting. Mistakes are better than direct attack. Or direct attack from a Allie we have yet to know. Then we found he was a trailor all along. Like Sylvannas cause the war because she's working with Jailor. Ardenweld quest shows why we pick Zandalari for the war, to give Jailor souls. We found how Muezala made her warchief. It trigger nostalgia from legion.
Turalyon being on the empty golden throne could also be the bringer of darkness. He is a herald of The Light after-all. He is only on the throne because Anduin is serving the Jailer
Xal'atath has a line when you face Il'gynoth in the Emerald Nightmare that implies that he is a part of N'Zoth. It appears the prison of N’zoth is not as strong as it once was. What you see is a tiny growth of the behemoth that may yet consume your world. (at Il'gynoth the Heart of Corruption)
@@grennbalze Yes but that was different. That was when she made a pact with the Jailer and then the val'kyr resurrected her. In the Gilnean campaign she already had the val'kyr ready to get her back to life.
The golden one is Turalyon he's taken the Stormwind throne while Anduin is gone, I still think the whispers make much more sense if Il'gynoth was a void dreadlord
The Golden One is Turalyion as he serves as the regent lord of Stormwind in Anduins absence. We know a Light based conflict is coming and so this is very befitting of the whisper.
Sylvanas had already died 3 times actually. She got one tapped by Godfrey in Cata. inb4 He said not counting when she was val ressurected, but after she had jumped from the top of the FT she had also got valk ressed.
Great video - my question is this: why can't "The Golden one claims a vacant throne" be Turalyon claiming the Stormwind Throne and he brings darkness because he is a religious war hungry zealot?
I'm guessing that the five keys refers to the five sigils of the eternal ones. Denathrius, The Archon, The Winter Queen, The Primus, and The Arbiter each have a sigil that when taken from them will presumably empower the Jailer. So if he's somehow connected with the Void that would work too.
The Void knew it all as to its Rivals in Death. The Void left Whispers to spill the Beans on what coming for all or lies to twist. But Ultimately the Void gave there war to Death to the Heroes of Azeroth and one would imagine the Void lost some battles to win a war in there cosmic war chart.
The golden one claims a vacant throne. The crown of light will bring only darkness. This Whisper refers to Turalyon as he is currently sitting on the throne of Stormwind in absence of Aduin and as for Hour of her Third Death its not Sylvanas because she was shot dead by Genn Greymane during a quest in Tirisfall or Silverpine Forest but was resurrected by her Val'kyrs
Also, Turalyion looks to be the one been referneced in thq quote. Anduin cant be in a vacant throne if he is the heir after his father died and he being the prince... A throne is vacant when theres no one with the rights to sit on in, so someone gets called to work as the king until someone with the right to be one apperars. Being Anduin captured made vacant Stormwinds thrown, but not before. SO is Turallyion now sitting on it. Looking how he blindly folllows the light, and having Alleria controlling the shadows, that quote is more likely referencing to both.
Sylvanas has already died 3 times, first while she was alive and 2 times since undeath, she threw herself off Icecrown as well as being killed by Lord Godfrey in Silverpine Fforest, I always thought that Sylvanas might tie in with the 3 deaths whisper but i think it will class it as her 3 deaths as undead not classing while she is alive (if she is to die again), especially now hearing the speculation of her soul being split in undeath. I always thought that after the fight between Sylvanas and Saurfang, with Sylvanas calling everyone 'nothing' that was because she had seen the afterlife after her Icecrown death before she was brought back to 'un'life and was always working towards fixing her afterlife so that she could actually die and rest in peace, which I honestly thought her reason behind burning the world tree, it would have helped to open the way to the after life, ( before I knew it was called the shadowlands) just like how the previous world tree was connected to opening a summoning portal in Warcraft 3 (my mind has gone blank and forgotten some of the details there) but yes I always thought Sylvanas started working with the Jailer against us in order to gain information and one day save us, as she is a very strategic ranger general by lore and also doing something similar previously, working with Arthas for a short while after gaining her self control again before the assassination attempt on him. I was abit off with how the wow storyline unfolded and want to know more about sylvanas' future already!! hope this isnt too much of a read, I really enjoy watching your videos!! :D
Blizzard-Empolyees at the making of Legion: "Oh lets have this big-ass Old God thing that talks mysteriously..." Blizzard-Employees before the production of Shadowlands: Oh people take this random nonsense seriously, lets make something out of it!"
Sylvanas also dies in the Siege of Gilneas storyline. I think in the Worgen intro quests. So she has already "died" 3 times. Godfrey shoots her and she is resurrected using the valkyr.
@@Doronsmovies She died in that encounter. This is all that matters. She was brought back the first time by Arthas, but you still counted that as her first death.
I honestly doubt we'll kill Sylvanas in the Sanctum of Domination. Also, even if she does die she has 3 Valkyr left, and even without them she would probably just end up back in the Maw like all souls are.
