PART2-ru-vid.comb175IHq41so?feature=share TAKE NOTE: The ONLY GROUP i'm not sure with is ENHYPEN because i only based that on yeoun's analysis. Heeseung's sense support is present occasionally. Jay's sense of support is limited and Jungwon also limited but more support on his lower register. Pls Kindly correct me, THANK YOU✨
@@لبیکیارسولاللہلکھاںسلامباباجی jimin is the opposite of support. He strains a lot. Maybe during debut, but he regressed a lot, like a lot. Now, maybe he's close to Jhope in terms os vocal
Right? I think it's just sehun who can't support. And it's not because he can't, he just not really confidence. But kai and yixing? Kai slay his encore with stabil voice. His voice sounds like unreal. Ppl can't see if he's lip sync or not.
@@Israhellgonnagetdestroyedsoonyes, kai has so many improvements in his vocal. And I'm pretty sure Lay have vocal support too, it's because not many people watch his performances in china or at least try to watch MVs by EXO-M. Yixing tried to cover Luhan part with Chen, since Luhan left SM. Yeah, sometimes people sleep with Lay's talents😂
@@levinadillap4358Yapp, true! And I think both of them now have the support too, since they’re always taking vocal lessons until now, we can hear now they’re already upgrading a lot too..
@@typh2630 Where does I say that he can't be a main vocalist? Hwanhee from FTTS and Yoon from Winner are baritones with main vocal position. I just want to say that he can't sing as high as Chen, D.O. and Baekhyun.
@@tuipaopao Umm Hwanhee and Yoon are not baritones they're tenors. We all know Hwanhee sings above G#4 in most of the songs which is absolutely impossible for a baritone of his level. Also Yoon sounds great in his lower range but he seems to be airy as compared to real baritones. For now John park is the only baritone in kpop rest are lower tenors
@@dumbdumb1853Hmmm. That might explain why they can sing high note above F4 easily. How about Kim Dong Ryul? I listened to his song and it's quite low. Is he a baritone?
EXO are Vocal Kings!!! This is why, no matter how bad SM treats them they can still manage to stay on top. I'm so glad I came to know this amazing group. They are by far one of the best, if not the best, 3rd gen male kpop group to me and many others. I hope they continue to give us more amazing songs and performances for many many years to come. They are so much more than a flavor of the moment. EXO-l for life!!!!!
EXO are kings of vocals all of them where they harmonize together is just amazing they are the Korean Boys to Men and NSYNC and Backstreet Boys pure vocals straight up Talent
So SM basically killing it with vocal legends. 6/8-SNSD 6/9-EXO 3/5-Red velvet 4/4-Aespa TVXQ ans Suju, the vocal legends again. Idk about NCT. Mention NCT plz.
Added 7/9 SNSD (+Jessica) 4/5 or 3/4 SHINee (You missed SHINee, they're from SM, too) 2/5 or 3/5 F(x) (idk w/ Amber she can support or not, but actually Luna & Krystal can)
Not entirely sure but I think NCT 127 - 6/9 (+Mark with limited support) NCT Dream - 3/7 (+Mark with limited support) WayV - 3/7 Sungchan has also shown some sense of support but he lacks material
EXO proving themselves as the best vocals kpop boy group. Even though they've been in the industry for 10 years, they never stop attend a vocals lesson. Even chanyeol and sehun as main rapper always train their vocals improvement. Baekhyun as one of the best vocalist in kpop never missed his vocal lesson even during his military service
EXO IS KNOWN AS VOCAL KINGS FOR A REASON✨️💫 But I'm just wondering if most of tbe ppl in comment section known anything about vocals and techniques before saying someone's name and call them better???
@@kitty_12368 oh so u're part of those people. Listen, this is public comment section. Just like they can say whatever they want, we can reply to their comments however we want to. Don't be hypocritical 😊
@@kitty_12368 well I'm an arny not an exol nor a multi tbh and i have every reason to comment my opinion maybe u just need to scroll if u don't have same as mine, but exo was one of the best in vocal is not an opinion either but true
If you consider Jay to be supporting, then you should also include I.N and Lee Know for stray Kids who are around the same level if not better. Also, Yeonjun supports, good lower register, makes TXT 2/5.
