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How Medieval KNIGHTS Got DRESSED! Two Different Armors Contrasted 

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Zac Evans ( / zacevansjouster )and I get dressed up in our 15th century armor and compare and contrast the differences.
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@scholagladiatoria
@scholagladiatoria Год назад
Check out Zac Evans' channel here: ru-vid.com
@sybransnoeck6987
@sybransnoeck6987 Год назад
I love Zacs comment on the foolhardy psychology of younger soldiers and how it could tie in with levels of protection seen on period art.
@exploatores
@exploatores Год назад
It´s like today. when official photographs is made. you have your things in propper order. when you and your unit are oun your own. your kit is the way you feel comfortable. // former Pog.
@edcrichton9457
@edcrichton9457 Год назад
@@exploatores there is a reason they are called infantry from the same root as infant. Troops are known to leave parts of standard gear behind because it is heavy and/or bulky. For instance gas attacks are rare so they don't feel like carrying the protective mask and conveniently forget it.
@nicholasricardo8443
@nicholasricardo8443 Год назад
That's my excuse for not having leg harness yet
@rasmasyean
@rasmasyean Год назад
I don't think Zac's conjecture is totally accurate. Back then you'd be trained by professionals who have lots of experience in real combat. Knowledge is passed on to kids in the upper classes who would have these kinds of equipment. It's more likely that they find it restrictive for the mission because they are there to do the job effectively. There is some bravado and over-confidence in certain cases I'm sure, but their "honor" or whatever depends on whether they defeat the enemy or not so there's also calculated ambition.
@neruneri
@neruneri 10 месяцев назад
@@rasmasyean Even highly trained military dudes *today* with a boatload of actual combat experience slack on wearing all their gear properly on the regular. It can be for utility reasons, but a lot of the time it really isn't. And to assume it was back then, is a bit idealistic.
@WolfVdME
@WolfVdME Год назад
Notice simple bows on the arming points, instead of arming knots (slip knots).
@MarcRitzMD
@MarcRitzMD Год назад
Why is the inside of the upper arm exposed? It has no joints and it's just a cylindrical in shape. Was it only for weight efficiency or are there mobility issues?
@scholagladiatoria
@scholagladiatoria Год назад
The inside of the arm is plated on some armour (both Zach's next armour and mine will be), but the inside of the arm clashes with the edge of the cuirass/breastplate, so having plate on the inside of the arm can be restrictive.
@JosefGustovc
@JosefGustovc Год назад
But I have to call you out on the floating arm harness. It definitely predates the articulated ones by at least 40 years, if not more. By 1310 they are already a thing, while for articulated arms we have to wait at least for 1340. Floating limb protection never goes away, really.
@scholagladiatoria
@scholagladiatoria Год назад
I guess. We were talking specifically about this style I suppose, which seems to be a product of the 1450s or thereabouts? But yes, floating legs first appear in the 1290s-ish? I guess I just don't directly equate this time of arm harness with the early 14th century ones, even if they are fundamentally similar technology.
@carlpolen7437
@carlpolen7437 Год назад
Lol. Matt looks like a particularly militant chef.
@Swarm509
@Swarm509 Год назад
So French?
@paulconrad6220
@paulconrad6220 Год назад
Gordon Ramsey Bolton
@ketsan
@ketsan Год назад
GET OUT OF MY KITCHEN!
@will2777
@will2777 Год назад
Gotta wear that metal harness in case the food decides to start fighting you
@shaolinadr
@shaolinadr Год назад
Going to challenge Gorden Ramsey to trial by combat.
@s.w.4409
@s.w.4409 Год назад
Pretty good camera quality for the 15th century I must say..
@waelisc
@waelisc Год назад
I'd be interested to hear how the dressing process would change if you were caught by surprise and had to hurry; would you skip, or prioritise, any particular elements?
@scholagladiatoria
@scholagladiatoria Год назад
I think if I had to drop anything, it would be the mail elements - collar, skirt, etc. In some cases you might just skip the whole legs as well - there is a surprising amount of medieval art showing people with totally armoured upper bodies, but with only hose and shoes on the legs. If you're fighting in a formation, where your legs are hidden down behind other people, I guess that works. Also means you're quicker on your feet.
@tylermain2033
@tylermain2033 Год назад
So, I actually larp at 24 hour games where fighting can happen at any time, and when I've been pressed for time, I've done exactly that. Mail shirt, corrazina and arms go on- sometimes sans spaulders if we're really rushed - and the legs get left behind. It's harder for me or whoever is helping to get on correctly under stress, time consuming, less important, and like he said, you're quicker on your feet without it.
