How Much Better Have Pro Bikes Got In 10 Years?

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Pro bikes have come a long way! The Pinarello Dogma is one of the most iconic bikes within the pro peloton, but how far has it come? Ollie got his hands on Bradley Wiggins's old pro bikes and is here to guide us through the ins and outs of these modern legends.
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00:54 Dogma 2
05:47 Dogma F8
09:36 Dogma F
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@gcn Год назад

Which version on the Pinarello would you choose? 🤔

@aodhanrichards2066 Год назад

Racing take the lightest with some aero improvements and training take heaviest

@tollph3314 Год назад

@aliensporebomb Год назад

F8 purely for historical reasons and the colourway is perfect. Ollie seemed to enjoy it too. If my "unreasonably rich friends" were footing the bill, the F would be nice.

@filipdenijs1997 Год назад

Latest Dogma F if you are paying

@charliecook6909 Год назад

Did you film this is Christmas common?

@ericl2339 Год назад

Still have my Dogma 65.1 from 2014. Love it ❤

@ericsaari2901 Год назад

F8 without disc brakes is the choice from me. Narrower bars and modern components on that would make it even better than the F, imho. Manufacturers just shooting themselves in the foot these days, when you cannot choose a rim brake option.

@luckya824 Месяц назад

May I ask you why?

@Vercingetorix45 16 дней назад

@@luckya824 I suppose it's because rim brakes are lighter, and while disc brakes certainly look cool and perform great not everybody is into pushing their downhill rides like a madman.

@mogglie Год назад

I’ve got a 65.1 black on black dogma. From 2013. All built with seam red 10 speed. And some Zipp 404.

@JonCannings Год назад

Ollie, never believe what you get told! There were lots more than four of those Prologo "mod" saddles made. I have one, and I can tell you where another is 😉. As for the wheels, I can tell you who Brad got the Zipps from too 😊 The 2012 bike is a beauty IMO.

@gcn Год назад

What an amateur 😉

@jani724 Год назад

There he is! Hopefully we see you back in the tech shop one day

@byrondixon4648 Год назад

I'd love an appearance from 'my grubby little hands again' 😁

@JonCannings Год назад

@@gcn nah, it's easy to imagine that such a saddle would be made in very limited numbers. Ollie did a fantastic job presenting this video. But, I do feel his saddle is about 2-3mm too high

@ericl2339 Год назад

23mm tyres only?! I still have my dogma 65.1 and it could run 25mm tyres no problem at all!

@levbobrov1398 Год назад

It is impressive how long Ollie can talk about the differences of how the bikes feel, while I am sure the only thing I would be able to say is 🤷‍♂️

@gcn Год назад

Hahahaha he really knows what he's talking about. You've got to be careful not to set him off

@JSC131 Год назад

The Dogma F8 a pure beauty great content ollie and had the privilege of seeing those rim brake bikes at the London Olympics and TDF.

@gcn Год назад

The golden year! ⭐️

@luigipollaste6537 Год назад

Would be really interesting to see an f8 modified with ultra modern components to see how much you can get it under 6.8 kg

@evertonyoung4031 Год назад

I think because he only had access to Bradley Wiggins bikes he could only review those two but I think the F10 has got more possibilities and also with a few German lightweight component you could get an absolute light bike.

@jaskepinski1096 Год назад

propably sub 5kg

@yutehube4468 Год назад

@@jaskepinski1096 Are you being serious? Do you think that is possible?

@timotius Год назад

Yes, with aero narrow handle bar will be nice!

@TakanashiRikka22 Год назад

@@yutehube4468 i mean with a drill anything is possible

@gasken2182 Год назад

I’ve been lucky enough to own a dogma 60.1, 65.1 and an F8. The F8 on a dry day (I only took it out in the dry - was too afraid to trash the wheels), it’s the best bike I’ve owned. I kinda feel it’s better than my tarmac Sl7.

@gcn Год назад

The F8 is a great bike! Do you still have it? 👀

@rr94600choisy 10 месяцев назад

Le meilleur vélo c était le Cannondale super six

@Ciclista-rz2zl 4 месяца назад

can you describe the characteristics of the dogma 60.1/65.2 😊

@saracen888 Год назад

Where’s the wind tunnel test?