@@leonardoenrico2152 to have some sense of support, you need to be atleast a weak vocalist (E tier), woozi is an underdeveloped vocalist (F+), he definitely can improve cause there’s tons of vocalists who were underdeveloped but then improved to weak or low/mid/high w-a (ex : twice chaeyoung, itzy yeji, lesserafim chaewon, blackpink jennie, stayc sieun yoon and isa, etc) i think if he trains more in vocals (which i won’t expect since he’s under hybe and hybe doesn’t seem to care abt their artists skills) and pledis let’s him sing in his vocal range, he could easily improve to weak.
han doesn’t support and neither does bang chan i.n and lee know shallowly support update: han can actually support and is almost at the level of seungmin, bang chan can’t
Yea I.N literally is part of Vocalracha for a reason😭also every time I here Hans part in there cover of ‘Pray to be your man’ I literally get chills~🤧 (but I understand what this video was trying to say♥️honestly tho tbh SKZ is OT8🤌)
I think a lot of y'all are mixing up what it means to "have vocal support" and what it means to "be a good singer". You can have a terrific voice or vocal range and have poor support and breath control. It's not all that makes up a singer but it certainly makes a difference wether or not you have vocal support and resilience.
The crossed out in EXO are their main dancers and I'm proud bcoz those guys can sing. Lay can reach high notes I can't even imagine (like how he did in The Flower of May). Sehun has a nice tone and it surprises me how he sounded so good in The Eve (please give him more lines sm😭). Kai has honey vocals and I'm melting with his executions (Blue is my personal favorite). Too much more to say. I'll stop here now before I'll say something more (like how proud I am of Chanyeol 😭)
the ppl in the comments are so dumb lmao, just bcs they are vocalist doesn't mean they have support, but that doesn't mean they can't sing. having one support in a group already enough. all of them can sing but not all of them can support go learn abt it more don't just talk
Well it comes back to their discography whether the members need support or not. Imagine having mamamoo's and exo's discography but the members barely have support. That's definitely not healthy.
Support is one of the basics of vocal training so this means that some groups might have less training om vocals. maybe that's the reason why most of these idols are so good in dancing, that's their focus. Well I hope companies try to re-evaluate their training process.
Well…I read somewhere that KPOP vocal training consists of learning the vocal style that fits the group’s concept or what the producers are aiming for (eg nasal cutesy style) and/or singing guides of older KPOP songs (like sing like how the original singer sang like) and/or the “stable” training of singing and dancing at the same time. Of course that’s not going to teach them the established set of foundations needed as a vocalist. Maybe teach them have a good ear (like sing like what it’s supposed to sound like and not just pitch), sure, but in terms of what it is needed (eg breath support) and also musicality/musicianship, not really lmao.
@@KittyTsundere yikes that kind of training would limit their capabilities and might ruin their voice in the long run. I think SM got a good training somehow since they have great amount of vocalists who got a healthy voice even after decades in the industry.
@@jvc.4655 Well a good amount of SM main vocalists (Baekhyun, Chen, Wendy, Kyuhyun) have already had established foundations before joining SM (I think they were recruited into SM because of their vocal skill), but to be fair, many of them improved during their time in SM (eg Baekhyun, Chen), and SM is pretty damn consistent in debuting skilled main vocalists (and skilled lead and even skilled sub vocalists for female groups). I would say SM is the most consistent company in debuting top or skilled vocalists followed by RBW and Starship.
EXO's Lay has improved throughout the years especially if you watch his. Live performances from the recent grandline 2 concert. His most recent release nothing with me showed this perfectly
@@XSuLBcCyDKSe I'm 100% sure yeah. His support is still very shallow tbh. I mean not even Junmyeon support well with his singing. & he's still arguably the 4th best vocalist in EXO. So that says smthing.
Even the main rapper in Exo, Chanyeol has vocal support while other groups' vocal line members don't have vocal supports. My Exo are really the Vocal King. The Emperor of Kpop, EXO.
I’m deeply impressed with Enhypen, people call their Vocals “Lacking” but look at them! 4/7 have actual support, and the rest[niki, Sunghoon, And Jake] can sing relatively well.
its the way people dont pay attention to the video for me. Op clearly explained what vocal support means and people still be commenting some of the vocalists who dont support at all and calling them vocal gods. Like please learn what vocal support means before commenting ffs. Also no vocal support doesn't mean that they're the worst vocalists.
Yall gotta agree exo actually has one of the bestest vocal group in kpop like have been listening their songs from their debut to now , gotta agree their vocals are not changed infact it is enhanced and funfact chanyeol is the rapper of the group yet!!!! My man always vocal, writing, producing, dancing like an ace he is👑......sm actually has the best vocals gotta agree and exo is just💥✨☠️💜
I am proud of Enhypen! They all are showing off more of their vocals with each comeback! Dark Blood was a masterpiece and I can't wait for Orange Blood!
