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How long does garden sulfur work? You'll hate the answer. 

Jon Bussey
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Hey guys, today I talk about how long garden sulfur lowers pH. There's a lot more to it than I thought. The answer is definitely going to surprise you. Here's a link to my video on lowering pH with garden sulfur from a year ago. Thanks for watching.
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@simpleacrehomestead
@simpleacrehomestead 7 месяцев назад
Very informative Jon. I have never done a soil test. You have made me curious of what my results might be.
@jonbussey5353
@jonbussey5353 7 месяцев назад
For potatoes and blueberries, I feel it's important. I thought I heard you say in one of your videos you had clay soil, so it's probably alkaline. Thanks for watching.
@simpleacrehomestead
@simpleacrehomestead 7 месяцев назад
@@jonbussey5353 yes you are right, we are in clay. When I planted my blueberries I dug out a large hole and mixed the dirt with peat moss 50/50 to give them an acidic environment they would stay alive in. Now I just continue to add left over coffee and grounds
@racebiketuner
@racebiketuner 7 месяцев назад
8) You are correct about increasing the percentage of organic matter. The two mistakes I see more often are not adding enough and not giving it enough time to break down. I start with 4 cu. ft. of leaf mold per SF of native soil, mixing it in 12 inches deep. It needs to be kept moist and protected with a heavy mulch for at least one year. In many cases, the entire process needs to repeated a second time.
@billelrod1779
@billelrod1779 7 месяцев назад
Wow…very interesting! Thanks for doing so much research here…I looked back at my first soil test from 2018, and my sandy Virginia soil was 6.6-and it would probably do well to have another one done after 4 solid years of mulching and amending. Because compost is neutral, my guess would be that it will raise the PH slightly. Makes sense that more organic matter would help break down the sulfur quicker. I didn’t know that sulfur is basically broken down the same as fertilizer. You learn something new every day! Fall application also makes sense..gives it time to break down partially before planting, and last through the growing season. Thanks a bunch, Jon! Very good information as always…
@jonbussey5353
@jonbussey5353 7 месяцев назад
So would you say your soil was naturally acidic, or do you think it was a 6.6 because of all the organic matter you've added? It really was confusing reading all the studies and seeing different outcomes but there was a lot of good information. I'll be really interested to see what a soil test shows this fall where my potatoes are. Thanks for another great comment.
@billelrod1779
@billelrod1779 7 месяцев назад
@@jonbussey5353 this was the first test we did when we moved to the property-just the native soil before we started gardening there. All we did was till and sowed seeds. Around 2020 was when I started mulching…so it would be interesting to see if the mulch and manure has affected the PH. Our measurement of percentage of organic matter was 2% in 2018, which is incredibly low..we’re talking Florida sand low. I need to see what it is now..
@jonbussey5353
@jonbussey5353 7 месяцев назад
@billelrod1779 I would have to believe it's dropped. But if you hadn't added any amendments, and it was 6.6, I'd say sandy soil being slightly acidic could be true. I bet your nitrogen phosphorus and potassium are quite good also. Love the comment. Thanks for sharing.
@jonbussey5353
@jonbussey5353 7 месяцев назад
Hey guys, I learned a little bit making this video. No matter how much someone knows, there's always something new, but hey, that's the great thing about gardening it never gets boring. Let me know what you think. Thanks for watching.
@racebiketuner
@racebiketuner 7 месяцев назад
3) Great to hear you dove into the scientific literature to get to the bottom of this. Agricultural Universities and their extensions are usually the best source of information.
@racebiketuner
@racebiketuner 7 месяцев назад
6) Soil PH is primarily a function of the native rock (anything larger than 2mm). If your PH is high or low by 1.0 or more, you may need to go deep to remove them. In extreme cases, I have excavated four feet deep, put down a layer of large logs and backfilled with native soil screen to 3/8" and mixed with a high percentage of organic matter. I prefer leaf mold for this purpose.
@racebiketuner
@racebiketuner 7 месяцев назад
1) Hi Jon. Nothing wrong with your answer. The job of soil scientist is basically giving people bad news! You asked for input, so I'll give you some in bits and chunks. AKA aggregate. 😉
@racebiketuner
@racebiketuner 7 месяцев назад
11) That's all for now. I hope you found my comments useful. Good luck with your adjusting your PH!
@jonbussey5353
@jonbussey5353 7 месяцев назад
I read everyone and found them interesting. That's the great part about gardening, there's always more to learn. Thanks for sharing. I appreciate it.
@racebiketuner
@racebiketuner 7 месяцев назад
@@jonbussey5353 Yes, always more to learn! I've been at it almost 60 years and still feel like a beginner...
