Hi gang! Yes... this is a reupload. There was part of the original video I wasn't happy with because of a mistake in my research, so I've tweaked it and posted it again. Enjoy!
It takes a great person to admit their mistakes, and even more so to rerecord and post rather than just add a little comment on the original. Well done
I did one track day so far on my RSV4. It was one of the most physically intense things I've done. I was absolutely wasted at the end of the day. I actually left early because I knew I was too fatigued and didn't want to crash. And I wasn't doing anything close to what the GP riders do. It blows my mind how these guys are able to do a full race at their level.
Same, I had an R1 that had been tuned and raced at the Isle of Man TT. I'd been riding it for a year or so and took it out on a track day, after 7-8 laps I had to go back to the pits. For me it was a little bit more mental than physical, the approach speeds into a corner that you have , on a bike that can accelerate so quickly and stop so f'n fast was more than my brain could accept at the time. And that is nothing like MotoGP.
Congratulations on your first track day brother! It really is incredibly physically strenuous, more so than most people realize. I wear a heart monitor when I ride and I routinely go into the 180s during a session and have even gone as high as 200bpm.
I used to race superbikes and after a 6 hour endurance race I couldn't lift my leg up to step up on the curb, the next morning, my legs would hurt so bad. But crazy fun. 😊
I knew Moto GP was wild, but having a breakdown like this really hammers home that these people *are* athletes. Just since I started taking my riding more seriously last year, I've had to increase my fitness to be more effective. Before the season started this year, I was doing squats and lunges with my kid on my back in preparation. I honestly don't know any other women who can rep 10 squats with a 60lb child attached, but it means my body actually has the capability to do the things I tell it to do. Now that I'm trying out more advanced techniques, I notice the difference!
Every year, in every sport from skate boards to football to motorcycle racing to BMX to every olympic sport and all the newer ones, we see human beings doing things that are more and more utterly unimaginable. Is there a limit? Are we seeing some kind of evolution occuring in a very short time? Of course the equipment gets better, but...the humans using it are simlpy doing stuff no one dreamed of 30 years ago. It is phenomenal.
yes, evilution....notice lots of young women have wide set eyes like oprah winfrie fish eyes...notice, and young people are more beautiful than in just 40 years ago, look the photos from the cowboy days, the women were ugly and dude looked like a lady!!🎉🎉😂
I would say it is a sort of mental evolution, it helps immensely, while trying something new, to know that it is possible. So ever new generation profits from past athletes and thus are able to push the skill sealing even higher.
Mate, i love the car scene too and i was a huge btcc fan in the super touring era but bike racing is something else. I watch way more bike racing than car racing today. The risk these guys take keeps you on edge of seat whole race. MotoGP is probably rhe dullest variant for this and thats saying something. Watch some British superbikes if you want to see some brutal racing. Specifically as an introduction check out last seasons finale at brands hatch. The title was won by half a point and riders swapping positions all race. Its insane. So many overtakes and epic moments, you just cant beat it
I did a few track days on my Monster 1200S. It was an amazing experience, and holy fook, it was exhausting. I enjoyed it so much I bought a Daytona 675R track bike. Even the smaller bike is bloody exhausting. The next day Im like a vegetable at home. Anyone that thinks riding a bike on the limit is not a physically demanding sport, have absolutely no idea what they are talking about
I absolutely appreciate how you repeatedly emphasized that these are THE VERY BEST riders out there, and not pull some stupid nonsense like, "learn from MotoGP riders to improve your track day performance", or "how to become a better rider by incorporating these techniques."
I recently raced for the first time and used the exhale, head drop at exit to push the bike away to get that extra bit of drive for lining up a pass into T1. Of course I am nowhere near a pro rider and could probably have just pinned the throttle and come out fine but the mental comfort of the fact that the rear has a bit of a more fighting chance since its on the fatter part was worth it. Have learnt so much from your channel over the years, thank you for continuing to make great content!
Awesome video! I knew they were fit, but adding some numbers to it really helps me get a sense of how hard they are working. This is truly an extreme sport. Crazy levels of skill to ride the bike in the first place (smoothly, with the power) but it seems like the MotoGP class just cranks the forces up and up and up. I can't begin to imagine what it feels like to pop your chest up into a 320kph wind while also trying not to pull a stoppie, and also balance that against 2x your body weight going into your arms while you try to squeeze a bike with one leg. And then to somehow smoothly transition to 45+deg of lean and touch your elbow to the ground. Aliens indeed.
interesting.. that wouldn't occur to me; seems like a leg hanging out wouldn't really do much to keep me out of a particular line; I'd just push it out of my way, LOL
That's precisely what it is, along with an extra air catcher for braking. It means if you go in wide for a better exit, you can block anyone sneaking up the inside.
