My Grandfather was a traveller, and became a head gardener at some big house in Manchester, a respectable position at the time. Different times, different people, and different standards.
@Donnell Okafor travelers of today are filthy, and I totally understand the reputation they have now. My grandfather would turn in his grave if he saw the way it has gone. He used to travel with the seasons, sheering sheep, sharpening knives to collecting scrap metal.
My dear old mother delivered babies for the travellers in their horse drawn caravans / tents and I well remember as a child the mother and baby visiting our house and having tea with my Mum.
My grandparents were farmers in Yorkshire - even in the poorest parts of the Pennines, in those days farmers (like other working men) wore old tweed suits and woollen ties. Older workmen up until about the 80s could still be seen dressed like that. Now of course it's all yellow vests, hard hats and big bellies. I'm sure it was the same in Ireland - which used to follow after UK social changes.
This video popped up to day,the tinkers they were called back then, they would come to a small road near where I lived, my mother would give them the pots to fix,she would give them tea, sugar, in a news paper, half the cake of bread, we weren't much better off, we had a rain down old house, the odd rat. I would go to their camp, made on the ground, they slept in it, I'd play there with the children, when they would leave I would be so lonely, to this day I cherish those memories, and i want a holiday in a horse drawn caravan. Tinkers was from the work they did tinkering.
They used to knock on my grandmothers door during the 30's - 40's in Galway begging for food, then she got abuse when she would tell them they had nothing themselves. Gypsies they called them at the time. My family barely had a slice of bread to eat themselves between 8 kids, they were lucky enough to have a roof over their head. Tough times.
I'm looking at the caravans they have and the rudimentary tents - hard to believe it was 1965 , could have been 1865 . Irish travellers are fascinating people .
Respectable Travelers back then, unlike the vermin today. These people were poor. Today’s Travellers are cowboys making a fortune. Vans, 4 by 4s etc. God bless the old Travellers
You have a point however unfortunately its the same for so many communities including my own Irish community. 60 years on look at a large section of the Muslim community?? The black and Caribbean?? The Jewish?? The white working class British?? We could go on and on looking back we have let our parents and grandparents down they done the hard work and set high standards unfortunately not all could keep up .
It was a hard life, a cruel life, those people were not wanted by many of the locals, How could we treat those people so badly, I know many people did not trust them. If I was one of those people I would have stolen just to survive, No they were not all saints, they did some damage, but some of us did not do our bit to give a helping hand, we did not give them respect, a days work now and then, a few bob, a word of advice and encouragement. If we have walked a few days in their shoes for a few days during the cold, wet and hungry times we would have better understood of our fellow man/women and children
@Donnell Okafor I know that some of the traveling people do wrong and they turn people away from them, but we can not say that about every single person, plenty of the settle people do wrong. I was referring to bad times years ago, if the traveling people were treated better most would not feel like outsiders, not cared for, not worth much, they lost their faith in us.
They're not down on their luck, people like that don't have children. These people made a living out of begging, stealing and selling. They could try to either integrate into the rest of society or stop procreating.
I never met my grandfather , he was a traveller, he died just before i was born. He used to go round sharpening knives, repair umbrella’s , make pots and buckets out of tin,copper. From some of the stories ive been told he was a bit of a boy, he had to keep changing his name as the county sheriff was often after him for pinching sheep, horses , he’d have my father and his brother fight the fair boys for money as many fairs in the day had boxing rings. Also he’d disappear for weeks and all of a sudden he’d roll in wearing a cowboy hat saying he’d been to america where in fact he’d been on the piss with his other gypsy friends. With me being the first born my father taught me alot of things that were passed down from his father, i could skin a rabbit when i was 7 yrs old, as living in the country side you’d never starve as there were farms all round, free spuds, free cabbages,carrots,parsnip and turnips,take what you need and no more. I could catch trout using just my hands ,sadly hes gone now but still have some great memories of things i did with him and no other child would have memories like that.
My grand parent's from both sides travelled like this in ireland. Late fifties. To days travellers and english gypsys alot of them dont cause trouble. We have are own places sites big and small. The ones that do pulling on 2 parks. Fields. Havent adapted or moved with the times. There the ones that are giving us a bad rep. When we buy land our selfs and its away from houses and villages were always been turn down by the planners it all ways goes to appeals 8 times out of 10 travellers gypsys get there permission. Subject a fortune been spent on complying with conditions. Thats just my opinion and from wot now and gone through.
From what I’ve witnessed with my own eyes. These people trash every place they stop at. They don’t respect the road, countryside, neighborhood. They leave a mess behind and don’t pick up after themselves.
What you are saying is, if I go on the dirtiest, most dangerous council estate in the uk they represent you? Jimmy saville, did he represent your people? That’s how stupid and narrow minded your comment is.
Like today, in 1965 they were also just packing up and leaving and leaving behind all their rubbish. If they tidied up after themselves locals who are left to clear their shit, might have a different view of them. Theyre the same, never learnt respect and dont want to. As lomg as they can bet a few bib out of you and on their way.
If the government respect their culture they would have the proper forcible to help them you are so descrimate to what you don't understand yet you go to the house of lords you are a hipret loser go to heel
@@marybreen1841 feel free to respond with the crapypu have but try to spell and make it actually legible. Education is free in the UK but its wise to stay in one place to get it!
chessfun they used to loosely tie across the 2 front legs or one front to one back, instead of tethering them,there was a lot more road side grass then even small farmers used to turn their cow out on the road ,they called it the long acre
my parents live in redditch uk and actually for a w weeks there are still horses with a traveller family that feed from the roundabout and spend the night on the side of the road
@@jimmymolo Spot on, you must have been born during the 60's if I am correct? We also spancelled a few cows before milking to stop them kicking which was before the anti kick bar was invented.
