How is data actually used to scout players? | Tifo Football Podcast Special

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As scouting becomes more important for elite level clubs to find the next wonderkid, how is data actually used in the process?
From Aussie Rules to Premier League analyst at Chelsea, Dan Pelchen is the founder of Traits Insights - a company with a big focus on individual player data.
A special edition of the Tifo Football Podcast sees JJ Bull and Joe Devine sitting down with Dan to discuss how he is translating complex sports analytics into meaningful player insights.
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Комментарии : 157

@KT-ki6gz Год назад

A bonus episode?? My gates have suddenly become so good

@Apollonufc Год назад

Yes with the newsman jj bull too

@ElFlouACM1PT Год назад

Kuddos to you sir, can't pay attention to the podcast cuz I'm still laughing

@HristoKirov1100 Год назад

Best comment I've seen today

@treehousekohtao Год назад

'We gates are wery good'

@josephdominic9305 Год назад

Haha yesssshhh

@booshramoosh Год назад

Would love more of this style of podcast. I would love to see in the details of coaching as well, like how would managers choose a system/formation and what are the key criteria of doing so. How would these systems changes the players/training sessions.

@jubjubbird1855 Год назад

Please bring in financial person too. On how they managed transfer budgets, when should they expect to receive the broadcasting money, would the player be categorised as fixed assets, would they depreciate/ amortize the players based on their contract period, the club sources of revenue, players salary & bonus, how they manage salary cap, is there any other investment made by the club that is not related to football, which body would supervise club's financial/ to who the club need to present their financial reports is it only to UEFA or IRB too & etc..

@mattbailey8479 Год назад

I signed this guy as a performance analyst on my FM22 Everton save! So wild to put a personality and a face to the name

@becks6900 Год назад

Thanks for doing this! I've missed these long-form interviews. You guys used to do them a lot and it was the reason I started listening. Hope this means there'll be some more in the future

@Agza Год назад

I like the fact that Dan has gone to great lengths to explain why data and stats are just useless, if not used in tandem with other variables and other modeling cues such as weighting and regression. This legendary quote immediately comes to mind; "Stats are like a bikini, they don't reveal everything" -Steve Kompela

@HonestDre Год назад

Hellooo. What a special episode! You know what else is special? The Athl.... Never mind.

@anne8180 Год назад

I learn more about football from interviews like these than I do watching former players who turn to punditry.

@ben.edwards207 Год назад

I love how much he talks about communicating data in terms that everyone can understand then continue to use loads of words no one can understand

@Sam-cb3pv Год назад

Would love to hear more about how Dan got into sport analytics. Definitely one of my interests

@rossanderson5218 Год назад

As a current data analyst hoping to one day get into data analytics side of football, this was a superb podcast, thankyou!

@xavi47 Год назад

bro can you recommend to what to study for data analyst role

@hmonkey1 Год назад

Really enjoyed this, as a techie i would've loved to hear about how data scientists do the analysis. But that could be quite dry for most folk 😂

@VelvetyOnion Год назад

I love all the TIFO podcasts in general and this subject is fantastic - the only issue I have with interviewing data-led professionals is they are always safeguarding their information / always feel like they are not letting us fully "in". Which is fair because of their job, but it doesn't make for an ideal podcast guest, as I don't feel like I fully know what they do, there are no examples of players they have helped pluck from obscurity or any concrete examples of any of their work. At the end of the podcast, I don't feel like I've learnt a lot more than I previously knew because of this. Again, I did enjoy the podcast I just felt like so much was held back and I wish the stats side of the game was a bit more open, to create a better conversation.

@HeadRecieverAtHeadOffice Год назад

I think the trick would be to get the data analyst very drunk at the pub and let the player specific examples come rolling in !

@sw392 Год назад

We need more podcasts related to role of data in football 😍😍

@kevinobonyo6230 Год назад

On a Thursday? YEEEES

@eddwinmoiane175 Год назад

2 podcasts this week. Awesome 😍

@dubs31 Год назад

Great stuff. Cheers to Dr. Dan for coming in and explaining his professional work. This one takes me back to the old office, books holding up mics/cameras, and Steve Morrison explaining why the person yelling at him for not pressing is literally countering everything his manager drilled him not to do all week for that match. Seb speaking with Clyde...hell, even how we were all introduced to JJ initially. These are true boat-times people. Drink it in. Thanks, Tifo.

@3rdaaa Год назад

Excited to listen to this, as I have some interest in scouting and data. Great content guys!