You explained every detail of these amazing techniques so well! My respect for these riders is growing. I was a Enduro racer and while doing Enduro racing I had to get my physical fitness to the highest level I ever had. But compared to which forces these guys experience thia was a walk in the park!
I’m no Rossi. I’m 36 and ride a ‘18 SV650. When I think I’m going low and looking cool in a corner, I later get home and see I’ve got nearly an inch on each side of the rear tire. It’s got sticky tires I put on, but I still can’t bring myself to extract that much performance on the street. I really wish there was a track near me. I’m not trying to low side or high side on a public road so I play it safe with lean angle. I’m not ashamed of my “chicken strips”. The extra tire is there in case of an emergency.
Loved the video, I’m not a sport bike rider, a cruiser bike owner. But, I love to watch superbike races. Really enjoyed your explanation of body position with racers. It gives better understanding when you watch races. I must admit I miss the old races where it seemed more effortless for racers to glide thru corners at high speeds. My age has watched many changes in all forms of bike racing and riding. Thanks for your work.
Thankyou for the great, clear, concise explanation of what the riders are dealing with when cornering as amazingly as they now do! And entire physical demand! As someone who enjoys watching, a whole nother level of appreciation for them all! 😊🧡🏍
Thank you for your channel. It is one of the best channels I now. It helps me so much developing my riding on the track, to be a better rider and to understand what I am doing, and what I have to do to become better. Thank you so much for your work, I love your channel.
Cracking video - i wonder how much the headwind helps the rider with braking forces. Obviously the data we have is from accelerometers on the bike, the parachute effect must reduce what the rider deals with... but by how much?
The extreme body position hanging off in the corner's helps stall the air and increase air pressure over the high side of the bike creating more down force. Combined with the updated side aero on the bikes, this is very efficient. We never really thought aero would be effective in turns to the degree it is today. Very impressive stuff.
When I did sprint races with CCS, I was always glad it was over after 8 laps. You have to be in incredible shape to ride your bike hard for damn near an hour, even if you're a much less talented amateur racer like I was.
I have always speculated that if you can hang further off the bike, you can keep the bike more upright and on a potentially larger tire patch for better grip and stability. Putting that into practice takes a toll on the core muscles and lots of repetition to get consistent, I'm assuming.
Mind you that Brad Binder is one of the riders who likes to dangle their leg the least (as it's visible at 4:30, where, unlike almost everyone else, he keeps his foot on the peg). It'd be interesting to hear why some riders dangle the leg more than others
great video. i cant believe how many low side saves we see now because of how far they are off the bike in the corners, great reactions and strength to push the bike back onto the tyre.
Shoot. That don't look hard. But seriously, I had no idea - and still have no idea - what goes into this kind of racing. Very impressive. And very impressive athletes.
Should add that one of the main reasons we're seeing sharper more V-shaped lines when cornering is because of V4 engines. When you look at the cornering lines of yamaha riders vs ducati riders, yamaha riders take more sweeping turns whereas ducati riders take sharper turns, due to the physics of each bikes design.
I’ve said this since 1997, people use to think I was doing to much on the bike on highways, with so many cars are becoming fast as bikes, we have no choice to be more physically safe! I learned from MotoGP (watching techniques)…
You did like the michelin 2ct a few years ago, did you find any you liking better, what is your top 3 and does the 2ct still up in the top of the better ones? By the way, thank you for the videos, watching about 10 and writing the most importent things down on a paper and bring it to the learning courses!
I may be wrong on this, but their tire size is still 16.5 making the bike that much closer to the ground. Also way back in the 90s when I was over in the EU testing tires for moto2 "250cc" bikes the motogp bikes guys I talked to said on exit the rear tire never totally hooks up, ,meaning it's spinning up and sliding out of the corner. Just as the Pic you showed or Casy sliding pre apex to square off the corner. With riding aids today Im not sure if that's really thing now. If someone knows please speak up. Also their transmissions are different now when shifting it takes very little effort to go from say 2nd to 3rd etc. With riding aids they also can just,ram the corner, break as late and as hard as possible, lean the bike , then pin the throttle. In my day that would have gotten you thrown off the high side. So with all, that said , I don't think they care as much because they know the computer will take care of the exist. Frankly I would be in favor with some of the sporting regs being changed so we can see motor talented riders float to then top.