It is disgraceful how the Irish Government Treated these Travelling People over the Years. Thankfully things have changed and more Respect Shown, However many County Councils sent money back in 2017 that should have been spent on Traveler Accommodation,
This film was made the year i was born.Back then Irish travellers rejected education.Sadly 53 years later too many families still do,even those settled on permanent sites.The government both here and over in Ireland should force travellers to send their children to school until leaving age.Only then will their lives improve but its banging your head on a brick wall with too many of them.The high rate of criminality is a lot to do with lack of education.Loads of travellers dont have proper driving licences, simply because they cant do the written part of the driving test.No licence= no insurance etc etc........you get the picture.But they need to WANT to better themselves!!!!
burnleyfan11965 your right but some have moved on and bettered themselves But most don't know how And are afraid of rejection but In their own community their accepted for who they are
burnleyfan11965 I’m a traveller and I have a driving licence and went to school well into my adult years.but no matter how much I can learn to read and write and drive legally on the road I’m still a traveller and that won’t change no matter what happens we are a majority that won’t and never will be excepted no matter what.just look at the pubs around Ireland won’t let travellers in and yes I have a few storylines there let me tell you.and remember that the jails around the country (uk)(ire) etc are full up with all creeds and religious .not only travellers .the penal system was created well before we landed on gods lands
At least they had a nice caravan and were independent, now middle class/working class irish are literally sleeping on the streets with nothing. Bring back the caravans and horses❤
When I was a child, the field opposite the church was the winter camp for a large group of Gypsies. My grandma befriended them and helped whenever and however she could. As a result, we got to know them well. One thing that has always stayed in my memory is the hatred that the Gypsies had for the tinkers. They believed that many of the problems that they had were because most people could not, or would not distinguish between the two groups. I notice quite a few "woke" comments on here, but I have little sympathy, though perhaps my relationship with the Gypsies gives me a biased point of view. The Gypsies were a proud people, honourable in their own way, which was, of course very different to that of the settled people. The tinkers that also visited the village, though never when the Gypsies were present, were so different. No pride, untrustworthy, and generally a nuisance. Whenever they arrived, problems followed. I remember a comment that was quite common in the village that the Gypsies would take anything that was not nailed down (not strictly true, but also not completely untrue), but the tinkers would take it even if it were nailed down, and they'd take the holes as well.
It was a hard life, a cruel life, those people were not wanted by many of the locals, How could we treat those people so badly, I know many people did not trust them. If I was one of those people I would have stolen just to survive, Now they were not all saints, they did some damage, but we did not do our bit to give a helping hand, we did not give them respect, a days work now and then, a few bob, a word of advice and encouragement. If we have walked a few days in their shoes for a few days during the cold, wet and hungry times we would have better understood our fellow man/women and children
@james bradshaw Was there ever a plan by Irish local councils or government to allocate some land for the travellers? So they could pull up and build a more permanent home. Or would the local villagers have always disputed that suggestion?
@@comealongcomealong4480 thank you for this information, we should feel shame for not treating others with respect and a little kindness, We should also stand up when others do wrong no matter where they come from be settled or traveling people, we all have a responsibility
Is there a history film or book that would be recommended on the people of this subject. I have only seen a couple on "Irish Travelers" - they were made out to be "undesirables" akin to "white trash" and I prefer to know the greater truth - the judgemental generalize far too much/often. We're all souls having a Human experience in this Life Journey. 🍀
What the presenter fails to understand is they have no interest in living in houses working in jobs or being dependent upon anyone else It's a different culture end of
Ireland's poverty was as direct result of 800 year's of English rule. We have come a long way in 100 years of self rule, England has gone backwards, 300000 homeless 1000000 get food from food banks, kids stabbing people every day ,massive drug problem, paedophiles running the government, paedophiles in the royal family. What next?
Ireland's shame is people like you ,ignorantly labelling true pure blood Irish folk who did there best with the hand they were dealt at the time ,if you called Afro American the shame of the USA ud be a racist ,they also did there best with they hand they were dealt after been kidnapped from there homeland an put to slavery by the yanks , uv been rared by ur parents to think ur somehow better or more important than the commoner because uv a house to go home to and a bed to sleep in ,,,but truth be known the shame of ireland is the upper class ,its those people who because of there class get positions of power in government an councils and organise the system to benifit them an there type and the rest of society can suffer, Similar to Hitler an his Reich ,i bet the Jews were the shame of Germany in your eyes too?,, Shame on you an ur type ,,,ur obviously of British decent and let's be fair your (upper class) monarch are just peodiphiles and responsible for mass genocide trew out history , would be the shame of that country ,Nope they'd be in charge actually ,,,the world has been brainwashed over the years to relate people of wealth, with authority and superiority, when they ore 9 /10 times the real shame and responsible for the downfall of society's trew taxation and laws which benifit only there kind ,Shame on you all
Ireland born and bread and what the lads said is it was the 800 years of pillaging our country that led to this its in our blood still no excuse to be robbing and acting like cunts but its only a small amount theres good and bad everywhere
its scandalous a publican refuse to serve travellers i think the minster for education should keep the traveller's 1st year to 6th year the system is working these people go to college to get proper training the princepal's should talk around them to finish the 5 years cause time fly's once ya pass 3rd year ya only got 2 years left