@racebiketuner
@racebiketuner 7 месяцев назад
5) When doing a soil remediation program involving PH, it's super important to dig a large number of deep holes for your samples, check for stratification and understand the native rocks. It's not unusual to find a pan 11-15" deep. Also not unusual to find a very high percentage of rock when you do deeper. Either of these can be a severe impediment to remediation.
@racebiketuner
@racebiketuner 7 месяцев назад
On an urban lot, two holes is usually enough. On a large piece of land, dig one hole every 1k SF (non-adjacent) until you notice a trend. Seems like a lot of work, but not compared to fighting these problems for 35 years!
@racebiketuner
@racebiketuner 7 месяцев назад
By deep, I mean 4 feet. If it has a high percentage of rock, I further asses by screening it to 3/16 inch. In my part of the country, it's not unusual for rocks >3/16 inch to account for 70%.
@racebiketuner
@racebiketuner 7 месяцев назад
2) Soil science is far more complicated than most people imagine. It's normal to want simple answers, but most of time they don't exist. A good place to begin is reading Soil Science For Gardeners by Robert Pavlis.
@jonbussey5353
@jonbussey5353 7 месяцев назад
You are absolutely correct. The more one reads, the deeper it gets. Thanks for sharing, I love to read.thanks for the comment and for watching.
@racebiketuner
@racebiketuner 7 месяцев назад
10) Adjusting PH with elemental sulfur is like trying to hit a moving target. I calculate how much I need, incorporate 1/3 of that, test again in four months and repeat. In my experience, it's a lot easier to "sneak up on it" than trying to get it perfect in one shot.
@jonbussey5353
@jonbussey5353 7 месяцев назад
It seems doing it that way would be more accurate, but are you able to plant and still get it lower?
@racebiketuner
@racebiketuner 7 месяцев назад
@@jonbussey5353 It depends on a lot of factors. Most important is the gap between existing PH and target PH. If the difference is .3 or less, it's very unlike to cause problems, providing you wait a few weeks after incorporating/watering before you plant. If the difference is .5, things will no be so predictable. Chances are you won't get a great yield. If the difference is 1.0 or more, it's a large bet with the odds against you. IMO, it would be better to push your intended crop out one season and plant a cover crop, flowers or something better suited to the interim PH.
@racebiketuner
@racebiketuner 7 месяцев назад
I want to repeat, it depends on a lot of factors. I'm just giving you guidelines based on experience with small scale soil remediation in my region. Your local extension is likely to have a great deal of data specific to farms in your area. If your PH is off by more than .5, I highly recommend contacting them. Their services are very affordable and it could save you a lot of money and/or time. If you take that route, I'd really appreciate you sharing the info.
@racebiketuner
@racebiketuner 7 месяцев назад
4) The studies you read do not have conflicting information. It can seem that way to newbies who don't understand the variables.
@jonbussey5353
@jonbussey5353 7 месяцев назад
I tried to point out some of the variables on why the results came out differently. Maybe I should have said it a different way.
@racebiketuner
@racebiketuner 7 месяцев назад
@@jonbussey5353 I believe you made that clear. I often find myself in the same situation. I've learned that means I need to do a lot more reading. Eventually the pieces of the puzzle start fitting together.
@racebiketuner
@racebiketuner 7 месяцев назад
9) Don't waste your money on PH test kits from the garden center. Get a roll (or two) of Hydrion test paper for human urine/saliva, a pint jar and some distilled water. Remove any organic matter from the sample before putting it in the jar. I like to use 8 to 10 one tablespoon samples from various locations/depths. Cover with distilled water, shake it up and let it sit for at least 20 minutes before testing.
@jonbussey5353
@jonbussey5353 7 месяцев назад
Thanks for sharing. I like how easy the test kits are to use, but I'm always open to using something else.
@MorganBrunson
@MorganBrunson 7 месяцев назад
Youre on the right track. But you forgot the key process of chemistry. Sulfur in presence of water and heat will react to form sulfates without the need of bacteria. And being water soluble they leach and disappear. The use of buffers such as baking soda helps keep the pH stable. The main thing is learn the chemistry and biology al9ng with regular testing.
@jonbussey5353
@jonbussey5353 7 месяцев назад
Hey Morgan, thanks for sharing. I did learn a little bit about the process of breaking down sulfur doing research for the video, but there's still a lot I don't know. Comment like yours is what I like to get because it gives people more information to learn from. Thanks for watching. And thanks for the comment.
@MorganBrunson
@MorganBrunson 7 месяцев назад
@@jonbussey5353 no problem. Being a college edumacated redneck really comes in handy.
@racebiketuner
@racebiketuner 7 месяцев назад
7) People often refer to soil as clay or sand, but technically that's incorrect. A more accurate way is to give the percentage. For example, there's a big difference in soil that's 32% clay and 40% clay. Measuring this is very simple with a primitive texture test. All that's required is your sample, a large translucent cylinder and water.
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