@tomasschmidt8090
@tomasschmidt8090 Год назад
not debating German vs Italian style would speed up the proces alot :D
@SuperFunkmachine
@SuperFunkmachine Год назад
@@scholagladiatoria Or you go for full mail, armours with full shirts would give easy rapid armouring.
@Kradlum
@Kradlum Год назад
@@tomasschmidt8090 That really gave me a chuckle!
@nicholasricardo8443
@nicholasricardo8443 Год назад
I'm glad Zac mentioned the italian mail only shoulder defenses, personally I love the look of the 3/4 arm harness with mail shoulders and I wish it was discussed more, Ian from Knyght errant briefly mentions it, but besides that this is the only video I've found that mentions it
@ZacharyEvans
@ZacharyEvans Год назад
It appears a lot in art, but everybody loves full plate...
@scholagladiatoria
@scholagladiatoria Год назад
It's something I will look more at when my new voiders are finished, because then I'll actually be able to demonstrate it. We should also mention that it wasn't only done in Italy - I know examples from Flemish and English art that also clearly show it.
@peterspatling3151
@peterspatling3151 Год назад
Toby also mentions it in some videos with Matt
@nicholasricardo8443
@nicholasricardo8443 Год назад
@@peterspatling3151 Do you know which videos?
@almcdonald8676
@almcdonald8676 Год назад
Congratulations guys this was absolutely fascinating. You play off each other really well. Matts a born educator and Zac just picks up at opportune moments supplying additional expertise.
@williamknight6600
@williamknight6600 Год назад
This was a great video. I think it's worth mentioning that so much of our idea of German gothic versus Italian Milanese armour comes from survival bias and the historiography of armour scholarship originating with people trying to describe surviving armour rather than reconstruct the historical armour of different periods and regions. I imagine this is coming in future videos from both of you but I am excited to hear about your new armours from both of you since IiRC they are both going to be more English? As someone putting together a c 1470 harness I am definitely interested in seeing how yours comes together!
@jananilcolonoscopu4034
@jananilcolonoscopu4034 Год назад
One greave at a time, just like everybody else...
@SibylleLeon
@SibylleLeon Год назад
Me, seeing the title and the length of the video: "It took them an HOUR??" ... all right, I'll shut up now and watch it xD
@loganfong2911
@loganfong2911 Год назад
And put on 2x speed, but yeah.
@DETHMOKIL
@DETHMOKIL Год назад
RIP Myarmory. Maybe one day someone will come back and fix you...
@Kernwadi
@Kernwadi Год назад
Chess hasn't been updated in almost 200 years and it's obvious the devs have abandoned it. The greedy creators took your money and laughed all the way to the bank. I remember back in 705 AD when chess was fun. Then they started adding stupid features no one wanted like "Castling" and "En Passant" instead of listening to player feedback and fixing game-breaking bugs. I've been complaining for YEARS about the collision-detection glitch with the horsey. The "clipping-thru-pieces" bug has been abused to death and the lazy devs refuse to fix it. Don't support this awful behaviour and boycott this company.
@joanofarc1338
@joanofarc1338 Год назад
I am an American rodeo cowboy, an experienced rider, but not a jouster. I do have a friend who does joust, and he recently let me try riding with only the two types of cuirasses he owns. One was a solid breast plate and back plate. The other had the breastplate and plackart combination, just like y’all’s. My friend and I are virtually the same size and weight, so even he felt that both of his cuirasses fit me. I’m here to tell y’all that I did not like the solid breast plate at all. I dismounted immediately. I felt that if I got bucked off my horse I had a real good chance of a severe neck or hip injury. The other breastplate and plackart armour was very comfortable with no chance of injuring me. I even roped with it on. Do y’all agree with what I experienced? I’ve always been fascinated with what seems to me to be the similarities of medieval knightly horsemanship and the American western style of riding. Both ride one handed, control our horses by neck reining and legs and spurs. We tend to ride a little more with straight legs and long stirrups, and at times stand in the saddle. We don’t swing a sword, but we sure swing a rope. The saddles look pretty similar in design and function. I sat in a medieval war saddle years ago and thought if it had a saddle horn I could rope cattle with it. Maybe I’m way off, what do y’all think? Joan of Arc stands some explanation. St. Joan is the Patron Saint of soldiers, I honor her because she got me through some tough spots in Iraq.
@ZacharyEvans
@ZacharyEvans Год назад
I am learning to ride western at the moment and there are some clear similarities. I'm really enjoying it. Some styles of medieval saddles are especially similar to western saddles. As for the cuirass, the fitting on a one piece breastplate is much more important than on a split one because there is no adjustment. I assume the one you tried probably fitted in a rough way, but not completely. I'm glad you dismounted: my worst injuries have come through ill fitting equipment.