You’re wrong about Sylvanas and about the vacant throne. Sylvanas already died 3 times, her sister Alleria says she feels like she had already died twice, more likely. Anduin doesn’t sit on a vacant throne, he is the one that vacated the throne by being abducted. Turalyon is the one who sits on the vacant throne. Turalyon and Alleria are the two you should be paying attention to going forward. They already showed on the pre expansion novel that their morals are pretty flexible, perhaps as flexible as Sylvana’s.
I think it was an offshoot of N'zoth. It appears the prison of N’zoth is not as strong as it once was. What you see is a tiny growth of the behemoth that may yet consume your world. (at Il'gynoth the Heart of Corruption)
Sylvanas has already died 3 times, 1 when she was turned into a banshee, 2 when she threw from icc and 3 in silverpine forest lord Godfrey shoots her in the head
Some hints that Old Gods may tie into this... hmm... Yeah, them being referred as death related entities since vanilla may tick some people on that. The golden one refers to Turalyon. The lies are not about the keys, since we know the first lie happened during Legion and the second one shortly after. Why would the lantern thing refer to the Pillars? They weren't used to do anything with old gods. It's obviously referring to ... something in Shadowlands to not spoil much. It's not hard, but still. Sylvanas already died three times. But not a bad guess.
@@Nerazmus Where specifically? Just saying they were referred to being aligned with Death doesn't prove it. For example in Wrath in the Halls of Stone the Tribunal of Ages refers to them as Necrophotic Parasitic Symbiotes which Necrophotic is essentially Dead Light or the absence of light. So Void/Shadow. Yogg'saron calls himself the God of Death but there isn't anything that truly backs it up. There may be a slight connection between the two because of the fact they were shaped by the First Ones like the rest of the Cosmos but nothing concrete to link them together.
@@HavocHounds1988 Oh boy... This would be a long haul. Death+light doesn't equal void. I have no idea how you even came to that. Yogg never once refers to himself as god of death since he serves one. Yeah... nothing... just wee small tiny thing of them bringing death and basically everything about them revolving around death. Basically nothing yea.
@@Nerazmus Yogg says in the intro to his fight. Sara yells: I am the lucid dream. Sara yells: The monster in your nightmares. Sara yells: The fiend of a thousand faces. Sara yells: Cower before my true form. Yogg-Saron yells: BOW DOWN BEFORE THE GOD OF DEATH! Also you're still not giving any examples. The Legion causes death everywhere so they must be part of Death too. Oh and the Light kills those that don't adhere to their rule like on AU Draenor, they must also be connected with Death.
Okay just a little issue with this maybe a misunderstanding of mine but anyways , the golden one you don’t think that’s referring to who is taking the place of Anduin in stormwind right now . And how he will possibly bring only darkness ? Idk prolly just me but I think he will probably become a antagonist at some point or another just cause of his extreme devotion to the light who of which also Has very extremist views . This man has been gone forever and he comes back to have orcs undead on his lands of Lordearon he’s gonna wanna take it back and purge possibly Azeroth of them . Just my thought it’s probably very flawed :)
And where exactly IS Wrathion in all of this? Considering that he lent his considerable influence to stopping the take-over of N'Zoth and the Black Empire, though it's more than likely that the concerns of land and politics where the fate of the entire world isn't at stake, would be far less pressing. Still, between Wrathion and Ebonhorn, they could at least offer their wisdom to the respective factions, should the need arise.
use logics: if death is not nothing. and void is "a lack of" and nothing is "THE lack of anything" => Death is the absence of life, but it is something => If void = nothing => beyond life and death is nothing. = is void. Unless, Blizzard makes something of the nothing. Things that make sense in the Nothing/Void of Blizzard, as in any other place = The Space and Time => Void is the last realm before The Nothing, since we will raid and pvp and quest and grind in the Void. => Void will probably be a realm of the mummies from TBC, void demons etc. => those are made from antimatter => antimatter is a form of very very very very minuscule matter that also acts in opposition to how matter acts. => realm of antimatter does not equal Nothing. => Nothing is the bankrupcy of Blizzard => the lack of not something, not anything, but everything.
I cant wait for the asmongold to react to the video that doronsmovie copies off of bellular - then addresses it calling it unique and the cycle of wow content will continue
The void was in the nightmare... the void flower was found in the shadowpriest class hall campaign... we found a void flower growing with Xalatath... Void was certainly in the dream and Yogg or Nzoth ( i think its yogg) corrupted the dream long ago and created the nightmare...
He refers to Anduin both as the Golden one AND as the Boy King and not in the same sentence? This makes no sense.....Turalyon should be the Golden One...
This is honestly some of the most poorly thought-out speculation I've seen. The "evidence" you use is just so, so weak for all but two of these conjectures and you misunderstand at least half the things you bring up, like Sylvanas' number of deaths and Anduin's throne being vacant, not that he took a vacant throne. "Three lies being the three keys" is also just horrific guessing. Can't help but give you a thumbs down for that.
