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How MOTORSPORT Brakes Work | Brake Caliper Setup 

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Offset pistons, moobloc calipers, pad changes during pitstops, in this lesson we're diving into all this and more when we take a look at motorsport brake calipers and some of the key points of setting them up correctly.
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0:00 - Brake Caliper - The Finer Points
0:12 - Basic Braking Principle
0:47 - Piston Size Vs Force
1:06 - Changing/Upgrading Brakes
1:35 - Small Vs Large Pistons
1:43 - Force Vs Pedal Travel
2:07 - Offset Motorsport Brake Caliper
2:42 - Offset Piston Reason
3:10 - Leading Vs Back Edge
3:36 - Brake Pads
4:18 - Total Piston Area
4:29 - Caliper Piston
4:46 - Disc Diameter
4:58 - Mounting Brake Pads
5:45 - Importance of Caliper Placement
6:30 - Squaring Pistons
7:34 - Bleed Nipple Placement
8:27 - Construction and Heat Dissipation
9:10 - Cooling Holes
9:37 - Monobloc Caliper Explained
11:36 - Changing Pads During Pitstop
12:30 - Hope You Enjoyed!
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@hpa101
@hpa101 2 года назад
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@adamfreeman3000
@adamfreeman3000 2 года назад
Nice video, although as an engineer who’s spent the past 7 years designing and testing performance brake calipers I would add a small caveat to your assumption that monoblock calipers are always stiffer than 2-piece bolted brake calipers. At room temperature this may be true, but the tensile modulus of aluminium decreases by 10-20% at 150 degrees C whereas a high tensile steel bolt has negligible change in tensile modulus at 150 C. Calipers on race cars run between 150-200C, but since the bridge region of the brake caliper runs just a mere couple millimetres away from the brake disc, which itself might be 800C+, the spot temp measured at the caliper bridge is much higher than the average body temperature for the caliper of a whole, meaning bridge temps can see 200C+. Furthermore, it’s the bridge region of the caliper that’s always ‘lit up’ on FEA models thus indicating regions of highest stress. Combine all this together and the idea of a 2-piece caliper, with a couple high tensile bolts to reinforce the bridge region, starts to become the favourable route. As the saying goes, “steel is strong”. A designer for a brake caliper faces a cacophony of compromises. The worst one being when customers wish to run large diameter discs in small diameter wheels. Inevitably this means the thickness of the caliper bridge gets reduced below what would be considered optimal. At which point, employing a few high tensile bolts with a roll-thread becomes the only way to prevent excessive flex of this region of the caliper. So, whilst it’s true that a monoblock caliper CAN be designed to have a better stiffness-to-weight ratio than a 2-piece bolted caliper, the issue really is whether the clearance envelope will allow for a very chunky aluminium bridge region. Often for fast-road applications or club-racing, packaging in the wheel is very tight hence the more compact nature of a 2-piece caliper makes it more suitable, otherwise a monoblock caliper with a thin bridge (say less than 15mm cross section) would simply flex too much. Interestingly enough, there’s actually a patent out there for a monoblock caliper but that employs multiple steel rods threaded through the bridge section… Why go to the hassle of drilling, threading and inserting steel bars into a monoblock caliper if it didn’t strengthen the bridge region? And this is before we consider the effects of cyclic thermal aging of the aluminium bridge.
@notsponsored103
@notsponsored103 2 года назад
Deep
@bastiendouhard1569
@bastiendouhard1569 2 года назад
I would add that the tightening of the bolts itself acts as a preload reinforcing a 2-pieces caliper strength
@k20ee96
@k20ee96 2 года назад
Good info!
@sp88tips
@sp88tips 2 года назад
I read this long post. Well done bro
@test987665
@test987665 2 года назад
Excellent comment!
@timeatak5248
@timeatak5248 2 года назад
Good general overview. Alcon, Stoptech, AP racing, Willwood racing all use 2 piece calipers. Even in their Motorsports calipers. Bespoke brake cooling ducts and deflectors can make even mediocre brakes somewhat adequate. Cooling is everything for effective brakes.
@krispykruzer
@krispykruzer 2 года назад
Also to mention, that too much cooling has an adverse effect, some brakes require heat for the brake pad to effectively stop the vehicle....
@hieronymus..bosch8532
@hieronymus..bosch8532 2 года назад
Where was this 25 years ago when I did my first 4 wheel disk conversion 😉 It's crazy how much easier it is now to find 4 & 6 piston callipers in the wreckers now.
@mixxeerr
@mixxeerr 6 месяцев назад
Such a great video… I’ve now signed up at HPA!