@joanofarc1338
@joanofarc1338 Год назад
Hey! Thanks for getting back to me. Riding Western! Never worry how ya look, worry about being safe. I saddle up my horses like my life depends on it….because it does. Craig Cameron, Texas cowboy and TV riding instructor said it best when it comes to cowboy Western horsemanship….”just keep one leg on each side of the horse and you’ll be alright”.
@ZacharyEvans
@ZacharyEvans Год назад
@@joanofarc1338 my instructor always said "sky, rider, horse, ground, and try to keep it in that order."
@Klomster88
@Klomster88 Год назад
This reminds me of european and japanese martial arts differences. There are a lot of details that differ, many would argue it makes the styles vastly different and ooh aah not similar at all. But in the end, there are certain ways to move the body optimally to swing sharpened metal bars to whack people with them. Both cultures arrived at mostly the same solution, since it's the most anatomically efficient way to produce strength with sword blows and the like. Hence there are things that are identical. So with the horse riding. Since both knights and cowboys need to control their horses with one hand, both do complex riding, both want upper body mobility and thus "stand" in the saddle. There are similarities. Because of course there is, you're trying to ride a horse practically. Both cultures figured it out. Both optimized and got fitting tools for the job. This is fascinating in a way. In the same way that basically all cultures figured out the bow at some point. Since its the most practical and simple way to throw sharp sticks at things.
@jakflasdick
@jakflasdick 10 месяцев назад
fascinating read, thanks for sharing
@Greenfeld13
@Greenfeld13 Год назад
Zac is such a wonderful guest, would love to see him appear more! Definitely going to sub to his channel, absolutely love his input and observations. Awesome!!!!
@ZacharyEvans
@ZacharyEvans Год назад
Thanks!
@elsalaiho1699
@elsalaiho1699 9 месяцев назад
I'm not really involved in reenactor circles and all, but I draw fantasy stuff every once in a while, and these types of deep dives into armor are really useful to me just because they point the way armor works out to me in ways i probably could never piece together just from pictures! Like, even with picture references, drawing plate armor (let alone trying to come up with an interesting but at least marginally plausible design for a given character's armor, rather than merely copying the first reference picture you happen to find) is incredibly hard if you can't tell how the different pieces are supposed to interact with each other, so seeing you go through it piece by piece and explain it is so useful as a reference because they help me actually think about and understand the functionality and what a certain piece needs to be able to do when I'm drawing. Thank you!
@DH-xw6jp
@DH-xw6jp Год назад
I'm a sucker for flutes and scallops, so i have to say Zach's armor wins in the looks department, hands down. But i wish we had gotten to see you put on your bevor and helmet, to compare the benefits of the additional articulation that you were talking about.
Год назад
I really, really, really love how those armours fit slim people. This brings back to the historical imagery of armours we have, and it feel more accurate, but also it is elegant and feels very light and transpires speed and dexterity.
@thegeneral123
@thegeneral123 Год назад
There are so many more useful things I should be doing in my life. I'll never get a set of plate, I'll never encounter one outside of a museum or shop. The knowledge I'm gaining here will be completely useless to me in every sense of the word. Yet here I am, with a coffee settled down to enjoy an hour and 9 mins, 25 seconds of content after work.
@6Vlad6Tepes6
@6Vlad6Tepes6 Год назад
Then this comment was pointless...
@DoctyrEvil
@DoctyrEvil Год назад
You guys are REALLY serious about Halloween.
@axlefoxe
@axlefoxe Год назад
Speaking from experience in modern armor, and on the subject of what armor you keep on or ditch, it's a constant conversation between what you're doing and how fast you can deploy. I did a lot of scout work, so I'd be deep in the field, but a small 4 man team with rifles isn't going to do much offensively, so I'd be operating radios, optics writing gear etc. But then would transition to gunfighting or running jumping and climbing without warning. I had 2 pairs of gloves over a couple years and the difference was one had a large built in loop on the wrists and the other didn't. The ones with the loops were superior, I could put a clip on my armor and when I needed my finger tips, I'd hang them on my chest. If I needed to move suddenly I could very quickly jam my hands into my gloves and have them on in moments. The other pair when they came off went into a pocket and didn't come out unless I had a moments to put down my rifle and fish them out. As far as pieces of gloves, helmet shoulders etc, I have to believe this same convenience of deployment principle applies.
@midshipman8654
@midshipman8654 Год назад
I would be interested in videos on 16th century armor as the “culmination” in armor design. Also, some reasons on why you guys prefer going for 15th century armor.