@simonsepic Год назад

1 minute in and I'm already thinking a certain Australian youtuber that is typical quite vocal on his views of gcn might actually enjoy this one lmao

@gcn Год назад

I'm sure we'll find out 😉

@leonsutton299 Год назад

Yes my bro Mr DR 👊👊

@simonsepic Год назад

@@leonsutton299 pmsl see didn't have ti say it

@outtrigger Год назад

who are you talking about?

@simonsepic Год назад

@@outtrigger Mr dr

@adamlucarelli7933 Год назад

These are great...fantastic comparison vid!

@cyclonutterd7075 Год назад

My F8 is phenomenal, I don't like disc brakes at all, so it would be another F8 for me 👍

@terbennett Год назад

Yeah. I sold my 2000 Super Six Evo HM Dura Ace last year to do a Dura Ace rim brake bike build. Nothing wrong with disc brakes. They work for many, but I living here in Southern California, prefer rim brakes.. I love the feel of them when braking and the frame feels livelier.

@gcn Год назад

It's definitely an amazing bike!

@veganpotterthevegan 11 месяцев назад

It's a great bike but how much time do you have riding comparable descents with disc brakes? They're simply better across the board with braking, and wet weather just makes that gap larger

@cyclonutterd7075 11 месяцев назад

@@veganpotterthevegan, noisy, scraping, look rubbish, poor areo, too powerful for such a small patch of rubber on the road, just look at all of the accidents in the pro races.

@oliverbridgewood3929 Год назад

Hey everyone. The wind tunnel comparison is coming out, hopefully this weekend on GCN Tech

@fastasasloth Год назад

Has pinarello blocked the wind tunnel vid? ;)

@abosworth Год назад

Those are some gorgeous bikes! What a great privilege you've had, getting to ride such cool bikes.

@gcn Год назад

It was a fun day in the office 👀

@akimballa5581 Год назад

I love my F8 and my F10. They roll like on rails both and always seem to push you to go faster. Quite unique feel I would say. The F10 is a bit faster and that bit less harsh. Phenomenal how advanced the F8 was back in 2015.

@Isaacaijazebf2j 2 месяца назад

F8 came back in 2014

@terbennett Год назад

It's funny you mentioned the Dura Ace Di2 on the 2012 model. Back then SRAM's marketing was trashing electronic shifting, telling us that mechanical shifting was for the true cyclist. I had a 2011 Felt F1 with Dura Ace Di2. The only issue I had was the stress of thinking if something failed, I was in trouble on longer rides. The system was trouble-free.

@automotive474 Год назад

Fine but the mechanical system is trouble free too. Minus the stress...?

@terbennett Год назад

@@automotive474 I agree. I like Di2, but have been moving back to mechanical while I still can. Plus, it makes riding more enjoyable when you're riding long distances. The fear of something failing sticks with you if you've ever had a battery go bad or a component malfunction. Mechanical eliminates that stress, as you mentioned.

@veganpotterthevegan 11 месяцев назад

@@terbennettelectronic shifting failures are nearly always due to not charging. The rare instances of equipment failure are probably no more common than a broken shifter cable.

@stevem3308 11 месяцев назад

Currently riding a 2014 S-Works Tarmac SL4 with the final iteration of Dura-Ace R9100 mechanical and just replaced the Dura-Ace C24 wheels with the same. It's light, fast and far more capable than I will ever make use of. 26C tires are nice and while I can "squeeze" a 28C in the front, the frame is stuck at 26C. SoCal dry weather is where I ride so discs are not necessarily and Di2 will not make me any faster!

@Arvind_R Год назад

This is my new favorite RU-vid channel.

@BioramaDE Год назад

F8 - It is a milestone in bike frame evolution...

@xanovsky Год назад

Just yesterday I was watching Si´s review of Wiggins' Black and Gold F8. What a beauty. Still a dream bike

@gcn Год назад

An icon! You should check out our film we made on Pinarello on GCN+ 👉 gcn.eu/pinarellostory

@jamesbull9879 Год назад

Would be interesting to stack up the f10 and 12 too. I still think the 10 is my favourite ❤️

@getshrekt9023 Год назад

I actually have that same model and colour of 2012 bike, except it’s the pinarello Paris as my bike now haha. Picked it up off eBay and it still runs nice

@elliottso6949 Год назад

really nice to see gcn has finally started using electric bikes to film, so much more quiet 😁😁

@inxlee Год назад

Are you being sarcastic? Haha I could hear the annoying humming motor compared to previously I didn’t notice anything!