@f1hotrod527
@f1hotrod527 2 года назад
To calculate the force from the pistons, you would only add the area of the pistons on one side of the caliper. Opposing pistons on the caliper is just a reaction force of the pistons on the other side.
@davidciesielski8251
@davidciesielski8251 Год назад
Thanks
@drewdavis239
@drewdavis239 2 года назад
Could you talk about smaller lines vs. Larger lines and how the master and caliper piston size matter, however line size doesnt effect pedal?
@jeffreydurham5342
@jeffreydurham5342 2 года назад
Drew, liquid is not compressible, line size doesn't matter
@serenahansen2394
@serenahansen2394 Год назад
It doesn't matter how wide the line is because the same volume will be displaced by the master cylinder and pushed into the brake caliper, giving you the same amount of piston travel and therefore braking force. A larger master cylinder diameter will displace a greater volume of fluid, and likewise caliper piston size affects the piston travel due to the volume of fluid they can take in, but the volume of fluid displaced is not related to the line diameter as it is merely a vessel through which the working fluid is being transported.
@Hamring
@Hamring 7 месяцев назад
@@serenahansen2394 What about overall system compliance? My intuition tells me bigger line diameter could be more compliant. Differences here might be miniscule if keeping diameter differences within reason, but i'm just curious about the principle in this case.
@massimilianozeni1848
@massimilianozeni1848 Год назад
nice video. I'd like to understand what happens to the brake pedal travel when you go up with both the disk diameter (say 30mm extra) and also the piston area (even though only slightly). Would you have to push more on the brake pedal with a biting point closer to the car floor (which I wouldn't like, would make heel and toe more complicated) or less? My understanding is that bigger disk diameter equal to more brake force given the same pressure on the pedal while bigger piston area would imply that the biting point of the brake pedal would be lower (closer to the floor of the car); is this what longer pedal travel (more brake fluid to be displaced) mean? Would these two factor (disk diameter and slightly bigger piston area) kinda compensate each other?
@foodonfilm5935
@foodonfilm5935 2 года назад
Any insight or information as to the mounting of calipers in front of or behind the hub? That's always something I've wondered if it makes any difference or is only a packaging/cooling decision
@stephendean-motec2072
@stephendean-motec2072 2 года назад
Usually a packaging issue, along with a weight distribution question. The location of the steering arm and tie rods can have a large influence on the location of the caliper as well.
@TheGCJourney
@TheGCJourney 2 года назад
Great video! I see the bleed nipples are on the side of the trailing pistons. If I understood your explanation correctly, shouldn't they be on the side of the leading pistons?
@taznz1
@taznz1 2 года назад
It depends if the caliper is mounted in front of, or behind the wheel hub relative to the front of the car, as the direction of the rotor relative to caliper effectively reverses depending where the caliper is mounted. If the caliper is mounted in front of the wheel hub, the caliper should be mounted so the leading pistons are above the trailing pistons, thus the bleed nipples would be mounted on the leading piston side of the caliper. If the caliper is mounter behind the wheel hub, the caliper should be mounted so the leading pistons are below the trailing pistons, thus the bleed nipples would be mounted on the trailing piston side of the caliper.
@TheGCJourney
@TheGCJourney 2 года назад
@@taznz1 Ahh, got it! Thanks again!
@CyberMamont
@CyberMamont 6 месяцев назад
why are there no protective anthers on sports calipers?
@sp88tips
@sp88tips 2 года назад
Hey HPA. I would like to ask. I've upgraded my brake calipers at the front. From a 1 piston to 4 pot brembo on upgraded discs same size. The brakes are way sharper at low speed. But I think there worse at high speed. I thing the abs is causing the problem. Am I right?
@serenahansen2394
@serenahansen2394 Год назад
Does the brake balance feel the same as it did before, front to rear? What about pedal travel? One of the interesting things about piston sizes is that as the area increases you get more force but also more pedal travel, and vice versa. If the combined piston area of the new caliper is smaller than the original then it will bite sooner so feel sharper on gentle braking, but won't be as effective when you put more force on the pedal. For reference, the area is only calculated for one combined side of the fixed caliper when comparing with the sliding caliper, as the sliding caliper piston has to travel twice as far for the same braking force.
@sp88tips
@sp88tips Год назад
@@serenahansen2394 thanks for your great answer
@anthonyburgos8034
@anthonyburgos8034 2 года назад
Can I upgrade my calipers and break pads and leave the same factory disc?
@hpa101
@hpa101 2 года назад
You can, there are bolt on kits which will replace your stock calipers and allow you to retails your factory disc/s for many vehicles out there. You don't need aftermarket rotors to run aftermarket pads though and they are the cheapest and easiest place to start - Taz.