@AspiringKnight
@AspiringKnight Год назад
Great comparison with the armor side by side! I've found I CAN in fact, put on all my armor (based on this "frankenarmor", MET museum, Accession Number: 29.150.7). It can be awkward armoring solo, so if I'm doing it for the public, I'll use an assistant. Here's the trick:Point your arms to your arming doublet FIRST. Then don that doublet. Point the pauldrons to the leather shoulder straps on the cuirass. Alternatively I know in the 16th c. some people pointed or pinned the pauldrons to the gorget. FWIW, I have a skirt and voiders, but rarely wear them. My skirt needs some adjustments and the voiders are bulky and difficult to point. (A pair of sleeves is much easier.)
@AmarothEng
@AmarothEng Год назад
Re the idea of "Italian" vs "German" armor. It really reminds me of tanks. Sometimes people think there are "american" or "western" tanks and then there are "russian/soviet" or "eastern" tanks. Yes, those two groups are easily reconginzed, famous and very different from each other. But. The reality is that there are many countries, like France, Germany, the UK... which build their own vehicles, and those vehicles tend to be somewhere in between the spectrum, taking inspirations from each other and making different compromises, depending on what that country at that time prefers. Any design is inherently compromised and brings its own pros and cons, and you can easily find European vehicles which have some inspriration in the western ones, some in the eastern ones, and doing some things in their own, unique way as well. It's easy to believe medieval armor in individual countries was no different, and it should be probably viewed and studied as its own thing, unless it's clearly just an unmodified import from elsewhere.
@bobrobinson1576
@bobrobinson1576 Год назад
Zach's gauntlets are made for Vulcans. Live long and prosper!🖖
@Jim58223
@Jim58223 Год назад
Nice, more armour videos as promised.
@iDEATH
@iDEATH Год назад
Sometimes I miss my late teens to early 20s, when I was invincible and invulnerable (or at least thought I was), but mostly I just wonder how I managed to survive them. And I never went to war!
@user-tv4lz5ie5u
@user-tv4lz5ie5u Год назад
Same here, the only difference being I miss them all the time.
@midshipman8654
@midshipman8654 Год назад
I like the two finger glove-mitton. it seems like a nice compromise design between protection and dexterity. even in the fingers are hit, I think having the structure of two fingers in one sleve massively decreases the likelyhood of extreme damage as force from potential hits are distributed over a larger area. though it does seem harder to get off and on.
@Filip_Agrippa
@Filip_Agrippa Год назад
Italian or German? Well, Matt obviously has an Orc armour because of his huge pauldrons and Zac has a Human armour, because his spaulders are smaller. Edit: Ok, I'm going back to playing World of Warcraft after the video ends, because I clearly can't stop thinking about it...again. xD
@ricebrown1
@ricebrown1 Год назад
Medieval Cinematic Universe strikes again!
@samuelbhend2521
@samuelbhend2521 Год назад
"Damn it! canned Food again!?" ~ Hungry Lion during the Crusades, sneaking upon a Knight sleeping under a Tree That's the only Knight joke I know and always comes to my mind when I see Armour😑🙄
@rubberdc
@rubberdc Год назад
Fantastic suits of armour guys , I really enjoyed watching this .
@Kernwadi
@Kernwadi Год назад
A wise man once said; “the smaller the breasts, the closer you are to their hearts!” A wiser man once said; “bigger breasts are the expansion of the heart!” And the wisest man once said; “you must cherish the entire woman, as she’s the only doorway to her heart!”
@incitatusrecordings473
@incitatusrecordings473 Год назад
30:57 I wonder what both knights would be talking about while armoring each other before going into battle....did they pray? or just boosted the morale of each other before going to war? that scene of a knight helping another knight was probrably very strong to the other soldiers going to battle as one big team.
@lo95cdex
@lo95cdex Год назад
Great video, on the subject of arming doublets how heavy does the armour get after a while with low padding? I still use a moderatly thick gambeson under my armour for reenactment and since I'm the only one in the group with a full harness I tend to be used to show it all day long. Overheating aside I find that the full harness gets quite heavy and squashes the padding but with my current level I never get sore. Contrast to my 17th century half harness where I use just a buff coat and a shirt after only the battle I'm sore. Keep in mind that the 17th was made on me but following the regular foot soldier standard while the 15th one was tecnically off the shelf and still falls better on the body.
@michaelpettersson4919
@michaelpettersson4919 Год назад
Roleplaying games never seem to take thease things in account. It's armour, you can wear it right of the bat.
@sd3457
@sd3457 Год назад
Suddenly I'm reminded of playing cricket in PE at school where we were only given a pad for our front leg.
@matthewvelo
@matthewvelo Год назад
Rather curious about the bike wheel in the bottom right. Italian, German, French or English? Classical period or modern reproduction? Any penetrations? Does it have a specific context?