@christosmadrid Год назад

I was not expecting the mighty Collingwood to be brought up in Tifo EVER. Great podcast guys and UP THE MAGGIESSSS

@blizfutbol6736 Год назад

UP THE PIES ⚪️⚫️

@sarahk1695 Год назад

This was a great bonus episode!

@ikeproud6045 Год назад

Love it! Just the old days before you were game relevant! As much as I dig your regular pods, this kind of interview is what first got me onto the tifo train all those years ago! Would love more stuff like this

@dadalo5 Год назад

This is sick. Love this episode even more than the regular podcast. Great interview and chat

@chat-dmt Год назад

Nothing can beat a fuel card, trench coat and a feeling in the plums.

@chrisfraser5088 Год назад

Oooo…extra podcast? Really cool topic guys! Great info. My gates felt so good after finishing this episode.

@Ibeenabsentalongtime Год назад

Phenomenal interview, loved the Aussie rules comparison - great job guys

@BackgroundWild Год назад

This was really great guys. Love your podcast normally anyway but this was really informative

@wesleysmith6074 Год назад

This has been a wonderful listen, putting a lot of things into perspective

@klausn7267 Год назад

Great video. Really interesting - would love to hear more from Dan.

@thefootballpunnedit Год назад

I'm buzzing to see this... as someone who spends half his day on fbref and caring about pressures per 90 for strikers this is immense.

@konstantinospetrakos2536 Год назад

More podcast? Yeeeesssh

@ruisilva2896 Год назад

This was great! Please bring more on the topic

@leonardmvaya5156 Год назад

Dan is brilliant, you can tell he has a thorough understanding of his work and he's able to relay that information in an easily palatable manner

@jimjimson9 Год назад

Really good ep! Reminds me of the good old days more specials please!

@shortshady12 Год назад

Been too long since we've seen a podcast special. Great insight into our beautiful game!

@chelsHQ Год назад

Loved it. Dr.Dan Thank you

@powermonger9090 Год назад

Will this make me better at scouting in Football Manager?

@zkavess7294 Год назад

This was good. Cheers to Dr Dan for doing it.

@T.E.S.S. Год назад

Loved this. Brilliant stuff.

@jamesbaurus5928 Год назад

A special podcast? Yesssshhhh!

@pierriedupreez4474 Год назад

This was super interesting. Very unique episode 👌🏻

@__dane__ Год назад

Really living for the week this week

@wogbog Год назад

i've been thinking i missed the tifo podcast interviews so this is nice

@williamsdenes Год назад

SPECIAL EP WE LOVE EM

@oisinmoore8725 Год назад

Super interesting, thanks for this!

@theogrimond5167 Год назад

This was awesome !

@tevol7448 Год назад

excellent interview thanks

@noobmixups9102 Год назад

now i appreciate more how stats and data were implemented on fm, its interesting that the player value were calculated based on your club and league just like fm

@evilface-bl5sr Год назад

this was amazing

@harryweldon8584 Год назад

Man this is so cool that something that kids kicking about in a park has all these levels of insane details all the way up to the professional game.

@patrickm8316 Год назад

Another great podcast.

@waxcpc Год назад

Include JJ in everything please. Thanks!

@rossimate96 Год назад

This is fantastic. AFL is leagues behind football in terms of data analysis and great to see an aussie leading the way in it. Never thought I'd see the two sports I follow like this on Tifo of all places

@Notverysupercoach Год назад

It's not that far behind within the walls of clubs at elite levels. But the average folk doesn't have the same access to data

@TheKrostiman Год назад

This is one of the best they did this year.

@harrisontrotter741 Год назад

Wheyyy aussie on Tifo!

@nadeem118 Год назад

yay morning extra podcast in Canada time!

@Juiced_Lemons Год назад

Even more podcast please

@francisd7081 Год назад

I already love Dr Dan 😍

@haize9124 Год назад

Another banger by tifo

@roryphilpott207 Год назад

Would love to see you guys witness a game of Aussie Rules and discuss it briefly. The grand final of this season is September 24 if you're curious...

@connieeverafter3029 Год назад

So as I understand regarding the clustering point, and quantifying abilities using different metrics per position etc. Might an example be, in dribbling, for a number 6 them dribbling all the time and long distance carries etc might not be that useful given that would mean being out of position often. So instead of using metrics such as distance carried, successful dribbles, and progressive dribbles, they might instead use successful dribble percentage, dribbles under pressure, dribbles away from pressure, ball retention etc. Whereas for an 8 in a mezzala role, or wide playmaker, they might instead determine their dribbling rating based on progressive dribbles, entries into the box, xthreat created via dribbles etc? If so that makes a lot of sense. I think we all try to use some of this sense anyway just naturally. Like if a CB has quite progressive passing, but he also has many unsuccessful long and short passes, within a pretty good ball playing environment, it might not we worth that tradeoff. This was a great podcast.

