If you begin with more money, the FA will put you higher up the pyramid. Plus, this example is only for the South West, depending on your region there will be less divisions
I part own a club in the 13th tier of English football. It’s not been around for long but it’s gone through back to back promotions every year it’s been in existence I think. We’re doing well in the league this season and another promotion is on the cards, we’d be going up to Cheshire Division 1 (12th tier). It’s obviously a long journey but it’s worth it. If you have the financial backing and the right people in the right places, back to back promotions in the early days isn’t unrealistic. And when I say financial backing, I mean literally a few tens of thousands will give you a massive advantage over the other teams around you. Me and the other owners have fronted some cash and the club also has some sponsors. They use that money to hire out training facilities, equipment and a bunch of other stuff that the rest of the league don’t have easy access to.
Clubs like Wimbledon who were founded with a strong foundation of fans and comparative financial strength were placed by the FA much higher up to begin with. This example is taking a team from ROCK BOTTOM up to the very top
@@maherhamadouch2005 why are you saying it like it's something to be proud about it? "we didn't just jump the queue, we HAD TO FIGHT TO JUMP THIS QUEUE!"
It also depends on your clubs location AND financial strength when you register with the FA. This example is just for a team with hypothetically ZERO money starting in the most competitive region of the UK, Devon, the only county to have 9 regional divisions. Some have far less
The fact Devon has 9 tiers of football is insane. I haven't played in about 15 years and I feel like I could get a game for a midtable side in the Devon League 2.
The standard is actually very good in Devon, I know people that have moved away from here to London, Gloucester and up in the North and have all said that the standards better down in Devon.
Odd comment if you’ve not seen the standard in Devon. I don’t know if your any good but the standard in the Devon Prem was pretty decent 10 years ago, when we won it..
Y'all UK footballers don't understand how good you have it, you can be at any quality level and still have tons of options to play the sport you love with a team as an adult. Meanwhile in the US you stop playing in high school/college and you can't even FIND any organized leagues to save your life.
@@aiarta2280still counts nonetheless, ive always dreamed of playing pro but its not free to play here in the US like in europe. at one point my parents were paying $1500 a season and that got to be much so i couldn’t continue to go up the rankings and college football(soccer) is extremely hard and expensive to get in. at the end of it all im just gonna go to uni to study exercise sports science.
@@BernardBrunu1Way of your own club, not a "career mode". Nobody wants to see Sheepshepards Little Church AFC getting from Huxstable Division 8 to Premier League. For example: The Isle of Man, Guernsey, and Jersey? All got small teams, the way they would compete you could compare to FC Sylt here. The translation should be English meanwhile. A businessman wanted to take a club from Westerland on the island of Sylt from around Lvl 8 to the "Bundesliga". Lvl 5 was the club disbanded. Too much ferry traveling, costs, long distance travels, less interest from viewers...
I live near a team called Redhill. Very low in the leagues but because they was an FA founded club they get invited to play in the FA cup every year. Stuff like this needs to stay in football.
Why? European sports, association club football specifically, are very locally bound cultural touchstones in society. In American sports teams move to different cities, fans don’t care and support whoever happens to represent their city that year and the leagues only care about making money. So American sports will never be like it because they lack the culture and loyalty that forms the foundation of this system.
@@SomeRandomGuy164 that's simply not true at the high school and college level. There is a ton of grassroots support for local teams and local players primarily play (only not true for major D1 colleges like Bama, even mid tier D1 colleges like Mississippi State and Iowa are primarily local players). Only our professional leagues are treated that way
@@SomeRandomGuy164 in the US high school and uni sports are very relevant (all future pro athletes play in schools, pro teams don't have an academy) so people who want to support their local team will support their local university for example. In pro sports in the US wealth is incredibly equally distributed and the no relegation stuff keeps every team relevant. I think it's way better that the currently worst team the NFL for example can go from the bottom to be a contender in just a span of few seasons with good management. In Europe, big teams are big because they have more money and the system is designed to keep them in power. Small teams have no chance to be big unless some rich sheikh buys them
Conceivably, you're right. If you started out with no infrastructure and no plan beyond being a local football team, you'd start out at the bottom of your local county/district league. Dorking Wanderers are the best example of a team who started out in a local league and rose through the county ranks in neighbouring Sussex. Dorking FC went bankrupt and they moved into their ground, which helped them rise further. However, there is a difference between intermediate and senior football, though they don't really call them that anymore. Intermediate is Step 7 (level 11) downwards and senior football is Step 5 (level 9) upwards, with 6 being an uneasy buffer between the two. The discretionary element allows teams who are geared up for senior football to drop in at Step 6 or maybe even at Step 8. If you're a phoenix club and you have the stadium, they won't put you below Step 5. Macclesfield went in at Step 5, Chester and Halifax at Step 4. If you can guarantee fans and have a reasonable stadium (either own or have a long lease), they'll probably drop you in at Step 6, which is where a lot of these protest clubs have gone (FC United, AFC Liverpool, AFC Wimbledon). Good video though.