@veryboringname. Год назад

@@inxlee Have a listen to some of their older videos, the motorcycle they used to use was really loud if they were filming from closer up.

@zuritione Год назад

Pinarello F8 with an integrated aero handlebar. The appearance and the performance of rim brakes bikes with aero details are the best ones.

@jascollinscork Год назад

Cracking trio of bikes! Definitely pick the F8 to cycle for the rest of my life 😍 AND a Pity you forgot the shadow stand for the still clips of them though 🤷🏼‍♂️ 😂

@ThrowmeAFrigginbone Год назад

Nice to see those Speedplay/Wahoo pedals. Don't know that I could go back. I'm still riding a 1st gen Di2, yeah that battery is not pleasant to look at but it works.

@johnnyk6906 Год назад

only I notice in previous generations is the refinement. new design/setup becomes more refined in speed, comfort, and overall reliability. seems like with each new gen the price goes up by 15-20%? not sure how many casual riders like myself will folk out $15k? I do have to admit Pinarello is absolutely a beauty.

@kristofferhavskov Год назад

I have a Dogma F8 to this day. Works like a charm!

@gcn Год назад

Nice!

@anttitapio4145 Год назад

Now....Make a video "How much easier to service have pro bikes got in 10 years" to tech channel.

@lesley9888 Год назад

awesome video

@LeanDeanFitnessChannel Год назад

F8 all day, beautiful bike, thumbs up for rim brakes too. 👌🏽

@DelPi1974 6 месяцев назад

My Dogma F10 has a threaded BB, the speed sniffer before it was cool, and it is an aero-lightweight-one-bike-to-rule-them-all-bike before it was cool too. :)

@tommyfreckmann6857 6 месяцев назад

I have an F10, which is my favorite race bike of all time. And I totally agree about the speed sniffer, look identical. The F10 was ahead of it's time, one of the first to have the widely spaced(bowed) fork, recessed downtube to pull the bottle closer to frame, aero tab trailing edge off of the seatpost, and the flaps on the front drop outs. Most modern aero bikes are adapting these components.

@mathewrose2951 Год назад

I am on the last rim brake version of the Bianchi Oltre right now. I'd love the current Dogma F as my next bike, but I'm not really about the price tag. I'll get one in about 6 years once my Oltre is 8 years old, and then I won't feel guilty about what I paid.

@jon4739 Год назад

Have a Dogma K8 not F and I just love it. It is my go to for any ride over 40 miles IMO

@rickcoyne7845 9 месяцев назад

I would Choose the F-8. Another great Video. Thank you.

@richcrompton6891 Год назад

F8 for me every weight advantage is a bonus!

@dannfong9471 Год назад

Just on my personal taste and preference, I'd go with the F. I am no racer but love doing long rides and I think that's a beautiful bike to take pictures of in the countryside.

@pablosolano3553 Год назад

F8/F10 the way to go. It is insane that now pro’s bikes have all the add weight that we would avoid back in the days.

@gcn Год назад

Do you think the aero advantage is enough to warrant the extra weight?

@pablosolano3553 Год назад

There are aero advantages but the gains that you may draw from that will depend on one big variable, the cyclist. Lets talk SL7, it will never be the same having a fit Lulu on a SL7 frame compared to a big size Neils Politt. Or think of the Giant TCR, it is a cable exposed, the course of aero, and still edge others aero frame in the line. There are some fit guys, well fitted on their bikes who will benefit, others not.

@raykleiner3151 3 месяца назад

I used to race a Pinarello a long time ago, and it was one of the most uncomfortable road bikes to ride back then. These tests are great for the pro riders who don't even buy their bikes, they ride whatever is given to the team, so it really is marketing whichever way you look at it. The typical person that buys the DOGMA F in my LBS is over 50, runs a small business and rides at the weekends to show his bike off. It is back in the workshop every other week for adjustments! I just ride.