@@isawanactualcicada1449Lmaoo Han can't support but he supports every other day... bffr. You really make I.N support but not Han. Honestly do y'all actually listen to Han singing or?? I'm curious
EXO Vocal kings indeed. I'm glad that I stan them. They're FOREVER KINGS👑 (Before y'all come at me, let me say that every KPOP group shines in their own way.)
for ateez, I would add san, their lead vocalist and second best vocalist after jongho. he actually talked about this before and showed it in a bts video of their concert. there are some ateez songs that also prove it or ateez videos where he freely sings. unfortunately his vocals are underrated he’s more known with his performance and dance but his vocals techniques are unmatched honestly
Yeah-I honestly want to know who rates the vocalists and when the last time they rated them was-and what they used to make the rating. I mean for Ateez all of their vocals have improved since debut.
Still haven't shown any sings of support. You can't call yourself a vocalist if you cant support, vocals aren't subjective tbh you may like his voice but that doesn't mean he can sing well... Even Jongho falls into the category of average 👍
@@atinyy.1117 I like Jongho alot tbh but it's just true. My boy is very strained, he sings most of the time out of his range. He has nice placements but has trouble supporting up to G#4, and sounds tense most of the time as well. He hasn't shown any kind of support in his head voice either and his lows aren't really that impressive. Overall he falls into the average category, but he's still one of the best male vocalists of 4th gen. He isn't bad at all, he's just not that good either. If you want a more objective rating like the tiers, he would be placed as a C tier vocalist. Vocalists like Jihyo, Winter, Seulgi and Seoho are also in that tier. 👍👍
SM artists never stop training , that's why they're always getting better! Even Taeyeon said she still has vocal training because there's always room for improvement .
Btw for Ateez it should be: Jongho✅ San ✅ Seonghwa ✅ Yunho ✅ Wooyoung ❌ Yeosang ❌ Mingi ❌ Hongjoong❌ Ateez has six vocalists btw which include not only Jongho, but San, Seonghwa, Yeosang, Wooyoung, and Yunho. I know what vocal support is so notice how I didn’t check off all the vocalists, because I do know that some of the vocalists do lack support. However you have to be not an Atiny to not know that San and Seonghwa carry heavy on the vocals parts and have strong support when they sing while also doing some of the hardest choreo in their performances. San and Seonghwa usually are very stable and have been the 2nd vocalists after Jongho that can sustain and support long notes or verses. If you listen to their slower ballad songs or some of their performances covers where Seonghwa and San are able to shine vocally more you’ll know this. Of course Jongho has the best support in the group, but it seems like the OP who made this video just casually looked over groups who they don’t stan and only marked off the main vocalists as the only ones that have support and I find that hilarious. Btw exo are vocal kings, but putting chanyeol as one of the members that has support seems heavily biased to me and the only member in enhypen that has support is probably Heesung. Enhypen are very pitchy a lot of the times for some of their live performances and I hate to say it but they definitely aren’t known for their stable and supportive vocals.
@@kimdaniel2601 sorry I forgot about Yunho. You are right. He is like one of the most stable vocalists in Kpop right now. I think at first thought I just forgot to add him cause San and Seonghwa tend to be the lead vocalists and seem to have a bigger and more supported vocal range than Yunho. There is a difference between being stable and having vocal support. And while Yunho might be even a more stable vocalist than the other two members I previously mentioned, I’m not sure on support. Support and stability are two different things. Support isn't only about breathing. It's a condition that you find if you manage to control your airflow and balance including better tone production and the ability to sing extended phrases and sustain notes for longer, hence I’ve seen the more vocal support and longer notes demonstrated from San and Seonghwa. But I’ll add Yunho now as he is very good too. I guess I just haven’t seen all of his potential yet and he doesn’t get many chances to sing higher notes or sing longer phrases like some of the other members.
@@thatoneATINYinthecomments other thing about Yunho-he was a vocal major at SOPA. I simply can’t imagine a vocal major at an arts school not being taught how to support. And if a vocal major can’t support how do they pass their vocal classes? Also-Yunho has a lot of lines in their Immortal Songs covers-especially It’s Raining and Right Now. He also sings in his lower register in their Fantastic Baby/Nillili Mambo cover. I think he’s a little throaty in that but he’s singing near the bottom of his range.