@DaDudeb
@DaDudeb Год назад
It must be super cool to go on a halloween party in full plate armor :D
@sirwi11iam
@sirwi11iam Год назад
I think the Sallet is the most badass of all the helmets. Would definitely be my choice.
@ryankolick4117
@ryankolick4117 Год назад
Who makes your arming Coates?
@aaxnox
@aaxnox Год назад
I would actually really like to see a video on where 16th century armor ended up going. It'd also be fun to hear why you don't like it as much as 15th century stuff.
@vivianevans8323
@vivianevans8323 Год назад
Thanks, that was hugely interesting, both the contrasts and similarities of those two armours. One niggle: lovely music, but I'd have loved to hear what you ere saying to each other while helping to get all those pointes laced up ...
@ZacharyEvans
@ZacharyEvans Год назад
I don't think the sound would have worked. You'll notice Matt had to pick up his mic between shots.
@scholagladiatoria
@scholagladiatoria Год назад
Thanks! I can assure you that there was nothing useful or interesting in that chat, we were literally just talking about boring everyday (non-armour) stuff :-)
@vivianevans8323
@vivianevans8323 Год назад
@@ZacharyEvans That's a pity - it would have been entertaining and instructive.
@vivianevans8323
@vivianevans8323 Год назад
@@scholagladiatoria Aww - no cursing about stiff pointes, or 'this is tied too tight'? Just boring stuff like who did well at the last footie game? Awwww ....
@gb9884
@gb9884 Год назад
Had a double take when I read the title I thought it said: "How medieval knights cross dressed."
@SandraOrtmann1976
@SandraOrtmann1976 Год назад
Aah, Matt's trainers and moder watch hurt the eyes a little bit. Otherwise, fantastic video. For that aspect of the usability of gauntlets it would be really great how destriers of that time were actually ridden. As much as there were different technical solutions for armour, there might be equally different riding methods all over Europe...also affecting the setup of armor.
@brittakriep2938
@brittakriep2938 Год назад
Oh , a Knight or Man at Arms of 16th century could have owned first pocket watches.
@bajasmancer
@bajasmancer Год назад
Never realised that was what Point Break was about... :)
@incitatusrecordings473
@incitatusrecordings473 Год назад
I want a hat like that! good video man...nice armor!
@Clint52279
@Clint52279 Год назад
Dress up with friends, when you're an adult, involves swords and armor!
@ozymandiascakehole3586
@ozymandiascakehole3586 9 месяцев назад
i would rather watch knights get undressed 😉
@vedymin1
@vedymin1 Год назад
Hmm...i asked knyght errant long time ago if besegewes could be on the back and apparently now the consensus has changed that they could :)
@ZacharyEvans
@ZacharyEvans Год назад
They usually appear on the front but in the late 15th century there is some art that suggests they can go on the back too.
@scholagladiatoria
@scholagladiatoria Год назад
Yeah they certainly appear on the back in various late-15th century images, but they are usually smaller than the front ones.
@eded9157
@eded9157 Год назад
So, how much time you suppose to wear the full armor on campaign? All day till night? Only on action for some hours? Cause, how do you pee or take a dump?
@BruderLoras
@BruderLoras Год назад
Peeing is not too hard. Hitch up the mail skirt, the hose has a flap at the front that allows for easy access. You're out of luck if you want to take a dump though, so you'd better take care of that before armoring up.
@kilianortmann9979
@kilianortmann9979 Год назад
With help from your battle buddy.
@WhackyRavenLand
@WhackyRavenLand Год назад
I'd like to know where both of you got your armours made and how much these kinds of armours cost. I'm asking as someone who's always been interested in getting my own armour at some point.
@plumcrazypreston2797
@plumcrazypreston2797 Год назад
What are some of the problems of medieval armor worn by knights and soldiers of the period? Utilizing the latrine while so clad like a Lego tin can. How hard would it have been to take a crap or a whizz in such quaint battle attire?
@myparceltape1169
@myparceltape1169 Год назад
There is always the danger of rust, although you could make sure the armour is appropriately coloured to begin with.
@voster77hh
@voster77hh Год назад
What is the weight difference and steel thickness difference between your two kits?
@jaimieoxford8212
@jaimieoxford8212 Год назад
So does Darth Vader wear a sallet and a bevor ?
@scholagladiatoria
@scholagladiatoria Год назад
Yes.
@JosefGustovc
@JosefGustovc Год назад
Your caveats are very much appreciated, Matt. Yours, Augusto.