@Djoki1 Год назад

Some rim brake bikes just look absolutely beautiful.

@gcn Год назад

You can't beat that classic look 😎

@Blah-blah-sure 11 месяцев назад

Bikes today have gotten too expensive. And just about all bikes look the same.

@veganpotterthevegan 11 месяцев назад

@@Blah-blah-surebikes have largely gone up less than inflation. But unlike our bananas and potatoes, bikes are significantly better than they were 10yrs ago. My 2006 Seven was $12000. My new Domane is better in every way outside of impact resistance and it cost me $5200. That Seven would be $14000 today. Loved that bike and I put over 200k miles on it. But it's on lifetime trainer duty now.

@Blah-blah-sure 11 месяцев назад

@@veganpotterthevegan I partly agree. As I have a 2010 Cannondale CAAD 10. And it works like a champ. With minimal repairs

@veganpotterthevegan 11 месяцев назад

@Blah-blah-sure I've had everything from a CAAD 6 to a CAAD 12. I've had a lot of bikes to compare them to and they're really only great for what they are as aluminum bikes. Solid for crits and road riding IF you have smooth roads.

@Mr229357 Год назад

The Dogma 2 is super nice, so I pick that bike 😊👍🏻👍🏻

@danielgullefer9376 Год назад

That f8 is by far the best and nicest looking bike in this video

@tszegvary 10 месяцев назад

I bought an F8 in 2015 and still ride it. Timeless bike….still love it. Rim breaks? Yea, still also look best!!

@Acura1NSX Год назад

I've owned the Pinarello F8 and the K8s and loved them both. The speed, control and road feel is unmatched. I prefer the K8s because of the effective rear suspension it incorporates. No real weight penalty and my lower back over long rides really appreciates the smoother ride I experience. Both of these bikes climb so well and that's the biggest plus for me as a natural climber. By the way, I do run 700x28 tubeless which is so much better than the tubulars and clinchers I used to ride.... Smoother and faster!

@ethangodridge6833 Год назад

As a Pinarello fan, I really enjoyed this. Thanks Dan and GCN.

@gcn Год назад

Then you'll love the film we made on Pinarello! Check it out on GCN+ 👉 gcn.eu/pinarellostory

@lemonshire1 Год назад

You mean Oli?

@ethangodridge6833 Год назад

@@gcn Seen & enjoyed it.

@ethangodridge6833 Год назад

@@lemonshire1 Dan who provided the Pinarello bikes.

@lemonshire1 Год назад

@@ethangodridge6833 Oh, my bad

@AdiGaskell Год назад

Earlier this week: GCN asks has bike marketing gone too far. Today: GCN puts out yet another video promoting crazily expensive bikes

@__-bk6mm Год назад

They weren’t promoting they were comparing retro bikes there’s a big difference.

@stevecooper7038 Год назад

@@__-bk6mm Same effect.

@AdiGaskell Год назад

@@__-bk6mm it's all part of the narrative though. Expensive bikes are way better than affordable bikes, or in this case, new expensive bikes are way better than older expensive bikes. It's all pushing people to spend more and more money.

@sean9820 Год назад

Imagine if Top Gear just endlessly promoted 10 year old cars and resisted any changes in the industry? It's simply not realistic. This is a bike review channel and they make a living covering the latest and greatest. Yes there is a lot of BS in the industry, but don't hate the player (gcn), hate the game. Sincerely, a rim brake rider.

@AdiGaskell Год назад

@@sean9820 it creates an incredibly elitist vibe about the sport though, which the likes of TGH have complained about because working class people have no hope

@username8644 11 месяцев назад

That 2012 bike is definitely the one I would want the most for myself.

@LawrenceSmith91 Год назад

I would probably say the F8. I love rim brakes myself, not a huge fan of disc. Equally though, in terms of aesthetics, I would probably choose the Dogma 2. I've had a few Dogma's over the years and I love the colour scheme.

@Sansuiification Год назад

Just sold Luke Rowe´s Pinarello Graal TT bike from 2012

@NunoJoel Год назад

Dogma 2! What a Beauty!!