I think Lay should be included. He's been doing solo vocal performances in China and proved his vocal skills. I'm not an expert so what do y'all think?
yeah im surprised, his singing is really good and he can hit high notes. Xiumin is also a consistant backup in many bsides. But overall lay is very good
For your information, in ateez not only jongho but seonghwa also have vocal support and in skz, not only seungmin but also Han and bang chan have vocal support. 'For your kind information'
@@Rexille_Creative who told you bang chan can't support? And no IN and changbin can't support though changbin proved his great vocals in masked singer show. But for IN, his voice strains a lot so he doesn't get chance to show support.
@@mybiasduality1655 A trick in kingdom is not the entire vocal career of I.N, currently he has support and worked hard to improve the stability of him live, so...
Since NCT isn't here, lemme add them. In NCT, out of 23 members - half or at least almost half of them have vocal support. The Vocalists: Taeil, Kun, Doyoung, Ten, Jaehyun, Jungwoo, Xiaojun, Renjun, Haechan and Chenle. As can be seen on their recording behind-the-scenes, during "Sticker" - TAEIL was singing in a different note that is far from his usual ones. His voice came from the lower part of his body, his stomach. Everyone has vocal support, Haechan also can do the same thing. He can sing falsetto and low register notes while using different parts of his body. He can also use his muscles as the main support for his voice. I forgot Yuta, he can use his lower body, his muscles and even his chest and stomach while singing because he tends to also have higher notes than his supported range. Even NCT's rappers have vocal support tho I'm not sure who are they, but Mark and Taeyong definitely can.
Half of them?? Lmao. Kun, Ten, Renjun & Chenle don't support that well. They're quite shallow, most of them are. Haechan & Jungwoo are a little bit better but that's it. Only Taeil, Doyoung & Jaehyun that actually has solid support. Idk what kind of definition of vocal support u're using, but it's quite vague & a bit misleading. Not all of them can support their voices.
hello! i think han and bangchan also support in a few stray kids songs like neverending story, phobia, maniac, blueprint etc tho i admit it isnt as often as seungmin but if you're considering idols who have the capability of supporting i feel like they should be included. im not a professional vocalist tho so if im wrong on that please correct me
I'm not really knowledgeable about vocals but I think the one who made this vid, only includes those who consistently supports, and have shown it a lot of times. To add to that maybe a lot of members in each group here, can really support but lacks material to be analyze. Please correct me too if I'm wrong just my opinion.
@@lychee7391 han has actually been ranked as w-a by a professional, in a tier even higher than seungmin. Its true that there isnt much official material to analyse tho, he shows his skills in a lot of behind the scenes videos and is highlighted best in fan made compilation videos which most people dont watch, jeongin also has vocal support one tier below seungmin and im guessing most people's information is outdated cause he REALLY improved in vocals from debut
@@chnkzzv What??????? Chen the great vocalist here and the best 3rd gen vocalist is not an A so how u want Seungmin, Yedam, Jongho and Taehyun to be A?? Sorry but these tiers are not opinions they are based on their support and their support is not that solid to be A vocalists, it's not even solid to be C+ lmaoo
Junkyu had support during ygtb but soon his stylistic choices made him lose his support and it seems like he's forgot how to do it. Junghwan seems close to supporting next to main vocals and jihoon
@@dumbdumb1853 junkyu got less line in there album. His singing line is even better by asahi, junghwan. He never got a chance to showcase his vocal as he did in mixnine and ygtb. Let's wait for his upcoming performance
@@Sanniehae Yep he got less lines which is good which means they're letting him rest. Maybe he should rest until he gets back to his old technique. Also now he's below Junghwan in Vocals cuz he regressed but if he gets back to his old technique he'll be good as pre debut
@@dumbdumb1853 no bro Or sis, his line are not good enough for lead vocalist and junkyu is not below junghwan. He support back then means he can support now, ygtb was all live performance but treasure don't have much live performance except concert.
Jongho carries the whole group vocally anyway, so it doesn’t matter that the other members don’t have support while singing 😂 they are an amazing group ❤
Agreed with IN and seungmin- Not entirely sure abt Han tho- ^i take that back. Han can support. But I don’t think BangcHan is even close- as much as I love him he’s inconsistent 😭
The fact is they rely on Seungmin AND Han to hit and sustain high notes.. I still go back to their kingdom performance of I’ll be your man every now and then. Also if I remember correctly, during debut, it was Han so sang the high note of Hellevator as Woojin refused that part.