The amount of divisions in England always impresses me. And the fact that people care about their local teams and that games in lower divisions even have a crowd sometimes.
I wish we had a similar system. Even if it was just in terms of college football, I’d love to see my hometown team go from a tiny D3 school all the way up to a Big 10 contender. Would never happen, but I could dream.
This is so neat, I don’t know the quality of league 9 in Devon but it would be so cool to just form a team with your bros and be a part of the whole system
Fun fact: the worst team in all of England is called “racing mouse first”. They are at the bottom of their league in the Bristol downs football league. If they promoted every season it would take 24 years to get to the premier league
Damn... That's longer than watching your child grow up. But I hope that whoever is trying or fighting for this have all the support of his team, family, friends and partners.
I am convinced everyone in England plays football cause man that is so many leagues and teams...and also if I lived in England there would be a team for me, which makes me happy
I would say 1 in every 3 men in the UK plays for a team, Sunday league football is literally ingrained in the country. Me being an 18 year old playing against grown men builders and plasterers still hungover from the night before was hilarious.
I've played in those Devon leagues and the Devon premier is a high standard. You need to be a very good footballer to play in that league. It's physicaly hard and technically decent. League 8 obviously is not, it's for people who just play for fun. But I promise you that D&E Prem is way way higher standard that anyone reading this would imagine!
Wait that's a great idea. There need to be something other than promotions that make you go up divisions tho because I don't see how they would apply that to the game
@@thatsdope9571In the EA Managers there had been the possibility of Fusions for a while. A common example here is SpVgg Fürth - German Champions 19 before 45. And the "Tea village" Vestenbergsreuth. Who kicked out Bayern around 1992 in the DFB Pokal. The Club is named SpVgg Greuther (from Vesten...) Fürth. If you find a English translation about Helmut Hack, on Wiki, he was first Veste, and then long time at SPVgg the Chairman.
Went on a scout trip to Devon when I was living in France for a year when 13. Great place enjoyed cycling over the hills and watching the rubber duck races down the river
This is why I love our football pyramid because every hamlet, village,town, or city have multiple teams. I have several old school mates playing in the southern premier league for clubs like Wimborne Town Fc etc.
Someone has probably already pointed this out but what league you are in doesn’t determine whether you are a professional, semi-pro or amateur team. It’s about how the players are paid. For example, all but 3 teams of the national league are professional and some national league north/south are professional teams.
well at least there is a clear, existing way of going up. In many countries, like Mexico, there is no organization to the amateur level, you just play. Here I can see there is a clear system, with structure steps. I'd prefer that.
Amazing how thoroughly connected and tiered out the entire football league system is in England. As an American soccer (football) fan, this is something I want to scream at fellow Americans to understand. This, this, this is how you organize a sport. Relegation and promotion bring a passion and fight like no other to clubs
@Bensker it’s still a closed league though. kinda gets old watching the same teams year in and year out with nothing new to spice things up. you’ll never see a story in the NFL like Leicester City who got promoted to the Premier League and wound up winning it the following season they were promoted or Porto who despite having a smaller budget than the big European clubs still went on to conquer Europe. you don’t get any of that in American sports. and tbh the whole draft system is ridiculous and i’ll never understand why sports and education are even connected in the first place.
Nice to hear! Always thought that the "Pub league" or Sunday league would be Lvl 12 in England. Played myself in Munich in the last leagues. Our system was like C-Klasse ( Team II Most times) B-Klasse A-Klasse ( Starting first team's) Bezirksklasse Bezirksliga Bezirksoberliga ( might be, not too sure) Landesliga Bayernliga Regionalliga ( Amateurs) 3.Liga ( Pros) 2. Bundesliga 1.Bundesliga It is a matter of Region a little bit. But you get in around 7 till 9 years "straight up", like in your model.