@johnnydallas9212 Год назад

2012 Pinarello Dogma 2 😎🤙

@twanvanvalkengoed642 Год назад

Love you 2 😂

@d-rdrd8069 Год назад

2012 is six years newer than, what I call, my "fast bike". Watching this makes me realise just how much I need a new ride!

@someinconsequentialusernam7799 Год назад

Not me. I’m still setting PRs on a 2011 Fuji Cross 3.0. Admittedly, I changed a few of the components, but the drive train is Sora and Deore. And it works as slick as I could hope. Newer doesn’t mean better or faster, if you keep your stuff in tune.

@10ktube Год назад

Where's durianrider, he'll set you straight about this.....

@tollph3314 Год назад

Would take F8 if i could over any modern bike just looks amazing,very light,just great racing bike all around

@stephenbrgoodall Год назад

I went from a 2012 FP due to and Dogma F, bit more of a jump than the Dogma 2 to the Dogma F is. That said the FP Due is upgraded with a set 50mm tubeless wheels and a aero cockpit

@brianrainey2739 Год назад

If I had to ride a dogma I would take the 2012. Rim brakes, wider handlebar, adjustable stem/bar position, cables I can service. I dont think wider bars were “fashion” in 2012, it was what riders wanted because they were comfortable using them. There were lots of narrow choices 10 years ago but they didnt want them.

@gcn Год назад

You may be right! Riders are always having to compromise with equipment

@yuritarded621 Год назад

@@gcn specially now riders compromise even the whole Giro for sponsors imagine if Geraint Thomas was given a rim brake Pinarello F on that stage you don't even need to brake on that stage you just need to climb disc brake just doesn't make sense.

@grahamaustin9085 Год назад

My 1978 Falcon had 38cm bars and I still use that width. I've tried 42cm but they feel too wide.

@yuritarded621 Год назад

@@grahamaustin9085 I think 40cm on the tops is the sweet spot with 42cm flare on the drops and the shifters turned in

@HkFinn83 11 месяцев назад

100% agree. Another advantage from the 2012 is the more functional handlebars. Not just the width but they had more hand positions. Seems all of today’s bikes have those hideous ‘aero’ bars you can’t actually grip.

@askmeaboutmattweiner Год назад

Silver dura ace is *chef's kiss*

@christophermee5214 Год назад

The one with rim brakes. Much better 😊

@revstar3165 Год назад

Very nice video…i also ride a size 56 frame😂

@user-hk3kz9wk5m Месяц назад

I have an F8 which is awesome

@evertonyoung4031 Год назад

Great that you're doing a bit about the old pinarello bikes,pinarello think two can take a 25 tire comfortably, but you kept insisting on it can only take up to 23, also the best of those bikes is definitely the F10, And then with the upgrade to the f12 with the double mount break's, but I think the F10 is probably better just for pure riding. experience.

@veganpotterthevegan 11 месяцев назад

I've definitely fit 25s on that frame without issue for customers. Even some 28s fit

@JwallzMTB Год назад

i really like riding size 26 tires

@jason200912 Год назад

Only difference in the frames is that now they added the tt tail extension to guide wind better and filled in more of the frame than they did in the past.

@hayes6262 Год назад

Nice

@lukewalker1051 Год назад

F8 without disc brakes for me which is largely chosen in the comments by others. Light is right, aero enough, no buried cables nor integrated cockpit if I decide to change stem length by 10mm. In desperation to carve out continuous marketing niches to sell more bikes, the bike industry has shot itself in the foot as many of us with technical sensibility have keep our old carbon bikes which are uber light, compliant, mechanical shifting and 1/3 the cost. Bike maintenance is much easier on the old bikes. All about profit for the bike industry. Btw, the car industry is the same. Hybrid technology which fails like clockwork 'out of warranty', 100 computers 2.5 x's the part complexity...all for profit when consumers are much better off with a single power plant. Simple from a reliability cost aka failure standpoint is always better. Math and physics. In effect, the public is being lied to, innovation which is change without value added for profit. Started in the bike industry 10 years ago with press fit. Most believe carbon was a technical advancement. Cheers Ollie. Thanks for the comparison. Will head to the tech channel and learn there is a 5 watt drag saving of the latest Pinarello at 50 kph which can be offset with a sunglasses change. 😉

@cjohnson3836 Год назад

[In desperation to carve out continuous marketing niches to sell more bikes] Yawn...do any of you have a single original thought?