@scholagladiatoria
@scholagladiatoria Год назад
Actually watching this back, I wish I had spoken more about Flemish armour, which I am increasingly thinking is an important and prevalent part of the 15th century perspective. Theoretically, I think both Zac and my harnesses could fit into a Flemish context and so many painters/artists working all over Europe at this time were Flemish, not to mention all the armour being made in Flanders.
@JosefGustovc
@JosefGustovc Год назад
@@scholagladiatoria Yes, they could definitely pass for Flemish as well. It wolud be really cool if you did a quick video on the "other" styles of armour of the XVth century. So Spanish, French, Portugese, English, German, Swiss, etc... Just to show that they exist in the first place. Just showing a couple of effigies and miniatures for each one, nothing too fancy.
@scholagladiatoria
@scholagladiatoria Год назад
Great idea!
@charlieb4604
@charlieb4604 Год назад
I've always wondered about the idea of some armour being much better suited for either foot or mounted combat. If the armour is geared towards foot combat, does it really mess up your ability to ride, let alone fight on horseback? - If you are say an English man-at-arms in the WOTR, on the march and heading towards a major battle.... You're intending to fight on foot, but are on horseback currently. Does this mean you CANNOT wear your foot-combat armour on horseback, or at least cannot wear certain parts of it whilst mounted? And what about if you need to mount up during the battle for various reasons, including having to flee for your life.... If you are wearing foot-combat armour are you screwed? Do you have to shed parts of the armour before you can mount your horse? - If you're a European knight with the full Italian harness geared towards cavalry combat... Expecting to fight from horseback... But then are in a situation where you're forced to fight on foot.... Do you just make do with your usual armour? Or do you reluctantly lighten it and shed parts of it so you can fight more effectively on foot?
@SuperFunkmachine
@SuperFunkmachine Год назад
People with the choice could change parts out, the more focused an armours was on a thing the more likey its user had other options, i.e. the choice of visors, gauntlets, helmets an so on. 1600's armour often have detachable tassets with a choice lengths and complete removal. (unless your a dirty foot slogger then there riveted on so you don't lose them.) English Foot arm has thing's like fully enclosed upper legs that make good rideing hard. The Italian harness has detachable parts like the extra shoulder guard.
@bobar57
@bobar57 Год назад
Play in reverse for niche only fans variant
@andreweden9405
@andreweden9405 Год назад
Zac in his armor provides a glimpse of what an actual 15th century knight might look like in a way that few other people could. He has that Auschwitz-type physique that was probably typical for the average male of the period.
@ZacharyEvans
@ZacharyEvans Год назад
Matt and I were talking about how our modern idea of average size is very different to most of history. It's very difficult to even find a ww1 or ww2 uniform that meets our idea of average weight. If I were to do a research paper I would love to look into what the size of historical armours tells us about the average size of our ancestors
@andreweden9405
@andreweden9405 Год назад
@@ZacharyEvans , With a few exceptions here and there, it seems like most people simply didn't have the opportunity to become fat in that period. In the surviving artwork, this is reflected not only in depictions of men in full armor, but also men in civilian dress, as well as men in nothing (such as the "naked" souls being sorted out in the Last Judgement by Memling). By today's standards, we would've considered the vast majority of Late Medieval people to be very thin. So, if the artwork is anything to go by, you are about the most visually convincing knightly reenactor I have ever seen! Your armor is absolutely gorgeous, and it fits you very well.
@tanegurnick5071
@tanegurnick5071 Год назад
You guys are so slim, if I had a maori/polynesian body frame, would they have typical armor to cater for this or are they all custom made
@kilianortmann9979
@kilianortmann9979 Год назад
You might want to look at the Armour made for King Henry VIII later in his life. He became quite chunky and his bespoke Armour reflects that, while keeping true to the typical style of its time. Edit: changed XIII for VIII, my Latin numerals were failing me.
@Kuhmuhnistische_Partei
@Kuhmuhnistische_Partei Год назад
More expansive armor was basically always custom-made. When it comes to the cheaper import armor that was bought in bulk by cities for example or by noblemen to equip their closest fighters those were not custom-made, obviously, but probably designed in a way that made it easier to adjust them for different sizes.
@ioanwade3141
@ioanwade3141 Год назад
@@kilianortmann9979 Henry VIII not XIII! Henry VIII was over 6ft and very slim in his early years but in his later years, he became very corpulent. Armour is definitely custom made to the individual.
@SuperFunkmachine
@SuperFunkmachine Год назад
You'd have the large size armour if it came off the peg. Its quite common to see displays where the smallest armour is set up next to the largest.
@OBXDewey
@OBXDewey 11 месяцев назад
This video as well as others are great. This reminds me a lot of experimental archaeology. Y'all are probably encountering things the knights did back then that worked and didn't work and came up with solutions the same way. I can see how reenacting is a very valuable thing.