I know what you said was completely hypothetical but even so it’s just impossible, say you start at the bottom as a 16yr old in the men’s team of a club, you get promoted every season for 15 years straight you’re gunna be 31 in the national league, even if you got to the prem you’d be 35-36, probably not playing and at the end of you’re career, still would be an amazing career though
@@nunyabusiness4682There are 2 Players here in Germany, who played in each of the 9 Levels First team in their Region. One got 3 games in the German Bundesliga around. Think it might be Werner Rank, at Augsburg.
That depends on a number of factors: 1. The team's location 2. Financial strength 3. Whether the team was formed to replace a recently defunct team or not. Some teams can start directly from the National Team or League Two. There are teams in Germany, Italy, and Spain which started from the 3rd tier league.
In the Philippines, you are directly part of the top flight league for the next season once you pay your registration fee whether your team is from a defunct one or a literal new team.
Obviously its not all that practical, but the idea that its even possible is kind of romantic, and it makes me wish American sports had a similar system. Well, that and a desire to see rival teams get relegated 😂
Was waiting for someone to post this fact.. you can jump leagues depending on good results, facilities etc.. same goes the other way. You will be capped at a certain point if you don't have scope for expansion
RB Leipzig were already a team that was established in Germany that was bought by Red Bull and then renamed and re-imaged. Similar (but not the same) to MK Dons in UK. I'm almost certain England just has rules on Sponsors owning a club and changing their name/badge into what's basically an advert for the company.
@@Braindeadx16 Germany does too, the RB in Leipzig represents Red Bull however legally their name is RasenBallsport Leipzig which translates to grass ball sport iirc.
Yeah Red Bull pretty much just buys smaller professional teams in big leagues around the world to eradicate their club identity and history and rebrand them as a red bull billboard kicking a ball in a net
@@DeadZeppelin822 😂😂 they took a small failing 5th division club and in 8yrs brought them up to 1st Division while being a model club in the way it forms, buys, sells and is successful. My neighbours parents still live outside Leipzig and everyone loves the club there. The offended virgins who want purity can pound sand, fans dont care. They are way less offensive than the uber rich corporate club parasites which every year buys the best players from German teams... like Leipzig.
Nice video. As well as other caveats mentioned. This also assumes you’re able to upgrade facilities accordingly to league standards. A team in the league my friend plays in couldn’t get promoted because they didn’t have their own permanent toilet facilities 😂
Do note that the realistic amount of time is never, but the nice thing is that there is s path. It's basically impossible for a local team to break into the highest level of pro sports because you're drawing from a tiny pool of people with no money to buy or retain genuine talent, but the fact that given enough skill and dedication it could be done is pretty nice.
Bury AFC are currently on this treadmill back, we have already won our 1st league, and are on track to win our second consecutive. Wish us look we need it. UTS.
The Southwest Premier Logo used in this video is actually the logo for SWPL in the United States and it makes up the 5th-7th tiers. The clubs are from the states of California, Nevada, & Arizona.
It's mental. Obviously these local leagues wont all have 8 tiers but when you think about if new clubs could ever compete we will never really see it cause amount of time.
I will say, there was a team who incorporated in Division 7, they went unbeaten with +127 goal difference and got promoted to Division 1 from 7. Going on to win Division 1 with ease in Devon.
As an American citizen, this is absolutely mind-blowing to learn about! So in theory, somebody can start a league with their friends when they're teenagers and over the course of their adult lives, go from the lowest division in English football to the best football league in the world?! What?! That's wild to me.
But you would need to put millions if not billions of dollars/pounds into it. But in theory it is possible yes, just like in most other European countries when it comes to sports. You can always get promoted or demoted depending on your finishing position in a season
Amazing idea, have 24 of your closest mates all have a one boy child and start a football club amongst yourselves and raise the children through it so that by the time they’re all 19 they play in premier league(completely unfeasible)
You do realise thats not how it works- The NL North and NL South are the same tier of the pyramid, the difference is, the NL North is for teams in the north, the NL South is for teams in the south
It can be done far quicker than that if the new club successfully applies to start in Step 6 of the non league. This is not unheard of. Hashtag United started at Step 6 I believe.
Thanks for this. As someone that works in construction but has not got a clue how football leagues work in the UK, I have a very basic understanding and can talk with my colleagues about football.. Cheers!