@maurodebaets Год назад

Might actually be more than 5 watts, and it will absolutely be more than the 700g extra, but I'm curious to see.. f8 is definitely easier to maintain that's sure.

@lukewalker1051 Год назад

@@cjohnson3836 I am the creator of technology. I know better than you how the game is played.

@ninolendt3082 Год назад

@@lukewalker1051 Wow you sound sooo enlightened. Us mere plebs can't comprehend your level of though given that you are the creator of technology. Lmfao

@patrickblanton6650 Год назад

Ah yes, technology just stands still and it's all a marketing conspiracy. Old man yells at a cloud and tells you how it was better back in his day....

@guitarj3570 Год назад

I would take whichever Dogma I could get!

@rivercloud33 Год назад

Where is Duran Rider when you need him! If you know you know

@neoneherefrom5836 Год назад

Edgy

@daniboi4067 Год назад

@@neoneherefrom5836 🤖

@nmanfield Год назад

Id probably want to go F8, but with a bit of suspension on the back, more flexible chain stays, and direct mount rear brakes...

@igorangelkoski3423 Год назад

great review but that art dogma 2 have space for 25c with no worries 🚴

@gokaygs Год назад

Nice vid but Ollie what are you doing with that gearing at 14:10 mate??

@TheHandThatBites Год назад

Really enjoyed the Team Sky era.

@gcn Год назад

It was good wasn't it! Who was your favourite rider from that time?

@TheHandThatBites Год назад

@@gcn Mr Controversial himself Wiggo.

@marks3620 Год назад

Froome.

@barryliu3473 Год назад

Welp the bike that got me into cycling is a 08 schwinn peloton pro. It has been the best bike that I have ever owned. Upgrading from a full alu hybrid (which I have ridden for 4 years) to a full carbon road bike is something that is truly amazing and sadly can only be experienced once in life.

@Lucash090688 Год назад

I went from alu fixie to a Ridley helium 2012 isp. I could not believe the differnece….looking at getting a more modern team issue bike….shame about the €£€£€£

@SuperTaylor68 Год назад

I’ve got F10 on rim.. love it

@gcn Год назад

Nice!

@jonno209 Год назад

Something purer and more elegant about the older bikes.

@fruitcakepablohoney Год назад

I still have my DogmaThink2 it’s just as good as the F. And the best part is … it’s rim brakes . So beautiful

@gcn Год назад

Nice! Have you uploaded any photos of your steed onto the GCN app??

@albertmills9365 Год назад

How wide are the handlebars?

@paulhiggins9492 Год назад

As a tour team mechanic for a long time, I won’t mention the name, from Armstrong to today, most riders use 23mm tyres with latex tubes, forced onto discs, no one is happy, how the hell is a 28mm Tyres as fast as a 23mm, basic stuff, people please don’t believe the bull being marketed, this will upset people but hey it’s fact sorry. Ride safe, great upload ol…..

@888julianman Год назад

But if marketing departments say it , and GCN agree, then it has to be true -right??? 😀😀

@jasonmills6629 Год назад

Good gcn have started to watch durianrider videos and realised how good rim brake bikes are instead of being caught up in marketing crap of overpriced disc brake bikes....

@yutehube4468 Год назад

The UCI never cease to amaze. I wouldn't be surprised if they started making the cycle teams bolt squares of carbon sheeting to the head tubes because "the drag isn't enough". You know it's in the post!

@truantray 11 месяцев назад

Bike designs contribute a neglible amount to aero efficiency, the rider position is far more significant. People just WISH cycling was pay to win.

@username8644 11 месяцев назад

@truantray Rider position, bike fitment, and I would argue wheels as well. Edit: not that you need 4k usd wheels, but an upgrade over the stock wheels bikes come with, especially budget bikes, makes a huge difference.