@TheSol115
@TheSol115 2 года назад
👏👏👏
@PeakPerformanceReviews
@PeakPerformanceReviews 2 года назад
Cool vid and nicely explained. I have to say I’ve never heard anyone use the term retard though for slowing a car 🤣 I totally get it’s base meaning but that’s a very different I will say. More so as I’d normally associate that with a tuning terminology.
@dustinadams4252
@dustinadams4252 2 года назад
Why do manufacturers use multiple round pistons rather than one oblong piston? You could get the same piston surface area in a smaller caliper body. Seem like it should be lighter as well right?
@lockjawjak
@lockjawjak 2 года назад
I can only assume it is because of the mugh higher machining difficulty of making a non round hole and also a longer piston will flex more than two round ones of the same area so you gain no benefit from non round pistons
@dustinadams4252
@dustinadams4252 2 года назад
@@lockjawjak yeah I figured the manufacturing process would be hard. I’ve worked in machine shops for a few years and making the piston wouldn’t really be difficult just more costly than a round one. And as far as the piston flexing or moving you could just add gussets or webbing on the back side. Probably just comes down to overall cost of a round vs odd shape part.
@davidb6576
@davidb6576 2 года назад
@@dustinadams4252 You also need to think of the "tipping/rocking" loads on the piston. As mentioned in the video, the tendency for the pistons to tip in the bore can lead to jamming and excess wear, both very bad for a racing caliper. An oblong piston would be much harder to control and stop the rocking compared to round pistons. And as a machinist who's designed and made his own performance calipers, getting the sealing surfaces right would be much trickier than traditional cylindrical pistons.
@kevinpinheiro2485
@kevinpinheiro2485 2 года назад
What will happen if you keep the same caliper but change the master cylinder to one with a bigger piston diameter?
@jeffreydurham5342
@jeffreydurham5342 2 года назад
Less pedal travel, less pressure on the pistons for the same pressure on the pedal. Make sense?
@kevinpinheiro2485
@kevinpinheiro2485 2 года назад
@@jeffreydurham5342 so that'll make my braking slower right ? At the cost of less pedal travel.
@bernardwarr4187
@bernardwarr4187 2 года назад
@@kevinpinheiro2485 you will need more brake pedal pressure to provide the same braking
@jeffreydurham5342
@jeffreydurham5342 2 года назад
@@kevinpinheiro2485 I don't know what you mean by slower.
@kevinpinheiro2485
@kevinpinheiro2485 2 года назад
@@jeffreydurham5342 like it'll take more time to stop the vehicle compared to before
@midnighteightsix6919
@midnighteightsix6919 2 года назад
Those Endless brakes are just pure porn
@mbalunovic
@mbalunovic 2 года назад
Please correct the information you provide. Clamping force is not equal to the total area of all pistons! Only one side area*pressure will give you the clamping force. The other side is just opposing this same force to prevent bending of the rotor with solid mounted calipers. A floating caliper with same area of pistons on one side and no pistons on the other will have SAME clamping force. Also similar volume will be needed as if its simetric caliper with twice the area..
@hpa101
@hpa101 2 года назад
Thanks for the comment. There’s a bit to unpack here, but the information is not incorrect. What you’re saying is correct for a floating vs opposed caliper total area. I don’t think I’ve said anything in here that contradicts that. The point I’m trying to get across is that you can have the same clamping force by having 1 big piston or 2 smaller ones that equal the same total area. When it comes to actually calculating the whole thing out, for sure what you’re saying is important to understand, but in the context of this video where we’re just talking high level concepts, that’s a detail I haven’t gone into. So in summary, you are right, but the video is also right given its context - Tim.
@mbalunovic
@mbalunovic 2 года назад
@@hpa101 the problem is you guys are a reference pretty much for everyone now. Also most of people getting in to motorsport start from a single piston oem one. Now there a whole problem as some cars have much stronger clamping force with that single piston than a standard brembo 4 piston caliper. One would assume otherwise if they do calculation the way you described in the video. Same would apply for piston bias balance, or break pedal travel. Single side are is what is important on all of the calculations (clamping force, pedal travel, break bias etc). I know Motorsport became pretty much monoblokk calipers only or at least solid mounted, but the info still needs to be correct imho. Im not saying the whole video is incorrect, just that little part needs clarification. Im following you guys and you do great work (im also a gold member).
@thesilentwarrior6769
@thesilentwarrior6769 2 года назад
Man with that middle part remove you won't even feel the dam difference .
@hpa101
@hpa101 2 года назад
You might not but you'd be surprised at the skill and feel of a professional driver, plus compliance causes other issues - Taz
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