@daemonharper3928
@daemonharper3928 Год назад
Very interesting - I know nothing about armour but it's a riveting subject.
@marcelosilveira2276
@marcelosilveira2276 Год назад
4:35 "helmet is the last thing(...)" uh... I usually put my helmet before the gloves, as the later restrict my hands movement, stopping me from closing the helmet
@MyFriendsAreElectric
@MyFriendsAreElectric Год назад
I think what's really interesting to me is learning how many armoured knights weren't all that armoured, and those that were might have had gaps from a bad fitting. Arrows versus armour part 3! With a series of archers, exactly how exposed is a guy with armour gaps?! :p
@beebacheeba
@beebacheeba Год назад
Matt, do you have any suggestions about where to purchase armor or good armorers to purchase armor from? Currently there is a counterfeit ring out of India going on where they show pictures of great armor and then send you garbage when you buy from them, regardless of price! Hard to tell who is actually advertising their armor anymore or who is just showing someone else's pics and sending garbage. Any suggestions?
@generalbismark7163
@generalbismark7163 Год назад
I wonder how many different options various knights would have. Today I am to be part of a Calvary charge on goes the mitten. Tomorrow I defend the castle and will be on foot on goes gauntlet type 2. Next week there is the joust and that gets the practically solid left arm. The sword is after and that gets type 3 gauntlet etc etc etc. Not just a matter of this on or off today but today I need this shoulder not that one.
@cwmyr
@cwmyr Год назад
14:00 We do have Duerers rider from 1495. 21:00 also consider the Tonlet armours in battle use by Polish dismounted men-at-arms at the battle of Orsza.
@Brzeuczydlak
@Brzeuczydlak Год назад
Just the boys playing dress up with skirts and leggings in the garage, absolute cuteness
@tilllodemann6913
@tilllodemann6913 Год назад
Hey guys. Thanks for the interesting video. Well done! But I want to say you underestimate the amount of armour variability that went on in the first half of the 15th century. Floating couters were around in German armours quite early, at least in the 1410-20ies. Close helmet like constructions are featured in some Kastenbrust armours like the Lorcher Kreuztragung. The time between the battle of Tannenberg and the end of the of the hussite wars was a time of intense innovation and cross pollination, especially in Germany.
@TodayLifeIsGoood
@TodayLifeIsGoood Год назад
24:59 "Kastenbrust" means "Box Chest" (because it looks fairly boxy^^)
@benjaminwei284
@benjaminwei284 Месяц назад
It is "Italy" and "Germany" indeed! Just not for the purpose of an all-in-one national state. Moreover Germany in the middle ages has been more of an concluded state than nowadays. To understand this you must´nt mix up the term "Germany" with the Federal Republic of Germany (FDR). The middle-ages "Germany" was much more represented by the Reich, covering most of the german nation as an ethnic unity, than the modern Germany is by the FDR nowadays. E. g. Luxemburg, Netherlands, Austria, everything that is not covered by the FDR but by the middle ages Reich, is clearly (still) part of Germany in its national (not political) sense. The idea of a nation as a political entity is an idea, as modern as it is wrong. Therefor absolutely correct to speak from Germany and Italy as entities where the referring language as the main aspect of ethno-cultural identity was / is spoken.
@marabu235
@marabu235 Месяц назад
Enjoyed it so much. I am a recent subscriber. Hello from Moscow. And you two are such medieval nerds, coming from a 44 year old guy who spent an hour on your video. You have a great channel, really enjoying it. Thank you very much. Cheers.
@brothersliutgeryitzchakjea7889
Great video hope you see both of you do similar with the new armors once at hand. As for the bevor strap ending up with the closed helmet I believe that to be the case as well, the trouble is sorting the pairing. Particularly when looking through continental sources you see them paired with simple infantry helmet to bascinets etc. I believe the earliest example the comes to mind is a French bascinet/closed helmet from BL Royal 20 B XX Le Livre et le vraye hystoire du bon roy Alixandre. So at latest 1425.
@mistercroc9407
@mistercroc9407 Год назад
Great video, super interesting.
@lafleched
@lafleched 22 дня назад
Very curious where people are finding arming doublets that aren’t padded up like down jackets.
@andrewgillis3073
@andrewgillis3073 Год назад
Interestingly, the phrase ‘stretching a point’ comes from the fact that if a point is tied too tightly, the armor chaff it and it might break.
@benjaminodonnell258
@benjaminodonnell258 Год назад
Dumb question: Why not wear a full mail shirt/hauberk/haubergine underneath the breastplate, etc?