@TuRo-Maserati Год назад

The smoothest ride is because the 1/3 dropped stays add 3mm of suspension travel and of course the higher profile tyres give a mm or two also. The integration cockpit will also give 0.5-1mm over a two piece MTB bars and stem. None of the 3 - A 2006 Prince the original full carbon wavy fork and wavy stay professional bike for me a la Alessandro's team bike that year.

@brentlewis4570 Год назад

So, um, no tech video? Still can't find it.

@kaupo80 Год назад

Olly calls himself a scientist but compares apples (weight of F8 without pedals) with oranges (Dogma F with pedals). Next time, add bottles as well :)

@rangersmith4652 Год назад

Every person's opinion on "better" is different. Today's bikes are certainly different from those in the pro tour 10-15 years ago, but I don't consider them better. They're heavier, more complex, harder to keep working properly, and more fragile. And to boot, they're a lot more expensive. Aside from being more "aero" (I don't care for that term), it's frankly hard to see how they're better.

@gcn Год назад

Which would be your favourite bike back from a decade ago? Would it be the Pinarello?

@rangersmith4652 Год назад

@@gcn Nothing against Pinarello, but if I were "shopping" for a bike from 10--15 years ago, I'd look for a SuperSix Evo.

@nathanielrosa1 Год назад

I agree

@roadfert Год назад

I just recently upgraded from my 2013 Orbea Orca with Ultegra to a 2023 Orca with Di2 and disc brakes. I’ve been riding since 1986 so I’ve seen every major upgrade of the last 40 years including clipless pedals, STI shifting, Carbon Wheels etcetera. If anyone is going to be romantic about the old technology it’s me but I have to say the new bikes imo are better. My new Orca carries momentum so much better than my 2013 despite being heavier and disc brakes (the caveat here is if your running carbon rims) are a God send, they’re basically a fix to a problem I didn’t know I had which is that carbon brake pads on calipers are horrible. Yes they’re more expensive and much harder to work on (it’s really the brakes here because Di2 can be tuned in the app) but let’s be honest, new cars are more complicated and expensive but they’re more reliable, comfortable and provide an overall better day to day driving experience.

@automotive474 Год назад

More expensive OK More complicated OK You will probably not be able to fix it yourself or maintain it OK But More reliable More comfortable Better everyday drive experience You are basically saying, I'd rather pay more of the fruits of my labor over and over in order to be more comfy. More power to you. That's what people don't understand when it comes to bikes or classic cars. The compromise is absolutely individual, so there is no right or wrong, however don't be surprised if rude Australian cyclists talk poorly of your choices on you tube 😅

@universe-juice 11 месяцев назад

F12, looks bad ass!

@fwod1867 Год назад

F8 and a ride with Froomie 😊

@myNamezMe Год назад

The geometry of bikes tends to change over the years, which might make one bike faster than another. My first road bike is a lot slower than my second one. The choice of my second bike was based on an independent bikefit.

@DaM.1 Год назад

Where is the video on the GCN tech?

@niclasoe 10 месяцев назад

I own the same frame (other colorway) as the 2012 model with full dura ace (Mechanical) gears and everything. The feel and aesthetic of the frame is incredible A bike shop owner offered me 200 pounds (in local currency) for the bikes when I asked for the price if I changed to Carbon wheels due to the price. Have bikes really gotten that much better in 10 years? He said it was due to brakes and electronic gearing. Anyway to answer the question: I like the aesthetic of the older versions much more, but I get why the industry is going in a more aerodynamic way. I would choose the 2012 version, but with updated wheels and gearing

@norsangkelsang7939 Год назад

had all these bikes with DA. And they kept improving... I passed on the latest electronic only F model.

@danemery8312 Год назад

Seriously, where's the wind tunnel tech video as referenced?

@keithskelton2287 10 месяцев назад

I saw Brad doc at Cambridge yesterday He said he could not afford a current bike 😂😂😂🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿✌🏽

@jamesmckenzie3532 Год назад

The first generation Di2 had one great advantage: Battery swapping. The battery could and was swapped on many a long ride!

@truantray 11 месяцев назад

Cables can get swapped once a season.

@jamesmckenzie3532 11 месяцев назад

@truantray more often if you rude more. However, I've replaced more than my fair share of cables including those that snapped or just plain pulled out of the barrels molded around them at the shifter/brake end.