@hellosaysme08 Год назад

2 episodes in 1 week is truly worth it's weight in 10p Fredos

@domhuckle Год назад

Subjective scouting presumably covers things like - character, stamina, contribution to morale, vocalisations and teamwork

@cobii5174 Год назад

nice more podcast

@ChriSX13 Год назад

hey, i just listened to an interview of him on the official AFL podcast!

@victorodulate7548 Год назад

Huge fan

@jopearson6321 Год назад

None of it was surprising to hear, but it was very interesting and informative

@VolleyballExplained Год назад

I've played Aussie rules for 2-3 years, nice experience. :)

@runrafarunthebestintheworld Год назад

It looks like Rugby and I've played Rugby.

@VolleyballExplained Год назад

@@runrafarunthebestintheworld It's the cousin of football and rugby that developed independently by the British prisoners in Australia. :)

@kicka11 Год назад

More to the point, how ARE data used?

@ajw9533 Год назад

I remember the data people telling Liverpool to buy Carroll and Downing. On paper, it made sense.

@donwilsonfromthewildlifepr2904 Год назад

Wild description of footy. The Finals are on now, if anybody’s curious, and there’s a game starting in about 7 hours

@James-fb9wn Год назад

Freo Pies tomorrow too

@car9melo Год назад

Love it

@jr_xtreme8940 Год назад

I love this type of segments. I'd like to know how transfer fees are determined...it seems a club just slaps an arbitrary price on a player and it's up to the buyer to negotiate

@notyourfriend1634 Год назад

Very interesting

@cityofmagic4370 Год назад

Y’all should do a daily 3 hour podcast!

@tffti7058 Год назад

awesome :)

@Jamesveltmeyer Год назад

It seems a lot of data is about individual players, it would be interesting to get data about how players play together in partnerships and how that makes a difference to the data.

@neillynch4778 Год назад

The question I would have liked to know is did Dan prove out his model to the Chelsea higher-ups by using historical data. For example, did he go back to the 2014/2015 data and show that, yeah, that kid at Caen called NGolo Kante that nobody's heard of is actually the best DM in the world? If they had spoken about some players, other than Haaland, that his model would have identified if used 5 or 10 years ago, I think that would have made it more compelling. Thanks!

@BocchitheRock132 Год назад

Wait he's at Chelsea. ? Is he part of the new data team which Boehly brought on or was he already here ?

@anestojaga6442 Год назад

Love JJ translating everything into FM terms

@wmyates17 Год назад

I immediately pictured the way JJ described traditional scouting as a noir film

@martinbrndgaard564 Год назад

I would love to hear Dan and Mark Carey on the same podcast talking about this

@wmyates17 Год назад

His work is genuinely fascinating, is there any possibility we can trap him in a scattergraph

@SWJ808 Год назад

Can we make Dr. Dan a regular?

@davematteo2076 Год назад

As someone with a master's degree in sports analytics and a particular interest in talent ID, this was an awesome video! But also slightly sad I turned down my PhD offer now

@seanmackenzie1449 Год назад

My favourite newsman’s

@willmurrill3572 Год назад

Keys and Grey would be spinning in their graves as 'proper football men!!' I love the data side of football personally as it helps you see the real value in someone who might be good in the narrative or even a player that is not good in the narritive

@redmed10 Год назад

Does he get to first base? Was the main line in Moneyball. Do scouting teams just look at numbers now and don't actually watch the player in a 99 min game.

@jonnyboy6339 Год назад

JJ needs to live his dreams of being a football manager!

@fadhilideche2831 Год назад

A surprise, but a welcome one.

@DJMavis Год назад

45 minutes flew by there!

@gaara4667 Год назад

What happened to the other guy that did the podcasts with Joe before the buyout?

@sherv.h Год назад

Hey Joe, I think the word you were looking for is "Biases." You can try all you want to use science-based research to discuss, analyze and conclude your world, the world of football; in this case, however, Biases will always hunt you...because you're human. Good conversation.

@akamiguelsanchez9985 Год назад

It is fascinating how football is becoming an industry anyone can break into thanks to data and statistics.

@SGB-hq4dk Год назад

I’ve done high-level data analysis in the financial services sector-I can tell you with a lot of confidence that it won’t work well because it’s not a static game & it’s about intertwining a system of play & personalities.