@ZacharyEvans
@ZacharyEvans Год назад
It was done, but it gets very heavy and uncomfortable.
@benjaminodonnell258
@benjaminodonnell258 Год назад
@@ZacharyEvans Interesting - how does it compare with the way Matt wears a hauberk under his brigandine? Also, was there ever a kind of arming doublet that had "all but the chest, back and stomach" mail sewn in or otherwise integrated?
@dougmorrow746
@dougmorrow746 Год назад
I'd be fascinated with your thoughts on Mongolian armor. Were they so successful simply because of their numbers, or was their armor an added benefit? Excellent video.
@garywebster3044
@garywebster3044 Год назад
Hordes of Mongols overwhelming enemies with sheer numbers is complete fantasy. The Mongols success had absolutely nothing to do with numbers and everything to do with being highly disciplined ferocious warriors led by incredibly gifted generals.
@Anttimation
@Anttimation Год назад
What is the name of the music track?
@JorgeVazquez-rt4mc
@JorgeVazquez-rt4mc 10 дней назад
Excellent and wonderful, the music that appears when they are putting on the armor, what is it called?
@lafleched
@lafleched 26 дней назад
Wondering how voiders would interact with the mail collar. Seems like they might overlap depending on the design.
@knutzzl
@knutzzl Год назад
Different sabatons are constructed differently. For cavalierly the plates hinge on rivets along the edge. And for fighting on foot the articulation comes from the internal leather. (Witch doesn't jam up with a bit of mud) Spolders cover only the top of the arm and pauldrons cover the shoulder and the gap to the cuirass. (Draw a line from the armpit up) The big advantage Mat has in regards to the lance gap under his right arm are the pin's holding the outer plates on the shoulder. You can take the small plate off and put a bigger one on to match the left (same thing in reflection) The besagew are not just to cover the gap. They work very well in helping to redirect a blow. As they hang somewhat lose an incoming attack tilt's the plate and allows the weapon to slide off away from the body (along other bits of armour)
@midshipman8654
@midshipman8654 Год назад
I really enjoy this video and the piece by piece explanation of the armor.
@MarcRitzMD
@MarcRitzMD Год назад
Man, I wish I could borrow the services of someone as knowledgeable as you too design the best possible armor for an archer one day
@erikkarlsson861
@erikkarlsson861 Год назад
Novice : No german armour is better that italian cuz muh flutes! Expert : English armour anyone? Armour-weeb : * hugging the burgundian armour pillow *
@cowis52
@cowis52 Год назад
loved this video
@Serial765
@Serial765 Месяц назад
Could you Take the armor off like a jacket ("unzip" the middle and take of arm by arm) And leave it attached to the doublet?
@РоманБекиров-с4м
But Zack has got hair, quite conveniently Damn, I'm rolling in my bed beating the shit out of my room's wall🤣🤣🤣
@Exarsere
@Exarsere Год назад
Me, pausing the video: Anatomy of Armour on MyArmour, eh? Sounds like a good tip! Better Bookmark. Me, unpauses the video: Oh
@colbunkmust
@colbunkmust Год назад
@26:18 well, technically Prussia didn't come into being until after the Treaty of Wurms in the 16th century and the conversion of the Grand Master of the Teutonic Order to Lutheranism.
@LaneLibra
@LaneLibra Год назад
This video ruled so hard i cant even tell you... Can i ask Matt, how come you didnt opt for an English style armor? You being... ever so English and all?
@v1e1r1g1e1
@v1e1r1g1e1 Год назад
But WHY do you have to make your armour SO complicated? Because.... German.
@JafuetTheSame
@JafuetTheSame Год назад
26:18 oh, prussia had nothing to do with germany basically until 1618/1701...but ppl keep forgetting that italy and germany were geographic terms long before they were political terms
@rizalsuhaimi3282
@rizalsuhaimi3282 9 месяцев назад
Superb amount of knowledge being shared here. My question is: Is it common for medieval soldiers to only wear gambesons with little to know plate armor on top?
@robertgross1655
@robertgross1655 Год назад
🎩Hi think I would much prefer to be a troubadour especially as I’m very small but can also play flutes. And you big guys need the oomph to go in. Oh one thing you must not forget is the water carriers. Without them we would be blah
@robertwinters7487
@robertwinters7487 Год назад
Historically, do we see a lot of blueing of plate armor in the 15th century? I really want to get rid of the 'shiny new plate' look, but I wasn't able to find much information about historically patinas on armor (other than rust and buff, rust and buff).
@sh4969
@sh4969 Год назад
New combat suits of Armour are back again once more , the Russian Ratnik Combat suit to be used in Ukraine by Russian soldiers each suit will cost £16.5 million.
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