I used all of these techniques to beat 9 time Canadian national champion Steve Dick, and American champion Gary Nixon, (except the leg dangle) Spot on.
I think a fundamental mistake of analysis happens at 1:45. Unless I'm mistaken, the purported forces which are stated fail to factor the opposing and thus counteracting force of wind resistance upon the rider's upper body. To what degree that occurs varies, but it is a primary factor involved in order to derive the actual net forces experienced by the rider. It is still very physically and mentally demanding, but the numbers stated in this video are probably not humanly possible, if they were accurate.
finally. people always misunderstand leaning vs hanging off the bike, they think it's the same thing but it's actually opposite 1. so they can accelerate faster out of corner while keeping the bike more upright while body hang offs the bike 2. To get the bike to turn more when attacking a corner. summary, you hang off the bike more so you can lean less to turn the bike, especially good when exiting. 7:53 is an example. enea hangs so far off.
The riders couldn’t do 1/2 this stuff, if the bikes didn’t have all the new aero pkg crap on them. In the MGP world, they are going through the tech explosion of next level handling , as did F1 & WRC did not too long ago. It’s interesting how some tech guys find new ways to go ‘ faster ‘.
Spectators when they come to watch this kind of race and they don't realize how physical it is and demanding with very good techniques it's getting better and better racing these guys are great racers 🏁
As compared to old school riders the electronics are now controlling wheel spin, anti wheely sensors and ABS sensors where in the old days the rider had to use shifting of bodyweight forward and rearward to control those aspects and now the riders do not. Modern day riders would be sending themselves to the moon from high sides if they got on a vintage bike with no computers controlling the bike for them. The riders from before computer control days were actually much more skilled riders than the modern day riders. At one time the rider was the biggest difference in winning or not where as now the guy with the lap top in the pits is probably the most important guy on the team.
I checked a rear wheel spokes on a service. Same as everybody else in the shop. Hot it and listen for the ring. Bad idea. Guy came back with the wheel wobbling like a potatoe chip. Shop assistant foreman ripped all of us for checking that way. This happened after guy took 700 mile trip to VA. Probably doing burnouts which are bound to loosen spokes.
About fitness. John McGuinness is the best example. Never trained. Beer and cigarette for breakfast. Sits 3rd in the all-time win list of the Isle of Man TT.
very interesting video, however, the new Ducati and Aprilia aerodynamics allow the bike to bend more than the Honda style (Marquez hera) with the bike upright and the rider completely off the bike. In fact, an almost classic rider like Bagnaia is going very fast compared to more "acrobatic" riders.
Watch Pedro Acosta when he goes so low in corners to block off opponents but his tyre degradation is happens quick. Peco is world champ because he knows how to manage this.
I raced for years and the only time I would touch the rear brake was on exit of a corner to control wheel spin which wasn't very often. This was around the time traction control was becoming common so now there's not much use for a rear brake. Some of the pros say they use a little to rotate the bike but I think that's pretty rare. Under hard braking the rear tire has little to no weight on it.
Why not add a solid piece that fills the opening in the triangle the upper and lower leg make under braking/leg-dangling? An air brake that folds into the bike under power. But it would probably cut the whole leg off in a crash... nvm.
most of these techniqeus are referable to the sport of speedway. just take out the braking.... body positions and idea's about body weight transfering to balance the bike are pretty similar.
You will never be really quick in the corners if your rear brake is operated by your foot. Your position on the bike will be limited by your trail braking. Pretty much everyone is using a scooter brake.I am a brake systems designer in BSB. 😊
In my opinion, this is true motor racing. Sure, there is technology, but the athleticism and skill required eclipses any other form of motor racing. Sprint and midget racing is exciting, but they are enclosed in a safety cage. Oddly enough, when these guys come off the bike they do amazingly well for the most part. The Isle of Mann is altogether different because it isn’t a controlled circuit. Neither is Daytona because it was designed for automobiles. That concrete wall on the backstretch has damaged a few people. Also, some of the races where the machines are all the same are very exciting to watch because it is all skill and technique.
